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I'm using a 1gb sd card with dwangs superD and it is partitioned, but.....?

This is probably a dumb question. Do I need to do anything different to enable it to utilize the sd card to run apps off of it or is it built in? I read that cyanogen's rom was built in like that. I keep downloading apps and I don't want to run out of memory on the phone. Do I need to do anything to also use the sd card as ram?

I am using SuperD and jus partation your SD card and should all go well

Yeah it is working fine.
ilostchild said:
I am using SuperD and jus partation your SD card and should all go well
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I was just wondering if I need to do something different or is it automatically using the sd card as ram and runing apps off of it.

jeffrimerman said:
I was just wondering if I need to do something different or is it automatically using the sd card as ram and runing apps off of it.
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What do you mean by "something different" Different from what? In order for CM to automatically do apps2SD you need to have an EXT partition as your second partition. This can be an EXT2, EXT3 or EXT4 type partition and can be easily created by using the latest Amon_Ra Recovery Image (available here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566669).
Nothing else is needed. I see most signatures showing 512MB of EXT partition. I use the same and it has been more than enough for me.
Also, it is recommended that you use a class 6 SD card because the class 2 that came with the phone may not be fast enough and may cause some lag.

Thanks QMAN.
QMAN101 said:
What do you mean by "something different" Different from what? In order for CM to automatically do apps2SD you need to have an EXT partition as your second partition. This can be an EXT2, EXT3 or EXT4 type partition and can be easily created by using the latest Amon_Ra Recovery Image (available here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566669).
Nothing else is needed. I see most signatures showing 512MB of EXT partition. I use the same and it has been more than enough for me.
Also, it is recommended that you use a class 6 SD card because the class 2 that came with the phone may not be fast enough and may cause some lag.
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I think you answered my question perfectly. When I put the Dwang rom on and updated to Amon Ra Recovery Image I followed instructions that had me partition the sd card and put ext2 or ext3 type partition. If I buy a class 6 SD card I imagine I can just partition it and put it in.
So to be clear, does then enable the apps to run off the sd card or to install onto the sd card and run off the card also? I mean is it using the sd card as some sort of ram or is it just using it as more of a hard drive? I'm going to guess it is just as a hard drive. I didn't designate anywhere to tell the phone to use the sd card as the installation place for apps. That's why I am kinda wondering.
Thanks

jeffrimerman said:
I think you answered my question perfectly. When I put the Dwang rom on and updated to Amon Ra Recovery Image I followed instructions that had me partition the sd card and put ext2 or ext3 type partition. If I buy a class 6 SD card I imagine I can just partition it and put it in.
So to be clear, does then enable the apps to run off the sd card or to install onto the sd card and run off the card also? I mean is it using the sd card as some sort of ram or is it just using it as more of a hard drive? I'm going to guess it is just as a hard drive. I didn't designate anywhere to tell the phone to use the sd card as the installation place for apps. That's why I am kinda wondering.
Thanks
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It will both install on and run from sdcard. you don't have to enable anything.
dwang's rom does it automatically as long as you have the ext partition. His however does not support ext4.

Ok great.
djn541 said:
It will both install on and run from sdcard. you don't have to enable anything.
dwang's rom does it automatically as long as you have the ext partition. His however does not support ext4.
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Is there a way to see how full the partitioned part of the sd card is getting? When I use settings I can see the fat 32 part I believe, and the internal phone memory. I have Astro, but I don't see an option to view the entire sd card's usage.

jeffrimerman said:
Is there a way to see how full the partitioned part of the sd card is getting? When I use settings I can see the fat 32 part I believe, and the internal phone memory. I have Astro, but I don't see an option to view the entire sd card's usage.
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In rec mode goto console type...
parted dev/block/mmcblk0
print
this will tell you how much space is used by each partition
Is that what you want to know?

jeffrimerman said:
Is there a way to see how full the partitioned part of the sd card is getting? When I use settings I can see the fat 32 part I believe, and the internal phone memory. I have Astro, but I don't see an option to view the entire sd card's usage.
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Go into settings and look under sdcard and phone storage.

djn541 said:
Go into settings and look under sdcard and phone storage.
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Only cyan has that ,dwang doesnt use that.I think...

Ace42 said:
Only cyan has that ,dwang doesnt use that.I think...
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With Dwang, you can still see 2 partitions, not all 3.

ok
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In rec mode goto console type...
parted dev/block/mmcblk0
print
this will tell you how much space is used by each partition
Is that what you want to know?
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That is exactly what I wanted to know. If I keep installing apps till it runs out of memory I'm guessing I won't know till it says it can't install anymore at some point.
Hey Djn I can't see the partitions with Dwang or do I need to specify something. I only see total space 449mb(i'm guessing that is the fat 32), available space 334mb. There is the internal phone storage section also.

this is what I see
number start end size type file system
1 512 472 472 primary fat 32
2 472 984 512 primary ext2
3 984 1016 31.8 primary linux-swap(v1)
So does it mean I've only used 40mb from fat32 section, but I believe I've used more than that? The ext2 part ended with more than it started, so does that mean when I partitioned it, the memory was increased? From number 3 it looks like 32mb was taken right off the top for ram?

jeffrimerman said:
That is exactly what I wanted to know. If I keep installing apps till it runs out of memory I'm guessing I won't know till it says it can't install anymore at some point.
Hey Djn I can't see the partitions with Dwang or do I need to specify something. I only see total space 449mb(i'm guessing that is the fat 32), available space 334mb. There is the internal phone storage section also.
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Crap!, Ace is right, you can only see sd and internal with dwang, sorry about that. I haven't used dwang in quite some time.
P.S. Sorry Ace, My bad

Hey Ace
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Only cyan has that ,dwang doesnt use that.I think...
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Can you tell me what that info is telling me? It is a couple posts up. I understand the total sd card, -32 for swap yada yada. Just not sure if when it says "end" if that means that is what I have available now.

1 512 472 472 primary fat 32
2 472 984 512 primary ext2
3 984 1016 31.8 primary linux-swap(v1)
Block Start End
Well the above tells you what its for, and amount of space for each partition from starting point to end. 1 app is less than 3MB excluding games so if you have 150 apps you still have a good deal of space left.

Thanks Ace
Ace42 said:
1 512 472 472 primary fat 32
2 472 984 512 primary ext2
3 984 1016 31.8 primary linux-swap(v1)
Block Start End
Well the above tells you what its for, and amount of space for each partition from starting point to end. 1 app is less than 3MB excluding games so if you have 150 apps you still have a good deal of space left.
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I don't put mp3s, so other than wanting a little faster load app speed with class 6 I am probably fine with my 1gb class 2 for now. I think most of the apps I have were less than 1mb. I imagine games are larger. If I happen to add mp3 and games will the phone warn me as I get close to filling up the sd card?

jeffrimerman said:
I don't put mp3s, so other than wanting a little faster load app speed with class 6 I am probably fine with my 1gb class 2 for now. I think most of the apps I have were less than 1mb. I imagine games are larger. If I happen to add mp3 and games will the phone warn me as I get close to filling up the sd card?
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Music/vids/pics/docs will go onto the Fat32 partition...So your comp or phone will warn you that the FAt32 is full.

Captivate memory layout

It seems to me that the memory layout on the Captivate isn't in line with other Android devices.
Looking at the specs of the Captivate on www.google.com/phone I am seeing:
RAM: 512 MB
Internal Storage: 16000 MB
Yet in looking at "SD card and phone storage" in settings I see.
Internal phone storage, Available space: 1.60 GB
Internal SD card: 13.03 GB
It seems to me that the 16000 MB is partitioned so here are my questions.
1) Where is the 512 MB and what is it for?
2) Why is it if I install some app that is supposed to show me external SD usage it always instead shows that 13 GB internal flash volume?
And in a broader sense...
3) What is the general memory model for Android? I see RAM, Internal, External. What are they all for?

I'm not sure, but of that internal 16gb of storage space, is it merely partitioning a section of that away for the OS?

That is my question. I don't understand the memory model.

This might not be accurate since I don't own an android phone but i'm bored
1) Where is the 512 MB and what is it for?
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System Ram, used by the OS and apps as volatile memory.
2) Why is it if I install some app that is supposed to show me external SD usage it always instead shows that 13 GB internal flash volume?
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Because the 13gb volume is the "general" volume where you can personally store whatever you want, it functions just like an external Sd card would.
3) What is the general memory model for Android? I see RAM, Internal, External. What are they all for?
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Ram - It is for the OS and apps, they need that as volatile storage to function, nothing is really stored there in the long term, the OS manages that so don't worry about it.
Internal memory - This used for many things, app install and to store files like music, pictures, etc. Internal memory is usually partitioned so that you only have a set amount (probalby that 1.60 you see ) for apps install and the rest if for whatever you want(the 13gb).
External memory - That is just an SD card you can use to expand your internal memory, right now (Android 2.1) it only works to add more space for files(music, photos, docs,) but with with froyo (android 2.2) you'll be able to move installed apps to this external (and the internal 13gb) drive.

Ok here's how it's laid out.
Yes, we have 512MB of RAM. However we as the end user will only see around 300MB of that, give or take 20MB. That's because some of it used by the OS and the GPU for different tasks.
That 16GB of internal storage you see, is partitioned off. We actually get around 13GB to use for ourselves. That 1.6GB you also see starts off as around 2GB (I would assume), and the rest used by the system for the OS, apps, cache, etc...
It's just like a hard drive on a computer in that respect. Sure you but a 1TB hard drive, but you actually only get to use around 850GB of it due to formatting and whatnot.

My problem is that I cant install apps in the 13gb partition, I dont know why..
I tried with:
adb shell pm setInstallLocation 0 this is Auto mode but.. installs in 1.8 partition
..........................................1 this install on the 1.8 partition
..........................................2 this install on the sd card
..........................................3 doesent exist xD but i tried..
so does exist any way to install apps for default in the 13.3 internal SD card partition, or any way to errase the partition??..

Try using "apps2sd" from market. It should be app2sd or apps2sd.
But I don't understand the need to do this, given that Captivate has one of the best memory amounts allocated for system.
Also note that, the apps on SD won't be available during the times when apps like "media scanner" are running.

[Q] Memory Card (Partition/Size Limits)

EDIT/UPDATE - Nevermind. I figured it out.
Finally upgraded to a 16GB SD Card for my N1 as I was simply running out of space (I like to store a lot of music on my phone).
What is the recommended swap partition size? I just read up on it and found that a 32/64MB swap file should be enough. That being said, when I tried to create a 14GB ext3 partition, I kept getting an error.
What can I do to maximize space on my card so I can put more than 4GB of music/pictures/data?
See my sig for specs/ROM/etc

repartition internal block device

Hey I know this should probably go under Q&A, but After I get the awnser I will post howto and directions. Mainly I wanted to repartition the pre-install, and maybe the data, and maybe cache, and maybe even the osh, and internal sdcard.
1. Would like to install a webtop mod on internal memeory not using external sdcard, to do this would need to repartition internal memory.
2. Would like to resize cache partition remove 300+ MB, change data partition remove 1GB, change internal memory remove 1GB, change pre-install, and osh remove any exsess memory, probably 300+ MB, wich would give me around 3 GB of memeory freed up internally. I would also like to remove any exsess on system, but that isnt nessicary. if I am able to do all of this, and remove excess memory on system the remaining memeory on system would become a swap partitoin
3.create 2 new partitoins internaly after the last partion on your device, normaly is the internal sdcard, would be a 3GB partition and a 100-200 MB partition, the 3GB would be for the webtop mod to sdcard, only now hosted internally. and the 100-200 would be for swap space, I might up the swap space to 512MB and the webtop down 2.5 depends on how this all works, and what I need it to do when I am done.
Please Post some replys, links , and info. I remember someone on here did change the pre-install partition, I also know that the safestrap 1-2.0 remaps the pre-install partiton for the safestrap to stay. please post all info and help me make my device usable on the front line.

[Q]How to fusion internal memory

Hi i wanna now how can i fusion the "sdcard" with "sd-ext" in JB.. I've saw a lot of phones that the intrenal memory is the ROM memory for us and the microSD card is the sdcard partition .. so my finnaly question is how can we do that or make the ROM mem to be 8Gb and the sd card part to be up to 32Gb

i've been back with some explications of what i wanna do with munt points so let's start...
Firs of all i wanna make one partition of system storge and usb storage to one system storage (a normal partition for android phones) equivalent of 1.97+3.92=5.89Gb as internal mem. See partitions in the print screen
Then i wanna make the "SD card", actualy mounted as "extsdcard", the USB storgage in my case
For explaining you i have here a photo from a Vodafone Smart II (Alcatel v860) that has the partition management that i want

Brocky2011 said:
i've been back with some explications of what i wanna do with munt points so let's start...
Firs of all i wanna make one partition of system storge and usb storage to one system storage (a normal partition for android phones) equivalent of 1.97+3.92=5.89Gb as internal mem. See partitions in the print screen
Then i wanna make the "SD card", actualy mounted as "extsdcard", the USB storgage in my case
For explaining you i have here a photo from a Vodafone Smart II (Alcatel v860) that has the partition management that i want
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As far I know you can only swap places of external and internal memory. You cannot fuse it.
Look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36613948
And on that image I do not see any fusion of internal and external memory. It just shows capacity of it. And it is swaped too, internal become external and external become internal.

yes because in that image the internal mem (in our case 8G = 6gb + 2GbROM) it's a single partition and ours is splitted in two the internal and usb storage and in the 2nd picture the sdcard from image is a 2Gb microSD card
Now you understand me

Brocky2011 said:
yes because in that image the internal mem (in our case 8G = 6gb + 2GbROM) it's a single partition and ours is splitted in two the internal and usb storage and in the 2nd picture the sdcard from image is a 2Gb microSD card
Now you understand me
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No, you got it wrong. In second image there is 2GB internal memory that is transformed to be external. And extrenal with 32GB is set to be internal. And that is exacly what is done in this link I give to you.
P.S. And our phone is 8GB=4GB storage + 2GB app partition + 2GB for other system needs (ROM, RAM etc...).
P.P.S. Tell me again, what do you want to do? To make internal memory bigger?

i wanna intall a lot of games and apps that has the data folder in internal mem and the data is big like RF2013 or NFSMW or Asphalt 7 and more games and if i have 16 gb microsd card i wanna use it for this, music and movies
so tell me if its a way to reassamble that two partitions or combine the last two
P.S. I said 6Gb because in the earlier post you can see i calculate the sum of that first 2 partitions firs about 2 Bg like you say and econg about 4 Gb again like you said

Brocky2011 said:
i wanna intall a lot of games and apps that has the data folder in internal mem and the data is big like RF2013 or NFSMW or Asphalt 7 and more games and if i have 16 gb microsd card i wanna use it for this, music and movies
so tell me if its a way to reassamble that two partitions or combine the last two
P.S. I said 6Gb because in the earlier post you can see i calculate the sum of that first 2 partitions firs about 2 Bg like you say and econg about 4 Gb again like you said
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Short, and clear - use this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36613948&postcount=1017
"changed memory" It will make your external SD to act like internal. And all data for stuff you install will go there.