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Okay, another question that makes me feel kinda dumb.
How can I improve my N1's performance?
Specifically, how in the world do I get my nexus even close to the N1's I see on Linpack's "Top Devices"?
I'm running diet_2.6.33.2.hybrid_avs_925mv_OC with cyanogen 5.0.6. I can get 7.778 MFLOPS. Honestly, I don’t even know what that means. All I know is that I want more. Or do I? Does it even make that much of a difference in everyday usage?
I've noticed that in the JIT thread under development they talk about getting up to 17 MFLOPS, but no one really explains what JIT is or does. Just that it's unstable and that if your not sure what it is, you don't need it.
I can benchmarkPi in 2790 - how in the hell do I get it lower? Under the rom description of some of the top 50 they mention JIT and experimental kernels, but there's not much room for more than just the generic names of them. Where do I get these magical roms and kernels? Do I even want them? Are they so unstable that they can only be used to gain geek cred on some benchmark lists and once they hit the "high score" they explode in flames? Do I need safety goggles before I flash the update.zip?
Seriously though, I know I'm not the only one with these questions - so any info would help. And do me a favor, please do not respond to say that if I don't know - I don’t need to know. At one point, you didn't know either. No one was born with this knowledge.
I know there is a very bright person on here that is willing to take a couple of minutes to shed some light on us simpletons. I'd like to thank you in advance. Thanks.

Even if you get higher linpack scores, you will barely notice any difference in your devices performance... That's why I tend to ignore it. If its possible to get faster than Cyanogen ROMs (not in terms of linpack) I don't know how different things would be.. im curious about how quick Froyo is though.
Oh and have you searched, Jit has been covered in more places than just xda developers, several times it has been discussed I believe.. while using it, my Linpack scores did get into the double digits though - but this (not even that noticeable actually) speed increase was not worth the random reboots, and such. When Jit is stable though, it will be quite nice.. hopefully Froyo has it.

Linpack number did not make any differences in overall usage . Now, I am using my own UV kernel and setcpu max freq to 500MHz.. only... but, I still able to get 26.8 fps in Neocore's 3D benchmark. Playing games, 3D or not, still smooth and fluid.
I also waiting for Froyo and hope we can get even efficient and fast OS.
TQ.

Quadrant sucks, howto properly bench our devices?

I'm creating this thread based on what i read here: http://briefmobile.com/cyanogen-demonstrates-quadrants-flaws
I'd really like to know what lagfix gives me the best results and i lost my faith in quadrant. Are there any decent alternatives? Most benchmarks i know are only good for testing cpu performance...

Its not fair to say that quadrant sucks, and particularly I don't like that the article seems to be implying that the lagfixes that a lot of us are running are simply artificially inflating the SGS's score. The SGS has the best harware on the market crippled by bad firmware, and tbh I think its the lag fix that has allowed the hardware to be reflected in quadrant scores.
Anyway, quadrant doesn't suck. Its not perfect, but it does help you determine for example, how different ROMs on the same device compare for performance, as well as showing off things like GPUs that often don't get seen.
However it just runs a series of tests and weights the results accordingly. Particularly, the I/O seems to be given a lot of weight and so can be nobbled to increase the score. However, as anyone who has experienced excessive lag on their SGS can attest, it also works the other way. Without the lag fix, the SGS is a very pedestrian device, as the ~1000 quadrant scores tell you, while with the fix it FLIES.

Actually, some people are saying they notice no difference with the lag fixes it seems. And I've also seen forums full of people saying they can hear the difference between WASAPI/Exclusive audio and shared audio in Windows. Amazingly, out of the dozens of people trying to destroy me and demand it was implemented, none of them were willing to blind test (they were all just willing to say "it's obvious"). How many people here running the lagfix, have run any kind of blind test, or test with predictable steps to demonstrate a difference? Please, raise your hand people, because there is a huge difference between "it seems lag is gone" and "Lag is verified gone".
Quadrant is a guide, it doesn't test interactivity, and it only tests a few operations. It's similar to how a browser can pass ACID3, but have terrible compliance to new standards. Because people became so convinced of benchmarks accuracy, Nvidia and ATI started optimising for benchmarks.
Normal SSD's are also blazingly fast on benchmarks initially, but if they don't have TRIM, their performance drops significantly. That's another example of something benchmarks don't accurately test (because the testing is incomplete).
Use it to get a general idea of how the phone performs (although, specs might be more useful in some cases), but you probably need profiling and a predictable list of steps to diagnose the lag exactly. Run benchmarks which test according to the types of applications you are planning to run (if you play 3D games for instance, use a 3D game benchmark). But don't rely on them exclusively to tell you how well a device performs, because only running the applications and testing them yourselves can tell you.

LostAlone said:
Its not fair to say that quadrant sucks, and particularly I don't like that the article seems to be implying that the lagfixes that a lot of us are running are simply artificially inflating the SGS's score. The SGS has the best harware on the market crippled by bad firmware, and tbh I think its the lag fix that has allowed the hardware to be reflected in quadrant scores.
Anyway, quadrant doesn't suck. Its not perfect, but it does help you determine for example, how different ROMs on the same device compare for performance, as well as showing off things like GPUs that often don't get seen.
However it just runs a series of tests and weights the results accordingly. Particularly, the I/O seems to be given a lot of weight and so can be nobbled to increase the score. However, as anyone who has experienced excessive lag on their SGS can attest, it also works the other way. Without the lag fix, the SGS is a very pedestrian device, as the ~1000 quadrant scores tell you, while with the fix it FLIES.
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But do you really think that one-click-lagix or whatever is that much faster than mimocan's one (like 2800 vs 1800)? I don't think so...

andrewluecke said:
How many people here running the lagfix, have run any kind of blind test, or test with predictable steps to demonstrate a difference? Please, raise your hand people, because there is a huge difference between "it seems lag is gone" and "Lag is verified gone".
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*raisehand*
Predictable steps to demonstrate a difference:
1. Use 2 SGS, firmware of your choice
2. One with, say, 1 Click Lag Fix - the other one stock
3. Now for the test, perform simultaneously:
3.1. Open Market and go to "Downloads", update an app, close.
3.2. Open Contacts, quickly switch to favourites, dial Number. Drop call. Exit.
3.3. Open Messaging, conversation of your choice, quickly switch the writing language, write, send, exit.
3.4. bla bla goanforeva
Now if you don't notice an improvement there and in many other cases you most certainly have done something wrong.
If you are saying people are just being placebo-ed you are implying that everybody else besides you is unable to tell a real difference. Think about it, maybe it's the other way around.

When I got my device it came with the Asian JG4 firmware I think and I used it for 48hrs as a point of reference for this so called "lag" I updated my firmware to the latest we have and found zero difference in terms of performance ( same 2 day usage ) decided to flash my device with JM5 and used it w/o a lag fix for 2 days, notice a very slight improvment on how fast the inbox/contacts can open and then did a fresh flash with lagfix 2.x installed I didnt NOT notice any performance difference but I am always open and welcome to any lagfix that is stable,safe and fast ( in that order ) right now I have JG8 installed w/o lag fix and its very snappy, I still want to install a lag fix for this even if i dont see/feel any performance difference at all.. thats just me.. Now im wondering w/c lag fix is the most stable and safe.. stability/safty > speed
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Also I believe it could be possible that certain versions of lagfixes work better with certain versions of firmware also, its all about getting the perfect combination.. altho my question still stands on w/c is the safest lagfix heheheh

Well actually i gave up on benchmarks.
To me the whole user experience is more important. If apps open instantly and the phone runs smooth then it's fine with me. I did notice some firmwares are better then other ones.
Right now i'm running JM1 (rev 3) with CFLagFix1.80 installed which makes the phone very stable and running smoothly so right now i'll stick to this firmware until a proper GPS fix is released or until Froyo is released.

Phandroid said:
*raisehand*
Predictable steps to demonstrate a difference:
1. Use 2 SGS, firmware of your choice
2. One with, say, 1 Click Lag Fix - the other one stock
3. Now for the test, perform simultaneously:
3.1. Open Market and go to "Downloads", update an app, close.
3.2. Open Contacts, quickly switch to favourites, dial Number. Drop call. Exit.
3.3. Open Messaging, conversation of your choice, quickly switch the writing language, write, send, exit.
3.4. bla bla goanforeva
Now if you don't notice an improvement there and in many other cases you most certainly have done something wrong.
If you are saying people are just being placebo-ed you are implying that everybody else besides you is unable to tell a real difference. Think about it, maybe it's the other way around.
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Lol I think you didn't understand my question... I'm sure that these lag fixes all work, no doubt about that. But which of them is faster? For that i can't rely on quadrant i'm sure...

[Q] Linpack for android..am i lacking?

Ok so i flash theses beautiful roms and now ive tried some testing and currently on my captivate i ran the "linpack for andoid" app and it states:
MFLOPS: 13.982
time: 6.0
Norm Res:5.68
Precision: Inaccurate result
ok so i looked at the top 10 section ounder my phone and their MFLOPS is between 20-50 MFLOPS...So do i need some tweaking?..I mean the phone is good , Rom is awesome...any thoughts?
Captivate 1007
Phoenix 5.2 (2.2.1 JS5)
Speedmod i897 500hz k13c
UGJK4
Lagfix enabled
(r) Tweaks enabled

I wouldn't worry about it. First, your test said inaccurate results, so try running it a few times, though you probably won't get much more out of it. Secondly, most people believe these benchmarks are a load of BS, and I would trends to agree. If the ROM feels snappier and works smoother than stock for you, there really isn't any use in the benchmark scores. I'm running Serendipity 5.11 with the same kernel as you, and I find my scores are in the low 14's- which, as is for you, seems slow compared to the online results. However, my phone supposedly blows the other results out of the water in the Quadrant Standard benchmark, regularly achieving scores over 1500, and I imagine yours would perform similarly, so no, I wouldn't worry at all.
Overall, most of the roms on here achieve faster performance along with better battery life compared to a stock cappy. I suggest trying out as many roms as possible to find the one that fits you best, as everybody has different tastes, and each rom behaves differently for everybody.
Personally, I think Serendipity is something you should try, as it looks friggen sweet as is, and even better IMO with some tweaks. I changed the battery indicator to the android dude, the font to Armani, and use launcher pro over the base rom. Altogether, my phone is super slick and snappy. Oh yeah, it also accesses HSPA networks, so downloads are way quicker than stock (pretty sure your current rom does too).
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that's about right, repeated tests should get you 14+. it does say inacurate so i dont think you have a problem, just a process running somewhere. the hummingbird lacks a bit in this area and snapdragons excel only in this area. i know it is weird that the nexus one and droid incredible smoke this phone in linpack but it is hardly a thorough benchmark. run quadrant on CM7 when it comes out and see what the hardware is really doing without the samsung influence. despite the low mflops you will see good scores across the board.

Thanks alot for the input everyone...jus curious how gen-pop was adding up... but who cares about the numbers i suppose when my phone is soo [email protected]## cool hahha
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Just for the record, I'm on stock Froyo, With no SpeedMod, but with voodoo lagfix and I got better benchmark, linpack and quadrant scores than I did with a custom rom and Speedmod kernel before. Add to that the stability of a native ROM and kernel, and I think you know what I am saying here...

clemmie said:
Just for the record, I'm on stock Froyo, With no SpeedMod, but with voodoo lagfix and I got better benchmark, linpack and quadrant scores than I did with a custom rom and Speedmod kernel before. Add to that the stability of a native ROM and kernel, and I think you know what I am saying here...
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Hmmm. Intresting. Makes sense. Whered ya get the stock from..curious about the release tomorrow for At&t. Think i might try some configs with it.
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Horrid Benchmarks

Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?
I will include some that I just did. Be interested to see other's results.

malickie said:
Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?.
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I've seen at least two side by side comparisons between the Vivid and the Galaxy Skyrocket; and the Vivid definitely plays second fiddle to it, too.

roms play a big role in scores. htc roms are some of the most graphical. try on a less graphical rom like samsung is using and it will prolly be pretty close imo

Probably doesn't help that we're underclocked to 1.2 GHz stock. Once we have root and can overclock back up to 1.5 GHz+ results should be more respectible.
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Do people actually care about benchmarks?
My opinion is that they mean basically nothing. Having a great benchmark doesn't always mean great results in everyday use.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.

malickie said:
In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.
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Why the hell would a manufacturer OC a chip? These chips are designed to run at 1.5 ever since qualcomm showed these chips, HTC decided to underclock these to 1.2ghz because of may be battery reasons.
This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.

nkd said:
This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.
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I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.

Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
SOTP is all that matters.

id10terrordfw said:
Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
SOTP is all that matters.
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The wonders of OC and optimization eh.

How does the device actually feel? Felt pretty smooth when I briefly played with it. I wish people would put less weight in benchmarks.
Sent from my Galaxy S2

It is quite smooth actually. I have never actually noticed any slow downs at all as opposed to other people. Plus we more than likely once it is rooted will get the cpu OC past the actual Stock speed the processor is supposed to be so that should make things that much smoother. Granted at the expense of battery life but still if you UC when the screen is off you shouldn't feel it too badly unless you are Constantly on the phone in which case you would probably want to UC it when the screen is on too.

ClippinWings said:
I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.
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no I dont have a bad unit. I never said it stutters, I just said that the rom doesn't feel as clean as it should be. I don't have any stutters what so ever, I just hate the scroll lag sometimes.

[Q] [ AnTuTu Benchmarks on Note 4! 50,000+ ??? ]

Post up your AnTuTu Benchmarks! (Snapdragon 805's ... well Exynos too I guess haha. Darn you with the 55k+'s!!!)
(In this format please to keep it organized. It's ideal to just copy/paste it and fill in your numbers.)
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ROM Info:
FireKatN4 Deodex V2 w/ Stock Kernel
AnTuTu Score:
49,694
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Let it fly!

here is mine..!!

Okarina26 said:
here is mine..!!
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hi can you tell me what did you change to get that high score. i m at 46 k and dont know how to get it better. thnks

capecubano said:
hi can you tell me what did you change to get that high score. i m at 46 k and dont know how to get it better. thnks
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Exynos

Okarina26 said:
Exynos
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got you. that sucks we are stuck on snapdragon.

Haha! Great answer.... I should have said, SD805'S only hahaha....
Okarina26 said:
Exynos
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Snapdragon 805's dream with a stock kernel. Even with a custom kernel, Exynos will always stomp.
What carrier are you running your international variant on?
Great score by the way! Best I've seen. Well of course, exynos lol.
Okarina26 said:
here is mine..!!
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49,863 on STOCK KERNEL running FireKatv2 ROM!!!
Almost 50K on STOCK Kernel!!!!

Anyone break 49K on stock kernel? State your ROM you're using too...
This is all for fun, but has anyone hit 49K on the stock kernel?
I've tested all the available ROM's on the other N4 in my household and none has has hit 49K except, FireKatv2.
Show me! :good::good:

100% Stock rom and Stock kernel no root
I dont get it. I have been on a quest to make my phone better since the note 2. I always hit XDA and tinker and learn as much as I can but sometimes I see scores and I see people really excited about the "speed increase and battery life improvements with new roms etc, and I dont get it because for example this is my score without any work on the phone at all. My battery life is about 7.5 hours screen time with gps on and sync on all the time. Screen set to auto. Dont get me wrong I am a lover of modding and hate all the bs that carriers and sammy puts on the phones I am here because I love to work on my phone but I see no real difference right now even maybe I slow the phone down if I do anything to it. Whats going on? I remember on my note 3 I was able to see some improvement on my benchmarks over stock (not by much) and a little better battery life but again not a huge difference. Also I thought I should mention that on echoe rom I was able to score 24 to 25,000 on quadrant clocked at 2.2 ALL THE TIME I once even scored 27,000 when I was overclocked at 2.5. How come I never break 26,000 even tho I am clocked at 2.7 now. Also why am I scoring so high over modded phones

That's an excellent score! Well in your case it just proves that the stock software isn't terrible. It works....Simple as that. As for the modded peeps with custom ROM's, a lot of them have so much crap on there apps wise and have it heavily tweaked with wanam/xposed where it is really weighing down their phones.
I also have a theory about the CPU's in that they are not all created equal. Remember with the Note 3's there was a prompt in the dialer where you could go to a secret menu to see what type of processor you had. I think it was from 0-7 or something and the closer the number was to 7 meant you had a more efficient CPU, but not friendly / "as tolerant" to overclock as oppose to someone with a number closer to "0" which meant that it was more power hungry and more tolerant to over clocking. If you search for it you'll find what I'm talking about. ...
Anyway, I think we have the same thing going on here....where some of us just happen to have stronger CPU's. It's just like car engines.....not all are the same as every one of them have their own unique character. I remember when I got my AMG C Class and my buddy had the same one but a year newer. He used to smoke me (stock) where I had intake/exhaust/flashed chip. I just didn't get it. Sometimes you just end up with a [email protected]$$ CPU coming from a good batch LOL.
Another example is microSD cards...you can buy the same brand / type and all, but will always have different results. My Samsung 64GB PRO is faster than my other Samsung 64GB Pro that I have in another N4. Same phone, same chip...different speeds.
You have an awesome piece. Great score! I can't wait to break 50K's on a stock kernel!
triman13 said:
I dont get it. I have been on a quest to make my phone better since the note 2. I always hit XDA and tinker and learn as much as I can but sometimes I see scores and I see people really excited about the "speed increase and battery life improvements with new roms etc, and I dont get it because for example this is my score without any work on the phone at all. My battery life is about 7.5 hours screen time with gps on and sync on all the time. Screen set to auto. Dont get me wrong I am a lover of modding and hate all the bs that carriers and sammy puts on the phones I am here because I love to work on my phone but I see no real difference right now even maybe I slow the phone down if I do anything to it. Whats going on? I remember on my note 3 I was able to see some improvement on my benchmarks over stock (not by much) and a little better battery life but again not a huge difference. Also I thought I should mention that on echoe rom I was able to score 24 to 25,000 on quadrant clocked at 2.2 ALL THE TIME I once even scored 27,000 when I was overclocked at 2.5. How come I never break 26,000 even tho I am clocked at 2.7 now. Also why am I scoring so high over modded phones
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50,429! FireKatv2 (Stock Kernel) No CPU app. Bone stock.
Finally did it! Woke up, ran it....bam! As stated above this is with FireKatv2, Stock Kernel, Bone Stock and No App. I cleaned up a lot of my apps and my set up is real clean and simple. This is crazy....maybe I'm dreaming right now as I just woke up. No wait, I am awake. :victory:
For fun...enjoy.

Mine is 58483
Im using Galaxy Note 4 T mobile running on marshmallow, I am using beastmode kernal