Database Develop

first 25% of battery drops fast?

Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP

The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.

From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?

I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.

netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I do... Maybe I shouldn't?

I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.

gqstatus0685 said:
You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.

I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)

kilrah said:
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
kp
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.

depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.

*UPDATE*
ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it

Battery Charge Issue

This might have been answered somewhere, but i couldn't find.
My kaiser takes an hour atleast to get to 67% battery level on the power adaptor and as soon as it reaches that level it takes just 5 min to get to 100%. This is very strange. I performed a Radio upgrade to 1.70.19.09 a day before. But this is strange?
The battery status app starts with whopping +600mA of charging current on a 0% charge and drops to 100mA at 50% charged and to +53mA when it is around 67% and then in some time it says 100% with a charging current of +53mA.

sahuja said:
This might have been answered somewhere, but i couldn't find.
My kaiser takes an hour atleast to get to 67% battery level on the power adaptor and as soon as it reaches that level it takes just 5 min to get to 100%. This is very strange. I performed a Radio upgrade to 1.70.19.09 a day before. But this is strange?
The battery status app starts with whopping +600mA of charging current on a 0% charge and drops to 100mA at 50% charged and to +53mA when it is around 67% and then in some time it says 100% with a charging current of +53mA.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you tried changing the radio back? To see if that affects anything?

Is your battery life normal? Does the same happen if you let the battery discharge once and charge it again? Changing the radio could have reset the battery meter calibration and it's just finding its way again.

kilrah said:
Is your battery life normal? Does the same happen if you let the battery discharge once and charge it again? Changing the radio could have reset the battery meter calibration and it's just finding its way again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you mean to say that i should give a few recharge cycles( a week may be) and this should be resolved?

Run the battery down completely once until the device turns off, that will also allow you to see if you have normal battery life, then recharge fully. Once is enough.

kilrah said:
Run the battery down completely once until the device turns off, that will also allow you to see if you have normal battery life, then recharge fully. Once is enough.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Doesnt work. I completely discharged my kaiser such that it switched off automatically. Recharged to 67% and then shortly 100%. i dont see 70-80-90% charges.

Once it switches off, remove the battery, wait 10 seconds, put it back in, turn on again. If the phone still says low batt and turns off again then your battery is really empty. If not the calibration is really off, run down again until it's really empty, then recharge without interruption until you get the green LED.
You didn't say if your battery life was normal.

same problem here
I have experienced the same issue. Battery is less than 60% and suddenly it reaches 100% (in a couple of minutes). My battery life seems actually very short to me but I must say I started using HSDPA the last week (my carrier finally offered it) and off course my battery lasts much less than before, so it could be just an impression. I flashed hyperdragon III Blackstone (nov 1st) last weekend and the radio is 1.65.24.36.
Just to give you an example, this morning I was listening to streaming radio over HSDPA and battery dropped from 100% to 40% in 50 minutes (screen was off all the time)
So I will try to empty my battery completely and charge it again. I´ll report after that.

Phone shutdowns itself when battery hits the 7% mark

I'm trying to nail down if this is normal behavior or not my phone always shutdowns itself when the battery level goes below 7%, no matter what.
then I turn it on it boots and shows 0% of battery left then it shutdown again, next time I try it's totally dead.
Tried with a battery calibration improved the overall battery life but that mark is still there.
Is that normal? I mean when I used to have a G1 it lasted until 1% or so.. 7% can be very well an extra hour of usage that I'm loosing.

emudojo said:
I'm trying to nail down if this is normal behavior or not my phone always shutdowns itself when the battery level goes below 7%, no matter what.
then I turn it on it boots and shows 0% of battery left then it shutdown again, next time I try it's totally dead.
Tried with a battery calibration improved the overall battery life but that mark is still there.
Is that normal? I mean when I used to have a G1 it lasted until 1% or so.. 7% can be very well an extra hour of usage that I'm loosing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've noticed the same thing. It'll be interesting to see if anyone has a solution.

7% of battery life is just a number. It could very well be inaccurate, and simply reporting 7% when you actually have 0%. When you reboot and it shows 0% just backs this idea up. You are not "losing" an hour of battery life, you simply never had it.
To check this, use spare parts to look at the voltage of your battery when it approaches 7%.
Also, this belongs in the QA section.

I'll give it a try, interesting is the fact that both Cyanogen RC3 and Battery Monitor are reporting the same thing.
Will keep an eye on the voltage, what should it say ? something near 0?

seriously?
AFAIK li-on battery never be below 5% or 7% why?
because if you get below of this the battery will be dead and will not work anymore. so thats normal.

zen kun said:
seriously?
AFAIK li-on battery never be below 5% or 7% why?
because if you get below of this the battery will be dead and will not work anymore. so thats normal.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've also read its normal but if its normal why isn't it calibrated to show 0% when its actually at 7%? My phone goes off at ~10%
btw there are so many battery threads lately.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=702167

Yeh, mine also goes off at around 10%.

it seems normal then , time to get myself a spare battery ... travel can be painful if no power outlet / usb port is near me

Yes its kinda normal. My phone has always shut down at 8% from day 1. I think its because of what we're talking about in the battery cal thread personally.

[Battery] Why Does Battery Level Jump to 100 During Charging!

Please look at the end of time axis. During the charging, the battery level jump from 78 to 100 suddenly.
I found similar jumping several times, and I did a calibration by completely discharging the battery. During discharging, the last 1 percent is supper durable. However, after a couple of days, the jump reappear again.
Any ideas?

My battery jumps from 80 to full when charging too

I've noticed that as well anytime I charge from anything except dead 0 it jumps from 80 to 100 from 0% it charges smooth to 100

ConstantHero said:
I've noticed that as well anytime I charge from anything except dead 0 it jumps from 80 to 100 from 0% it charges smooth to 100
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly. Did you also notice that the last 1% is supper durable?

Yeah I've noticed this as well. It was very surprising because my old phone would take hours to charge but the Moto X took almost 1/3 of the time. But then battery does last long after the full charge so NO COMPLAINTS here :good::good::laugh:

yeah i feel like the battery percentage is not accurate at all on the moto x. I compared it with mV voltages in battery monitor pro and its always off...

your phone is guessing what your battery percentage is. if you want to fix it, drain phone down until it completely dies. then charge it to 100% without turning it back on. It will recalibrate your phone battery stats and you no longer will have the phone jump from 80-100% when charging.

jayboyyyy said:
your phone is guessing what your battery percentage is. if you want to fix it, drain phone down until it completely dies. then charge it to 100% without turning it back on. It will recalibrate your phone battery stats and you no longer will have the phone jump from 80-100% when charging.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have done that twice. This symptom reappears after several days.

csytracy said:
I have done that twice. This symptom reappears after several days.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here

Wipe battery stats in recovery.
Sent from my XT1056 using Tapatalk

one more example.

Inaccurate battery %??

After charging my battery fully to 100%, I unplug it from the charger and without even turning the screen on, the battery drains to 92% within one hour. I check the battery stats and there are maybe only a couple wakes during this time.
Sometimes, the battery shows a certain percentage longer than others. Example, my phone will be on 65% longer than it would be on 60%.
Battery still gives me a solid 2 days usage with about 3+ hours screen on time. The service menu also says that the battery is good.
Is there a way to get the battery reading to show more accurately?
Thanks,

Hope I could Help You
For your battery problem, I guess you could try calibrating it. And also try to install "Greenify" along with "Clean Master or 360 Security" and try to close all running apps before turning off the screen. I also turn on Stamina Mode when the battery is at 100%, in an attempt to further save battery life. And the result has been kinda meh, but well, battery drains about 1% per hour. It lasts about a day and half with light usage. In my case, light usage being, browsing, youtube videos for about 2 hours, listening to music, social networking and taking some pictures
Squatrack Curler said:
After charging my battery fully to 100%, I unplug it from the charger and without even turning the screen on, the battery drains to 92% within one hour. I check the battery stats and there are maybe only a couple wakes during this time.
Sometimes, the battery shows a certain percentage longer than others. Example, my phone will be on 65% longer than it would be on 60%.
Battery still gives me a solid 2 days usage with about 3+ hours screen on time. The service menu also says that the battery is good.
Is there a way to get the battery reading to show more accurately?
Thanks,
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

jeseunpark said:
For your battery problem, I guess you could try calibrating it. And also try to install "Greenify" along with "Clean Master or 360 Security" and try to close all running apps before turning off the screen. I also turn on Stamina Mode when the battery is at 100%, in an attempt to further save battery life. And the result has been kinda meh, but well, battery drains about 1% per hour. It lasts about a day and half with light usage. In my case, light usage being, browsing, youtube videos for about 2 hours, listening to music, social networking and taking some pictures
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey,
im using greenify (my phone is rooted). Battery is quite good for me though. I get about 3 days with light usage. I start charging my phone again when the battery gets to anywhere between 10-20%.
I read that maybe its better not to let it get so low?
I have no wake locks either.

Umm.. IMO, 10-20% is okay. I usually charge the phone when the battery gets around 5%. I read somewhere that charging battery too early can affect the battery's overall standby time (reducing it). It's better not to let the battery reach 0% though.
I had that happen with my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 earlier. I once let the battery dip all the way to 0% many times. After a few charge cycles, I found out that the battery was dead and wouldn't charge at all so I ended up buying a new battery :-/
Umm.. Coming back to our Z1's, could you try putting the phone in stamina mode everytime the phone is kept on standby mode? This boosted my battery life a lot I even put my phone on stamina mode throughout the whole night yesterday to test the battery life again, and when I switched on in the morning, I saw that the battery had dipped by just 2% (standby time of 7 hours). I'm really confused how your battery drops so fast, 100% to 92%.
Could you try calibrating the battery and then putting it in Stamina Mode while on Stanby and tell me the results? I hope I could help :fingers-crossed:
Squatrack Curler said:
Hey,
im using greenify (my phone is rooted). Battery is quite good for me though. I get about 3 days with light usage. I start charging my phone again when the battery gets to anywhere between 10-20%.
I read that maybe its better not to let it get so low?
I have no wake locks either.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

jeseunpark said:
Umm.. IMO, 10-20% is okay. I usually charge the phone when the battery gets around 5%. I read somewhere that charging battery too early can affect the battery's overall standby time (reducing it). It's better not to let the battery reach 0% though.
I had that happen with my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 earlier. I once let the battery dip all the way to 0% many times. After a few charge cycles, I found out that the battery was dead and wouldn't charge at all so I ended up buying a new battery :-/
Umm.. Coming back to our Z1's, could you try putting the phone in stamina mode everytime the phone is kept on standby mode? This boosted my battery life a lot I even put my phone on stamina mode throughout the whole night yesterday to test the battery life again, and when I switched on in the morning, I saw that the battery had dipped by just 2% (standby time of 7 hours). I'm really confused how your battery drops so fast, 100% to 92%.
Could you try calibrating the battery and then putting it in Stamina Mode while on Stanby and tell me the results? I hope I could help :fingers-crossed:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah i could try to calibrate it. Im a little confused on what you do to calibrate the battery (ive read way to many opinions on this). Can you please tell me the steps.

Squatrack Curler said:
Hey,
im using greenify (my phone is rooted). Battery is quite good for me though. I get about 3 days with light usage. I start charging my phone again when the battery gets to anywhere between 10-20%.
I read that maybe its better not to let it get so low?
I have no wake locks either.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Squatrack Curler said:
Yeah i could try to calibrate it. Im a little confused on what you do to calibrate the battery (ive read way to many opinions on this). Can you please tell me the steps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I used this to help me - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1024867