Looking for a good swype like keyboard for the Xoom. Any reccs?
So far I've tried SlideIt which is good but a bit laggy and not as polished as swype.
yesterday there was a post called "tablet keyboard".
You might want to dig it up. See if it is similar enough to suite your needs
Flext9 works. Love it on my phone and works well on my xoom.
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Testingchip said:
Flext9 works. Love it on my phone and works well on my xoom.
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Is thata swype or t9 style?
Yes, Tablet is the keyboard I use and I like it alot. It has either split screen or regular full modes. I like the split mode which is very natural for holding the xoom and typing with thumbs at the same time.
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I use SwiftKey and love it, split thumb based keyboard with an amazing auto-complete feature that almost writes emails for you, and improves as it learns your writing style.
Try Thumb Keyboard. I've optimized this keyboard for tablets by a introducing a split design. Right now I'm working on a very big update that will unleash the extra functionality of Honeycomb. For one thing it will have multi-touch, but also the ability to click and change previous typed words with suggestions and it will present different suggestions for voice input. And in the future I will also add the ability to predict the next word.
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Try Thumb Keyboard. I've optimized this keyboard for tablets by a introducing a split design. Right now I'm working on a very big update that will unleash the extra functionality of Honeycomb. For one thing it will have multi-touch, but also the ability to click and change previous typed words with suggestions and it will present different suggestions for voice input. And in the future I will also add the ability to predict the next word.
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That is great news to hear as thumb keyboard is what I use for everything. Simply love the keyboard. Can't wait for the new features.
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That is great news to hear as thumb keyboard is what I use for everything. Simply love the keyboard. Can't wait for the new features.
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Thanks.
If everything is going according to plan and the test results are positive I will upload it at the end of next week.
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Thanks.
If everything is going according to plan and the test results are positive I will upload it at the end of next week.
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Big fan on Thumb keyboard - Let me know if you need any beta testers
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Big fan on Thumb keyboard - Let me know if you need any beta testers
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Big fan on Thumb keyboard - Let me know if you need any beta testers
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Great! I will release a stable version begin next week. Normally I would upload it directly to the market, but because it is a rewrite of the whole core I decided to do some testing.
It's a private beta. Please PM me, or better yet, send an email to the email address in the about box so I can mail you a version begin next week.
If others respond, I'm basically looking for users who already use the keyboard because I want to do the test for current users who can also do a comparison. (Don't want to fix anything that isn't broken )
Thanks
I'd love to test it. I use it on my xoom and evo. best keyboard ever
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If everything is going according to plan and the test results are positive I will upload it at the end of next week.
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Also good to hear. This is my daily keyboard as well.
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another slide keyboard is TSwipe-Pro
Hi,
I tried many keyboards and am still looking for that perfect combination of layouts, features, and speed. I needed something with numbers on the top row and use Tablet Keyboard Free. I would really like to have cursor keys and the ability to use my finger and slide the word.
Ive been trying TSwipe-Pro. Of all the two dozen keyboards Ive used, this one has more features than any of them. I do not know if its because I have the trial version but sometimes it slows down, or parts of it stop working, like prediction, until I kill the task. It is a THI keyboard with english. I wonder if those letters would show here, , ๆๅภุุึคตจขชไำพะัรนยบลลฟหกดเ้่าสวงผปแอิืืทมใใฝฝ????
Thumb Keyboard is not to be overlooked. It has its strenghts that other keyboard apps don't.
-TheHoovie
If you really want a swype type keyboard you should look up slide-it keyboard. It is basically swype but as an app that can be bought and installed. i think its like 6 dollars. Its what I use and in many ways its better than swype, at least it allows a few more features.
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I've released a public beta today on thumb4beta.blogspot.com . Feedback is very much appreciated.
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I've released a public beta today on thumb4beta.blogspot.com . Feedback is very much appreciated.
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thanks got the new one installed and loving it.
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I've released a public beta today on thumb4beta.blogspot.com . Feedback is very much appreciated.
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Sweet! Thanks!
A few quick first impressions:
I love the move of the tab and .com buttons to new positions, much easier for me to get at.
Really struggling with the addition of the caps key on the right side of the keyboard in the location of the delete key on the old version. Not that this is bad, just that coming from using the older version of thumb keyboard I find myself getting a capital letter when I had been intending to delete the previous letter.
The space autocomplete with highlighted word only works from the right side space bar (and that is the only one that lights up with the notification for autocomplete). Is this by design and if so why? Have tried hitting the left side space bar a couple times expecting the autocomplete and then having to go back (see above for what usually happens next lol).
That's just a few things after a couple minutes time. This is the only keyboard I use so as I use it more will try and give more feedback.
This is looking great, thanks for all of the work you have put into this. Can't wait for the final version of this update and all of the greatness it will bring to my favorite keyboard on my xoom.
Rules.r said:
I use SwiftKey and love it, split thumb based keyboard with an amazing auto-complete feature that almost writes emails for you, and improves as it learns your writing style.
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I love it too - bought it for my N1 and been using it ever since (like 4-5 months) ... but tried it on the XOOM and it's terrible... obviously not made for tablets since the keyboard takes up 90% of the screen
did they release a beta for tablets I'm not aware of?
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ive been using swype for a while, but it keeps ending its trial period and says to upgrade ( or something along those lines )
is there a fully working version of this or another swype-like keyboard available that works?
Here, this version wont ever end.
SlideIT - Absolute Genius Keyboard
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ive been using swype for a while, but it keeps ending its trial period and says to upgrade ( or something along those lines )
is there a fully working version of this or another swype-like keyboard available that works?
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Yes, You can try SlideIT.
Available in the Market and works very much like "Swype" - in fact, I prefer SlideIt, which seems to accommodate for the eccentricities of my texting technique better than Swype...
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Yes, You can try SlideIT.
Available in the Market and works very much like "Swype" - in fact, I prefer SlideIt, which seems to accommodate for the eccentricities of my texting technique better than Swype...
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Wow! That is awesome. I tried out the demo and was impressed. Bought it within 5 minutes of using the demo. Thanks!
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Here, this version wont ever end.
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Will it honestly never end?
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Will it honestly never end?
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Yeah, its been modded. It'll never end. I've been using it for weeks, maybe 8? It wont end.
I've tried this apk but i still get the "your trial has expired, please upgrade" dialog box. Any other leads on how to 'fix' that issue? I've already wiped my phone and reloaded Plane Jane v2 but i still get the same error. Thanks.
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I've tried this apk but i still get the "your trial has expired, please upgrade" dialog box. Any other leads on how to 'fix' that issue? I've already wiped my phone and reloaded Plane Jane v2 but i still get the same error. Thanks.
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Realistically, your options are...
1. For an Eris, you want an HVGA version. Since Swype is commercial, although still beta, files/threads/posts come and go depending on content. We might as well not make the lives of the staff here more complicated by posting material that they are ultimately obligated to remove. Use google.
2. SlideIt mentioned above. Seems to get decent reviews. Like Swype, it has quirks that you will become familiar with as the system is used. If you're not in the Swype beta, and you can't locate a functioning tweaked apk floating out there, this is likely your best option at the moment.
3. The Swype beta is closed, but it appears that you can register there to get in line if it reopens. Frustrating solution I know.
None of those options are great, but some are better than others depending on your own knowledge base.
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New versions of Swype available on my blog at
Have BOTH HVGA and WVGA versions on there. Just look for the swype article
Just throwing this out there. I did not waste my time checking out ultra keyboard. It has a swipe feature as well as multi-touch. I swipe in portrait and multi-touch in landscape. Exactly what I was looking for. Lots of customizing options. You can make it look pretty much however you want. Lite and paid versions in the market. Well worth the money, IMHO.
Slideit is great but I'm having one problem and I don't know if anybody else is having the same issue and thats the voice to text. I can use it for the first time texting somebody but if I try using it again for the same person it won't work. It'll record but it won't text it out for you not unless I go to my contact list and pick the same contact again then it'll work.
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New versions of Swype available on my blog at
Have BOTH HVGA and WVGA versions on there. Just look for the swype article
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nice blog jsuh. i recommend everyone takes a look
i do not see the link to swype can someon help
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nice blog jsuh. i recommend everyone takes a look
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I agree. Awesome blog.
cstone1991 said:
nice blog jsuh. i recommend everyone takes a look
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I agree. Awesome blog.
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Thanks, I appreciate it Will be getting an Incredible today and leaving the Eris so that's even more exciting, but still hoping to keep making updates for the Eris on my blog. Thanks for the support.
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Just throwing this out there. I did not waste my time checking out ultra keyboard. It has a swipe feature as well as multi-touch. I swipe in portrait and multi-touch in landscape. Exactly what I was looking for. Lots of customizing options. You can make it look pretty much however you want. Lite and paid versions in the market. Well worth the money, IMHO.
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Decided to take a peek at Ultrakeyboard. Agreed. Well worth the cost (under $3).
If you have a hankering for trace typing, are locked out of the Swype beta or simply don't want to play the expiration dance game that they insist upon, want something supported and available in the market, this is a very nice option. Very configurable (can be a plus or minus depending on user). Dictionary management seems better on a quick look. Highly recommended by me as well.
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Ultra Keyboard has become the only keyboard I use. I have it set for trace in portrait and regular multi touch in landscape. You can even use any other Keyboard's theme or create your own.
Im also searching for the ultimate tracing style keyboard as i hate the traditional typing method.
To date i have tried Swype (very average and overated however the new version 3.5.83.26516 is much more accurate). Also there are nice skins out there too.
SlideIT: Great keyboard and i believe is faster than Swype. Can also learn custom words and phrases that you commonly type. ie/ swpe 2 letters that you teach it to replicate an entire sentence. More language support as well.
Shapewriter: no longer supported but if you find the APK floating around, it is by far the most accurate in my opinion and ive used all the ones ive mentioned for months. It looks dull but man is it accurate and fast. smile icon right on the main screen as well which i like. Easy to learn words etc, very no frills but extremely accurate.
FlexT9 Input: They have brought out shapewriter with this release. Also great keyboard in that its very accurate, moreso than Swype etc but Shapewriter has great edit word capability. ie/ just type fast and then select anywhere in the word to get the word suggestions which FlexT9 doesnt have to date.
Ultra keyboard: as others have mentioned, very customisable, not bad. I question the dictionary though and this reduces its accuracy which Shapewriter has otherwise great potential, there is nothing you cant customise.
TSwipe Pro: Only drawback is its dictionary, many words dont exist so its just not as fast as Shapewriter but excellent features, just like Ultrakeyboard. You can customise anything, looks great, great features and one of my favourites but at the end of the day it needs to be accurate and fast as well.
Can anyone else think of anyother sliding/tracing/swping style keyboards, im always on the lookout for one that just excels in every area which im yet to find (yes being picky). Wish one of the keyboards had a combination of them all
I add another vote for Ultra Keyboard. I think Swype was a bit more accurate in guessing and had a better dictionary, but I was sick of dealing with Swype not sticking.
REALLLY dumb question.... but what is swiping in terms of kbd swipes?? I get the swipe up/down and left right on screens and in apps but when typing?? Confused and want to understand.... laughing welcome .
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What keyboards are you guys using on your Droid Eris? I've tried so many but none can keep up with my typing speed. I can type so fast on an iPhone but when I type on my Eris, I always have to slow down because my phone is still trying to catch up or got stuck on one error or something.
I tried Swype but I'm just not as accurate as the regular keyboards.
Since I've basically lost interest in Swype because of their lack of releases for any new users, I decided to try SwiftKey.
I noticed they were running a sale (yep, guess Android dev's do that sometimes) so I decided I would try it. The text prediction is so good most of the time you only have to type one or two letters of a word. Not sure how it keeps up with speed, since I rarely type any full words. There's a free version you can try and see if you like it, just search "SwiftKey Keyboard Free" in the market and you'll find it.
I don't think I've tried SwiftKey, but I use Ultra Keyboard (Swype-like). Before that, I had tried Swype through several beta versions, but I thought it sucked, honestly. I preferred ShapeWriter to Swype; it worked better. ShapeWriter isn't available on the market any more, but I may have a backup of the last available version in an apk if anyone needs it (it was free anyway).
SwiftKey's text prediction is what got me hooked. In terms of "learning" it's one of the best keyboards, after about a week or two of moderate use you'll barley have to type anything anymore.
+1 for SwiftKey. I hate that it's bland whute and gray, but it's definitely the smartest keyboard. I too have tried them all, but keep coming back. My routine is this: flash rom, use themed, native kb for few hours because it looks cool, then break down and swap SwiftKey into system/app. The ability to have it instantly "learn" my language from my saved text messages is a nice touch aa well. It tracks saved keystrokes and I'm always @ 25-30%.
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I'm loving the new hacked Swype that Jonsu just released. I don't plan on looking for any more keyboards.
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I've tried Swiftkey and I like the idea of it, but I find myself watching for the next word rather than just typing on through. I feel like a simple, fast keyboard would allow me to type the fastest.
I just downloaded better keyboard and it seems to be very responsive!!
I like the DroidX keyboard. Kaos has a thread on it in dev.
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I'm loving the new hacked Swype that Jonsu just released. I don't plan on looking for any more keyboards.
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Why would you post something like this and not give us a URL so we can get it?
I was thinking the same thing.
I tried swiftkey and liked it but had a much better expeirence with swype seemed like I was making less mistakes which is always nice
I've been a big fan of smart keyboard pro lately. it's quite fast and accurate and it has a "dynamic key resizing feature" which helps improve it's accuracy. I think it's safe to say that it is my favorite keyboard and i've pretty much tried them all. swiftkey... swype... better keyboard... ultra keyboard... ect.
edit: Ohh and I forgot to add that it's auto correct is pretty kick ass too.
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I was thinking the same thing.
I tried swiftkey and liked it but had a much better expeirence with swype seemed like I was making less mistakes which is always nice
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http://jonsuh.com/2010/11/swype-never-tap-to-type-on-your-phone-again/
ShapeWriter is the best. its currently off the market but it can be found floating around online...
+1 to ShapeWriter. Been using it on my Eris since it was in the market. Very responsive. Im hooked on swipe keyboards now, touch typing takes to long for me.
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Gingerbread keyboard is out now. So far my experience with it has been great.
I put a flashable zip together and posted it over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=867623 if you wanna pick it up.
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Gingerbread keyboard is out now. So far my experience with it has been great.
I put a flashable zip together and posted it over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=867623 if you wanna pick it up.
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I agree. I've been using gingerbread keyboard for several days now and have been very happy with it so far. I also just installed the new beta swype but I just can't seem to get into swype. I guess I like typing better than sliding my finger across the screen.
I wasn't quite happy with the stock keyboards that came with vegan or tent lite so I went searching for something else... I have better keyboard on my phone so I decided to download it on my tab. I ended up getting some errors on tnt but it works great on vegan. It is free to try now, but you gotta pay for the options to be enabled. Gonna check the version and see if I can find the full working version for us. If there is more keyboards you think I should try, lmk
Update: I do have the key and app. What would be the best place for us gtabbers? I know mediafile works in dolphin but is there an universal site where everyone can see them? I plan on putting some packs together
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I have set up a new sendspace account and will be using it until I find something better. Currently sendspace has an app on the market that lets me upload anything
Dolphin only lets me upload pics/music/videos ATM
key:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/kvg8lm
bk 8 (gingerbread version)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lu09gh
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What makes it better?
Interested and willing to try but I would like a bit more information.
Thanks!
+1 thanks for your efforts but, more info?
I have one keyboard that auto corrects but no sound, and one with sound but no auto correct, so I'm very interested in something better....
Brought to you by the happy little droids in my G tab.
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+1 thanks for your efforts but, more info?
I have one keyboard that auto corrects but no sound, and one with sound but no auto correct, so I'm very interested in something better....
Brought to you by the happy little droids in my G tab.
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better keyboard is the best keyboard (imo ofc) so far ive played with. you can change the height of the keyboard, skin support, lots of options, etc.
edit: t9 is awesome, and the sound works
install the key first then the main. it will guide you through the rest.
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I wasn't quite happy with the stock keyboards that came with vegan or tent lite so I went searching for something else... I have better keyboard on my phone so I decided to download it on my tab. I ended up getting some errors on tnt but it works great on vegan. It is free to try now, but you gotta pay for the options to be enabled. Gonna check the version and see if I can find the full working version for us. If there is more keyboards you think I should try, lmk
Update: I do have the key and app. What would be the best place for us gtabbers? I know mediafile works in dolphin but is there an universal site where everyone can see them? I plan on putting some packs together
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Try Thumb Keyboard. By far the BEST keyboard for tablet use currently available. It's also updated quite often.
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Try Thumb Keyboard. By far the BEST keyboard for tablet use currently available. It's also updated quite often.
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+1 on Thumb Keyboard. Simply the best layout for a 10" device available for android devices at this time.
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I have come to like the keyboard from notion ink. I really like the fact it has arrows on the layout. It does take a little getting used to, no lines between the letters.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928832
Thumb keyboard 4.0 Public Beta released for 10.1" screens.
Edit: I see appelflap also posted this earlier but buried in another thread
There is no spacebar row for the g tablet
you rock man.
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There is no spacebar row for the g tablet
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Hi, there are some problems with the installation on the g tablet. I will post a fix tomorrow.
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Thumb keyboard 4.0 Public Beta released for 10.1" screens.
Edit: I see appelflap also posted this earlier but buried in another thread
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Thanks Clyde for reposting it. I'm looking for a lot of beta testers Feedback, suggestions, bug reports etc are very welcome.
Btw. Take notice of the "known issues" list. Also, if the keyboard behaves strangely after installation just reboot the Xoom.
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Thanks Clyde for reposting it. I'm looking for a lot of beta testers Feedback, suggestions, bug reports etc are very welcome.
Btw. Take notice of the "known issues" list. Also, if the keyboard behaves strangely after installation just reboot the Xoom.
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Okay, I'm going to install it now and start banging on it
I think this will take a little getting used to but it installed properly right away, I enabled it in the settings and then switched to it and said hello to some people in #xoom on irc.freenode.net
Anything in particular that needs to be tried out?
I have been using thumb keyboard since I got my wifi zoom on the release day, just installed the beta. Will use it and see what I can find. I do like the new location for the .com button. And the multi touch is pretty sweet.
Sorry for the newb question, but how does multitouch help this keyboard? I've been using the regular thumb keyboard and it works fine?
nevermind I got it now
Thanks op working great on landscape enjoying my xoom even more!
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Is this working on the gTab bc I would like to get a feel of it for when I get my xoom bc i am currently a swype user and xoom has no swype
is this available in the market?
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Is this working on the gTab bc I would like to get a feel of it for when I get my xoom bc i am currently a swype user and xoom has no swype
is this available in the market?
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ATM it doesn't work properly with the gtab yet but heard the dev is working on it.
The one on the market is the old one I think I used the one the op linked.
I thought that I would have trouble not using an android without swype (tried swift key too) but this keyboard is amazing and feels more secure holding my xoom with 2 hands when typing rather than holding with one hand and swyping with the other. But who knows what swype might bring but for now this will be my main keyboard.
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ATM it doesn't work properly with the gtab yet but heard the dev is working on it.
The one on the market is the old one I think I used the one the op linked.
I thought that I would have trouble not using an android without swype (tried swift key too) but this keyboard is amazing and feels more secure holding my xoom with 2 hands when typing rather than holding with one hand and swyping with the other. But who knows what swype might bring but for now this will be my main keyboard.
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Cool, I will be checking it out.
Absolutely love the new layout and functions. Much much better than the one in the market. Love the Shortcuts feature, makes loging in that much easier. Can't wait for full version.
@appelflap: I'm loving the new beta. Multitouch is a very welcome addition! I appreciate all the work and creativity you've put into this app - it's made my XOOM a real pleasure to type on. Hope the market sales are treating you well.
@appelflap Keypress sound is not working on my Xoom with the beta. Checked to make sure it was turned on. Still no sound.
Nice! Is there a tab button? I don't know if this is expected behavior but the long-press (secondary keys) don't do anything when caps or caps lock are on.
@appelflap. False alarm. Rebooted and sound is back.
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@appelflap Keypress sound is not working on my Xoom with the beta. Checked to make sure it was turned on. Still no sound.
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It is working, but in this beta only the default Xoom keypress sounds are implemented. These are loud enough when you lay the Xoom flat on the table so the speaker can reflect them. But are hardly to hear when you hold the Xoom in your hands.
In the final release the sounds of the current market version will return. These sounds are a lot louder.
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@ all Just released a update of the beta, with some fixes and some small additions.
Hi, I would like to know if there is a way to modify the standard android keyboard to just add a number row like with webos
I know there are some alternate keyboards such as hackers keyboard but they tend to add a ton of other buttons that make the overall size of the keys very small, especially when all I want is just the number row
Are there any mods/ patches that will do just that and nothing else.
Its a good idea but the normal keyboard already takes up more than half the screen adding another row would make editing documents rather difficult, any mod would need to squash the keys down to make it fit and don't forget that Android is universal so wouldn't fit on other devices screens.
Have you tried Hackers Keyboard from the market as this has the extra row of keys and is very usable.
EDIT: Sorry, just fully read first post, but I still find Hackers Keyboard the best.
Maybe thumb keyboard. One option it gives is a layout that might suit you.
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Try this one, just found on the play store
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5wcmV0dHllYXN5LnRhYmxldGtleWJvYXJkLmZyZWUiXQ..
Might just be what you are looking for
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Try this one, just found on the play store
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5wcmV0dHllYXN5LnRhYmxldGtleWJvYXJkLmZyZWUiXQ..
Might just be what you are looking for
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Isnt Swift Key really similar to that too? I havent spent too much time with it myself.
But that does look intersting, I might have to give it a try
I mainly like having a fully functioning number row because in many of the places that I post on, I use numbers frequently, and when logging into various sites, I the webos keyboard allows the main view to handle most of the function that I need and less a bit less commonly, the second view for the various math symbols.
I will test out the tablet keyboard app
I use thumb keyboard, it works great for me.
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Hi, I would like to know if there is a way to modify the standard android keyboard
Are there any mods/ patches that will do just that and nothing else.
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Should be in Q + A section, not development.
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Should be in Q + A section, not development.
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