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I've noticed a pretty big difference in battery life and charge time with this application running. The application states that it has improved battery life by 1.75x on my phone. It also seems to lop some charging time off.
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same here, its actually increased my batter life by 2.3x but thats because I put in in constant extreme mode. It saves a ton of battery but because it shuts everything off except texting and calling while the screen is off, when I turn it on to get the text or call it blows up with emails and other notifications... Its kind of funny actually. But yeah this is a great app if your looking to conserve life as long as possible and not worried about getting delayed notifications.
good stuff. i have mine set to aggressive and it's done ok for now.
I think my biggest problem with juice defender is the learning curve. Yeah I want to save battery life. But no, I don't want to miss an IM or email or something. I keep looking for a generally simple walk through on how to set stuff up and select the settings to get the best optimal results.
I have an extended battery and 2 of the regular ones, so battery life has ceased to be an issue. Still I'd like it to be a bit better than it is now.
WWJDD?
I use aggressive on mine and it says that it averages x1.83, it's amazing, I'm actually considering buying the paid version because of how awesome it really is, and that's from someone who has had a Droid for over 2 years and has never paid for a single app, because I thought that it was pointless. Thank you for converting me JD!!!
ufkal said:
I think my biggest problem with juice defender is the learning curve. Yeah I want to save battery life. But no, I don't want to miss an IM or email or something. I keep looking for a generally simple walk through on how to set stuff up and select the settings to get the best optimal results.
I have an extended battery and 2 of the regular ones, so battery life has ceased to be an issue. Still I'd like it to be a bit better than it is now.
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Here's a good place to start reading up on features http://latedroid.com/juicedefender
When you're ready to roll aggressive/custom you can take a look through the settings / help, also this app configuration article on their FAQ looks handy as well http://feedback.latedroid.com/forums/70437-general/suggestions/1409997-faq-configure-apps?ref=title
The auto config is fine but to see some real benefits one needs to set it up. Over time I'm sure the battery life benefit is huge.
For example you could disable data during the night, set it to 15 minute data off during the day, configure the apps you want (i.e. disabling data when using a game that doesn't need it).
My main concern is regarding compatibility with the Revo.
For example I'm getting an error that says: "ROM is not compatible with AOSP helper (3G control is unavailable) - get CyanogenMod"
Not sure how much of the app is compatible, what have you guys found?
JD set on balanced. 52 sms messages, multiple facebook checks, nothing else. good 4g coverage. unplugged at 9am, 30% and falling at 3pm. ok?
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JD set on balanced. 52 sms messages, multiple facebook checks, nothing else. good 4g coverage. unplugged at 9am, 30% and falling at 3pm. ok?
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check how good your service is. when it's not the data draining bettery, it usually means it's spending a lot of energy searching for cell signal
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Root and use SetCPU, and slam into 'on demand' with a minimum of 250mhz clock. battery life is CRAZY good now and i never have to worry about missing a email from gmail or my works outlook server (which goes off like crazy, around 100 emails a day)
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I use aggressive on mine and it says that it averages x1.83, it's amazing, I'm actually considering buying the paid version because of how awesome it really is, and that's from someone who has had a Droid for over 2 years and has never paid for a single app, because I thought that it was pointless. Thank you for converting me JD!!!
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Pointless to buy apps? lol, thats the reason many app developers won't develop for Android. Android owners are generally known to be cheapskates, and this is why the big app developers have avoided Android for the most part. There not going to develop something if they don't think they can make money on it. And that is the biggest reason the iPhone gets the best apps and we get leftovers. The other reason is the amount of different Androids, but the main reason is that they want to make money because they are a business.
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Pointless to buy apps? lol, thats the reason many app developers won't develop for Android. Android owners are generally known to be cheapskates, and this is why the big app developers have avoided Android for the most part. There not going to develop something if they don't think they can make money on it. And that is the biggest reason the iPhone gets the best apps and we get leftovers. The other reason is the amount of different Androids, but the main reason is that they want to make money because they are a business.
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I actually bought the most expensive of this app, I think it was $5 or $6, my buddy has the itouch and he hacked it, he now can have pretty much any app he wants for FREE. The only things I used my original Motorolla Droid was for taking pictures (stock app), playing angrybirds, and calling/texting people. With this new phone I'm doing a lot more, and very willing to give credit where credit is due, so get off your high horse and buy an iphone if your so worried about getting the bad end of the deal.
I bought JD Ultimate. Great buy IMHO. I was using set CPU and Setting Profiles which work well. JDU does all that those do and so much more. I have on demand CPU set. wifi only comes on when I am home based on cell signal GPS not the standalone GPS which chews battery. It also lets you disable individual apps from checking statuses when the screen is off and then enables them as soon as you turn the screen on. GPS standalone only comes on when the screen is on. I have different profiles for work hours and off hours so it does email instantly while at work and only every 15 minutes in the evening. I have more than doubled my battery life.
Revo + De-crap rom + lock scree/battery indicator mod + Juice Defender Ultimate = best phone available today
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I bought JD Ultimate. Great buy IMHO. I was using set CPU and Setting Profiles which work well. JDU does all that those do and so much more. I have on demand CPU set. wifi only comes on when I am home based on cell signal GPS not the standalone GPS which chews battery. It also lets you disable individual apps from checking statuses when the screen is off and then enables them as soon as you turn the screen on. GPS standalone only comes on when the screen is on. I have different profiles for work hours and off hours so it does email instantly while at work and only every 15 minutes in the evening. I have more than doubled my battery life.
Revo + De-crap rom + lock scree/battery indicator mod + Juice Defender Ultimate = best phone available today
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Absolutely agree! All the same for me!
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lag to re-enable mobile data?
i stopped using JD because I couldnt take the lag and inconsistency with which it would restore mobile data connection on unlock
i tried restoring a backup of JD beta and it actually seems to be more consistent.
i'm curious, how long does JD ultimate take to restore data connection for those who have it?
thx
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i stopped using JD because I couldnt take the lag and inconsistency with which it would restore mobile data connection on unlock
i tried restoring a backup of JD beta and it actually seems to be more consistent.
i'm curious, how long does JD ultimate take to restore data connection for those who have it?
thx
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5 seconds... Maybe 10 if I'm in a bad coverage area. This is 3g only though. No 4g here yet.
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It does take a few seconds to restore connections. And it is a little annoying. Probably 5 seconds for everything to be restored and 100% functioning.
With Ultimate version you can make very detailed customization's. So for example you could tell it not to give access to apps like Facebook to update when the screen is off, and to only turn on Wifi when at a certain GPS location (it uses phone radio for location not the GPS radio so it doesn't use battery), and use processor on demand scaling, and you could set it to only turn off radio's during off hours, say in the evening when the 5 second lag might not be as big an issue. Doing those things would still give you significant improvements in battery use while not causing the hassle of waiting for radio's to turn back on. For example I have mine set to sync email in real time during business hours, and at 15 minute intervals in the evening. So I don't get as much battery life as I potentially could, but I also don't have to wait for it to sync things up while I'm at work.
Right now I have been off the charger for 6.5 hours, and have been checking email regularly, and even flashed the clock mod that just got posted in the development forum, and I'm at 80% battery. Not bad.
Doubt he is "hacking" them. There is installius for the iPhone which is the apparently store cracked equivelant which houses many already cracked ipa's. With that being said many developers are in arms in apples lack of piracy for not checking having a more consistent way of checking authenticity of applications. As long as it keeps up you will see less updates for popular applications and developers moving to different platforms.
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Hello all,
I like to use "Green Power Free" for battery savings. You can download it in the market. It's a free app, i suggest it to all my Android friends.
Now I'm going to have to go back on saying green power. It fails to register the lock/unlock correctly and either never shuts down the modems on a screen lock or never turns them back on after an unlock. Green power works well on my friends Streak and on another friends inc2, so must be the LG magic getting things fuzzy for GP. So back to JD for now.
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cm7 should fix a lot of battery issues and extend it a ton
Hi all
I'm new to android and am having some major issues with my Sony New xperia z.
First off stamina mode is simply not working. It did to start but it's now not changing the expected battery life when toggled on and off. That's just the start though.
Battery life had been absolutely terrible. I have been deliberately stopping myself from using the handset just so I can make it through the day.
I have come from an iPhone 4 and am quite a heavy user normally, my battery always lasted well beyond one day. New I know the screen and processor on this are awesome but I'm literally not going to be able to use any apps or anything if this is the true battery life.:crying:
I noticed that android os was taking the majority of my battery for just if today, screen has since taken over since I got in because I've been searching the net for potential answers.
Android services is up there as well. I installed a battery checker to see if my phone is but going into deep sleep for some reason and found that there had been something like 3000 wakelocks since last charge (unplugged this morning). I'm now down to 3% after about 13.5 hours since unplugged.
Screenshot was from before I started writing this post.
Any help please. If this isn't some sort of bug/fixable errorI might have to see about returning this phone!
Is this amount of wake locks normal? How can I tell what's stopping my phone from sleeping? I'm new to android other than my nexus 7 which had always been amazing in terms of battery.
Thanks all
John
Go into your Google account and disable everything from syncing expert the essentials, logout of talk etc , that should help.
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Use 2g only if u dont use 3g.
It seams that ur phone remain awake all the time.
C that blue line under the graph.
Do you got this problem after installed certain app?
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Battery life is not great, but it's good for me. However, my Xperia Z is rooted and all the non-essential apps and services disabled (pretty much everything of Sony's).
Can last for a whole day from morning 8am to night 12pm, and still left about 20%. Heavy user, 5 hours screen-on time, surfing, calls, text/whatsapp, and a couple of videos for about 30min.
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Battery life is not great, but it's good for me. However, my Xperia Z is rooted and all the non-essential apps and services disabled (pretty much everything of Sony's).
Can last for a whole day from morning 8am to night 12pm, and still left about 20%. Heavy user, 5 hours screen-on time, surfing, calls, text/whatsapp, and a couple of videos for about 30min.
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think you mean 12am lol..
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think you mean 12am lol..
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lol yah it's not much to crow about if it lasts till only 12pm noon.
Hi guys
So I've charged it overnight, and this morning I've purposefully turned Stamina mode off (though the number doesn't change from 20 hours either way, Stamina mode is definitely broken on my handset!)
I've also turned off a load of location service options from within maps, as per a solution I found on a google forum (but it won't let me post the link as I'm still a noob!)
It sounds like lots of people have had similar issues with Android 4.1.2. Dare I hope that Sony release the 4.2.2 update as quickly as rumoured and that this will fix these issues!?
I'll report back in later on the battery use. So far only used 7% since being unplugged at 8:30am, and i have made a few long calls this morning (I use the phone for work as well as play )
I really haven't been using Apps all that much at all. I haven't even tried Google Talk yet. I am a games man really, so hopefully I can get the battery life sorted so I can make use of this phone to its full capability.
I don't want to disable 3G as I see this as standard operating functionality, and I usually use my phone to browse the web, check emails, check facebook, use whatsapp, stream youtube vids, everything you would expect a connected smartphone to do. I suppose what I'm saying is I don't want to disable anything that takes away from how I would actually use the handset, otherwise even if the battery lasts, its not doing what I need it to. It would be like a paperweight with a long lasting battery... pointless.
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, I really appreciate all the support. Fingers crossed I get a better day out of it today! Watch this space.
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Much better today. I've had to use it for quite a few calls, watched a couple of vids and listened to a couple of tracks plus played about 4-5 levels on angry birds space. I'm at 56%remaining after 9 hours on battery. This is with stamina mode off. 1 hour 37 mins of screen time.
To be fair it's still not as good as I had hoped, but this at least means it'll likely last till bedtime with some battery remaining. I get the feeling that tomorrow it migot be even better. Also I think once the 4.2.2 update is released it will probably improve. I also get the feeling it may have improved after I opened YouTube and Google talk for the first time - almost as if android was holding its breath until I opened them. Could it have been holding out for me to open them so they could complete initial setups or something?
All this being said, after being on here for only about 5-10 minutes to write this post I'm now down to 51% all of a sudden!
Wrong thread.
Hi there, So did you manage to fix the stamina mode? I'm having the same problem. Turning stamina mode on or off doesn't change the idle time left. Though this is my second day using and only second charge.
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Hi there, So did you manage to fix the stamina mode? I'm having the same problem. Turning stamina mode on or off doesn't change the idle time left. Though this is my second day using and only second charge.
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I believe stamina mode kicks in when You switch the screen on.
On the couple of first day, when You play with Your new phone all day long with full brightness, it could run out pretty quick (less than 9 hours I had).
I got my Xperia Z on release day in UK and to be honest, I've been checking 'battery issues' threads for all day long
Two days ago, I did a proper test eg 'everyday use'. Phone battery lasted nearly two full days :good:
Basicaly I upluged Z from charger 6 in the morning and I died on me NEXT day when i sat on sofa around 8 pm watching Youtube with headphones on. So I got over 2 hours constant screen on with music before it died.
Through the rest of the time i managed to get over 2 hours of screen time, answering over 12 calls, sending loads of messages and checking facebook, xda, twitter and instagram countless times :highfive:
1 day 13 hours 24 minutes
And here is the screen time.
My stamina is set to allow gmail only, which obviously tells me if I sold anything on ebay, got interaction on any of my websites.
My screen brightness was set to automatic with slider full to the right.
Vibration when touching screen are off since day one (don't really like it )
I was worried about battery too. From thinking it is not good, I've changed my opinion to its WAY better than S and Ip5 (which i own still until i sell them on ebay). Hope this clears things up for anyone. Ohh, phone was ran to flat out once on release day, then full charge and flat 2 times before this.
Now I have to say, I absolutely LOVE THIS PHONE now!
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Is it time to try a custom rom?
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Hi there, So did you manage to fix the stamina mode? I'm having the same problem. Turning stamina mode on or off doesn't change the idle time left. Though this is my second day using and only second charge.
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Hi there - nope. Stamina mode is bust for me. I'm not bothered enough to factory reset again though. I'm still experiencing intermittent battery issues, like today for example I took it out the wall at 6:35, I'm already down to 66%. To be fair, I've watched a couple of 2-3 mins videos on Youtube, used a bit of tethering (about 5 minutes) and sent a few texts, but this is way higher than I would expect. By contrast, yesterday the battery seemed to last pretty well, but then I was working from home, so there was very little in the way of searching for signal etc.
I've contacted Sony about this, and their official line is to download PC Companion software and do a "software repair" (through their usual updating route) I'm going to probably give this a go over the weekend, but it has warned me that I might lose my data... so it might be the equivalent of a factory reset anyway.
I'm a bit sick about worrying about battery life now - getting a new handset should be exciting and I should just be enjoying the features of this superphone. Instead I'm deliberately not using it to make sure I don't run out of juice. Starting to wonder what the point in having it is.
As a newbie, I don't know much about rooting and using non-stock software - does anyone know if:
Its easy to do (I am fairly computer literate at least)?
There are custom roms I could use for the Xperia Z?
It would likely help the battery life?
Thanks again all
shakalek said:
I believe stamina mode kicks in when You switch the screen on.
On the couple of first day, when You play with Your new phone all day long with full brightness, it could run out pretty quick (less than 9 hours I had).
I got my Xperia Z on release day in UK and to be honest, I've been checking 'battery issues' threads for all day long
Two days ago, I did a proper test eg 'everyday use'. Phone battery lasted nearly two full days :good:
Basicaly I upluged Z from charger 6 in the morning and I died on me NEXT day when i sat on sofa around 8 pm watching Youtube with headphones on. So I got over 2 hours constant screen on with music before it died.
Through the rest of the time i managed to get over 2 hours of screen time, answering over 12 calls, sending loads of messages and checking facebook, xda, twitter and instagram countless times :highfive:
1 day 13 hours 24 minutes
And here is the screen time.
My stamina is set to allow gmail only, which obviously tells me if I sold anything on ebay, got interaction on any of my websites.
My screen brightness was set to automatic with slider full to the right.
Vibration when touching screen are off since day one (don't really like it )
I was worried about battery too. From thinking it is not good, I've changed my opinion to its WAY better than S and Ip5 (which i own still until i sell them on ebay). Hope this clears things up for anyone. Ohh, phone was ran to flat out once on release day, then full charge and flat 2 times before this.
Now I have to say, I absolutely LOVE THIS PHONE now!
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Well, that's me jealous as hell then! I'm going to do the software repair, as obviously I do have some issues with the battery (rather than me just being paranoid, and it being normal to get the battery usage I've been receiving)
Agreed. I just one good battery life not great. Enough to last a day with moderate-heavy usage. I don't mind charging at night. But charging every half a day is ridiculous..
Anyways I too have my stamina broken. Now i'm doing the software repair. hopefully it'll be okay. I really hope that after a few weeks the XZ can last long..
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Agreed. I just one good battery life not great. Enough to last a day with moderate-heavy usage. I don't mind charging at night. But charging every half a day is ridiculous..
Anyways I too have my stamina broken. Now i'm doing the software repair. hopefully it'll be okay. I really hope that after a few weeks the XZ can last long..
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I'm hoping that when they release the Android 4.2.2 update it'll help too. I've read lots of forums about people getting poor battery life when upgrading to 4.1.2 (which the Z comes with as standard) but these being fixed when upgrading to 4.2.2. So hopefully they'll release it as quickly as the rumours suggest and this can help.
I've certainly got no battery problems whatsoever on my Nexus 7 on 4.2.2, but then its a totally different device.
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I'm hoping that when they release the Android 4.2.2 update it'll help too. I've read lots of forums about people getting poor battery life when upgrading to 4.1.2 (which the Z comes with as standard) but these being fixed when upgrading to 4.2.2. So hopefully they'll release it as quickly as the rumours suggest and this can help.
I've certainly got no battery problems whatsoever on my Nexus 7 on 4.2.2, but then its a totally different device.
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to be honest, 4.2 and 4.2.1 on my nexus 7 just killed the battery.
it was no where near as good as 4.1.2 or 4.1.1...
hoping that 4.2.2 is optimised a bit better
Trust me even if the Stamina Mode doesn't look llike it is working there is still a big difference having it off and On, yes the phone is being woken up but still not as much as with it off.
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Agreed. I just one good battery life not great. Enough to last a day with moderate-heavy usage. I don't mind charging at night. But charging every half a day is ridiculous..
Anyways I too have my stamina broken. Now i'm doing the software repair. hopefully it'll be okay. I really hope that after a few weeks the XZ can last long..
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Let me know how it goes and also if it deletes data from the handset - I'm looking to do it this weekend; can't afford to not be able to use my phone for any length of time during the week as its my work phone too.
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I'm hoping that when they release the Android 4.2.2 update it'll help too. I've read lots of forums about people getting poor battery life when upgrading to 4.1.2 (which the Z comes with as standard) but these being fixed when upgrading to 4.2.2. So hopefully they'll release it as quickly as the rumours suggest and this can help.
I've certainly got no battery problems whatsoever on my Nexus 7 on 4.2.2, but then its a totally different device.
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i was having the same problem stamina mode worked fine but than for no reason it stopped and i could see the % drop before my eyes, but then i did a factory reset to the handset and it was fine after that works perfectly, def not a solution as there is no need for such a talked about feature to be so unreliable having said that after i did my factory reset i had it on 100% for 5 hours on standby with 15 min of screen time , just goes to show how awsome something is if it worked as advertised
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i was having the same problem stamina mode worked fine but than for no reason it stopped and i could see the % drop before my eyes, but then i did a factory reset to the handset and it was fine after that works perfectly, def not a solution as there is no need for such a talked about feature to be so unreliable having said that after i did my factory reset i had it on 100% for 5 hours on standby with 15 min of screen time , just goes to show how awsome something is if it worked as advertised
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Yeah, the factory reset worked for me too... for a day or so. Then boom, went to check it and it was doing the old 20 hours, no difference thing. Real pain the posterior.
In a funny sort of way, I'm glad that others aren't experiencing the same battery issues as me, as it confirms that its something that's not quite working right with my handset, rather than it being as its supposed to be, and hopefully a firmware release or simply doing Sony's suggested software repair will fix it.
On the other hand, it does make me feel that "Why is it always me?" feeling!
I've been revamping this thread for new devices for years hoping to share some of the love with newer users. Over the time I've been on android, I've learned a few simple things that can greatly assist in the battery life of our wonderful smartphones.
If you get anything out of the thread, please don't hesitate to rate it and drop me a thanks!
If you read the thread and like the tips, have a new one to suggest, or have a revision, please post it.
On a similar note, moderators, thanks for the sticky!
General Lithium Ion Battery Information - This link includes stuff about charging, including trickle charging aka SBC (Why NOT to use it, or at your own peril)
My tips for good battery life:
Tips for both Rooted and Non-Rooted users
1.Turn off all radios when not in use.
(Bluetooth, wifi, data, 4G/Wimax/LTE, NFC, etc) Use a widget like the default power widgets, Switchpro, or a similar app from the market. *Many rooted ROMs generally allows users to access these radios and other settings from the notification pulldown menu.* The radios of the phone draw power if on even if the user isn't actually utilizing the radio's functions. A radio searching for signal (if you are in a low-signal area) drains more than a radio with good signal, so again, turn 'em off when you aren't using 'em.
To manually turn off radios without a toggle, go to Settings>wireless & networks. This can be accessed from the notification pulldown and hitting the cog icon.
Wifi uses less battery than 3G, so use wifi when you can. Another important setting to note is more dependent on the user. If you live in an area without 4G LTE coverage (check here to see), then go into Settings>Mobile data>Network Mode and check CDMA Only. This will prevent your phone from unnecessarily searching for LTE coverage, which wastes a ton of battery life.
3. I love live wallpapers, and I’ve always been a fan of pixel zombies, but they are really only good for showing off due to their battery drain.
4. Set your screen timeout/brightness to something that fits you.
The screen is the highest drain of battery power on any smartphone. BY setting the timeout, you can prevent your phone from staying on when you don’t manually turn off the screen. Also, manually turn off your screen when you’re done with your phone.
Another huge tip is to turn on automatic brightness (it is enabled by default). This greatly reduces power consumption by constantly changing the brightness of your display, tailoring it to your needs.
Settings>Display, gestures & buttons>Sleep
I use 30 seconds.
4. Task killers used to be all the rage, but no longer.
Here is the ultimate, in depth, graphically assisted, explanation by the famous Fresh ROM's chef, Flipz. Shortly, in light of recent testing, really don’t do anything but force apps that the android OS needed to be open, and thus didn’t close, to re-open. So try not using them, unless for stuff like trying to figure out why your phone isn’t sleeping with system panel. You really won’t notice a performance difference, and the adverse effects you aren’t seeing will stop
+=+ A good alternative is the application SystemPanel Pro. It has a free version, but I highly reccomend purchasing the paid app. It basically monitors everything going on with your phone's usage both in real time an in terms of usage history. If your battery is draiging fast, it tells you what app was doing it, how much it was doing it, and allows you to stop it.
5. I'm sure you have all heard around that your phone isn't "sleeping".
This is referring to the phone's "awake" time, hence the name. When you go to Settings>Power>History. You can compare the lines from awake to screen on versus time on. "Time on battery" refers to the amount of time since the last reboot. The "awake time" is how long the screen has been active. The problem is, a lot of the time, due to the endless possibilities of inconsistencies between apps/ROMs/kernels/phones, the phone will not go to "sleep", drawing power proportionate to the screen being in use when it reality the phone is sitting idle.
If you compare these times and they are the same, or if you note the difference (turn off the screen for a minute, then re-check and they are the same), then your phone is not sleeping.
One solution is to reboot.
I recommend two apps to help monitor:System Panel and Better Battery Stats. These two apps (explained in their FAQ's and descriptions greatly aid in finding those rogues.
Usually, SystemPanel will show an app that has gone "rogue" and is keeping your phone awake.
-This is done by hitting menu>settings>monitoring enabled. Then after some time has passed, ht menu>monitoring>history>change tab to top apps, and see if anything is above, say, 2-4%.
Uninstall applications/reinstalling them slowly, checking after every install to see what is causing it is one tedious but surefire solution.
Lastly,
Follow these steps that I have discovered almost always work.
1. Reboot phone.
2. Instantly upon reboot, as soon as you gain control, open up some type of monitor/taskkiller
3. "kill all" tasks on startup; about 2 times in quick succession should do the trick.
4. Turn off the screen and leave it for about five minutes.
5. Check the up time v. awake time and see if they are the same.
6. If they are, repeat steps 1-5. If they are different, you are good.
6. Apps and Combinations to watch out for!
-Facebook- Tries to sync live feed all the time, HIGHLY recommend unchecking this box, as it creates a massive draw on data
-Skype- This app reportedly (I've seen it myself) likes to sync random data and open up the network for fun. Sign out of app when not in use to fix
-GTalk- This application keeps you constantly connected to all of our google contacts across of your accounts. I have several accounts that I must maintain, and by default the application had me signed in and maintaining a connection with all of them. Open GTalk, then hit each account and sign out to neutralize this puppy. Unless of course you want to stay signed in.
7. Manage your syncing.
This is a big one, and it differs from person to person. Go to Settings>Accounts and Sync, and take a look at what's going on there. Listed app titles means that there is an account syncing data. I, for example, have four email addresses, facebook, dropbox, box, weather, etc. That is bad. You should go through and turn off syncing for nasty apps you might not have known were accessing the internet, or limit the access of apps and services that you do want to allow.
The problem lies in the way this syncing is handled. Each app/service runs on its own schedule, making it particularly likely that your phone could almost always be establishing a data connection and trying to download data for your various apps. See step 2 regarding the app Juice Defender to handle this problem.
8. Vibrate/Haptic Settings
Vibration and haptic feedback eat up a surprising amount of battery. If you have the haptic feedback enabled, then every time you press anything your phone puts out some juice to make itself dance.
Settings>Sound>Vibrate on touch
Some apps have their own haptic feedback settings, and notifications are their own set entirely.
Tips for Rooted users:
1. Try out custom kernels.
By going to the Sprint HTC One Android Development section of the forums, you can see all of the different kernels being developed. These allow for all kinds of modifications like underclocking the CPU and undervolting, both of which save battery. To see how to use them, read the FAQ's in each thread's OPs.
Here is a great guide to custom kernel's by mroneeyedboh.
2. Use Rom Toolbox Pro, SetCPU, or some CPU clocking app in compliance with whatever your custom kernel allows.
This site will explain the basics of SetCPU: http://www.setcpu.com/
-Profiles from SetCPU should usually involve these for battery life optimization:
-Screen off at the minimum clock speed for both, with the max raised on level if sluggishness is apparent
-A temperature greater than “X”
-General power related profiles that lower cpu speed at lower battery levels
(Note that setcpu has fallen off of the radar, but clocking your cpu to levels that suit your needs is still viable, although many argue that the android system's core management should best be left alone. Read up for yourself and make an educated decision)
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*Some apps or processes begin to run at startup and keep the phone awake. These apps are not detected by things like spare parts or system panel, unless sometimes represented in the "system" process, in which case its usage will be unusually high.
This shouldn't take more than three repeats, and if it does, you need to factory reset, and slowly add apps back to see what's causing the problem.
___----When it comes to people claiming 20 plus hours of moderate/heavy use out of their current setup or other ridiculous absurdities, consider my position: No matter what you do, the cellphone battery is the cellphone battery. You can tweak it and customize it with kernels, ROMs, and settings, but none of that will turn it into a car battery. The main problem (besides a false sense of pride) that leads to these reports is the misunderstanding of what the usage levels are, so here’s my best summary:
* *Light usage – Phone screen actually on for maybe 0-2 hours. Things like a few texts, some emails, 20 minutes web browsing, etc.
* *Moderate usage – You watched a few youtube videos or similar apps, sustained web browsing, hundreds of texts, some games. Hours range from about 2-5 of screen on
* *Heavy usage – LOTS of video watching and games, pictures or video recording, or some high def gaming/movie watching for at least an hour to an hour and a half in total, with lots of emails and texts, browsing, and other app shenanigans. 5+ hours
*I’m sure everyone doesn't agree with all these numbers, but this is most likely a good average of what powerusers think. All specific hourage may vary due to differences in phones, batteries, ROMs, and kernels… Which also means that most battery comparisons are pointless; it’s only what you can improve on that counts!
I’ll update this whenever I see good stuff, people remind me, or I remember/come across things I do.
Hope it helps everybody!
Hit the "THANKS" button if I help you!
Good thread, we need more informational threads like this.
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* *Heavy usage – LOTS of video watching and games, 3D pics or video, or some high def gaming/movie watching for at least an hour to an hour and a half in total, with lots of emails and texts, browsing, and other app shenanigans. 5+ hours
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This isn't the Evo 3d forum Bio . Good to see another 3vo user around these parts haha.
Stickied for the time being
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This isn't the Evo 3d forum Bio . Good to see another 3vo user around these parts haha.
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Haha yep!
Nice catch though, there was a lot there to change.
Hello Biofall,
I was wondering how effective is the Snapdragon BatteryGuru app from qualcomm vs juice defender if you ever tried that app before? I have used juice defender with my EVO 3D but I didn't liked the that the app was turning off Wimax even tough my phone was charging while using it.
Not only are we fighting the screen. We are fighting the quad core processor. It seems to be very aggressive.
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Well done.
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Not only are we fighting the screen. We are fighting the quad core processor. It seems to be very aggressive.
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It's aggressive when it feels the need to ramp up. When installing several apps, the damn thing actually gets hot to the point where I put it in the freezer. [edit: this is dumb according to the device's thermal protection] I know that the components shouldn't be reaching those temps....
I'm on the lookout for more info on explicit effects of the quad core on battery life and direct ways to combat it.
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Thanks! I've been scouring for empirical info for years and I owe a lot of thanks to other people.
Turn off Juice defender. In fact, uninstall it. You will see your battery life is actually improved.
Leave the quad core component alone. If the cores aren't being used, they're offline. Offline is essentially 0 power consumption. The only case I can see improving battery by disabling cores would be for games. Otherwise, its probably detrimental.
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Turn off Juice defender. In fact, uninstall it. You will see your battery life is actually improved.
Leave the quad core component alone. If the cores aren't being used, they're offline. Offline is essentially 0 power consumption. The only case I can see improving battery by disabling cores would be for games. Otherwise, its probably detrimental.
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Juice defender has a large multitude of components. If some parts use more power for you, then you should post which of them you believe they were, before and after, possibly with battery graph screenshots.
On the last quad-core device that I had used there was a problem where the cores would ramp up unnecessarily for small tasks, so there is certainly a possibility for improvement.
On an unrelated note, there are other things that I want to add to this thread, including screenshots, so if anyone has anything to add, just tell me.
What I don't get is that a lot people seem to believe they know better than HTC's engineers. Doing things like forcing off cores, how do you know that's really saving power? For all you know, the power loss of enabling an extra core for a small task is insignificant to ramping up an already active core to do the same thing.
Sure there are some things you can do to improve power usage (such as avoiding wakelocks) but if you start changing numbers for how internal software power functions work, you should have some damn good reasons why. Even a graph isn't going to be terribly accurate unless you can substantiate the gains across multiple tests. Many of the improvements people mention often have an impact of less than 1% over the course of an entire charge, and that's nearly impossible to even measure. The battery percentage indicator is only an estimation and not only varies between device, but even varies based on the temperature!
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What I don't get is that a lot people seem to believe they know better than HTC's engineers. Doing things like forcing off cores, how do you know that's really saving power? For all you know, the power loss of enabling an extra core for a small task is insignificant to ramping up an already active core to do the same thing.
Sure there are some things you can do to improve power usage (such as avoiding wakelocks) but if you start changing numbers for how internal software power functions work, you should have some damn good reasons why. Even a graph isn't going to be terribly accurate unless you can substantiate the gains across multiple tests. Many of the improvements people mention often have an impact of less than 1% over the course of an entire charge, and that's nearly impossible to even measure. The battery percentage indicator is only an estimation and not only varies between device, but even varies based on the temperature!
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Sure man, sure. There are surely negatives associated with turning off, down, or generally altering core performance. However, taking the decisions that HTC engineers coupled with HTC software designers implemented for mass consumption as the best option for all users is foolish. The reason we have a development community revolves around that concept.
Several of the things I talk about have an impact in terms of hours the device can function without being plugged into an outlet, which has little to nothing to do with battery percent levels.
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Sure man, sure. There are surely negatives associated with turning off, down, or generally altering core performance. However, taking the decisions that HTC engineers coupled with HTC software designers implemented for mass consumption as the best option for all users is foolish. The reason we have a development community revolves around that concept.
Several of the things I talk about have an impact in terms of hours the device can function without being plugged into an outlet, which has little to nothing to do with battery percent levels.
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Battery percent or how long the device is on is still a hard comparison to make.
You could do the EXACT SAME THING on the phone twice, from full charge to dead, and you'd get a different length of time. Batteries aren't that consistent.
A couple things that bother me:
1. You stick the phone in the freezer because it gets warm. The phone already has thermal protections that keep it from overheating. The CPU can deal with far greater heat than you know (70C isn't even a problem). Anandtech was able to run it through the entire gauntlet of its tests (which are much harder on the device than just installing apps) without it ever triggering thermal protection. Most thermal protections exist solely for the battery's sake, which in itself can deal with 50C while charging, or even higher when not.
2. In almost all cases, it is better to let the CPU drive itself as fast and as hard as possible in order to finish tasks. Let it turn on all the cores and such. Because once it's done, it can go back into deep sleep, where everything is off. This is why almost all phones, not just HTC ones, are designed to do just that.
I agree with Felnarion's sentiment. Juice Defender is probably wasting more power just measuring your battery usage than it is helping you save.
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Sure man, sure. There are surely negatives associated with turning off, down, or generally altering core performance. However, taking the decisions that HTC engineers coupled with HTC software designers implemented for mass consumption as the best option for all users is foolish. The reason we have a development community revolves around that concept.
Several of the things I talk about have an impact in terms of hours the device can function without being plugged into an outlet, which has little to nothing to do with battery percent levels.
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Battery percent or how long the device is on is still a hard comparison to make.
You could do the EXACT SAME THING on the phone twice, from full charge to dead, and you'd get a different length of time. Batteries aren't that consistent.
A couple things that bother me:
1. You stick the phone in the freezer because it gets warm. The phone already has thermal protections that keep it from overheating. The CPU can deal with far greater heat than you know (70C isn't even a problem). Anandtech was able to run it through the entire gauntlet of its tests (which are much harder on the device than just installing apps) without it ever triggering thermal protection. Most thermal protections exist solely for the battery's sake, which in itself can deal with 50C while charging, or even higher when not.
2. In almost all cases, it is better to let the CPU drive itself as fast and as hard as possible in order to finish tasks. Let it turn on all the cores and such. Because once it's done, it can go back into deep sleep, where everything is off. This is why almost all phones, not just HTC ones, are designed to do just that.
I agree with Felnarion's sentiment. Juice Defender is probably wasting more power just measuring your battery usage than it is helping you save.
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You could do the same thing and get different results, but in reality strong trends in usage are reflected in battery life.
As for this the CPU discussion, all that I said was that I'd like to look at more in depth studies or core process handling. So it bothers me too.
In regards to JD, it won't be making it into the next revision of the thread, as I have noticed unnecessary draw. Honestly android implemented most of the vital operations into the OS, so it is mostly useless coupled with the other tips and just general awareness.
Finally, the xda app is acting up, sorry for the clutter.
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Thanks for the write up. I went from being a little unimpressed by battery life to blown away. Biggest saver from stock is dropping all the SYNC stuff. Totally unnecessary IMO. If you aren't consuming the news and updates (you know actually in the app), you probably don't need it refreshing. Still baffles me this is the from-the-factory type setup.
Phone used to eat 5-10% of my charge per hour with light use and barely make it through my "day" (~15hr away from charger). Now, after 6hrs. since it's been off the charger, I'm still at 91%.
Kill LTE and go to CDMA only if you don't have it in your area either, or it's still rolling out. Seemed to help too.
EDIT: And I should note my scores are with never letting the Data Connection completely sleep, so I can still get emails as they come in which I find important.
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Here's another tip: Go into Google Talk and make sure to sign yourself out if you don't use/care for the service.
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Thanks for the write up. I went from being a little unimpressed by battery life to blown away. Biggest saver from stock is dropping all the SYNC stuff. Totally unnecessary IMO. If you aren't consuming the news and updates (you know actually in the app), you probably don't need it refreshing. Still baffles me this is the from-the-factory type setup.
Phone used to eat 5-10% of my charge per hour with light use and barely make it through my "day" (~15hr away from charger). Now, after 6hrs. since it's been off the charger, I'm still at 91%.
Kill LTE and go to CDMA only if you don't have it in your area either, or it's still rolling out. Seemed to help too.
EDIT: And I should note my scores are with never letting the Data Connection completely sleep, so I can still get emails as they come in which I find important.
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Here's another tip: Go into Google Talk and make sure to sign yourself out if you don't use/care for the service.
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Solid tips man. Will update the OP. I always forget to change my mobile data to CDMA only. Also, I had three accounts signed into gtalk, which was unnecessary.
Biofall,
Nice thread.. Very very nice.
The battery issue --
When it comes to people claiming 20 plus hours of moderate/heavy use out of their current setup or other ridiculous absurdities
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While I actually agree with what you say I do feel a bit different. I base mine on previous usage.
My days really fall into one of three areas. When you get old like me you will see your days are all about the same. :crying: My heavy use is going to be someone else light day.
For me I can judge based on different phones, kernels and roms. The 4g days I needed to have a charger at my desk. There was no way I could get through a whole day regardless of how many calls I made.
Now I am judging verse the LTE I had and and very surprised on how well its holding up even on
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heavy days.
Have you had time to try this yet? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2230403
Not sure it works, like you said some of these apps just use more than they save. I am going to see what happens over the next few days and see if I can see differences.
Your Facebook and sync statement, man do those hit home! I still have a few phones at work that these guys don't get it.
Gtalk.. beh turns on when you flash a new rom.. People have to remember to go back and shut that sucker off!
Thanks for your post, I am going to show a few people this, maybe it will open their eyes.
Morning all.
Something that has been slightly bothering me since I got this phone....it has a massive battery, it can be heavily customised with roms, xposed modules, magisk modules and all manner of tweaks. Probably one of the most open and dev-friendly devices I've ever had.
Yet, no matter what I do the only way I have ever been able to get more than 2 days out of a battery is to literally not use the phone.
I have had devices in the past such as Xperia Z3 Compact, S7 Active and others with smaller battery that were easily able to push 3 days with regular use. Hell, the Z3C was able to get up to 5 days with a little bit of trickery turning off radios when not in use etc.
Is the extra diagonal inch of screen realestate really enough to destroy the battery longevity? Typically with normal usage I am seeing 2 days with about 4.5 hours of screen-on time.
I've experimented with just about everything to push this out including no official facebook apps, decreased resolution, medium power-saving mode, kernel tweaks (currently using TGP rom and kernel), auto-sync turned off. Going beyond this I feel like you may as well just use a push-button device.
Any devs care to comment? What is the main factor that eats the battery on the Note 9? Is the exynos processor just not that power-efficient? Am I missing some hidden gem?
I guess the next step would be to transition to an AOSP based rom where the customisation is not constrained by baked-in samsung features but again, this is giving up a lot including proper s-pen functionality.
I recently kitted out an LG V30+ for my wife and it is just insane to me that a phone which only has a 3300mah battery can get the same life as the Note9 or better.
Is there some strategy I have missed or is this really the best we can hope for? Seems like an extremely inefficient use of 4000mah to me.
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Morning all.
Something that has been slightly bothering me since I got this phone....it has a massive battery, it can be heavily customised with roms, xposed modules, magisk modules and all manner of tweaks. Probably one of the most open and dev-friendly devices I've ever had.
Yet, no matter what I do the only way I have ever been able to get more than 2 days out of a battery is to literally not use the phone.
I have had devices in the past such as Xperia Z3 Compact, S7 Active and others with smaller battery that were easily able to push 3 days with regular use. Hell, the Z3C was able to get up to 5 days with a little bit of trickery turning off radios when not in use etc.
Is the extra diagonal inch of screen realestate really enough to destroy the battery longevity? Typically with normal usage I am seeing 2 days with about 4.5 hours of screen-on time.
I've experimented with just about everything to push this out including no official facebook apps, decreased resolution, medium power-saving mode, kernel tweaks (currently using TGP rom and kernel), auto-sync turned off. Going beyond this I feel like you may as well just use a push-button device.
Any devs care to comment? What is the main factor that eats the battery on the Note 9? Is the exynos processor just not that power-efficient? Am I missing some hidden gem?
I guess the next step would be to transition to an AOSP based rom where the customisation is not constrained by baked-in samsung features but again, this is giving up a lot including proper s-pen functionality.
I recently kitted out an LG V30+ for my wife and it is just insane to me that a phone which only has a 3300mah battery can get the same life as the Note9 or better.
Is there some strategy I have missed or is this really the best we can hope for? Seems like an extremely inefficient use of 4000mah to me.
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This is what you get when you use a high performance chip.
If it was like cars.. just because the gas tank is big (battery) doesn't mean that the engine won't consume the fuel faster than a more Efficient engine (cpu) with less power.
Other phones might be able to last 3 days, but they also dont have the performance capabilities. Turn on extreme power saving and see how long the phone lasts ...
I'm using stock unbranded ROM. I also adp uninstalled all the Facebook system apps (devil-ware). With Pie + OneUI + Night mode + Dark UI apps, it's the first time I love stock. I bet your non-stock ROM + TGP is the culprit.
I charge nightly on a wireless charge pad; easy on the battery. In Device Care, I run the default "Optimized" setting. I use it moderately for the first 12 hours of my working day (meetings phone calls), and I often have 85-90% charge left at that point. I then use the phone HEAVILY for the next 4 hours (watching video, reading, etc.), and at that point I am never below 50% (often 60-70) when I put it back on the charge pad, go to sleep, and start the whole thing over again. I have the US version (Snapdragon), darkmode and auto brightness is always on, and I use Automate to toggle my wifi off when not home and back on when home. Other than that, I have gps, bluetooth, and phone data always on. Bluetooth pairs with my watch and car, and gps auto-toggles by the kernel whenever I load maps or whenever my Life360 app updates my location (every few minutes).
That's all fairly normal use with a bit of power-savings thought into it. If you cannot get similar performance without your screen brightness jacked way up and wifi always on (that eats battery as you move around), then maybe you have a power-hungry app. Check your Device Care section of Settings, and start watching your "Usage by apps".
Also, it's better to slow-charge than fast-charge (wears it out more quickly). And you are better off charging nightly than waiting two days until it's very low.
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I charge nightly on a wireless charge pad; easy on the battery. In Device Care, I run the default "Optimized" setting. I use it moderately for the first 12 hours of my working day (meetings phone calls), and I often have 85-90% charge left at that point. I then use the phone HEAVILY for the next 4 hours (watching video, reading, etc.), and at that point I am never below 50% (often 60-70) when I put it back on the charge pad, go to sleep, and start the whole thing over again. I have the US version (Snapdragon), darkmode and auto brightness is always on, and I use Automate to toggle my wifi off when not home and back on when home. Other than that, I have gps, bluetooth, and phone data always on. Bluetooth pairs with my watch and car, and gps auto-toggles by the kernel whenever I load maps or whenever my Life360 app updates my location (every few minutes).
That's all fairly normal use with a bit of power-savings thought into it. If you cannot get similar performance without your screen brightness jacked way up and wifi always on (that eats battery as you move around), then maybe you have a power-hungry app. Check your Device Care section of Settings, and start watching your "Usage by apps".
Also, it's better to slow-charge than fast-charge (wears it out more quickly). And you are better off charging nightly than waiting two days until it's very low.
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A lot of people don't realize the huge difference that your cellular connection strength makes a difference on your battery.
Try working in a all brick/stone bank building, where 250kb/s is a good 4g download speed... Then see what your battery looks like after a few hours.
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A lot of people don't realize the huge difference that your cellular connection strength makes a difference on your battery.
Try working in a all brick/stone bank building, where 250kb/s is a good 4g download speed... Then see what your battery looks like after a few hours.
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YEP!
And same goes for wifi.....
wifi and cell radios can really eat up battery if they are trying to maintain a connection in areas where wifi/phone signal is weak. And app like Tasker or Automate can toggle these on and off, depending on your location, and really save battery.
Well, that probably explains a few things. I moved in to a SOLID brick building recently with double glazing everywhere and multiple solid brick internal walls. First time I've ever battled for cell and wifi signal...that does explain a lot. I guess 2 days is still pretty good. Might end up with one of those 10,000mah Chinafones eventually ;p
Last night my phone was on 81%, so I decided not to charge it because today is Saturday so no rush. I turned on battery saver and went to sleep. Imagine my surprise, after 8 hours of sleep battery was51%. Thats 30% loss of charge with battery saver enabled and phone left to just rest. That's shocking. I've seen 8-10% loss on a new phone, because the first couple of days you just install your apps and move your stuff like music, videos, pics etc and the phone needs to optimize all the new stuff and still learning your pattern of use. But after two months it should have settled down by now. Considered the fact that it stays on charger overnight at business days so it has enough time to optimize. It's quite clean and debloated, it's the official UK variant bought directly from Vodafone. I guess that instead of enjoying my weekend I will spend my time trying to tackle the issue. Don't get me wrong - the general impression of the phone is positive, but I believe Xiaomi have a long way ahead of them to mature the MIUI and take care of such nonsense. They brag about being second in shipment of phones worldwide but if you ask me they are way behind in software development. I mean seriously, even the official ota update you get is called "stable version". It's like they're experimenting. This is the major reason why apple and sammy are not scared of Xiaomi. Just because miui is still immature experiment. Huawei on the other hand was very mature software wise before they were screwed up so badly.
On the general there's quite few things that are quite annoying. I mean, ghost touches on the display, questionable fingerprint reader, despite the fact I don't use screen protector and got rid of the foil it came with. Now I have a ghost alarm. I use to wake up at 5:50 every morning but I moved to a different place so now I can sleep till 6:40. But whatever I do the alarm at 5:50 is still there. Active. I deleted all the alarms, cleaned cache and storage, whatever. I wake up at 5:50 every morning. The NFC chip is quite wonky too. Sometimes it works from like 5 centimeters distance, other times it doesn't even work at all, or just giving you error. It's like the phone is in deep sleep and you have to unlock it and play with it couple of minutes to make sure your contactless payment works. Never seen anything like that. I come from oneplus and despite being two year old phone contactless payment worked like a charm. Every single time. I don't see myself with this phone two years from now.
Well, I got no problems with battery drain during my sleeping time. I didn't use it that much yesterday, but as you can see, there is no unusual drain at all.
Buddy have a look at my thread for battery drain
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Buddy have a look at my thread for battery drain
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Thanks. Will do. But being completely stock it might be difficult.
Nothing you can't do even with stock and no root, if you need any help just ask