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[Q] Basic Question in regards to why

I would start this off by giving all the developers a big thank you! I'm not the only person here that appreciates what they have done for the community of Android and other OS based phones and tablets.
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
Why hasn't someone come up with a rom that mimic's the original purpose of the nook? What I mean by this, is create a rom that for all intents and purposes looks and acts like the original nook with the rest of the features hidden?
Again, this is just me, I still give thanks to all the developers and appreciate their hard work.

I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features

Hi,
Depends what you want from the Nook Color...
The Google Android market is not available under the stock B&N ROM, so that
is one wonderful feature either rooting or changing ROMs can you give you.
(Rumors say the next version of B&N software will have an limited B&N market)
If you use NC mainly for an eBook reader - Market access lets you also use
Amazon Kindle eBook reader, FBReader, various PDF readers and many others.
Of course there are games, music players & video players, web browsers, news
readers, weather apps, alarm clocks etc. too. Once you start installing applications
it can be interesting to change the base user interface and/or the performance of
the system - customizing & personalizing the NC can be fun too!
Or you can just use it as is, plenty of productive uses for the un-modified NC!
Peter

FroztIkon said:
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
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What you are missing is that modifying the system does not turn it into an over glorified phone.
It turns it into a Galaxy Tab that costs half the price.
The Nook Color is a tablet - onto which B&N then installed a special-purpose color e-reader operating system. By removing that operating system and installing a more general purpose Android operating system, one then has a 7 inch web tablet.
The Nook Color is well-suited to this, because B&N put a lot of their hardware $$ into a very high quality multi-touch display.
That allows the 7-inch size to show that it is the best compromise between portability and visibility.
Like a Kindle e-reader, the NC can be easily held with one hand, fits into a small bag or purse, or large coat pocket, but is large enough to clearly display a full page of text - or else a much bigger portion of a web page than a phone.

hxh103 said:
I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features
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The purpose of the device was as a reader. Why root it, change the rom only to have to download the nook app for the nook? Which is kinda the reason of the question why. Why change the entire thing, then have to download an application that makes it do what it was meant to do.
I'd love to find a rom that has all the same features of Froyo or Gingerbread that doesn't remove the B&N functionality of the reader. Meaning, its a reader without needing to download the nook app.

This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.

Atahachi said:
This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.
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No, I'm being more specific to just one device. I have a Captivate, so according to you, why would I want a modified nook color.
The true purpose of the question, which if you read up, was why modify it, just to download the app for it's purpose.

Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.

hololight said:
Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.
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I agree. It is painful and missing the stock reader is painful as well. I guess I'm missing the point of the full Droid experience.
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You modify or upgrade it firmware is to UPGRADE its functionalities, if you want to use it more than a simple eReader. You'll turn it into a tablet, and/or replace many functions of your phone which it'll be better with the large screen.

the answer can quite simple actually. alot of people didn't buy it to be a reader. they bought it because they knew it could be rooted to be a fairly competent tablet.
afaik, nothing can be really done to make it what you want (stock b&n apps with froyo/gingerbread features) until B&N releases a newer version with Froyo. Its not a matter of the devs wanting to get rid of all the stock apps. if it were possible to maintain the stock apps and incorporate them into a froyo or gingerbread build i'm absolutely sure it would have been done. but i for one don't want the community standing still waiting for B&N to update its stock rom to froyo while great roms like CM7, and Nookie Froyo go undeveloped.
you're free to stay on autonooter (stock rooted) if that's what you want.

In other words: Why on Earth would anyone want to buy something and then make it much better... for free?

Barrist said it best. I didn't buy a nook for the ereader, I bought it for the potential to make it into an Android Tablet, and I'm very happy with it. Also there are MUCH better apps for reading than the Nook app or Kindle app, which is another reason I am happy. If you're interested in the features of different ereader apps, check out the post in the nook color themes and apps section (i'll be posting it later today)
And to answer a question that was implied, there is a dev working on a launcher that will mimic the stock ROM while flashed to another ROM. Although it has caused many issues (that they are trying to resolve) progress is going pretty well from what I understand. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as porting an app over to work, the dev actually has to modify the programming and I don't think he has much help. I think it's just one guy with advice from the community.

For me the purpose is because I don't want a ebook reader. I want the world's first affordable tablet, which a hacked Nook Color is. I never read books, but I use my Nook Color tablet for hours everyday (lots of fruit to cut).
For others the reason is because the stock B&N program only works on Eclair, and frankly Eclair sucks. No Flash, no hardware composite, no bluetooth support on Eclair.

Would you suggest a rooted Nook for a luddite?

I've been looking at posts regarding the Nook Color but there are still some details I can't quite work out.
My father has asked me to buy him a Nook Color and root it. (How often does a 71 year old luddite ask you to root something?) He primarily wants to use it as an eReader while on vacation, but he is keen to also have access to the Android market and his email. I've got him using TuneIn and NPR on his phone.
However I don't want to get it for him if the Nook Color is slow or buggy. After all, I'll be doing all the maintenance and we don't live anywhere near each other. Can anyone answer some questions to help me out?
- How responsive is it running the rooted stock with something like LauncherPro, or Nookie Froyo or CM7? Are screen taps recognized most of the time and do apps trod or fly?
- Do apps crash much? There are posts talking about instability in all the non-standard ROMs and different launchers, but not many posts about the stability people have. Do they work well enough for a non-techie to use?
- Any reasons why he shouldn't use a Nook? I don't want to set it up for him and then spend all my time answering questions. He knows Android well enough as he has a Droid 2.
- Any other relevant questions you think I'm missing?
Any info is appreciated. Thanks!

More experienced users could answer your questions better than I could. I'm just wondering what a luddite is.

I would think that once you have it set up for him if you had rooted it as 2.1 it would be fine, until the B&N 2.2 upgrade. Mine is not buggy nor crash-y. But you'd have to re-set him up after the upgrade.
I use 2.1 rooted, but have played around with froyo and CM7. I like that 2.1 maintains all of the barnes and noble functionality so I can buy and read books with the B&N interface just like stock. I can read magazines, etc.
I have a ton of apps and none crash, no tap lag but the corners of the screen are notoriously un-responsive. In fact I have had no issues with 2.1 rooted whatsoever and would never have known that this is not how it came out of the box.
No flash on 2.1 if that is an issue, but if he has a droid phone I wouldn't really call him a luddite. My MIL can't use a mouse or manage her digital camera- THAT is a luddite.
My biggest gripe is battery life and that is just crap. I have to keep turn wifi on and off when I want it to get more than a days worth of light use out of it. And even doing that I have to fully charge it every other day. That has been kind of an issue with me as this is a hybrid device, so I want it as a e-reader in bed and an android wifi device all day, so the only way for it to work for me is if I charge it on my bedstand everynight.

Stock root for now. When the update hits, he may well be happy with that. Sounds like there will be more app access then.
The touchscreen should be fine for him, as good or better than my Eris.
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SoFresh99 said:
I would think that once you have it set up for him if you had rooted it as 2.1 it would be fine, until the B&N 2.2 upgrade.
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This is the only thing I'd worry about. When the 2.2 update comes out you'll likely need physical access to the device to re-root it (assuming the 2.2 update doesn't create other issues oin rooted NC's).

I have no stability or performance issues with CM7 + Launcher Pro. The stock kernal even supports moderate overclocking (about 15%), if desired.
The corners are not quite as sensitive to touch as the rest of the screen, but I certainly wouldn't rate it as unresponsive... It's fairly uncommon that mine doesn't register the first touch there.
One issue, depending on his vision, may be the small font sizes at the default pixel density settings. This can be remedied by increasing the value, but altering it can break some apps, causing them to render incorrectly.
You may want to wait for a non-development build of CM7 to arrive, however, as improvements are still appearing at a rapid pace.

boborone said:
More experienced users could answer your questions better than I could. I'm just wondering what a luddite is.
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I'm so glad someone else had the same first though! I looked it up on wikipedia:
"In modern usage, "Luddite" is a term describing those opposed to industrialisation, automation, computerisation or new technologies in general."
Sounds like a lot of people I know.....

A tongue in cheek reply!!
Since I am a 78 year old former luddite, I feel qualified to offer some advice. I rooted my nook the first day I had it but became addicted and tried most every ROM available on this site. I really like CM7 but it still requires a bit of fiddling and it does seem very slow compared to the rooted stock. I,ve gone back to the rooted stock 2.1 for a number of reasons. First, I've got the Kindle app and most of my on-time is spent reading either BN or Kindle books. I do check for the grandkids e-mails a couple of times a day and that's about it. I have a basket full of 2GB microSDs with photos, audible books, etc, etc, and like the ease of changing to whatever I want. For my usage, the rooted stock is probably the best alternative. Of course I do have my andromeda 1.2 based Captivate for everything else I want to do. I don't think anyone knows for sure what will happen when (or if) B&N really does provide an OTA upgrade to 2.2. Maybe a rooted stock won't upgrade and if it does it may have to be rerooted. I still have CM7 on a micro SD just in case. By the way, I had three semesters of computerese in 1971--1974 while working on my PhD and my first computer was an instant hernia producing 40 pound "portable". To me it sounds like your dad would get along just fine if you'll just root it and introduce him to this marvelous website with it's great devs.
FishDoc

Without question all '-ites' should get Nook Colors...
Troglodites, Mennonites, Frenchites, Americanites and of course my Luddite brothers and sisters as well...
But seriously, I told a newb friend of mine, who is very interested in Android, to get one and play with it. Many, many others and I all learned by playing around and making tons of mistakes and asking questions of others. Hands on is the way to go.
note: Google/search XDA with any questions before posting; otherwise you'll get scarcastic responses that won't be polite.
Good luck m8!

I'm using the NC with 2.1 and absolutely love it. I have a lot of apps. love the B&N features, love the whole android experience I can get on the NC.
I'm a 52 year old grandma who has found a fun hobby learning to root her NC and load android on her HD2 phone. I figure if I can learn to do it, anyone can!
LauncherPro Plus is my launcher of choice. I have tried ADW and Zeam. I like the scrollable widgets, facebook widget and the many home screens with LP. LP works great on my NC.
I use my NC for staying organized (calendar, contacts and email - all synced to my google account), listening to podcasts (podtrapper), listening to audio books (Audible and local library), listening to favorite music (pro amp), keeping up with the news & blogs (pulse news reader, news and weather widget), facebook (launcherpro widgets), reading books and magazines (Nook and Kindle apps), crossword puzzles (shortyz + NC native), playing games, keeping cute pics of the grandkids to show off, lots of educational apps to play with the grandkids, etc. etc. How did I live without one ????
My screen gets buggy once in awhile, but it's usually after playing Angry Birds or something that is heavy on using resources. But I rarely get any force closes. You Tube does go wonky once in awhile, and I have had to clear cache once on my gmail, but install Titanuium Backup and walk him thru clearing the cache. Works. Every time.
My battery life is what I would call decent. A couple of days - depending on what I am doing. Even with wi-fi running in the background. I have never had a problem getting wi-fi to stay conncected. Battery lasts a lot longer on my NC than on my HD2 running android.
I walked my daughter thru the rooting process over the phone when she got her own NC. She not a 'techie' in any sense of the word. This was about 3 months ago and she hasn't had any problems with her NC and now she is another NC/Android convert.
All this boils down to my saying that I really think your 72 yo 'luddite' would really like the NC. And I think the NC should 'behave itself' enough for him to get good use out of it.

Now that the official 2.2 froyo update is available.....

What are the chances of getting the stock NC Launcher/App working in custom 2.2-2.3 roms?
I'm not @ home atm so I am unable to tinker with it myself for the time being.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/noo...ue Inc-_-k175726-_-j12871747k175726-_-Primary
Software Updates - Version 1.2.0
Barnes & Noble is providing a major firmware update for NOOK Color that contains exciting new features, addresses key customer requests and provides ongoing performance improvements. Among the enhancements, NOOK Color v1.2 now offering popular NOOK Apps�, NOOK Email�, an enhanced web experience, NOOK Kids� Read and Play� titles, enhanced NOOK Books, and more. The software update will be automatically downloaded to devices that are registered and connected to Wi-Fi�, beginning the week of April 25 and over the coming weeks. There�s no need for you to take any action. The software update is also available immediately via a manual download offered here. Please refer to the instructions below for the manual download. To check the current software version of your NOOK Color, please click here for additional instructions.
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msgnyc said:
What are the chances of getting the stock NC Launcher/App working in custom 2.2-2.3 roms?
I'm not @ home atm so I am unable to tinker with it myself for the time being.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/noo...ue Inc-_-k175726-_-j12871747k175726-_-Primary
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Just as good of a chance at getting Sense UI on any device that isn't HTC. Slim.

Why so slim a chance?
I see custom Sense Roms all of the time for HTC devices.
I'm not meaning getting the NC stock launcher/app onto other tablets, but into Custom Roms for the NC itself.

They hack up the framework for their custom launcher/apps. Without the source code to their launcher there is little hope for running that on AOSP builds.
Now someone can make a custom 2.2 rom (winzippers) like you see for HTC, but those are not AOSP based. They are also in an illegal grey area....
With the exception of magazines there are a lot of alternatives to the stock reader. I don't see what the obsession with the stock software is.

Read to me Kids books is another feature, much more so than magazines (IMO) that makes stock worth holding onto for some, like me, that have children and actually use NC for books.

I like the layout of the stock launcher.
The Magazines are a plus,
The storefront is better then the marketplace nook app and since I do have alot of B&N books It is nice being able to actually read them. Cant with 3rd party readers and the Nook App in the marketplace BLOWs. Especially if you've alot of side loaded books. No cover art for sideloaded books and the layout sux.
I also LOVE the fact that nomatter where I am or what I am doing, there is a page icon at the bottom of the screen that takes me directly back to were I left off in the book I am reading, Also shortcuts that take me directly to the B&N Store or my Library from where ever I am are always present. It is integrated extremely well.
[edited]^^ Read to Me Kids Books is pretty darn cool to. My nieces and nephews love it.

msgnyc said:
I like the layout of the stock launcher.
The Magazines are a plus,
The storefront is better then the marketplace nook app and since I do have alot of B&N books It is nice being able to actually read them. Cant with 3rd party readers and the Nook App in the marketplace BLOWs. Especially if you've alot of side loaded books. No cover art for sideloaded books and the layout sux.
I also LOVE the fact that nomatter where I am or what I am doing, there is a page icon at the bottom of the screen that takes me directly back to were I left off in the book I am reading, Also shortcuts that take me directly to the B&N Store or my Library from where ever I am are always present. It is integrated extremely well.
[edited]^^ Read to Me Kids Books is pretty darn cool to. My nieces and nephews love it.
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+1, the regular android nook app blows. It doesn't even have a built in dictionary.
Would be great if we could port the nook library/store to other roms.

I am very curious as to why everyone thinks that the new update will make it easier to pull out the custom nook application. As Nemith pointed out, the apps rely on heavily modded framework, which means you can't just grab the APK and go. Despite being a 2.2 upgrade, i don't expect any difference there; the custom launcher shows that they are still heavily changing the Android framework..
I think the bigger issue is the big divide in users. As a tablet user, one of the first things i was happy to get rid of, was B&N's horrific interface changes (notification bar, etc), via CM7 (and Froyo before that). The "Read to me" feature was neat, but certainly not worth keeping in light of the horrible UI. But that is me, since i do not want it as an eReader. I guess others are more ok with it..

Well, it would be "easier" to work on porting from 2.2 to 2.2/2.3 rather then it would be from 1.6-2.2/2.3 as a whole.
Not that it would necessarily be "easy"
I never really had an issue with the B&N interface myself. Well, after installing ADW that is.
That's just user preference. Not everyone likes/dislikes the same thing.
I don't mind my tablet interface being slightly different from my phones.

My plan is to run stock on the EMMC and CM7+ from SDcard. Just need to take the leap and get them to dual boot and share the same Sdcard partition.
Homer

Why not just dualboot your EMMC? The process takes no time whatsoever, and it will still run the updated stock without a problem. Flash to stock 1.1, upgrade to 1.2, prep dualboot, migrate stock 1.2 to second partition and install CM7 nightlies unmodified to the primary partition. Its what I do, and what I'm planning on doing when 1.2 is rooted. Seems senseless to me to boot off an SD when you can do it all internally
-Wheeled Wonder

nemith said:
With the exception of magazines there are a lot of alternatives to the stock reader. I don't see what the obsession with the stock software is.
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You can only access the large library of "Nook Kids" color books using the stock reader. A few of the Kids titles will load on the B&N Nook app, but most will not as they are made specifically for the stock reader.
Once B&N releases their updated tablet reader app that is supposed to support Nook Kids books like the one for the iPad does, this won't be an issue anymore. So those of us that use the Nook Color (and Nook Kids books) to read to our kids, are stuck using the stock reader. My daughter LOVES the "Read-to-me" feature of Nook kids, and I would not be on her good side if i got rid of it just to run a custom ROM.
I dual boot Honeycomb on my MicroSD card, but the "Nootered" Stock ROM is what I use on a daily basis, as I use the stock reader a lot.

Does anyone know exactly what's changed in the magazine reading?

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Why not just dualboot your EMMC? The process takes no time whatsoever, and it will still run the updated stock without a problem. Flash to stock 1.1, upgrade to 1.2, prep dualboot, migrate stock 1.2 to second partition and install CM7 nightlies unmodified to the primary partition. Its what I do, and what I'm planning on doing when 1.2 is rooted. Seems senseless to me to boot off an SD when you can do it all internally
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No offence to those who duel book their NCs, but I see no point in it whatsoever.
I really dont want to have to continuously reboot my NC just to boot an alternate version of the same OS.
I would much rather have the one. I never have to turn off my NC as is. I rather have everything on the one OS rather then have to boot back and forth just to use what I have on one or the other. Takes no time whatsoever? That does indeed take time everytime you have to power down and reboot back and forth.
I'm just waiting for the official update to be rooted now. XD

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My plan is to run stock on the EMMC and CM7+ from SDcard. Just need to take the leap and get them to dual boot and share the same Sdcard partition.
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That's what I did with my modified SDcard install, base download and all the notes in;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022786
Hopefully will save you some time...

To each their own -- I was simply providing another route of administration for someone who, unlike you, IS interested in dualbooting. Some of us have a point to it -- for example, I have magazine subscriptions held over from my original nook -- I like reading the things I paid for. Can't read them in the market version of the Nook app. That leaves me with one option: the stock install. However, it doesn't take care of my desire for a tablet operating system. CM7 does that perfectly. You know how long a reboot takes? 45 seconds. Its not the end of the world, and for those of us who DO have a purpose for it, it certainly isn't pointless.
Your comment, however, kinda was.
-Wheeled Wonder

So was your seeing as I said "I see no point in it"
Doesn't mean other people don't have a reason for it.
Thank you for your also pointless post.

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Well, it would be "easier" to work on porting from 2.2 to 2.2/2.3 rather then it would be from 1.6-2.2/2.3 as a whole.
Not that it would necessarily be "easy"
I never really had an issue with the B&N interface myself. Well, after installing ADW that is.
That's just user preference. Not everyone likes/dislikes the same thing.
I don't mind my tablet interface being slightly different from my phones.
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1.6?? The nook by stock runs 2.1. And i still say that no, it doesn't really make it easier, since we don't have the source code to see what B&N really changed. Sure, we can keep trying to run it, and grab files are we find them, but then you are overwriting other files which isn't desirable. Realistically, the only way we are safely porting the apps, is if:
1) B&N's app stops relying on modded framework; everything is neatly tucked in the apk
2) We somehow got B&N's Froyo source code (which they are under no obligation to release) and see what is being used and how to put it in CM7 code.

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1.6?? The nook by stock runs 2.1. And i still say that no, it doesn't really make it easier, since we don't have the source code to see what B&N really changed. Sure, we can keep trying to run it, and grab files are we find them, but then you are overwriting other files which isn't desirable. Realistically, the only way we are safely porting the apps, is if:
1) B&N's app stops relying on modded framework; everything is neatly tucked in the apk
2) We somehow got B&N's Froyo source code (which they are under no obligation to release) and see what is being used and how to put it in CM7 code.
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Bleh, my mistake on that one. lmao
I see where you are coming from. Still doesn't hurt to ask what the chance of it happening are. Know what I mean. Answers to questions are always a good thing.

msgnyc said:
So was your seeing as I said "I see no point in it"
Doesn't mean other people don't have a reason for it.
Thank you for your also pointless post.
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Nein -- you see, my original post was constructive and provided an alternative option. Your post provided negativity and nothing to add to the conversation. Mine had a point
Either way, as long as we all own the most cost effective tablet on the market, its all gravy
-Wheeled Wonder

What's next for stock rooted development?

I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.

Kayak83 said:
I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.
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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.

Divine_Madcat said:
Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.
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Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*

Kayak83 said:
Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
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Sorry, but that is crazy. The bluetooth is incredibly useful. It allows me to use the Nook as a standalone nav device (and let me tell you, nav on a 7" rocks), or use my bluetooth speaker set. The battery life is fine for what it is. even overclocked, i have never run out of battery in a heavy days use. Charge at night, and i am good to go. I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
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I am talking as a consumer as well. I hated the changes B&N made to the Android look and feel. I understand it was done with the goal of making it an eReader, but given an alternative, i had no desire to keep it. Even benchmarks aside, Ginerbread has always felt faster (and has better app and memory management).
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*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*
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I have no problems with discussion.

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I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.

dsf3g said:
Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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The reader is the only reason I can justify having a tablet. The Transformer is REALLY tempting but I can't really find a specific use aside from the "because I can," attitude.

Hate to say it, but I tend to agree with Madcat on this one. CM7 is a constantly growing project with lots of development support. Stock is... Well stock... You may never see another update for it and I don't feel it comes with anywhere near as much customization.
If you're truly happy with an "eReader" than updates are silly past Manualnooter. It's overclocked and you can read just fine. If you want a "tablet" that's why there's CM7.
That said, had I just wanted an eReader, I would have just bought a Nook or Kindle, battery life is far better for those, and you can easily read your books. Like Madcat said, it's very easy to use the Nook Color heavily (overclocked to 1.3ghz on .29 kernel/Debateable on .32 till PBD is fixed) for a whole day and charge at night. I don't think you're going to see much better even on Stock...
Bluetooth... Silly? LOL, the only thing missing from the Nook color is video out, and I would have a highly portable video game system for vacations, family get togethers, etc.. As Madcat also mentioned, bluetooth gps is pretty awesome on this screen, makes me regret recently buying a TomTom.
But you're also forgetting USB host support that will soon be baked in, allowing the nook to use external usb keybords, mouses, webcams(possibly?), video game controllers and hard drives!
Something goes wrong with CM7 you have a lot of dev support and other user support. Something breaks in Stock and you have the manual spoken to you in verbatim, with an Indian Accent and an American name.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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Not sure why it hasn't ended for video... Overclock it and use Moboplayer and you can easily watch videos. That or learn to encode videos with handbrake to the specs of the nook color for hardware acceleration.
As far as the Nook App goes... I don't really read books outside of pdfs, so correct me if I'm wrong... But couldn't you use other programs like Kindle? or Moon Reader or Aikido?

I'm a little confused about the Bluetooth usability comments. Has the extremely short range issue been resolved and I missed it?
Personally I did want a device that was mostly an eReader with added capability. A rooted/over-clocked Nook Color running Smart Taskbar, Button Savior and a few other goodies fits that bill. Sure the user interface is not Android but that wasn't my intent from the start.
If the Bluetooth range can be/has been resolved, that would be icing on the cake if it gets ported to the rooted NC.If Bluetooth range while using WiFi is still sub par, I wouldn't describe it as very useful even if I were running CM7.
Even though we're on XDA, not all of us are interested in constantly tinkering with our toys all the time. If that is your thing, I say more power to you but there is no call to ridicule others who are looking for something different. Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe

PuterGeek said:
Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe
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Who's being rude? Seems pretty civil so far.

I just nooted last night with the lastest MN and Dalingrin's 2.6.32 OC kernel and let me tell you I am as happy as I can be. I did consider CM7 or Phiremod which I think are great but then I realized I am using this baby more for ereading than anything else.
I do like the BN reader launcher and I want to enjoy it a little bit more, the OC brings new life to it (is laggy as hell out of the box). I have now installed around 50 apps including ADW EX, customized it to my taste and to be frank regarding UI I have it to the level CM7 or Phiremod is. I can't imagine it faster than it is (it actually beats my Cognition 4 Samsung Galaxy S in feel and in Quadrant 1800 vs 2300 for the nook).
So I might change later but my needs are fulfilled for now, same situation with my Galaxy S, until CM7 is stable over there I'm sticking with stable froyo Cog goodness.

[Q] Current effective root method? Also most slim/effecient ROMs? Stability of 4.3/4?

1. What is the current root method? I know there's the D4 Utility but I'm not sure it's been updated for a good long while. Don't knock a good thing I suppose. I feel I've still seen Razrblade roaming around out there as well. What is the best root method at the moment, as I've seen there are different builds of BusyBox and Superuser these days. The last time I loaded root with the D4 System Utility I had a handful of things go wrong, nothing major but very decent annoyances, the Permissions for some Apps working right, but with others night (Or ones I've used before without the rooting problems). Just trying to find the most compatible/up to date one.
2. I'm confident the answer will be a resounding Cyanogen, but hear me out - What are the best current ROMs which involve energy efficiency, RAM/CPU Optimization? I'm a simple guy, I love tinkering but I don't keep any one thing installed for long. My normal day involves texting, browsing a web page or two, and playing a silly game called Dragons World, which eats battery like a mofo. I would just like the ability of longevity through the day, as it stand right now if I open Dragons World 4 times in a 2 hour period that's over 30% of my battery gone.I'm sure it's just the App, but I do adore it so.
3. On the same topic, What's the best modified Stock out there? Meaning deodexed, debloated or slim (Or all of the above), reducing the garbage usage of unused processes, or setting most of them to On Call only instead of running whenever they feel like it (I glare at you MotoGarbage). Just something nice, clean and effective.
4. Now the fun stuff, personal ROM right now? Most customizable? I love to have a side-loaded ROM which supports the latest features, alternative Lock screens, a new built in home screen (Not just a downloadable launcher from the Playstore thrown on top), a powerhouse of features, and interesting new items. the AVATAR ROM seems pretty nifty, however I've never used it's line, and I hear a lot of people run Eclipse however the latest edition I could find was for 4.1.2 ...
5. Leading me to the next question: So how about that 4.4/4.3? Is it even worth flashing at the moment? Is 4.3 stable and 4.4 highly questionable? Is there a major gain? I'm still running 4.1.2 stock after a fresh wipe from horrid slowness.
6. Last but not least, let's pull it all together: Safestrap or BMM? It feels like BMM has made a huge comeback, I see it's name everywhere these days, but I've been more or less born and raised on SS, ya know as with the D2 the only option was CWR and nothing else. I've seen a pros and cons, I consider myself an advanced user (As I've fiddled enough to wipe my own stock system even with SS...) so the mechanics don't scare me, more so the reliability of the programming itself. I hear it allows 2 system partitions thanks to the Webtop mount? That's pretty amazing, and has me willing and ready to try it unless proven otherwise of how SS is superior, since I know it just updated to 3.65.
Am I right in saying the top contenders for ROMs are still Cynanogen, Eclipse, Avatar and XXSlim?
It's been a while since I've been delving into this realm. Let me know what you can, I'll continue googling in the meantime.

I'm curious on this topic too, seems my d4 has been a little lacking on the tech side lately and it's time for a refresh!

Razrblade is the current root method unless you've updated to the latest version of the stock without root then you'll have to wait for a new method. Safe strap recovery I have found to be better than bmm. Stargos cm11 ROM is the best yet in my opinion. Try it out and good luck
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