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What Will You Get After the Nexus?

So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?

Nexus One is a beautiful product... I would like to wait for Nexus Two if there is any~ I got my Nexus One on 2nd March.
have been using it for 9 months and I still have 92% usable battery capacity..

I agree it is beautiful. I noticed you're in Australia, for which I'm very jealous. However, I'm not sure what the Australian Android scene is like down there, but it's changing daily here in the US.

Check out the battery cal thread. We just got the battery changes into pershoot's kernel this week. So now you can pull all your battery values from the battery EEPROM chip, and tweak them. We are experimenting with squeezing out more capacity now that we can change voltage, current, etc. Check the battery thread for more info

nothing for awhile, i just upgraded from my G1 to a N1 3 weeks ago and i don't honestly see anything hardware wise ground breaking happening that will make me want to get a new phone anytime soon.
a buddy of mine has the droid X, nice phone but man that screen looks like crap compared to the AMOLED screen the viewing angles not that it matters is very bad on them as well.
I think when they come up with a newer battery tech or phones that can have 2x+ the battery life and still be just as good as an N1 i would consider it but it's not going to happen for at least a year if not longer. in the mean time i don't have problems with battery life on average days and when i know i will be away from home/work for awhile i have a spare charged battery to make sure it stays alive

angasreid said:
So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?
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As soon as something that has a high quality build with a good camera equipped, I will jump ship. As of right now, I don't think that any Android phone has a good camera (in my opinion). I think we definitely live in an age where cellphone cameras can replace digital cameras but, unfortunately, there is no Android phone that has impressed me yet in the imaging department.

I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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IPhone 3g vs n1 camera? Lol don't think so
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Droid Terminator... Early next year...

Nexus One has a decent camera, but the video recording quality is atrocious, ie. typical HTC video camera quality. Even the Sony X10 Mini Pro takes better videos (constant 30fps indoors). That's probably the only big knock against my Nexus One.

N1 stays
With currently available options I am unable to justify a switch from N1.
Thats unless someone releases an unlocked phone with a 1.5 dual core processor and 1G RAM with sustainable battery backup.
I'll wait for the next batch of new Android devices from the manufacturers once the WP7(which looks good) dust settles down.

They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.

Chahk said:
They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.
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That would be freaking awsome. I will have my Nexus One until a "Nexus two" is coming . Still very happy with it, had it for like 8 months now.

Chahk said:
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
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That's why, after a lot of deliberation, I'm getting the LG Optimus 2X

All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.

efrant said:
All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.
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what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
to answer this thread, i've been in upgrade hell, i simply cant figure out what i would want to replace my nexus one with. nothing out there seems to be "better" than the nexus one for me. is it too hard to get a nice solid aluminum 3.7-4 inch phone with notification light and build quality? the desire s is the highest on my list right now, but that stupid side-charge port turns me off. and no notification light. couldnt they just make the charge port on the bottom like normal?

RogerPodacter said:
what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
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S-OFF stands for Security Off. Without getting technical, think of is as an unlocked bootloader.

I'll go for the HTC Pyramid if it shows up unlocked & 4G for tmob usa. Keeping my great N1 till then...

next phone
for me it has to be htc iv experimented and the dev support is with htc it will be a sense phone i cant stand stock

I am going to keep my N1 until the LG Optimus G2x or HTC Pyramid come out on Tmo, but I will wait to see if the Cyanogen team support them. I am not willing to get a phone without CM, or not being able to use custom Roms.
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[Q] Need Help deciding what to get :)

Hey All,
I'm having a very hard time deciding whether to get the HTC HD7 or the Samsung Focus and was wondering if any of you could help out.
I'm going to post this in the Samsung Focus Forum as well to get their side of things so I mainly want to know from the HD7 owner's side of the story.
HTC HD7
Large 4.3" Screen (the main reason I want to get it)
Really nice design - mainly screen (Focus has too much plastic around the screen)
16GB Built in memory with option to void warranty and upgrade
Kickstand which will be useful since there are no docks available.
Dual LED flash - not too important for me as I hear the HD7 camera isn't too great.
Heavier than the Focus - seriously, I do prefer a denser phone
Comes with free GPS Navigation Software.
Samsung Focus
Amazing 4" SAMOLED display (although it is smaller than the HD7). I have a Zune HD and the quality of that screen is amazing.
Design is OK, a little plasticky for my taste
Very light, this is an advantage (even though I prefer a denser phone) as it is less noticeable in your pocket.
8GB NAND memory which appears to be much, much faster than the HD7 with the option to upgrade to 40GB with a 32GB card without voiding warranty. 16GB is probably enough for me but 8GB is definitely too small.
According to reviews, has an excellent camera.
Now my decision is even harder because I will not be able to see the devices until I buy one as I live in South Africa and will be getting a relative to send the device out to me. I will be immigrating to the US in less than a years time so if I get the HD7 I will be going with T-Mobile and if I get the Focus I will be going with AT&T as my SP. (Is one better / cheaper than the other?)
I hope you guys can provide me with some information to sway me either way
Thanks,
Jonno

Hi Jonno!
I kind of understand how you are feeling right now because I was also in this situation and when WP7 launched on 11th October I wanted to buy the Omnia 7. It depends what you really need/want from a phone.
Personally , I am not into S-AMOLED screens because of the lower sharpness and I am also not too overwhelmed by having the guy next to me reading all my messages etc. Vibrant colors is cool but you'll get bored of this pretty fast.
The official micro-SD support one the most important advantages if you ask me and NAND is indeed faster BUT I also think apps are not yet optimised for HD7's memory and might see an update soon ,because let's face it, the hardware is there and it can help.
Also a larger battery the 1500 one but the S-AMOLED screen kinda compensates the bigger battery and good sAR values but honestly I wouldn't mind having a 1500 in my HD7
For me, when I pay big cash for a phone I want to have a good-looking one and I might refuse a bit better specs for a gorgeous design which HD7 clearly has.
So, if you want a phone that simply has the specs go for the Samsung, if you want a sexy phone with a BIG display go for the HD7.
P.S. Are you saying you will be buying it in an almost 1 year time ? Ouch , by then you will have a better OS and other devices as well

Hi yly3,
Thanks very much for that advice.
I'm not necessarily after the best specs, I just want to be happy with my decision and I will never be happy until I research all of the options and am sure that I know what I want to do.
Yeah, I'm not too worried about the viewing angles (would also rather have poor angles so that I have my phone to myself). I just noticed in the Focus videos that the display seems almost surreal - the visuals just appeared on the top of the device as if there was no screen.
I'm also wondering about the speed of the two devices. If I get a Focus I will most likely be adding a SD card to it anyway so it'd be interesting to know the performance changes when a card is added to the Focus.
Yeah, as long as the battery lasts me the whole day I'm fine. Will charge it at nights anyway.
I would like this phone to act as a bit of an ambassador for the platform as I'm not sure when it's going to be launched in this country.
Oh, and no, I will be moving to the States in a year but hopefully purchase the device before the end of the month.

S-AMOLED or not the battery will last a little bit longer than HD7's one. Although reading through Microsoft forums I saw that there is not much of a difference between the batteries, Samsung might win in standby mode or using the phone only as a phone.
About the cards, it seems Microsoft is on this one and recommends we wait for the "official seal of approval cards" from them for the best performance. When those will be available , there is no word yet , in my opinion somewhere in Q2 if you ask me but that's just a wild guess.
A small reminder is that the Samsung has slightly less RAM (512 vs HD7's 576) but I am sure it's not a deal breaker anyway ..
If this helps you with anything Bill Gates' phone is the Focus

Yeah, as long as the performance of the HD7 is not a problem, and from what I've read it isn't, then I don't really mind.
If you add a card to the Focus and fill it up I doubt the performance will be any better that the HD7. As MicroSD cards improve it may be possible to upgrade to faster cards anyway.
Does anyone have any experience on how much bigger the 4.3" screen is than the 4" screen? From the pictures it looks to be quite a bit smaller.

Since the big deciding factor is the screen display, please take the time to read this thread I posted regarding AMOLED color representation
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=840883
Also, watch some review videos comparing the two!
Here's a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTLfGbvNATA

Also, since the phones are so similarly spec'd with the main difference being the screen, you should focus (pun!) more of you decision on which carrier is better.
For example, where are you moving to in the US? ATT has a stronger signal in the northeast but tmobile is much better in the south and west coast. The 3g speeds also vary depending on your location and if you use a lot of mobile data, expect to pay more for ATT since they no longer offer unlimited data plans.
Overall, you can expect to pay about 10 dollars less for the same plan on Tmobile vs ATT.
But like I said, service and reception should be your ultimate deciding factor since both phones are almost identical and priced the same.
Good luck with your decision!
One thing that I must say about the Samsung Focus that most people leave out of their reviews is that the back of the phone scratches very easily. Compare it to the iphone chrome rim and you get what I mean. It's been a week since my friend bought his focus and the back has already shown some wear and tear and he pretty much babys his phone. So if you do plan on getting the focus make sure you get a case or whatever.
Also, if you are looking for an "ambassador" device, always go with htc since developers on xda focus more of their time developing on htc devices. I mean the HTC XDA II was the reason why this forum was created!

About prices: everything unlimited- Text, Minutes, & Data.
On T Mobile you ll be paying between $80-$90 a month. But 3g is spotty and indoor 3g sucks with T mobile and I live in south florida. Every time I call to complaint they say their working on it, and thats been for three years now.
On AT&T you will be paying between $135-$145 a month for same service.
only difference is At&T has 3G coverage in way more areas than T mobile.
and they dont have the indoor problem with their 3G.
I have till Monday to return my HD7 and Im still debating on what to do cause Im off contract already. I love the phone but what I like most is the OS, Microsoft has done a beautiful job. Still needs a little touch here and there but awesome start I think. I would love to get the samsung focus phone from AT&T but as you see the prices are way more, I guess thats the price you gotta pay for better service. and Verizon is just as expensive. Sprint is the cheapest but the W7 phone they are coming out with is to small for my taste.

yly3 said:
S-AMOLED or not the battery will last a little bit longer than HD7's one. Although reading through Microsoft forums I saw that there is not much of a difference between the batteries, Samsung might win in standby mode or using the phone only as a phone.
About the cards, it seems Microsoft is on this one and recommends we wait for the "official seal of approval cards" from them for the best performance. When those will be available , there is no word yet , in my opinion somewhere in Q2 if you ask me but that's just a wild guess.
A small reminder is that the Samsung has slightly less RAM (512 vs HD7's 576) but I am sure it's not a deal breaker anyway ..
If this helps you with anything Bill Gates' phone is the Focus
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It seems that for cards right now, the ones to get are sandisk class2, those are the ones that people have gotten to work in the hd7s and the ones that are now coming out microsoft certified.
Jonno2343 said:
Yeah, as long as the performance of the HD7 is not a problem, and from what I've read it isn't, then I don't really mind.
If you add a card to the Focus and fill it up I doubt the performance will be any better that the HD7. As MicroSD cards improve it may be possible to upgrade to faster cards anyway.
Does anyone have any experience on how much bigger the 4.3" screen is than the 4" screen? From the pictures it looks to be quite a bit smaller.
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Also, since the phones are so similarly spec'd with the main difference being the screen, you should focus (pun!) more of you decision on which carrier is better.
For example, where are you moving to in the US? ATT has a stronger signal in the northeast but tmobile is much better in the south and west coast. The 3g speeds also vary depending on your location and if you use a lot of mobile data, expect to pay more for ATT since they no longer offer unlimited data plans.
Overall, you can expect to pay about 10 dollars less for the same plan on Tmobile vs ATT.
But like I said, service and reception should be your ultimate deciding factor since both phones are almost identical and priced the same.
Good luck with your decision!
One thing that I must say about the Samsung Focus that most people leave out of their reviews is that the back of the phone scratches very easily. Compare it to the iphone chrome rim and you get what I mean. It's been a week since my friend bought his focus and the back has already shown some wear and tear and he pretty much babys his phone. So if you do plan on getting the focus make sure you get a case or whatever.
Also, if you are looking for an "ambassador" device, always go with htc since developers on xda focus more of their time developing on htc devices. I mean the HTC XDA II was the reason why this forum was created!
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Definitely want to keep the carriers in mind. At&t will get you signal just about anywhere, but doesn't have the best 3g/4g network so your data may suffer.
Tmobile isn't as widespread as the others, but if you live in a city chances are you are good. I live in San Antonio and always have reception (hspa+)

Yeah i also need an advice. Thinking between Samsung Omnia 7 or HTC HD7
HTC HD7
-better design
-bigger screen
Samsung Omnia 7
-better screen
-better battery life
can anyone help me to choose?

Hmm.. It definitely seems like I'll be going with T-Mobile then as AT&T sound too be just a little too expensive.
Thanks for the link on the Color Reproduction, very interesting!
Also interesting to hear about the Focus scratching, I imagine they used too thin a plastic to make it terribly durable.
Since I'll be stuck in South Africa for another year, the carrier isn't too much of an issue for me right now and I will only be able to fully determine which is best once I've tried them out in the places I'll be.
The HD7 always stuck out as me as the phone to get and I think as I look at it, it's turning out to be the better choice.
Does anyone think it's better to hold off till later next year? Maybe better devices (dual core, etc)? Looks like quite a few more coming next year according to http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/how-htc-and-samsung-look-at-their-windows-phone-7-futures
But then again I can't wait until the next best thing comes out as there will always be some better coming out.
Thanks for all of the responses!

Regarding your concern about waiting another year for updated specs, you will feel the exact same way next year when your buying your newer phone. Think about it in the perspective of an iPhone user...they know for a fact that a new upgraded iphone is coming out in a year but nonetheless theres no talk about waiting another year to see what might be released whether its dual core or 10mp cameras.
The truth of the matter is technology will always be doubling in specs at an exponential rate so theres not point in waiting for a year cuz of course there will be better phones and hardware.
Ever since I bought my first G1, I always upgrade my phone in a year or sometimes less either due to better hardware released or just because I get bored easily. And after I buy the newer phone, I just sell my old one. At most i'll be spending about 100-150 to "upgrade."
For example. I sold my iphone 3gs on craigslist for 350 this summer and bought an iPhone 4 for 450 which was a pretty good deal. I then sold my iphone 4 for 500 and bought an hd2 for 250. And then I recently switched to the hd7 buying it for 450 with no contract.
So don't worry about holding off on buying a phone. They seem to improve at a faster rate than computers/tvs so its really not worth keeping around older hardware that grows more obsolete day by day.

Thanks for that.
Good to hear that you can sell them again for a respectable price.
One problem with technology is that very few people want to buy the old stuff if they have a choice so it's nice to know that it is not so for smart phones.

HD 7 for sure. The differences in AMOLED or whatever is not enough to make up for the sheer 4.3 inch size on the HD7. I loved it on my HD2 and told myself I would never go back to anything smaller. And I meant it. The HD7 is hands above as far as stylish looks and the "WOW" factor when you or someone else picks it up. Bottom line is, better looking phone with about the same performance across the board due to the OS just being that much more efficient.

Jonno2343 said:
Thanks for that.
Good to hear that you can sell them again for a respectable price.
One problem with technology is that very few people want to buy the old stuff if they have a choice so it's nice to know that it is not so for smart phones.
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Last generation Android (Moto Droid, Nexus One, Desire) and iOS phones are usually in great demand since most people won't pay $500+ premium prices for the top of the line phones.
The majority of XDA community make up the small percentage of hardcore phone users that are willing to shell out however much for the newest spankn phones.
For your situation, as long as WP7 doenst end up flopping like the Palm webOS, you can expect the resell value of the HD7 to be pretty good in a year.

Had the same problem.
Solved, but wont tell you how
->> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833140

[Q] Liquid e worth buying still or too old?

Am getting a really cheap brand new liquid e, is it still worth buying? does it have multi touch support? One thing that I am disappointed about is mini USB instead of micro, but its not a big deal if rest is a good package. How is direct sunlight legibility outdoors?

personally I think the Liquid E it the best phone for the price.
If you are from Canada you can pick it up new from kijiji for $250. Lots of ppl using their Fido $$ to get it for free and just selling it there (got one for my GF)
Performance wise its got the same processor as the Nexus one except its clocked down to 800Mhz for battery performance. 512 MB of Ram/Rom
Its upgradeable to Android 2.2 since October (Faster then a lot of other devices) and it will most likely get gingerbread seeing as acer is on top of the upgrade cycles (a guess).
I do notice that the touch screen can be a little iffy. The edges of the screen sometimes are really hard to detect and in general the whole touch screen could be a little more sensitive. But that can all be fixed by rooting your device and changing some values around.
Multitouch, Im not entirely sure, it has it but might have the same issues as N1/Experia when the two fingers come really close to each other.
Overall, Id buy this phone if i didn't have the money and weren't waiting for Nexus S to come out for AT&T/Rogers/Fido frequencies.
Hope that helps.

I got mine not too long ago, and for the price im moar than happy with it. Comunity support is really good. Maybe not so much here, but modaco has lots of different custom roms that can be flashed onto it. Really good phone for the price : )

I'm waiting for Rogers to replace my 3rd one. They keep failing. The battery life is horrible. I've been without a phone for a month now because they are back ordered.

[thoughts] What the S5 needs to do before April 11th to earn my money

Well, THAT happened 10 hours ago........
The launch for the S5 came and my enjoyment faded pretty quickly. You can see from my track record in my signature that I've been a pretty loyal customer of Samsung for quite some time now, and this may be the first Galaxy launch that I won't have a pre-order in the system. Other than stepping away from the Galaxy line to pick up the Atrix 4G, the first mass produced phone with a fingerprint scanner, coincidentally, I've enjoyed only Samsung phones for the last 4 years. The "premium version" of the S5 was supposed to be 5th in line, what with the 20MP camera, metal body, G-Note 3 battery size, 5.25" screen - you've seen it all and read it all, it didn't show up today. Now unless Samsung is about to pull the biggest stunt they've ever pulled, the Unpacked5 event is in the books and we're not getting anything more than what we got today.
Is there any positive that came out of this event? Sure! USB 3.0 is a big thing for me as I have lots of 3.0 gear and want that from my next phone, it's dust and water resistant, cool fingerprint scanner providing it works flawlessly unlike the one on the iThing, updated TouchWiz which (try not to judge) I actually like a little bit, the wearables, the bigger focus on health, better processor, camera, and connectivity, but then comes the let downs, especially for S4 owners. Same 1080p screen at almost the same size, same 2GB of memory, almost the exact same front camera, soon to be the same OS (again, I like TW so I'm sticking it out on 4.3 until the TW 4.4.2 comes out), same plastic body that I don't necessarily mind, but would have appreciated a little change other than just putting dimples in the back cover, and probably worst of all to me, they're offering it in a 16GB format again after what they just did to us who pre-ordered and / or early adopted the S4, sticking us with next to nothing for internal space because they believe everyone has kids and needs to have likely a ton of space dedicated to a kid mode with pre-installed games and crap. I'm single and not looking for that anytime soon!!! It's like they claimed to listen to their customers but only those who are married, have children, want a "modern glam look," whatever the hell that means, and work out enough to bring their phone with them while exercising!
Damn that's a lot of negatives so far. So what can Samsung do between now and launch to earn my money short of releasing their ultra premium version that was supposed to exist but doesn't, and calling this one the S5 Neo? Let's take a look, and please, feel free to help me add to this list!
Ship the phone with an unlocked bootloader - I know, fat chance, right? But if you don't want people complaining about lack of storage, let us kill it off as we see fit! I also know it isn't up to Samsung on this, the carriers are the ones being douchebags about it, but Samsung put their foot down with them previously by stopping them from dictating all the individual revisions when they launched the SIII, making them all the same shape and size, so why can't they force their hand on this in the sake of making even the smallest group of their customers happy - those that truly use the phone for what it was meant for!
Negate the 16GB version - this is obvious, why the hell is this even a thing anymore with Samsung.... just get rid of it if you're not going to slim down this ridiculously large ROM of yours! Ship with the 32GB at minimum and announce the 64GB as well. iThings do this as a standard now, and while iSheep love to keep their music on their device and we have this little thing called external storage and another little thing called Google Music, we don't have to, but seriously, cut the crap and ditch the 16GB model!
Allow us to remove certain features we just aren't going to use, EVER - as I stated already, I don't have kids and don't need a Kids Mode. If you aren't going to let us root the thing AND aren't going to launch it with more than 16GB, let me get rid of the damn Kids Mode. Or the health features. Or anything else I decide useless or unnecessary. When looking at pics of the camera settings on the S5, I'm able to download more features as I see fit - why not make some of this crap downloadable and not don't ship it with the device? Why not make an Aroma-like installer when you first boot it and say "hey, would you like all of this crap or just some of it?" like any PC software does when it installs something - Typical or Custom installation. Sounds like I'm asking for a lot here, but really, I'm asking to not be forced a lot that I really won't use. And before you comment that if I don't need it, don't buy it in the first place, there are so many things I love about my S4 and TouchWiz that I'm not planning to part with in order to have "a phone," my N7 has a purpose and it isn't so I can keep the screen on when I need it just by looking at it. It does great for playing movies on a trip but not for letting me change the channel of my big TV when I want to watch a blockbuster movie....
Ship with at least the S805 processor for crying out loud - if you're not going to blow us away with something new and powerful, at least ship it with the very latest processor this time from Qualcomm. The 800 has been out for months, the 801 is obviously an incremental update over the 800, and the 805 isn't that much better, but at least give us the goods instead of just going along with the same processor found in the N5 and G-Note 3. I don't think we've heard which one for sure will be included, but from what I've read, so far they say it's the 800 or the 801. EDIT - it's the 801, confirmed by Qualcomm....
Include wireless charging in the box - I shouldn't have to say this, wireless charging is now old technology, the SIII had the capability but not the attention or love needed for Samsung to just release the official cover, the S4 cover took 3 months to post online for sale, and with all the competition shipping their phones with it included, why aren't we able to get it without paying $50+ for it? I used a 50% off coupon to get it for $25, but that's $25 more than I should have spent after being let down on a promise that the SIII was supposed to be able to do it on a phone with nearly useless internal storage....
Sell us some legit accessories this time, namely a car dock - I'm always impressed when people recognize me from my review on the only working car dock for the S4 since Samsung decided to screw around with the whole thing and make my Infuse dock useless. It worked on the Skyrocket and SIII, and would have fit the S4 except it wasn't possible to get the thing working properly by charging and outputting dock audio on it, so it's collecting dust in a box right now. Sure, I get it, you want to sell me something new instead of letting me use the same one for my last phone, and that's different than what you are doing (or didn't do?) with the wireless charging cover, but in this situation, you're not even selling me one! The S4 sold tens of millions of devices, did you stop and think that maybe ONE of them would be going in a car and being used for playing music or navigating that owner safely from one place to another?
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That's all I got for now, I'm sure we can come up with more and while I highly doubt Samsung is listening to people like me, one of their 200M customers (I'd like to think I counted 4 times for buying 4 iterations of the Galaxy line), there's always a chance someone is listening. I bet they'll listen when they're trying to figure out why the sales figures are going to be monumentally lower this go-round, that's for sure!!!
A note to fanboys of all kinds, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, iThing, etc - let's keep it clean here, please. You haven't heard me bash anyone else here, even Samsung really, so please don't get this thread locked on me. I'm sure you have witty comments like Nokia and HTC have today, with their "Samesung," "Buyers Remose," and even the most original ones like telling me that you're disappointed or this phone is ugly.... As if we haven't seen those comments before. Be original if Samsung isn't, post something relevant to the discussion if you're going to post at all! I don't waste my time on writing this stuff to insult others, so don't do it to insult me. If you were never considering buying it, you don't have any reason to comment on here because nothing you're going to say will come across as helpful to myself or others. If you were considering buying it or even, dare I say switching from another brand, or actually will be buying this phone - let's discuss intelligently your reasons why!
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FM radio..
In Slovenia in past month we have major electric blackdown becouse of mother nature - no internet no nothing.. but FM radio did work.. on my S2 I could still listen what is happening, but on newer device.. bljah.. must have tool which cost them 1 euro cent per device..
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I agree with all you say. Particularly about wireless charging, and accessories which get launched with fanfare and then never see the light of day. The other thing they could do is to put one of the new gear items in the box too. That would be a good sweetener. Lol.
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NO KNOX!!! Or forget about Custom ROMs and warranty.

redzion said:
FM radio..
In Slovenia in past month we have major electric blackdown becouse of mother nature - no internet no nothing.. but FM radio did work.. on my S2 I could still listen what is happening, but on newer device.. bljah.. must have tool which cost them 1 euro cent per device..
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How do you know it doesn't ?

Two points here:
1. I see you are American, and that in the US the carriers **** in their customers' heads when it comes to freedom. The international S4 has an unlocked bootloader, it has been like that since the original S.
2. The Snapdragon 805 isn't available yet, sadly.
And why isn't 2GB of RAM enough? I have 300+ apps here, 9 accounts syncing and available RAM never goes below 700MB.

I'm going to point something out to everyone here that wants Samsung to get rid of security features such as locked bootloaders or Knox.
We are the minority. Do you Expect Samsung to tailor to us and risk the average consumer's information and safety so people can run an AOSP build or a custom kernel?
Ship the phone with an unlocked bootloader - I know, fat chance, right? But if you don't want people complaining about lack of storage, let us kill it off as we see fit! I also know it isn't up to Samsung on this, the carriers are the ones being douchebags about it, but Samsung put their foot down with them previously by stopping them from dictating all the individual revisions when they launched the SIII, making them all the same shape and size, so why can't they force their hand on this in the sake of making even the smallest group of their customers happy - those that truly use the phone for what it was meant for!
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While I'm not excusing the US carriers for doing this, but why do you think they try to steer people away from rooting and unlocking the bootloader? People mess up, brick their phone, and then try to do a warranty claim on them. They're protecting their profits, and as a business you cannot blame them for that. Anyone else here would do the same thing to retain profits. And what do you mean "use the phone for what it was meant for?" The phone is meant to be a mobile multimedia cellular device, which in fact still does on the software it ships with no problem.
Negate the 16GB version - this is obvious, why the hell is this even a thing anymore with Samsung.... just get rid of it if you're not going to slim down this ridiculously large ROM of yours! Ship with the 32GB at minimum and announce the 64GB as well. iThings do this as a standard now, and while iSheep love to keep their music on their device and we have this little thing called external storage and another little thing called Google Music, we don't have to, but seriously, cut the crap and ditch the 16GB model!
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I do agree with this, I don't see too much point of the 16gb version. Still at least gives you a start of 10gb of storage at least.
Allow us to remove certain features we just aren't going to use, EVER - as I stated already, I don't have kids and don't need a Kids Mode. If you aren't going to let us root the thing AND aren't going to launch it with more than 16GB, let me get rid of the damn Kids Mode. Or the health features. Or anything else I decide useless or unnecessary. When looking at pics of the camera settings on the S5, I'm able to download more features as I see fit - why not make some of this crap downloadable and not don't ship it with the device? Why not make an Aroma-like installer when you first boot it and say "hey, would you like all of this crap or just some of it?" like any PC software does when it installs something - Typical or Custom installation. Sounds like I'm asking for a lot here, but really, I'm asking to not be forced a lot that I really won't use. And before you comment that if I don't need it, don't buy it in the first place, there are so many things I love about my S4 and TouchWiz that I'm not planning to part with in order to have "a phone," my N7 has a purpose and it isn't so I can keep the screen on when I need it just by looking at it. It does great for playing movies on a trip but not for letting me change the channel of my big TV when I want to watch a blockbuster movie....
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You can disable features you don't need. But just because you decide a feature you think is useless or unnecessary, does not translate to everyone else will think this too. I like the kids mode feature, I've got kids and nephews that get my phone somehow all the time.(Anyone with kids can attest to that too! ) I'm sure people will love this feature.
Ship with at least the S805 processor for crying out loud - if you're not going to blow us away with something new and powerful, at least ship it with the very latest processor this time from Qualcomm. The 800 has been out for months, the 801 is obviously an incremental update over the 800, and the 805 isn't that much better, but at least give us the goods instead of just going along with the same processor found in the N5 and G-Note 3. I don't think we've heard which one for sure will be included, but from what I've read, so far they say it's the 800 or the 801.
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This is Qualcomm's area right here, ARM cpus are following the development of x86 cpus. Meaning it's reached a point now where development for ARM cores is slowing down, tremendously. We probably won't see any groundbreaking ARM cpu's come out for maybe at least a year or so now, took x86 cpus years to show good and cost effective performance gains.
Include wireless charging in the box - I shouldn't have to say this, wireless charging is now old technology, the SIII had the capability but not the attention or love needed for Samsung to just release the official cover, the S4 cover took 3 months to post online for sale, and with all the competition shipping their phones with it included, why aren't we able to get it without paying $50+ for it? I used a 50% off coupon to get it for $25, but that's $25 more than I should have spent after being let down on a promise that the SIII was supposed to be able to do it on a phone with nearly useless internal storage....
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Now you're just being greedy.
Sell us some legit accessories this time, namely a car dock - I'm always impressed when people recognize me from my review on the only working car dock for the S4 since Samsung decided to screw around with the whole thing and make my Infuse dock useless. It worked on the Skyrocket and SIII, and would have fit the S4 except it wasn't possible to get the thing working properly by charging and outputting dock audio on it, so it's collecting dust in a box right now. Sure, I get it, you want to sell me something new instead of letting me use the same one for my last phone, and that's different than what you are doing (or didn't do?) with the wireless charging cover, but in this situation, you're not even selling me one! The S4 sold tens of millions of devices, did you stop and think that maybe ONE of them would be going in a car and being used for playing music or navigating that owner safely from one place to another?
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I do agree with this, but also at the same time there are 100s of other companies making accessories that Samsung does not make.
Samsung is not going to tailor the phone just for one person or a small group, they're doing it for what they believe are the best choices for their devices. Looking at their track record of the Galaxy line up, I'd say they've got it down pretty good.

Why do u need a 2k screen on a 5" device? It eats battery life, it bogs down cpu and gpu performance for something that your eyes can't notice. I cant even see a pixel on my s4.
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My wishlist for S5 -Premium
1. 5.2" inches screen in body-size of S4. It's not too hard if they look at LG G2.
2. Radio FM, and playable via loudspeaker.
3. Good camera in low light condition.
4. Smaller bezel, by aluminum.
5. QHD display.
6. Better performed in drop-test, maybe
7. Keep removable battery + external SDcard.
8. Snapdragon 805 or Exynos 64bit octa-cores.
9. Only 1 "main" international version, both have LTE-A, 4K video rec etc...
10. Wireless charging included.
11. Ram 3G
12. At least 32 GB internal memory, like Note 3.
13. Fingerprint inside screen.
14. Max brightness at 600nit, like Note3.
15. Flash Xenon for camera and flash led for Camcorder.
16. 120 fps video recording at 1080p
17. Not too heavy. <150g.
18. Clearer audio recording, noise reduction.
19. Stereo sound on louder speaker like HTC One.
20. A better earphone with improved DAC
21. Sapphire glass for screen and camera lens.
22. Dust and water resistant is good, but I hope it will not affect the bezels.
23. Remove Samsung logo in the front and rear. Just Galaxy.
24. Note 3 fake leather still better than this S5C, or aluminum body.
25. Working, interchangeable for S-pen or any stylus pen, docking, etc
26. Front camera 5MP, rear 18MP
27. Hot plugged battery, SIM and microSD card without restart phone.
28. Include an projector like Galaxy Beam
29. USB 3.1
30. Removable and downloadable all bloatware, Knox, gesture...
31. 3000 mAh battery
32. New flat Touchwiz, it's still ugly.
33. Touchwiz fully runnable in ART and compatible with any pixel density.
34. Free lags, especially open the contacts/dialer must be faster.
35. Dual boot Android & WP, maybe triple with Ubuntu or GPE rom.
36. Update firmware at least 24 months, not like i9300.
37. Not too many versions in worldwide.
38. For some sharing features like Galaxy Beam, Samsung should share this app to works on other Android devices, (now we only have Android Beam).
The same for SS smart watch, smartTV....
39. Still support Adobe flash (it's not SS or GG obligation, but I hope it).
40. Improved airview and air gestures in smarter way than before (Example: hover finger on the links help user preview link, not zooming like now). Open the API for all the sensors function and support the developers to create much good app based on them.

dandroid13 said:
Two points here:
1. I see you are American, and that in the US the carriers **** in their customers' heads when it comes to freedom. The international S4 has an unlocked bootloader, it has been like that since the original S.
2. The Snapdragon 805 isn't available yet, sadly.
And why isn't 2GB of RAM enough? I have 300+ apps here, 9 accounts syncing and available RAM never goes below 700MB.
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When kitkat was being written all the engineers had to use a smart phone with only 512 mb of RAM.
This will be moot tho with TouchWiz which is the most bloated god awful software on Android. 2gb IS enough yet the s4 still suffered from lag.
With the newer processors not being available yet Samsung should have focused on design. They put zero effort into that. This will be their first flop in the galaxy line. And by flop I mean by their standards. It will still sell millions.
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fernando sor said:
When kitkat was being written all the engineers had to use a smart phone with only 512 mb of RAM.
This will be moot tho with TouchWiz which is the most bloated god awful software on Android. 2gb IS enough yet the s4 still suffered from lag.
With the newer processors not being available yet Samsung should have focused on design. They put zero effort into that. This will be their first flop in the galaxy line. And by flop I mean by their standards. It will still sell millions.
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I have minimal lag here, but even Nexus can lag, it's not just TW or Sense.

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Why do u need a 2k screen on a 5" device? It eats battery life, it bogs down cpu and gpu performance for something that your eyes can't notice. I cant even see a pixel on my s4.
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this is so true. people just want a better spec sheet not realizing going above 1080p will actually lower benchmarks particularly with the s800 and 801 being the only SoC available now. To get something you probably wont even notice you will be sacrificing just about everything else performance wise.
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I have minimal lag here, but even Nexus can lag, it's not just TW or Sense.
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Come on It was a pretty common bug on the s4. I have a Samsung tab note 10.1 and it lags considerably.
I've had numerous HTC phones over the years and sense has been toned down quite a bit. sense 3.0 was a system draining nightmare.
I really don't think you can compare a straight android ROM to A samsung rom and say with a straight face this makes no difference on performance or lag.
Just compare the size of a nexus 7 rom to any s4 rom.

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Come on It was a pretty common bug on the s4. I have a Samsung tab note 10.1 and it lags considerably.
I've had numerous HTC phones over the years and sense has been toned down quite a bit. sense 3.0 was a system draining nightmare.
I really don't think you can compare a straight android ROM to A samsung rom and say with a straight face this makes no difference on performance or lag.
Just compare the size of a nexus 7 rom to any s4 rom.
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Sure, the Note 10.1 is slow, but the problem isn't how light or heavy the ROM is, the lag happens because the Java-based Android Runtime isn't a optimized as iOS, for example.

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Sure, the Note 10.1 is slow, but the problem isn't how light or heavy the ROM is, the lag happens because the Java-based Android Runtime isn't a optimized as iOS, for example.
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It's actually dalvik at runtime. Dalvik virtual machine and kitkat is optimized quite well.
When you add a huge amount of code on top of that of course it will change the performance.
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It's actually dalvik at runtime. Dalvik virtual machine and kitkat is optimized quite well.
When you add a huge amount of code on top of that of course it will change the performance.
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Sure, but it'll never be as good as iOS or WP, sadly.
Anyway, here's a closer look at the new TW, and, you guys can kill me, but I really like it. http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-...z-what-changed-with-Samsungs-software_id53163

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Sure, but it'll never be as good as iOS or WP, sadly.
Anyway, here's a closer look at the new TW, and, you guys can kill me, but I really like it. http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-...z-what-changed-with-Samsungs-software_id53163
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Actually that's a matter of opinion. My nexus 7 2013 and HTC one run as well as any iOS device I've played with. And they're of course other factors such iOS locked down system, boring home screen, no widgets, tiny screen etc.
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Saw today a tweet from O2. 661 Euro. That is a lot of money. Think I have to pass.

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Saw today a tweet from O2. 661 Euro. That is a lot of money. Think I have to pass.
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Damn.

Should I buy the one plus 3T or wait for the one plus 5/4 ?

With the recent rumors on OP4/5 specs and release date should I get the OP3T or wait ?
I can't stay 2 or 3 more months with the state of my current phone btw.

U can buy!!!
If you are not worried about cosmetic changes like dual curved display(rumour) and all then u can definetly go with op3t because i beleive sd 835 performance relative to sd 821 will be neglible.

did you own your oneplus device?
if not, go and buy 3T without waiting.

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If you are not worried about cosmetic changes like dual curved display(rumour) and all then u can definetly go with op3t because i beleive sd 835 performance relative to sd 821 will be neglible.
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Not so sure about it. From Snapdragon 820 to 821 there isn't a huge gap, but from Snapdragon 821 to 835, there will much differencies, like "revisited" Fast Charge for example.

I have bought One+1, One+2, and One+3, and have all of them within my family. So, I think I have the necessary authority to comment on the matter.
If you want a simple answer, it would be "yes, please go for it."
The complicated answer would be, it would depend on your situation.
If you don't have a primary driver and need a smartphone urgently, go get the OnePlus 3T. Don't wait for the next iteration as it will not be worth the trouble if you don't have a phone like 3T.
But if you already have a primary driver then advice you to wait for a couple of months.
By the way, my primary driver is One+ 1, with no regrets. I look down on other phones no matter how new, because One+1 still manages to perform and look better than them. You can call me a "phonist" (like the racist), you know what I mean.

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Not so sure about it. From Snapdragon 820 to 821 there isn't a huge gap, but from Snapdragon 821 to 835, there will much difference, like "revisited" Fast Charge for example.
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there will be relatively big differences but there will not be big performance differences, like it might be deca-core but it will be low GHz so almost obsolete difference, really there will just be cool differences that we will all love to try and make the most of but really within a month it'll be like eh basically the same.

I don't understand posts like this....if you always wait til the next upgrade you'd never buy a phone!
The 3t is already touted as one of the best phones around (for the money it certainly is), so why hesitate? The OS is in a good state, its reliable and fast and has only been out a couple of months. Personally I think it could do with a bigger battery - fast charge is a poor way to go about reducing the size (and cost) of batteries in devices. People want longevity, not having to carry around chargers incase it doesn't make the end of the day! I wish manufacturers would start listening and putting in bigger batteries. My Huawei Mate 9 Porsche has a 4000 mah battery and has no problem reaching the end of the day yet the device is the same size as the OP3T!
The screen could be better too. But its certainly zippy non laggy and ticks all the right boxes.