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Hi all,
I cannot but tell you this huge doubt that has been haunting me since I got my Nexus 4: is this new 4.2 lockscreen really an improvement?
For me, it can be considered as a step forward (widgets) and two steps backward (camera and Google Now).
Let me explain:
Step back 1: the camera is now accessible only by swiping the screen to the right
Step back 2: Google Now is hidden as a tiny, little, dotted ring in the far bottom of the screen (see attached image)
Step forward: widgets to the left screen
This is all related to the new circle lock widget, that now allows you only to unlock the phone by dragging the center to whatever position in the borders (see attached image).
And you wanna now why Google did this? I'm strongly convinced they did it because of Apple's lockscreen patent. No joke and no flame intended here. If you read the patent, it clearly says that
The device is unlocked if contact with the display corresponds to a predefined gesture for unlocking the device.
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Well, with this upgrade the "predefined gesture" exists no more. Before Android 4.2, the only way you could slide to unlock was to move from point A (center) to point B (right): that's exactly what we call a "predefined gesture". Now you can slide to unlock from point A (center) to point B (right), or point C (left), or point D (bottom), and so on. In Android 4.2 the user is free to unlock to whatever position he or she feels like, Google is safe from Apple lawtrolls, but my impression is that we all lose here.
If this is not the reason, I can't figure out why they did this.
Honestly, who cares to unlock to whatever position? It is an automated gesture, I hardly see anyone saying "Oh, thank God, I really needed to swipe left and now I can, good job Google".
Now, instead of having three of the most useful apps in one place, and unlocking them immediately, we have to break this process in three different procedures. This is not immediate, this is awful and I'd like Google to revert to how things were before. They can leave the widgets, but the circle lock widget has to be restored as we have seen it in 4.1.
What do you think? Is this new lockscreen really this big improvement or, like me, do you see more cons than pros?
overall, im ok with it. like the google now thing is fine. but sliding left and right can sometimes be bothersome, but it wont kill me
It is just the start. They will build on it.
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I was worried as well, After using it on my GNex i have to say i like it, Alot of 3rd party apps have updated and are usable like Hd Widgets and Falcon for twitter. Im sure many more will follow.Getting to the camera and google now still only take 1 swipe. I see where you are coming from but adding functionality is hardly a step back. You dont have to use widgets and getting to Gnow and the camera are just as simple
i really do like the google now being down there. its where the home button actually is, which makes sense since you do drag up from the home button to get to google now quickly when on any screen (besides the lock screen of course). a bit more organized and less confusing for those who are coming to this phone for the first time
I just want my clock widget to get better from the black eye it's got.
What I'm saying is that the overall third party widget idea is more than welcome, but Google could have done much better by keeping Google Now and the Camera app within the lock circle and giving more space to widgets: that would have been accessible not only by swiping to the left, but also to the right.
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i really do like the Google Now being down there. its where the home button actually is, which makes sense since you do drag up from the home button to get to Google Now quickly when on any screen (besides the lock screen of course). a bit more organized and less confusing for those who are coming to this phone for the first time
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You know, at first I thought they had eliminated Google Now completely, then a friend of mine told me that it was in fact hidden behind that little dotted circle.
Every time you unlock in 4.1, you see a giant Google Now logo; in 4.2, if you want to get access to it in the lock screen, you have to go figure it out.
UltimateGoblin said:
You know, at first I thought they had eliminated Google Now completely.
A friend of mine had to tell me that it was in fact hidden behind that little dotted circle.
Every time you unlock in 4.1, you see a giant Google Now logo.
In 4.2, if you want to get access to it in the lock screen, you have to go figure it out.
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but youre used to it being on the lock screen, like sliding it up. im saying more for those who are new to the phone. they may be like "oh, sliding up on the home button gives me google now. cool!" then they will think that, and when going to the lock screen, it'll be the same process for them. now thats only my speculation. but i understand what you mean
It looks like a bug for me!!! The 4.1 lockscreen was way better!
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Old lockscreen found running on 4.2 Nexus 4
Thought this might interest you, also I would love to know how this is possible.
Here in the UK I tried out a Nexus 4 in a Carphone Warehouse store yesterday. We opened the box for the first time, booted up the phone and it presented us with the 4.1 version of the lockscreen .
The thing is, the phone was running on Android 4.2, I checked the settings, it was confirmed to be Android 4.2.
I am desperately trying to find a way to restore the old lock screen. The camera loads slower, the widgets are rubbish and I hate the new clock typeface.
Does anyone else know how this could be possible? The phone was unboxed and came straight from Google.
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Thought this might interest you, also I would love to know how this is possible.
Here in the UK I tried out a Nexus 4 in a Carphone Warehouse store yesterday. We opened the box for the first time, booted up the phone and it presented us with the 4.1 version of the lockscreen .
The thing is, the phone was running on Android 4.2, I checked the settings, it was confirmed to be Android 4.2.
I am desperately trying to find a way to restore the old lock screen. The camera loads slower, the widgets are rubbish and I hate the new clock typeface.
Does anyone else know how this could be possible? The phone was unboxed and came straight from Google.
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if you read reviews on the device, they were running 4.2 without the lockscreen widgets. the OTA implemented the functionality. idk why everyone thinks its bad. im ok with it. maybe the devs will include the option to have the old lockscreen in a custom ROM in the future
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if you read reviews on the device, they were running 4.2 without the lockscreen widgets. the OTA implemented the functionality. idk why everyone thinks its bad. im ok with it. maybe the devs will include the option to have the old lockscreen in a custom ROM in the future
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Oh now that is interesting, I'm very surprised Google didn't allow people to retain the old lock screen. One can only hope they listen to complaints and roll out an option to toggle widgets, customise clock typeface, etc.
I find accessing the camera by swiping to be a slower experience than before. It makes all that work speeding up the shutter seem a little pointless.
Not only that but sliding between widgets is very awkward when you have a phone case on. Step backwards indeed.
Initially I didn't like it, but it's kinda grown on me now. And I actually like the look of the clock with the hour in bold :victory:
If it's ever too humid or I'm too sweaty, making the phone that easy to unlock one way or another leads to some nasty accidents in the pocket. One time I ended up pocket calling two people over 20 times in the period of an hour. And that was with the original slide to unlock. It was so bad I had to put a pin lock on it temporarily.
For those complaining about the bold hour font on the clock you can easily download a mod to change it.
I didn't like the two flashing boxes that appeared for the widget screens so I downloaded a mod and now I just see the clock and the pattern unlock.
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For those complaining about the bold hour font on the clock you can easily download a mod to change it.
I didn't like the two flashing boxes that appeared for the widget screens so I downloaded a mod and now I just see the clock and the pattern unlock.
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That sounds great, which specific mod is that good sir?
I dont Understand why People are complaining about Smth so small
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The lock screen is too buggy
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arzbhatia said:
The lock screen is too buggy
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Really? I haven't found any bugs whatsoever in 4.2 so far.
Google’s latest Android version 4.2 may not be a major upgrade from 4.1, but it sure does come with unfinished work and some improvements to be done. This update feels like it’s in beta with random restarts and lag issues. Here’s my list of improvements that I’d love to see in 4.2.1 - Warning: Some of you may not agree with the following.
Notification Bar + Profile Bar:
The new Notification Bar brings some improvements to 4.2, with the setting shortcut placed nicely on the right corner for easy thumb access; instead of on the middle-left, like on 4.1
But, there’s a missing link to the 2nd Notification Bar; instead of being toggle buttons, it’s just another shortcut to the settings page. Why give us more shortcut icons?
Lock Screen + Widgets:
Yet another slight improvement. With the changes to the Roboto font and alignment of your security pin-box, the system seems to look sleek, professional and welcoming, rather than the clunky look and feel of 4.1
But, the new Lock Screen Widget feature in 4.2 redefines everything I said above, this makes the once welcoming screen look childish, unattractive and cluttered. Sure, it’s fun to play around with for awhile, but it kills the purpose of a “Lock screen”, and that's a bad thing.
Image: http://bit.ly/ScjVr2
Camera + Photo-Sphere:
The updated camera UI is stunning! With the new setting chooser, it’s easy to access everything with one hand, unlike the old messy UI where everything was scattered everywhere.
But, this new Photo-Sphere functionality is just another gimmick, waste of space and effort. Sure, people will use it for the first 2 weeks, but eventually they’ll move on to taking “regular” photos like “regular” people; instead of lining up blue dots into a Pokeball (If you don’t see a Pokeball, I feel for your childhood).
Image: http://bit.ly/RRuoIv
Play Store + Extra Download Page:
What’s up with this extra download page? How about we focus on “Google Playground” where I can save my games and not lose them when I have to factory reset? Or challenge my friends on Google+ with scoreboards? Oh yeah, the store needs a major design overhaul, like... right now!
Image: http://bit.ly/QWcmaU
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Notification Bar + Profile Bar:
... instead of being toggle buttons, it’s just another shortcut to the settings page. Why give us more shortcut icons?
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Same thougths here. I miss the TapToToggle-HoldToEnter-functionality of the S III
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On the Nexus 7 with 4.2 you can choose which view you pull down.
Pull down in left part => Notifications
Pull dwon in right part => Settings
That would be nice on the Nexus 4 too
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Lock Screen + Widgets:
But, the new Lock Screen Widget feature in 4.2 redefines everything I said above, this makes the once welcoming screen look childish, unattractive and cluttered. Sure, it’s fun to play around with for awhile, but it kills the purpose of a “Lock screen”, and that's a bad thing.
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I like the fast camera access. Swipe to left, take photo :good:
But the Lockscreen-Widgets are lame. The "FastEnter"-Apps like in AOSP/CM10 or Stock SIII are much better
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Camera + Photo-Sphere:
... blue dots into a Pokeball (If you don’t see a Pokeball, I feel for your childhood).
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:laugh: You made my day :good:
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Play Store + Extra Download Page:
What’s up with this extra download page? How about we focus on “Google Playground” where I can save my games and not lose them when I have to factory reset? Or challenge my friends on Google+ with scoreboards? Oh yeah, the store needs a major design overhaul, like... right now!
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100% agree. Google-Cloud for save files, app settings, etc would be very nice
I felt like Lockscreen widgets and quick settings are responses to what the community are customizing. You have a wildly popular app called WidgetLockr, and all skins are placing toggles on the status bar. I can see how they are not willing to copy what others did directly but really, those are the best solutions out there. So I'm still gonna root, install widgetlockr and power toggle for those stuff.
xXSturmiXx said:
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On the Nexus 7 with 4.2 you can choose which view you pull down.
Pull down in left part => Notifications
Pull dwon in right part => Settings
That would be nice on the Nexus 4 too
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Swipe down with one finger -> notifications
Swipe down with two fingers -> settings
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:laugh: You made my day :good:
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HA! It's true... I cannot unsee it, now lol
Lockscreen widgets aren't my type of thing, like OP said, it'll be fun for a few weeks then just get boring, never used lockscreen "widgets" that came with sense either. I also favor 4.1's status bar+toggles, compared to 4.2 which is slightly still an attractive approach to switching things up(or on...pun intended) and making more room.
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Honestly one of the little things that drives me crazy is the rotation of the camera. I don't see why the whole screen has to rotate to landscape when you turn the phone. Why can't just the onscreen controls rotate instead of the whole frame? Seems pointless but then again its a small insignificant issue.
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babalonius508 said:
Honestly one of the little things that drives me crazy is the rotation of the camera. I don't see why the whole screen has to rotate to landscape when you turn the phone. Why can't just the onscreen controls rotate instead of the whole frame? Seems pointless but then again its a small insignificant issue.
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Yeah that was tripping me out as well...it was better when only the icons rotated.
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I'm not sure how lock screen widgets defeat the whole purpose of the lock screen? The whole point of the lock screen to me is a buffer screen that stops you from accidentally activating your phone by making you perform specific actions on the screen. The new lock screen still does that quite well.
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Chrono_Tata said:
I'm not sure how lock screen widgets defeat the whole purpose of the lock screen? The whole point of the lock screen to me is a buffer screen that stops you from accidentally activating your phone by making you perform specific actions on the screen. The new lock screen still does that quite well.
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Nah, the lockscreen widgets allow you to look-but-no-touch. The appeal is still there, in that you cant accidentally mess things up with screen widgets in your pocket because they require unlock before you can mess with them.
Except for the camera, but there isn't a whole lot of bad that could be done with that.
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I like the fast camera access. Swipe to left, take photo :good:
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Tell me what you had to do on lockscreen to take picture on 4.1?
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Google’s latest Android version 4.2 may not be a major upgrade from 4.1, but it sure does come with unfinished work and some improvements to be done. This update feels like it’s in beta with random restarts and lag issues. Here’s my list of improvements that I’d love to see in 4.2.1 - Warning: Some of you may not agree with the following.
Notification Bar + Profile Bar:
The new Notification Bar brings some improvements to 4.2, with the setting shortcut placed nicely on the right corner for easy thumb access; instead of on the middle-left, like on 4.1
But, there’s a missing link to the 2nd Notification Bar; instead of being toggle buttons, it’s just another shortcut to the settings page. Why give us more shortcut icons?
Lock Screen + Widgets:
Yet another slight improvement. With the changes to the Roboto font and alignment of your security pin-box, the system seems to look sleek, professional and welcoming, rather than the clunky look and feel of 4.1
But, the new Lock Screen Widget feature in 4.2 redefines everything I said above, this makes the once welcoming screen look childish, unattractive and cluttered. Sure, it’s fun to play around with for awhile, but it kills the purpose of a “Lock screen”, and that's a bad thing.
Image: http://bit.ly/ScjVr2
Camera + Photo-Sphere:
The updated camera UI is stunning! With the new setting chooser, it’s easy to access everything with one hand, unlike the old messy UI where everything was scattered everywhere.
But, this new Photo-Sphere functionality is just another gimmick, waste of space and effort. Sure, people will use it for the first 2 weeks, but eventually they’ll move on to taking “regular” photos like “regular” people; instead of lining up blue dots into a Pokeball (If you don’t see a Pokeball, I feel for your childhood).
Image: http://bit.ly/RRuoIv
Play Store + Extra Download Page:
What’s up with this extra download page? How about we focus on “Google Playground” where I can save my games and not lose them when I have to factory reset? Or challenge my friends on Google+ with scoreboards? Oh yeah, the store needs a major design overhaul, like... right now!
Image: http://bit.ly/QWcmaU
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Agree 100% with all. Can you talk to the Common Sense department at Google and get this stuff worked on
crawlgsx said:
Agree 100% with all. Can you talk to the Common Sense department at Google and get this stuff worked on
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I also posted this on Google+, hopefully Google sees this
2nd thought... I don't think they'll care lol. :silly:
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(If you don’t see a Pokeball, I feel for your childhood).
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I'm 31 years old; I understand references to Snarf and Optimus Prime. Poke-whatever did not factor into my childhood.
EDIT: I guess I should actually post something constructive:
- I also wish the second notification bar was more than just shortcuts. Why aren't they buttons? I put the Power Control widget back on my phone for the first time since in quite a while
- I don't ever imagine using the lockscreen widgets; at least not the ones that are available now. I absolutely despise the bolded first digit in the clock widget. Despise it. It looks ugly and I can't understand why they did that. It's stupid and I'm getting mad just thinking about it again. F***.
- Haven't tried photosphere yet; it's not something that I think about
- Extra download page...I dunno, something else I haven't thought about at all.
My own thing:
- Swiping keyboard is the bees knees.
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Camera + Photo-Sphere:
The updated camera UI is stunning! With the new setting chooser, it’s easy to access everything with one hand, unlike the old messy UI where everything was scattered everywhere.
But, this new Photo-Sphere functionality is just another gimmick, waste of space and effort. Sure, people will use it for the first 2 weeks, but eventually they’ll move on to taking “regular” photos like “regular” people; instead of lining up blue dots into a Pokeball (If you don’t see a Pokeball, I feel for your childhood).
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For me this is no gimmick at all. I frequently have to resort to drawings and painstaking email descriptions to describe physical spaces in my line of work. As imperfect as Photo Sphere is at the moment, it's a quantum leap ahead in terms of camera usefulness for me. It's quite literally a 'worth a thousand words' thing.
The only lockscreen widget I have is a clock from HD widgets that looks nicer than the stock one and shows battery %. Other than that I don't see much point to it.
The settings pulldown on the n7 did annoy me at first as it is positioned where I would normally have pulled down for notifications. I wish it would toggle WiFi/Bluetooth rather than going to settings. Maybe short press to toggle long press for settings.
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Fully agree on the notification toggles and lockscreen.
Notification toggles should work like they do in CM, press to toggle, long-press to visit the settings.
Without getting into a debate on the usefulness of lockscreen widgets, the design and layout of the lockscreen is convoluted and messy. Definitely needs to be refined.
Two places to swipe from (Lock and Home button)
Interface to add widgets is odd, why do they appear small on the clock screen first after they are added?
Way too much flashing with the white boxes, feels like it's perpetually in an edit/drag to adjust mode
I say at a minimum, drop the soft-nav keys on the lockscreen and return to have Google now being a swipe upwards and kill the flashing white boxes.
babalonius508 said:
Honestly one of the little things that drives me crazy is the rotation of the camera. I don't see why the whole screen has to rotate to landscape when you turn the phone. Why can't just the onscreen controls rotate instead of the whole frame? Seems pointless but then again its a small insignificant issue.
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+1
Harry Pothead said:
Swipe down with one finger -> notifications
Swipe down with two fingers -> settings
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I don't want to use two hands
Harry Pothead said:
Swipe down with one finger -> notifications
Swipe down with two fingers -> settings
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Life feels good again. Thanks bro!
I honestly feel that Google did send this update out as an almost unfinished product, and will be fixing this later. Only question is, how long will it take. Those with Galaxy Nexus', are updates pretty frequent?
Samsung's new interface is astonishingly smooth. At first I thought it was just going to be another sluggish UI just like TouchWiz but I have to admit I was wrong. I was planning on junking my Unlocked S9 since it was a slow sluggish mess for a Pixel. I installed the S9 Pie + OneUI beta on release day and been using it since. I can not get the UI to hiccup at all no matter how much I try. After reading about Samsung UX it appears that they got some help from Google to enhance it's interface and it definitely paid off.
Memory management is still absurd for a phone with 4GB of memory. I switch beta HTC, Samsung and Google designed phones and always found myself back to HTC's Sense UI.
newbieandroid said:
Samsung's new interface is astonishingly smooth. At first I thought it was just going to be another sluggish UI just like TouchWiz but I have to admit I was wrong. I was planning on junking my Unlocked S9 since it was a slow sluggish mess for a Pixel. I installed the S9 Pie + OneUI beta on release day and been using it since. I can not get the UI to hiccup at all no matter how much I try. After reading about Samsung UX it appears that they got some help from Google to enhance it's interface and it definitely paid off.
Memory management is still absurd for a phone with 4GB of memory. I switch beta HTC, Samsung and Google designed phones and always found myself back to HTC's Sense UI.
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Hi, could you share an dump for all the apps from pie?
I love the new Ui UX too. And the little things are really great ~ like the clock icon changes to reflect the actual time!!
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One thing I don't really like about the OneUI:
Bluetooth and Alarm icons don't show in your status bar anymore. They only show up when you pull down the notification shade (Samsung responded to my feedback and confirmed this is to keep the status bar "clean")
MistaJae said:
One thing I don't really like about the OneUI:
Bluetooth and Alarm icons don't show in your status bar anymore. They only show up when you pull down the notification shade (Samsung responded to my feedback and confirmed this is to keep the status bar "clean")
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Thought it was a bug myself ahah
The alarm icon was annoying
MistaJae said:
One thing I don't really like about the OneUI:
Bluetooth and Alarm icons don't show in your status bar anymore. They only show up when you pull down the notification shade (Samsung responded to my feedback and confirmed this is to keep the status bar "clean")
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The alarm icon was annoying
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Yeah, it's annoying having to do an extra step just to see if I've set my alarm for work.
Another thing I don't like is the fact they've removed the battery saving option from location settings (but this is a Google change not Samsung)
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Yeah, it's annoying having to do an extra step just to see if I've set my alarm for work.
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Wouldn't you have to do that anyways, to see what time the alarm was set for?
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AMoosa said:
Wouldn't you have to do that anyways, to see what time the alarm was set for?
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I have alarm set for the same time monday to friday, but I have random days off work and don't always remember if I've turned it off/on. Having the icon in the bar acted as a prompt for me. Now I have to unlock my phone and pull the notification down to check.
It's not the end of the world, but it is an extra step for me
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I have alarm set for the same time monday to friday, but I have random days off work and don't always remember if I've turned it off/on. Having the icon in the bar acted as a prompt for me. Now I have to unlock my phone and pull the notification down to check.
It's not the end of the world, but it is an extra step for me
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I agree. I registered it as a bug only to discover later that it was a feature. In some regards I like it. But I feel it should be a customizable feature.
MistaJae said:
I have alarm set for the same time monday to friday, but I have random days off work and don't always remember if I've turned it off/on. Having the icon in the bar acted as a prompt for me. Now I have to unlock my phone and pull the notification down to check.
It's not the end of the world, but it is an extra step for me
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Latest OTA puts the alarm icon back on the status bar.
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Latest OTA puts the alarm icon back on the status bar.
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Awesome. Plenty of people had mentioned the missing icons in the feedback in the Members app. Samsung genuinely listened to the feedback!
'Close all apps' also now works with 3rd party launchers in the latest beta
The battery is awesome i am getting about 4-5 screen on time!
its butter smooth, rather on oreo i was getting max of 2 screen on time! and it was laggy and freeze
Ive an issue. Since updating to this, my phone won't see any SSID's, at all, none. It just spins and scanning.
MistaJae said:
One thing I don't really like about the OneUI:
Bluetooth and Alarm icons don't show in your status bar anymore. They only show up when you pull down the notification shade (Samsung responded to my feedback and confirmed this is to keep the status bar "clean")
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Can you share this feedback for me to Samsung please... im on beta 3 build december patch on Android pie 9 but i have seen that they havent fixed a bug that still persist since beta 1 was released. When you pull down notification shade and Open a new incoming message or music app even though is in memory it last like 2 second to open.. that delay is not present in oreo roms and its kind of annoying.. can you please share this feedback to program beta.. I appreciate your help. I dont know if its a bug or windows animation but dont like a bit!!!
Not to happy of the "cards" layout i settings, any way to get the old looks again?
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Does anyone know where they have moved the icon framing option? Or if it's been removed entirely, I can't remember where I found it on Oreo, and I can't find it at all on Pie.
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Does anyone know where they have moved the icon framing option? Or if it's been removed entirely, I can't remember where I found it on Oreo, and I can't find it at all on Pie.
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Don't know about stock, but Nova Launcher has that option
It was about perfect for me running CRLB on the S9 except 5G wifi didn't work. Unfortunately that's a deal breaker right now. Is there a website that states what's new in these updates?
So I was curious what people thought after they got their Pie updates? (I'm still waiting)
-Is it faster/slower?
-Any change in battery life?
-Thoughts on Google gestures?
-Any other thoughts?
sleze said:
So I was curious what people thought after they got their Pie updates? (I'm still waiting)
-Is it faster/slower?
-Any change in battery life?
-Thoughts on Google gestures?
-Any other thoughts?
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Same speed for me.
Battery seems the same.
Gestures are worthless.
sleze said:
So I was curious what people thought after they got their Pie updates? (I'm still waiting)
-Is it faster/slower?
-Any change in battery life?
-Thoughts on Google gestures?
-Any other thoughts?
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Seems about the same speed/battery life for me.
The recent apps view is a big step backwards to me, the side scrolling cards is not as easy nor helpful as the vertical view was. I still think Samsung's multiwindow mode is better than Google's and I do not think 9.0 improved it.
Adding a dark theme is nice, but implementation is inconsistent. I am surprised basic things like the settings pages do not use it. But it is nice for the keyboard, messages, and phone.
I'd agree the new pill gesture setup isn't great. The motorola fingerprint gestures is nicer.
The tiny settings icon in the notification drop-down is annoying enough I've given up on it.
Other than some other gui changes (icons and the like), it isn't that different from 8.1.
That's kind of the impression I have been getting for a while. Our phones already have great battery life and moto actions.
I am losing excitement for this update...
It was faster, the battery runs faster than 8.1, I do not like gestures, even though I feel that applications still need to be polished for Pie.
Return to 8.1 for these last two dimensions.
Just installed the update tonight. Performance-wise, it feels the same. Don't know yet about the battery life, since I just got it about an hour ago.
I also found that the pill gesture setup was not up to par. It doesn't add anything extra to the original setup. It still occupies the same bottom screen space.
Dark mode is nice, but I wish it was implemented system wide instead of just by individual app. But probably this depends more on the app developers. But even system apps such as settings don't always have the dark mode.
Lastly, to access the gear settings icon, now you have to pull the notifications bar twice. Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it used to be just once?
jb2112 said:
Lastly, to access the gear settings icon, now you have to pull the notifications bar twice. Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it used to be just once?
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Yes. I noticed this too. The gear was accessible from the notification bar.
I pretty much agree with what others have said so far. Based either on actual speed improvements, tweaks to the animations, or the update placebo effect, 9.0 does feel a bit snappier switching between apps than 8.1.
The only thing I don't like is that the update seems to have made SwiftKey fonts bigger which is mildly annoying.
Pretty disappointed with this version of Android. The recent apps is now destroyed. It's a worse way to interact with your recent apps. Don't even bother with the gestures. Totally half baked. One button nav is superior in every way. The notification pull down is just hideous. The clock is on the wrong side and no way to change it. Why there's no way to change it is beyond stupid. The dark theme option is extremely inconsistent. Won't even darken the settings window for instance. You now have to pull the notification share down twice to access settings versus only one with Oreo. Seems that we've lost a lot of functionality and are being told it's a feature. Perfect example are the volume controls. What a joke.
The whole thing just looks like an iPhone rip off. And the general graphic style sucks. Material design is dead.
Performance and battery seem to stay the same. Overall a poor effort from Google on this. Going to have to root this thing so I can deal with some of the idiotic things they decided to go with. Worst Android update since I can remember. Can't wait to go back to Oreo.
A couple more observations. The volume bar is now on the right side of the screen, next to the volume buttons. It also allows direct access to sound settings. I don't mind this as it feels more intuitive to me. If you long press the power button, now there's an option to take screenshot. I like this since I don't have to fumble again with two hands to take screenshot.
A big change is split screen. Previously, you can just long press the overview button to use split screen. Now you have to tap the overview button (or swipe up from the pill, if you use that), then long press on the icon on top of the app, then select split screen. If you use split screen a lot, this change is annoying to say the least.
cpthornman said:
The clock is on the wrong side and no way to change it.
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That change throws me off. I keep looking for the clock on the right side. And I agree with you; Google copied some of iOS UI while kept some of their own, making it an inconsistent experience.
Fingerprint Lock
I can no longer lock my phone using the fingerprint sensor. I think this is a bug because it is selected in the "Lock Screen Preferences" settings but it does not lock the phone. This may seem like a small thing but it completely disrupts how I'm used to using the phone. I'm using the Google Fi Android One version.
mandarip said:
I can no longer lock my phone using the fingerprint sensor. I think this is a bug because it is selected in the "Lock Screen Preferences" settings but it does not lock the phone. This may seem like a small thing but it completely disrupts how I'm used to using the phone. I'm using the Google Fi Android One version.
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I am on the same version, and it works ok for me.
Edit: I am using One Button Nav
jhedfors said:
I am on the same version, and it works ok for me.
Edit: I am using One Button Nav
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I don't seem to have the one button nav option. Unless I'm not looking in the right place - Moto Actions?
mandarip said:
I don't seem to have the one button nav option. Unless I'm not looking in the right place - Moto Actions?
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If you have the Android One variant, one button nav is disabled on it.
jb2112 said:
If you have the Android One variant, one button nav is disabled on it.
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Yes, that's what I suspected and I suppose that could be the reason the fingerprint lock does not work after the update as well.
mandarip said:
I don't seem to have the one button nav option. Unless I'm not looking in the right place - Moto Actions?
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It is disabled in A1 version. You can get the option enabled by removing the following prop:
ro.mot.android_one
If you are using Magisk, there is a module that you can use for this:
MagiskHide Props Config
Confirmed that this works on Oreo and Pie.
Edit: updated 12/27
mandarip said:
Yes, that's what I suspected and I suppose that could be the reason the fingerprint lock does not work after the update as well.
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Fingerprint lock works on my Android One model without one button nav. Have you tried removing and adding your fingerprints again?
mandarip said:
Yes, that's what I suspected and I suppose that could be the reason the fingerprint lock does not work after the update as well.
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Fingerprint lock still works for me though. I also have A1 variant.
This update is underwhelming for me little changes that are just seemingly random and pointless. I'm especially disappointed that the update broke Google pay , prior to pie I've been taking ota's fine with no impact on gpay.
Jizzylax said:
Fingerprint lock works on my Android One model without one button nav. Have you tried removing and adding your fingerprints again?
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Yep tried that. It's weird because I can unlock the phone with my fingerprint but I can't lock it again. It's obviously recognizing the fingerprint but not for locking purposes.
jhedfors said:
It is disabled in A1 version. You can get the option by removing the following prop:
ro.mot.android_one
I toggled it off and the fingerprint lock works. I would be curious to hear from others...
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I haven't rooted this phone yet, but this will be the first thing I do if I go that route.
So there's been some changes with beta build #5, and I'm reading my GA is gonna hook me up with some Krazy Kool custom features to jazz up my At A Glance field(I know, field is the best I could grab but it's not a widget becuz you can't kill it)?!
I hope she thinks of something soon cuz I'm left with this glorified calendar/schedule events thing that's there for the duration (see shots below). Can't even scrape what's left off the glass?! Lol, jk
p.s. Let us all not forget, we wanted beta so we got it.
p.s.s. for the record, the actual At A Glance widget is about midway down on my home screen, as I put it there just for illustrative purposes to accurately reflect what the other critter used to look like back in the day!
Yes, seems it's a bug with latest beta. Hopefully fixed with final version.
Lpen21 said:
Yes, seems it's a bug with latest beta. Hopefully fixed with final version.
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I was thinking it was just incomplete, they rushed it or something cuz they got like 3 toggles built into features? Me, I'm maybe a lone-wolf on this, but I've always liked this one from Google(widget whatever), and back a few now that At A Glance sorta spun off of the Google Now launcher theme, didn't it? The little frog dude that pops into the scene, is kinda kool when you close the app(or screen)and go back and tap the weather side of the widget!
(I'm probably the only one on that note)? smh
The three toggles are for customization, I think you will be able to add or turn off calendar, weather etc. It even looks like we will be able to remove at a glance altogether and add your own widget if you go to home settings and tap on cog it has option to disable but currently not working
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The three toggles are for customization, I think you will be able to add or turn off calendar, weather etc. It even looks like we will be able to remove at a glance altogether and add your own widget if you go to home settings and tap on cog it has option to disable but currently not working
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Sounds pretty cool and besides what were they thinking putting something permanent on our home screens....how dare they?