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first 25% of battery drops fast?

Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP

The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.

From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?

I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.

netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
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I do... Maybe I shouldn't?

I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.

gqstatus0685 said:
You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.

I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)

kilrah said:
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.

depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.

*UPDATE*
ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it

Spare battery + Wiping battery stats?

So...I don't think this has been brought up here before, so I figure I'll be the dummy who asks. If I recalibrate (bump charge), and wipe battery stats, is it safe to assume that swapping out batteries (spares) will mess this up? I plan on picking up a spare battery, but wondered about this. Any input? Thanks in advance.

Not sure about the "bump" policy around here. but...........BUMP

Just charge the battery and use the phone. Don't get caught up in the whole wipe stats to create longer battery life craze.

I just swap batteries when needed about midday. I ignore the battery stats. They don't affect my use of the phone.

newter55 said:
Just charge the battery and use the phone. Don't get caught up in the whole wipe stats to create longer battery life craze.
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I understand that wiping stats does not "improve" battery life. but I have no problem believing that with a recalibrated battery (@ 100%), wiping stats will help the phone/battery meter "read" more correctly.
ua549 said:
I just swap batteries when needed about midday. I ignore the battery stats. They don't affect my use of the phone.
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I thought so too, but I believe coupling it with a bump charge helped me a lot. I'll explain:
I recalibrated my battery about a week ago, (didn't know about wiping stats) I improved by about 3 or 4 hours daily, bringing me up to about 15 hours of use on a charge.
However,before I posted this thread, I did a recalibrate along with a wipe, then allowed the battery to drain and then a complete recharge. As of right now (27 1/2 hours later) I'm still looking at 30%
However, thats not why I started this thread though, I am simply wondering if swapping batteries back and forth will affect the stats and how the phone reads the state of the battery. (makes sense that it would I guess)
any input on THAT would be awesome, thanks in advance.

True. Unplugging the charger as soon as it shows 100% won't give you a full charge since it's not really accurate. I believe the charge complete notification is triggered by the charger shutting down. Not positive but I have noticed that can be triggered at varying times after 100% is reached.
Swapping batteries does mess it up but I can't say how much. There's always going to be a difference in charge between the two, and depending on different brands, a difference in the battery capacity and voltage at different % levels.
In short: The charge circuit measures amps going in and coming out, and remembers voltage levels at different times, so swapping batteries or using external chargers probably confuses it a bit.

Would it be possible to just create a separate batterystats file for the spare battery and swap out the files when the batteries get swapped out?

There was a post recently by a Google engineer, Dianne Hackborn (can't link yet, just google "Dianne Hackborn battery stats" and you should find it).
It explains that the battery stats come from data/system/batterystats.bin and are reset every time you unplug with a "relatively full charge." The file is reflected in the battery use screen.
It won't affect how much battery level is shown to you or how long your battery lasts.

battery calibration is useless

it was revealed by "Dianne Hackborn" from google android team a while ago. i'm posting it here because some of p970 users still doing this calibration thing.
here is the post:
"The battery indicator in the status/notification bar is a reflection of the batterystats.bin file in the data/system/ directory."
No, it does not.
This file is used to maintain, across reboots, low-level data about the kinds of operations the device and your apps are doing between battery changes. That is, it is solely used to compute the blame for battery usage shown in the "Battery Use" UI in settings.
That is, it has deeply significant things like "app X held a wake lock for 2 minutes" and "the screen was on at 60% brightness for 10 minutes."
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you.
It has no impact on your battery life.
Deleting it is not going to do anything to make your more device more fantastic and wonderful... well, unless you have some deep hatred for seeing anything shown in the battery usage UI. And anyway, it is reset every time you unplug from power with a relatively full charge (thus why the battery usage UI data resets at that point), so this would be a much easier way to make it go away.
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murrun said:
it was revealed by "Dianne Hackborn" from google android team a while ago. i'm posting it here because some of p970 users still doing this calibration thing.
here is the post:
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lol you got it all wrong. he says that the battery indicator has nothing to do with tje battery stats app and then explains whar battery stats app does. this has nothing to do with calibration and if you still think calibration is useless then do a simple check. after a period of not calibrating your battery and using your phone heavily (2-3 hours of gaming for example), or even better after using your phone extensively while charging, let it go to full 100%. At that point when the phone thinks that it is full it stops charging cause the integrated safety tells it that it is full. turn off the phone remove battery for a couple of minutes and then insert it and plug it on charger. you will notice that it is charging again. turn it on withou unplugging and see the battery level. can be as low as 80ish %. which means that if you hadnt done that all that juice would not charge and be left unused. try it...

jimakos29 said:
lol you got it all wrong.
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Well, no, actually you did. What she said was that deleting the batterystats.bin does nothing more that resetting the battery usage tracking. She also said what's in the file and it sure looks like it could not even be used for anything else. You could check the code to see. Otherwise, just trust her.

1aca said:
Well, no, actually you did. What she said was that deleting the batterystats.bin does nothing more that resetting the battery usage tracking. She also said what's in the file and it sure looks like it could not even be used for anything else. You could check the code to see. Otherwise, just trust her.
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yeah but calibration is not about battery stats. is about geting your phone to understand that it is not fully charged yet even though it thinks it is. try what I suggested and you will see. the apps for calibration do nothing as they say when it is fulmy charged leave it for some more till the program tells you it is ok. actually when phone perceives itself as charged it stops charging so those programs do nothing. It is all about forcing it to fully charge once in a while (I do it once a month) by removing battery once it says it is charged and reinserting after a few minutes and recharge it and then repeating until the time that i plug it and it wont charge anymore. wiping battery stats is NOT calibrating never was or never considered calibrating. and the thread was about how calibration doesn't work (which does) not about how battery stats wiping doesn't work (which it doesnt)... so if op doesn't distingush between calibration and battery wiping and refera to the latter as the former then it is not my fault. To sum up,what the op said was that we shouldnt do calibrations because wiping battery stats doesn't work and what I said was that battery stats has nothing to do with calibration.

i'm not android veteran. but when i came across "batery calibration" term, it means "removing batterystats" at this community. so, i gues my point isn't that wrong.

murrun said:
i'm not android veteran. but when i came across "batery calibration" term, it means "removing batterystats" at this community. so, i gues my point isn't that wrong.
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well unfortunately it is not. by all means try what i said and you will see that although your battery appears charged it will charge some more and again and again before it stops charging and is really full. if i doesnt then it is calibrated if not it getsvcalibrated when after inserting it, it wont charge anymore. then after some time again (maybe a month maybe less) you will see it happening again. trust me batteries is what I make a living from.

I don't see how calibrating could hurt so if you think it helps do it. If you don't, then leave it. I did it after flashing and no ill effects.

jimakos29 said:
yeah but calibration is not about battery stats. is about geting your phone to understand that it is not fully charged yet even though it thinks it is. try what I suggested and you will see. the apps for calibration do nothing as they say when it is fulmy charged leave it for some more till the program tells you it is ok. actually when phone perceives itself as charged it stops charging so those programs do nothing. It is all about forcing it to fully charge once in a while (I do it once a month) by removing battery once it says it is charged and reinserting after a few minutes and recharge it and then repeating until the time that i plug it and it wont charge anymore. wiping battery stats is NOT calibrating never was or never considered calibrating.
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That's just plain wrong. Shall I link to a few respected "battery calibration" tutorials that revolve around deleting the batterystats.bin? Heck, there's even an option for it in CWM Recovery.
jimakos29 said:
and the thread was about how calibration doesn't work (which does) not about how battery stats wiping doesn't work (which it doesnt)... so if op doesn't distingush between calibration and battery wiping and refera to the latter as the former then it is not my fault. To sum up,what the op said was that we shouldnt do calibrations because wiping battery stats doesn't work and what I said was that battery stats has nothing to do with calibration.
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So what do you think happens when you remove the battery from your phone for a few minutes then put it back?

Battery Stats myth
1aca said:
That's just plain wrong. Shall I link to a few respected "battery calibration" tutorials that revolve around deleting the batterystats.bin? Heck, there's even an option for it in CWM Recovery.
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I have done and still doing a lot of reading in this regard. The battery stats can only be held responsible for calibration if it holds amperage and voltage values set for the phone stock battery. That myth is currently considered debunked as this file is considered only to be linked for UI purposes. It all comes down to how actually does the phone measure the battery level. If there were in-built values for voltages and current, the concept of plug and play extended batteries would be doomed and they would have been accompanied by a detailed calibration process. Then there is also the discussion of Max 17042 (I am a SGS2 user), the fuel gauge chip and how it works. Frankly, I think we first need to understand how the phone measures the battery and against which parameters, are they preset or change on the go and what are the limits.
1aca said:
So what do you think happens when you remove the battery from your phone for a few minutes then put it back?
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I was trying this method just now and what happened was after i got the 100% signal, i unplugged the battery and after giving it a rest of few minutes, plugged it back in (a new 2000 mAH extended battery by Samsung). When i l plugged in the charger again, it start charging back showing that there was either power leakage or that is what calibration is all about. Did that two three times and when finally switched the phone on, it was 100%.

samurai jacko said:
I was trying this method just now and what happened was after i got the 100% signal, i unplugged the battery and after giving it a rest of few minutes, plugged it back in (a new 2000 mAH extended battery by Samsung). When i l plugged in the charger again, it start charging back showing that there was either power leakage or that is what calibration is all about.
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You are doing what is needed to reach real 100%, a second charge cycle, see article.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries/
As stated there it will reduce battery life but increase runtime after charge...
There's nothing good without evil ;-)

murrun said:
it was revealed by "Dianne Hackborn" from google android team a while ago. i'm posting it here because some of p970 users still doing this calibration thing.
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if you got clockworkmod recovery charge your phone to 100% (8-12 hours charge should do) then go to your recovery then select advanced then there should be option for wiping battery. Hopefully it'll work!!!

Consistently Incorrect Battery Percentage

Hey all,
I have had terrible misfortune in the realm of battery stats. Ever since CM7 (and maybe even before) my phone is unable to figure out how much battery is left. Here is a common scenario:
Charge phone overnight, use phone throughout day, battery dies after 6-7 hours of moderate-heavy usage. I plug it in, reboot, and then it reports ~60% battery left.
Another common scenario is that it will dwindle around 5% battery or less and go up and down until it finally dies.
I know that this is a misreading of the battery and not battery drain or a rogue app because when I flash a new ROM the battery life is amazing for 1 day. The day after I flashed Team Hacksung's ICS rom, I got almost 17 hours of battery life with 2.75 hours of the display being on and 30 minutes of Google Music. I was blown away! But even then it was dwindling around 5% not knowing when it would actually run out. The day after, it was back to its old tricks of misreporting the battery percentage.
Today I charged it to 100%, unplugged it, and shut it off. Then I plugged it in while it was off and let it charge to 100% again and wiped battery stats in Clockwork mod. I'm getting ok-ish battery with that, but it's not even close to how good it was when I first flashed ICS.
Anyone have any ideas what I could try?
Thanks!

When you wiped the battery stats did you let the battery fully discharge and shut off before charging again?
After wiping battery stats it is recommended to let the phone fully discharge to the point where it will automatically shut off.

Keep in mind with the age of our phones, it could just mean your battery is dying. Try the above method, but in my experience uncalibrated battery only last a few days. The phone will "fix" it by itself the longer you use it.

j.curtis.369 said:
When you wiped the battery stats did you let the battery fully discharge and shut off before charging again?
After wiping battery stats it is recommended to let the phone fully discharge to the point where it will automatically shut off.
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That's what I'm doing currently. Battery life seems improved, but we'll see what happens. It's nearing death now, ~6%. At this point it will probably misreport it for a few hours until it finally dies. I left it unplugged overnight, so now it's at 19.5 hours uptime with 1.75 hours display time.
Definitely improving! I hope that it successfully recalibrates.

Battery stats have nothing to do with how the os calculates remaining battery...they are what is displayed in settings>about phone> battery use and are reset each time you charge to full.
You're just giving it a good bump charge...wiping the stats is just a placebo effect.

studacris said:
Battery stats have nothing to do with how the os calculates remaining battery...they are what is displayed in settings>about phone> battery use and are reset each time you charge to full.
You're just giving it a good bump charge...wiping the stats is just a placebo effect.
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Seriously? Wow I didn't know that. Is there a way to actually reset how the OS calculates the battery?
Does this app do anything?
https://market.android.com/details?...xLDEsImNvbS5uZW1hLmJhdHRlcnljYWxpYnJhdGlvbiJd

Nope...that app is just perpetuating the myth of what the batterystats.bin file does.

Don't hate me for this but, Then how come Roms usually give me better battery life after a full cycle? not bump charging or deleting battery.bin just running it?

Because the system for tracking the remaining power is getting to know your battery. once it gets a feel for it, it's more accurate. In theory anyway

So the "give it a day" is still true, at least in theory?

Sure
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battery gauge temporarily fixed by removal and replacement of battery
Ever since I rooted my phone, I've noticed that the battery gauge/meter is way off. I keep an eye on the charging voltage and try to pull the plug around 3.92 volts. Problem is, the gauge is always reading low until I pull the battery, wait a few minutes, and then reinsert and boot up. Then it's fine for a while, but I notice it creeping down even though I keep topping it off with a charge to keep it around 3.92 volts.
What's going on? Do I have to fully deplete the battery and charge to full to have an accurate (or somewhat accurate) battery gauge? Do I have a bad battery (this battery has been used only a couple months)? Is something else going on here? Recommendations, studacris? Doesn't the os use battery voltage to calculate state of charge (%)?

[Q] Battery problem, drops to 0% randomly

I'm aware that this problem has happened to others, and I have seen solutions for this problem, but every fix I've come across works temporarily...and by that I mean a day or two.
While using my Atrix HD, when the battery reaches between 20-35%, the battery will suddenly drop to 0% and shut down. This usually occurs when I am using an app, such as MixZing or the camera app. Any attempts to turn the phone back on cause it to shut off again as soon as the boot animation finishes. The only way to keep it on is to plug it into a charger, and when it does boot, the battery shows the same percentage it had when the phone conked out on me. I've even tried calibrating the battery using NèMa's Battery Calibration app, and the problem still occurs...mainly because I can't get the battery to drain completely so I can properly calibrate the battery.
Long story short, I need a fix, or at least a suggestion as to how I can keep this problem at bay. Does anyone have information regarding this problem?

did you ever wipe the battery data when you flashing a new rom ?
I think you need to re-reconigz the battery .

lounew said:
did you ever wipe the battery data when you flashing a new rom ?
I think you need to re-reconigz the battery .
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Agree. In cwm there is an option to wipe battery stats.
I had a similar problem with my HTC First where at 25 % it would go straight to 10 an then to 0 in like 30 seconds...although that was on stock rom...

Do you have the m40 battery mod from maxx?

Just curious
TecknoFreak said:
Do you have the m40 battery mod from maxx?
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Just curious (I am new here, hi :3)
What is the m40 battery mod?

Sorry i ment eb40
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1906371

TecknoFreak said:
Sorry i ment eb40
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1906371
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I don't use the eb40 mod, it's all stock hardware. Haven't tried wiping the battery stats, though; can't believe I overlooked that. I'll give it a shot and see if it does the trick.
EDIT: CWM doesn't seem to have an option for wiping battery stats for this phone; I've tried three versions and none of them give me that option.

MysticRhythms87 said:
I don't use the eb40 mod, it's all stock hardware. Haven't tried wiping the battery stats, though; can't believe I overlooked that. I'll give it a shot and see if it does the trick.
EDIT: CWM doesn't seem to have an option for wiping battery stats for this phone; I've tried three versions and none of them give me that option.
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I suggest you first write down the current battery volume , for example , now in the system ,you can see 60% battery left .
then you shut down the phone , connect your changer , the phone will change and the battery volume show . if this volume is not equal to the No. you see in the system , it means that your system have a wrong battery data record .

lounew said:
I suggest you first write down the current battery volume , for example , now in the system ,you can see 60% battery left .
then you shut down the phone , connect your changer , the phone will change and the battery volume show . if this volume is not equal to the No. you see in the system , it means that your system have a wrong battery data record .
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Shut down my phone, battery was at 91% (had charged it overnight). Plugged it in and the charging screen showed 90%. Is that what you were talking about, with the two battery volumes not being the same?

I think it's fixed!
I did a full system reset (including formatting the system, which I apparently had yet to do throughout all this time) to install a new ROM. Today the battery drained all the way down to 2% while I was browsing the web (something that normally would shut off the phone at around 30%) before shutting off. It seems that by skipping that crucial step, the system could not properly read/calibrate the battery when installing a new ROM, which may have caused this problem.
I think it's safe to say it's fixed. For now, at least, but I'm remaining optimistic. Thanks to everyone who pitched in with an idea or just said a few words; great to know people care around here.

MysticRhythms87 said:
I did a full system reset (including formatting the system, which I apparently had yet to do throughout all this time) to install a new ROM. Today the battery drained all the way down to 2% while I was browsing the web (something that normally would shut off the phone at around 30%) before shutting off. It seems that by skipping that crucial step, the system could not properly read/calibrate the battery when installing a new ROM, which may have caused this problem.
I think it's safe to say it's fixed. For now, at least, but I'm remaining optimistic. Thanks to everyone who pitched in with an idea or just said a few words; great to know people care around here.
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I'm glad that you fixed it. I did the same but I still have that problem. When It's 20% it drops to 15% and then to 5% in 30 seconds.

Arjomer said:
I'm glad that you fixed it. I did the same but I still have that problem. When It's 20% it drops to 15% and then to 5% in 30 seconds.
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Thankfully, I haven't had it drop that low that fast. Of course, this IS the Atrix HD, which carries such a weak battery compared to other phones in its class. Nevertheless, I feel great knowing that my phone doesn't shut off so unexpectedly. If it happens again, I'll do my best to deal with it, but for now...it's just success.

I had this problem after i force rebooted my phone, it got stuck at 1% when charging for almost 15mins. I had to turn the phone off.

MysticRhythms87 said:
Shut down my phone, battery was at 91% (had charged it overnight). Plugged it in and the charging screen showed 90%. Is that what you were talking about, with the two battery volumes not being the same?
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for my understanding ,before you shut down the phont , you saw the batter volumes in system is 91% , and then you shut down the phont ,plug it in , and see the battery volume is 90% .I think in this situlation , the battery record in your system is correct ,cause 90% and 91% almost the same . I think your battery is dying , you should replace your battery

lounew said:
for my understanding ,before you shut down the phont , you saw the batter volumes in system is 91% , and then you shut down the phont ,plug it in , and see the battery volume is 90% .I think in this situlation , the battery record in your system is correct ,cause 90% and 91% almost the same . I think your battery is dying , you should replace your battery
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Well, a couple weeks later and I'm still not having the problem. The battery does still drain relatively fast (I go from 100% at about 9:00 A.M. to 35% at 3:00 P.M, with minimal usage such as checking Facebook/Twitter and stuff like that), but that's mostly due to the small battery capacity. The battery health is still good according to the scans and hardware checks I've done. I may, however, look into trying the EB40 mod if it means the battery will last much longer.

MysticRhythms87 said:
Well, a couple weeks later and I'm still not having the problem. The battery does still drain relatively fast (I go from 100% at about 9:00 A.M. to 35% at 3:00 P.M, with minimal usage such as checking Facebook/Twitter and stuff like that), but that's mostly due to the small battery capacity. The battery health is still good according to the scans and hardware checks I've done. I may, however, look into trying the EB40 mod if it means the battery will last much longer.
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did you ever try to flash a new rom , you can try , if the problem still there , there is no doubt that the battery is bad .