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Locked down?

Will the Bionic have a locked down bootloader like the droid x?

I have no knowledge on the subject, but I can only assume that it will.
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Yeah, Moto confirmed it. It can still be rooted though (I'm assuming) , which is the most important thing to me personally.
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I love this community, and the ability to try others' work. I think Moto will keep their products locked to a degree. Done with them yet holding on to my Droid.

Who knows though now that Xoom is unlocked, maybe Moto finally got the hint. We can all wish, but until the release comes, we won't know for sure

The Atrix 4G got locked down, but hopefully we will have better luck..... My Droid Eris is feeling slower by the day, but I won't use my upgrade on a locked-down phone.

I remember reading from a few different places that the bionic has a good chance of being unlocked. That's because the chip they are using in the bionic vs. D2 and dx. The d2 and x have a certain chip that needs to locked down or something but since the bionic has the Tegra processor it won't have that special chip. I hope this is the case.

is this phone even worth getting? i'm due for an upgrade and they been trying to throw the iphone4 at me but i've been waiting for this...now i wonder if this is a waste of time... my eris is driving me crazy so i want something fairly soon...this phone seems to be the only worthy choice though for verizon customers...are there any other competitive options besides this phone without switching carriers?

bill.mahoney said:
is this phone even worth getting? i'm due for an upgrade and they been trying to throw the iphone4 at me but i've been waiting for this...now i wonder if this is a waste of time... my eris is driving me crazy so i want something fairly soon...this phone seems to be the only worthy choice though for verizon customers...are there any other competitive options besides this phone without switching carriers?
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Thunderbolt? They believe they have a root for it already. And for sure is unlocked. It's for sure gonna have a great dev community.

oh. ok. i'll look into it more...i was under the impression it was for sprint like an evo2 replacement... didn't know it was verizon. ty

erismaster said:
I remember reading from a few different places that the bionic has a good chance of being unlocked. That's because the chip they are using in the bionic vs. D2 and dx. The d2 and x have a certain chip that needs to locked down or something but since the bionic has the Tegra processor it won't have that special chip. I hope this is the case.
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Chip's called e-fuse
The atrix boot loader is signed not encrypted
I expect the same will happen to the bionic as its basically an atrix with less RAM and a larger screen
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The atrix boot loader is signed not encrypted
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Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.

lesismore1 said:
Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
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not really as the signed partitions and the bootloader is essentially checked each boot
devs are working to see if we can bypass it or something....but at least it isn't encrypted which gives the devs a slightly higher chance of finding a fix vs having the bootloader encrypted

Not to get get off topic but I wish the root population was larger. Then when motorola does encrypt their phones then it's not like the lesser 5% of the phone purchasers being upset about it. Me getting this phone depends on if it's unlocked or not. I have friends all the time ask me to root their phone. I have a few friends that run custom roms that I put on. Not one of them has had a problem(knock on wood) I don't see a big risk in rooting and flashing custom roms, especially with how easy it is nowadays. That's my 2 cents

Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
not really as the signed partitions and the bootloader is essentially checked each boot
devs are working to see if we can bypass it or something....but at least it isn't encrypted which gives the devs a slightly higher chance of finding a fix vs having the bootloader encrypted
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I know that, but it's better news than if it was encrypted and/or had something similar to an e-Fuse, and that's what I meant in good news. I knew it wouldn't be the same as a Nexus S or Nexus One (which are Dev friendly), but my Eris had a bootloader (S-On) which so far as I can see is the same as a signed bootloader (correct me if I'm wrong). Hopefully, it'll just be a couple of weeks/months to crack it but (knock on wood) at least we won't be stuck with the situation Droid X owners have.

Also, unrelated note, but I played with a friends Atrix 4G for about 30 minutes, and a couple things......
Good
1. Fast as hell! (In apps, games, typing, etc) Very lag free! (see below)
2. In game, incredibly smooth and great looking screen. Better than other friend's Droid Incredible, and colors look nearly as good as my old Zune HD.
Bad
1. Home screen lags quite badly. My friend had lots of apps on desktop and though the Live wallpaper and app drawer were smooth, switching left to right was laggy.... Very nitpicky but annoying.
Overall, I still want the phone (more than before), and want Cyanogenmod on this thing badly!

lesismore1 said:
Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
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Not really, the thunderbolt has a new generation snapdragon, between that and the extra ram, and better video processor, it's actually WAY faster than an Evo 4G. Out of the box quadrant scores are around 1975, and general performance is really much better than an Evo in every way. (not saying it's faster than a bionic obviously, but it definitely isn't the same thing as an Evo).

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Not really, the thunderbolt has a new generation snapdragon, between that and the extra ram, and better video processor, it's actually WAY faster than an Evo 4G. Out of the box quadrant scores are around 1975, and general performance is really much better than an Evo in every way. (not saying it's faster than a bionic obviously, but it definitely isn't the same thing as an Evo).
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Thanks for clarifying. When I looked to check facts for the comparison, it only said 1 ghz Snapdragon, so I assumed the same CPU/GPU as the first gen.

still the tegra 2 is a faster processor ... otherwise its more of a wait and see...
I have decided to wait for the bionic instead of getting the thunderbolt... unless the tb comes out tomorrow... but that is very unlikly.

im so sick of seeing people compare the evo to the thunderbolt, first things first, LTE is better than WiMAX. Second of all the processor arent even close, and you know on the evo if you use a task killer, it might have 250mb or RAM free, when you do it on the bolt, you will have overmb free, it will never lag. ever. and the only time it will fall behind the bionic or atrix is gaming, thats it

Bionic vs HTC Vigor (Thunderbolt 2)

I recently purchased my Droid Bionic, not aware that in a month's time the HTC Vigor (Thunderbolt 2 officially) would be released. I read up on many rumors of the HTC device, but they all seemed very unlikely. I asked my friend who works for Verizon about the HTC device if he knew anything about it, and he did and told me the specs of the HTC Vigor would be identical to the Bionic, noting that the rumors aren't true, and that it's most likely 1GHz or 1.2GHz dual core, with a qHD 560x940 screen. As far as dimensions or weight, he doesn't know how the HTC Vigor will do in that category. He works high up in Verzion, and I won't disclose his name just in case this info wasn't supposed to be given to me.
Should I return my Bionic and hold off for the Vigor?
I know the Bionic's PenTile screen is very disappointing, the camera is sub-par, and the battery life, while impressive, isn't as amazing as it can be (high cell standby and idle times).
How are HTC screens usually compared to others (SGSII, iPhone, Motorola)? Battery life on HTC phones? My main concern is the battery life overtime; would custom ROMs improve the battery life of the bionic?
I know the camera will definitely beat out the Bionic.
Is anyone returning their phone and waiting for the HTC Thunderbolt 2?

I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I would chose the Bionic after all the problems with the Thunderbolt. I will not go back to a htc again.
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I had read, prior to purchasing the Bionic, that HTC Vigor, Prime, and iPhone 5 would all be released in October. Since I didn't want an iPhone and am not super techie that I need a pure Google phone, it was really between the Vigor and the bionic. My last phone was the HTC Droid Eris. Although with root and some fab devs producing ROMs, my l'il Eris lasted me through my 2 yr contract, it was buggy. The hardware literally fell apart and I had to replace the handset 4 times in my 2 yr contract. Although I know ppl who love their Incredibles and Thunderbolts - they ALSO complain of software bugs and hardware issues. Having weighed that, I decided to go with a Motorola product. My friends who have Moto Droids all like them and rave about them. Plus, I'm eager to see if Google acquiring Motorola Mobility will have any impact on the Bionic or proceeding products. I WOULD like to see unlocked bootloaders in the future though.

HTC Vigor:
1. It's going to be running a dual-core previous generation Snapdragon, *not* the new Krait cores which aren't even coming out until 2012. The OMAP4 in the Bionic definitely outperforms it.
2. Just going to be a Sensation on Verizon. If you want to check it out, go to your local T-Mobile store and look at it yourself.
Nexus Prime:
1. We don't really have much details on it.
2. It *might* even also have the dual-core Snapdragon the Sensation/Vigor will run. Seeing as how the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 has that instead of the Exynos, it's highly possible.
3. Eric Schmidt said Ice Cream Sandwich is coming out in October or November. This is a huge timeframe which will most likely lean towards the November area. If previous trends match up with this, the phone will come out *after* the software. Last year, the Nexus S came out 2 weeks after GingerBread dropped on AOSP. If it comes out at the end of October or beginning of November, that will be November or even December before we see the Nexus Prime.
My 2 cents before you start comparing the Bionic to the other phones coming out.

I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor

If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.

cdf3 said:
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I didn't think about the percentages must equal 100%, which answers my question about the call standby and the phone idle percentages being so high. Thanks for answering that for me.
AdamNJ77 said:
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
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It's not 1.5GHz, its either 1.0GHz, or 1.2GHz. I'm also 100% sure if the Vigor has the A8 Qualcomm dual-core chip, that the Bionic will wipe the floor with it.
bill.garrett said:
If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
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According to rumors, the Prime is supposed to sport a 4.65" screen, which honestly to me is way too big, so for me it was either the Bionic or the Vigor (TB2).
Thanks for everyone's responses, they're definitely giving me insight into both phones and their capabilities as well as how they will perform in the long run. Keep them coming!

Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
My 2 coins

equake said:
Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.

Berzerker7 said:
It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait

I was debating this same thing for a month or so.. Everyone always wants the best available, sometimes that can be a very difficult task. I was on the HTC Evo, and absolutely loved it. So that was drawing me towards the Vigor. My friend has the Nexus S and I was able to see how awesome that can be, so that was drawing me towards the Prime. But bottom line was, I was tired of waiting. I switched to VZW in July so I could get the unlimited data, and because I knew the Bionic was coming out. I had to grab an old blackberry I had laying around to wait.
Can you see why I jumped on what I had initially been waiting on?? The biggest thing I dislike is the LED.. its not the best on the Bionic. I imagine it will be decent on the HTC. But as for the Nexus, does samsung even have a Notification LED?
Definitely different benefits to each phone, but I think as soon as some fixes come out the Bionic will be a very good phone (already is pretty awesome).

AdamNJ77 said:
He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
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It would be ashame if the Vigor uses the same MSM8660 as in the Evo 3D only clocked higher since the Scorpion cores are getting long in the tooth.
Read this story for S4 Snapdragon Dual Core LTE
seekingalpha.com/article/280664-qualcomm-incorporated-s-ceo-discusses-q3-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript

All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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acPIZZA said:
All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.

DemoManMLS said:
This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Difference is that I can see the pixels even 5-10 feet away. I didn't see this on either the original Droid or even the Thunderbolt for that matter. So yes the pentile display to me is the deal breaker on the Bionic. Maybe not for you but it certainly is for me. If it works fine for you then enjoy the phone as the Bionic for the most part is a good device. I just felt that the pentile display wasn't for me.

I'm useing my bionic now, I'm about a foot away and I can't see the pixles, I've been useing Netflix with it even closer to my face and its flawless, don't know who's bionic you've been looking at but I can't see my pixles too easily
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DemoManMLS said:
This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I would definitely agree that the Thunderbolt was a very good phone, except for the very disappointing battery life. The Bionic's pentile display is also disappointing, but as I used my Bionic more and more, I felt like the display is very crisp and pixels are hardly noticeable unless you truly look for them, and lets be honest, on any phone if you truly look for pixels, you'll find them.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Normal distance is great. When I watch videos, play games, etc, pixels are hardly noticeable. In addition, the battery life saved from those pentile displays are quite remarkable. It's a somewhat good tradeoff: screen quality for battery life, and even then the screen quality isn't terrible to the point where it would be a decision changer for me.

I upgraded to a bionic from a Droid X (forced due to bootloop, but nonetheless) and also have a Thunderbolt. The pentile screen does love much to be desired, and yes, I can see pixels when holding it even at arms length.
But IMO the bionic has answered the mail on what *I believe* it was meant to be: a portable media center with a webtop bonus thrown in. I've read countless threads across many devices about people pushing their media (local or stream) from their phones to all sorts of tv's, pc's, xbox's, name your reciever. Moto made sure they put out a device that had the horsepower to accomplish that with the added benefit of a decent non battery hogging screen for those that want to use it in transit or while away from their receivers. That's primarily how I used my Droid X and can probably count in the low hundreds the number of times I actually looked at anything on the screen itself for longer than 2 mins (mainly just to set up hdmi out or a bluetooth connection to stream something).
Just my experience and opinion...

LG Thrill Vs. Samsung Galaxy S2/Trade or not?

So out of general curiosity who all is thinking to switch to the samsung galaxy s2 when it gets released (9-18-11, according to Rumor anyway)

Why do I switch to S2? It doesn't have 3D right?

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Why do I switch to S2? It doesn't have 3D right?
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or LTE....
keeping either of the phones is silly...within months of the SGS2 the Celox will be out...
If I can get something going custom on the LG I might actually keep it...we have another upgrade to use soon anyway and I plan on using that on the Celox

I'm good with my device...
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00mred00 said:
or LTE....
keeping either of the phones is silly...within months of the SGS2 the Celox will be out...
If I can get something going custom on the LG I might actually keep it...we have another upgrade to use soon anyway and I plan on using that on the Celox
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Well my deadline is the end of Sept. to get one or the other. Only reason I was debating SGS2 would be the Super Amoled Plus, the Extra 512mb Ram and 200mhz cpu bump and it's being developed, granted the att version is slightly different because the screen size will be 4.3 inches from what I hear. Also the Sprint Version is already up for Pre-Order on amazon, ran across it accidentally. So my guess is the AT&T version is right around the corner than. Oh yea and battery life, although that is yet to be seen so I can't judge too much there and also Gingerbread instead of Froyo.

I'm keeping my thrill over galaxy s2 and here's why. Froyo vs gingerbread I can care less but for other people it matters with that said. All the reviews and comparison test you see on the net is a galaxy s2 on gingerbread vs a lg thrill/optimus 3D on froyo. The S2 in results never runs away with it, in some parts the LG does. So do the math if I have a phone running an outdated software but is keeping up with the latest and greatest software what will happen when I get the latest software? Besides the dual channel support is very important. I posted this video somewhere else in the forum but I'll post it here again. Watch the video it just makes sense > >
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnHykOcWKAg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Why do I switch to S2? It doesn't have 3D right?
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No. But how often will you use 3D?
00mred00 said:
or LTE....
keeping either of the phones is silly...within months of the SGS2 the Celox will be out...
If I can get something going custom on the LG I might actually keep it...we have another upgrade to use soon anyway and I plan on using that on the Celox
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The thrill doesnt have LTE either, the Thrill has a 14.4meg HSDPA radio, where as the S2 has a 21meg HSDPA radio(the euro version atleast, unsure of the ATT version). Which where I live, matters. My S2 is faster then my thrill on speed tests when sitting side by side.
Both phones have pro's and con's. Nothing is perfect. As being an owner of BOTH devices I can say both are great. Browsing, surfing, gaming, all are about equal. Benchmarking, the S2 excells.
The only draw back is dev support, which the S2 excells 10 fold over the thrill, yes its just released, and it will take time.
Oh and also the Thrill is ATT branded. That alone just boils my blood. My S2 is unbranded.
If I had to pick again, I'd still pick the S2, simply because of design, weight, and the display. That alone is a HUGE selling point.
So everyone stop measurebating and be happy with your device.

Won't the S2 for att be branded as well?
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magicriggs said:
Won't the S2 for att be branded as well?
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Yes, unless you fork out 600$ and buy the legit S2 from amazon, the one with the home button, not the US version.

magicriggs said:
I'm keeping my thrill over galaxy s2 and here's why. Froyo vs gingerbread I can care less but for other people it matters with that said. All the reviews and comparison test you see on the net is a galaxy s2 on gingerbread vs a lg thrill/optimus 3D on froyo. The S2 in results never runs away with it, in some parts the LG does. So do the math if I have a phone running an outdated software but is keeping up with the latest and greatest software what will happen when I get the latest software? Besides the dual channel support is very important. I posted this video somewhere else in the forum but I'll post it here again. Watch the video it just makes sense > >
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And those would be? Also, I doubt Gingerbread will bring much performance boost over Froyo, though I do hope LG updates the drivers for better performance (which Samsung has down with recent updates).

I agree, main reason to have SGII is the support it will get from here. Other than that the differences are not that different.
Thrill still holds its ground very well compared to its updated competitor.
This phone is fast and once updated with a custom rom to take more advantage of this phones hardware, I dont see the debate to really continue.
Yes it has 512mb more of RAM and 200Mhz of CPU speed, but the Thrill is using dual channel which has been proven to already be faster than the SGII.
So people can debate all they want and it wont matter. Whatever people own will be the device they defend to the teeth.
Main things I can say most people(non-techies) will use as a deciding factor would be SGII for the 2MP front facing camera, thin, sleek and extremely hyped, so people will want it to simply say they have it.
disclaimer: this is all IMO if you rage and panic, look in the mirror and realize this is the interwebs.....then slap yourself.

If I can't get the damn GPS on this thing fixed before the SGII is released, I will be trading.

I was hoping either of those phones would replace my iPhone 4. I have the LG Thrill but I hate the battery life on it and there's no way it could be my primary phone with a battery that poor.

JonGarrett said:
I was hoping either of those phones would replace my iPhone 4. I have the LG Thrill but I hate the battery life on it and there's no way it could be my primary phone with a battery that poor.
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I say get either or and you will be happy. With updates and ROMs coming in the future it usually drastically changes the battery life.
I also ordered a larger battery for mine and should recieve this week

CEaton said:
If I can't get the damn GPS on this thing fixed before the SGII is released, I will be trading.
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There isnt a gps issue on the thrill that I am aware of....do you have a defective unit?
i think the point of my previous post was missed. if i am going to keep one of the 2 devices....the thrill vs sgs2... It will be the thrill @ $50.. (multiple lines so contract price is not issue here) The Celox should be out in q4 with faster processor and LTE....along with the rumored HTC lte phone.
Att and samsung pushed the release too far. within 45 days of its release (which still has not been confirmed) better phones will be out from HTC And possibly Samsung
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I enjoy all of the GS2 touting in this Thrill forum.
Personally, the performance of the GS2 is nominally better than the Thrill. It's your choice if the extra $100 (or more) is worth it.

baudilus said:
I enjoy all of the GS2 touting in this Thrill forum.
Personally, the performance of the GS2 is nominally better than the Thrill. It's your choice if the extra $100 (or more) is worth it.
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GS2 is running gingerbread...thrill ruining froyo. Wait til the update comes then well see who is nominally.

Custom Rom will really show who is top. Considering I have seen what bench marks for an SGS2 is when OC to 1.5ghz in one of those apps and really this one isn't too far behind from what I recall. Either way I might end up with both and probably wind up giving the thrill to my wife.

magicriggs said:
GS2 is running gingerbread...thrill ruining froyo. Wait til the update comes then well see who is nominally.
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Gingerbread will not help it THAT much. It will all depend on how LG optimizes the drivers. On my nexus one, 2.3 actually hurt the performance.
malickie said:
Custom Rom will really show who is top. Considering I have seen what bench marks for an SGS2 is when OC to 1.5ghz in one of those apps and really this one isn't too far behind from what I recall. Either way I might end up with both and probably wind up giving the thrill to my wife.
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I have both an couldnt be happier. Both phones are equally impressive. The S2 wins in my book because of the design, weight and pure sleekness. But for 50$ from radioshack for the thrill, you CANT go wrong.
And as for rom's head on over to the s2 forum and see everything . Besides I dont think anyone notable form the S2 will migrate to the Thrill. Possibly DesignGears, only because he is in the US.

DG is already here . He is the one who figured out how to.flash CWM for us.

Thinking about upgrading to the Droid 4, but...

I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?

The_Joe said:
I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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Let's really think about this, as I am pretty sure a lot of us are in the same boat as you are. You're probably upset about not having ICS on your D3, as am I. You understand that because the lack of memory in the d3 that it's a hardware limitation, and the 4G LTE service.
Let's look at some of the facts now:
1) D4 isn't slated to get ICS until Q3 2012, we're talking like 3-5 months out right now
2) The D4 only has 1GB RAM, a lot of phone manufacturers are starting to look at putting in 2GB memory... Why? I don't think we know yet.
3) the D3 has a nice removable battery, and if you're anything like me, you might have invested in an extended battery, screen protector and possibly a case, which won't fit the new D4.
4) Google I/O is coming around this week... They are slated to announce changes to the nexus device program. Android 5.0 is around the corner, think about it, ICS has been out on the GNEX for almost 6 months already, don't you think google will come out with their fancy new "jelleybean" os which would require 2GB ram?
5) none of Motorola's current hardware lineups have intel chipsets, or quad core in them... Don't you wonder what's in store?
Before I go through the motions of getting a new phone, I realized that I have a list of requirements. If you read above, those are the things that I'm most concerned with. Hashcode and dhacker got the ICS hwcodecs working on the razr with the razr build leak... If you ask me, I'm pretty confident they will figure out a solution for the folks who don't want to be on the leak....which should trickle down to us at some point.
My overall recommendation:
If you want ICS on a keyboard phone, wait for ICS to get pushed to D4, then buy it (are you missing out on anything by waiting?). If hashcode and the gang haven't figured out the d3 by then, I'msure d5 or d6 leaks will be coming out ;-)
Sent from my XT860 running ICS

Hasn't ICS been leaked for the D4? I though P3Droid tweeted about it the other day.

yea its out. official, and stable.

danifunker said:
Let's look at some of the facts now:
1) D4 isn't slated to get ICS until Q3 2012, we're talking like 3-5 months out right now
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I'd expect it to be closer to the 3 months at most. There is an official ICS update that was leaked a couple of weeks ago for the D4 that reports show to be very stable and very complete. Might not be the final version...but it's very close.
2) The D4 only has 1GB RAM, a lot of phone manufacturers are starting to look at putting in 2GB memory... Why? I don't think we know yet.
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So far, only one phone manufacture and one device announced by them has 2 GB of RAM. This hasn't become a standard yet at all. 1 GB is the standard.
3) the D3 has a nice removable battery, and if you're anything like me, you might have invested in an extended battery, screen protector and possibly a case, which won't fit the new D4.
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This applies to any device at any update/upgrade point. Minimal cost additions (case, dock, etc..) and can be sold with the older device to increase its sale potential/price.
4) Google I/O is coming around this week... They are slated to announce changes to the nexus device program. Android 5.0 is around the corner, think about it, ICS has been out on the GNEX for almost 6 months already, don't you think google will come out with their fancy new "jelleybean" os which would require 2GB ram?
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There are no Google documents that say ICS requires 1 GB of RAM, why would "Jellybean" require 2 GB? Plus, even announcing a new version of the OS doesn't mean we'll see it anytime soon on any device other than a Nexus....which may not make it to Verizon this go.
5) none of Motorola's current hardware lineups have intel chipsets, or quad core in them... Don't you wonder what's in store?
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None of any manufactures lineups have intel chipsets and only a few are quad core...and 99% of all the LTE devices are being stepped down to dual core vs. their quad core counterparts (3G/GSM) variants.
I've made the jump....my Droid 4 will be here tomorrow. 1 GB RAM (vs. 512 MEG), LTE (vs. 3G), improved Keyboard, 1.2 Ghz CPU clock (vs. 1.0 Ghz), ICS officially coming....those were all good reasons (IMHO) to jump. With Verizon announcing the death of unlimited plans on renewals.......and I bet they also stop allowing 3G to 4G data changes at the same time....I wanted to be locked in on unlimited 4G now.....just to be safe.
I paid full retail, if an upgrade was available...I'd have done it the day my upgrade was available.
Tom
(Just my opinions...)

how long until vzw sends the d4 as a warranty replacement for dead d3's?

The_Joe said:
I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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OK, ratman's theory of phone purchases: Never spend more than $50 on a phone. That's why I, like you, got a D3 not long before the D4 release. My wife actually got her D3 for free AFTER the D4 release. when you only spend $50 or less on it then you don't feel so bad when it becomes obsolete a couple of months later (as they almost always do). We got our D1's when they were two for $99 with renewal BTW.
So, since you have an upgrade coming, I'd say wait. Unless you are just pining away for 4G, a D4 isn't all that big an upgrade compared to a D3 until ICS comes out for it. On that it depends if you insist on the VZW official release or are willing to accept a leaked variant. By the time an official VZW release comes out, there will be new phones out and the D4 will become the $50 bargain basement phone...but still a great phone..and that's the time to make the move. It will probably be a long time before something faster than 4G comes along and I think a D4 with ICS is going to have about as much "staying power" as any phone on the market.
Of course then, people will be whining about "why can't I get Android 5.0, or 6.0 or 27.6 etc, etc.

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I'd expect it to be closer to the 3 months at most. There is an official ICS update that was leaked a couple of weeks ago for the D4 that reports show to be very stable and very complete. Might not be the final version...but it's very close.
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Will you risk having your phone on an unsupported update path? If you do, that's fine, go with the D4 now, hashcode and crew will sure have vanilla ICS running with hwcomposer as soon as he gets his D4.
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So far, only one phone manufacture and one device announced by them has 2 GB of RAM. This hasn't become a standard yet at all. 1 GB is the standard.
There are no Google documents that say ICS requires 1 GB of RAM, why would "Jellybean" require 2 GB? Plus, even announcing a new version of the OS doesn't mean we'll see it anytime soon on any device other than a Nexus....which may not make it to Verizon this go.
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I agree, Google doesn't have any specifications on this, but look at the amount of bloatware that Motorola has on their devices, "in order for carriers to sell their phones". Truley, I just want a stock android device with a keyboard. I don't think the RAZR or D4 will get the next up and coming version of android, and considering that the D3 hasn't even been out on the market for a year it makes me very uncomfortable as to what the requirements of the next version of Android will be. If you take a look at Nexus S, they got ICS since it is a stock experience, the bloat factor is removed. On the other hand, Galaxy S, didn't receive ICS since they had TouchWiz on it, and after putting ICS base on that hardware, they probably wouldn't be able to upgrade all of the components and still have it run smoothly (due to RAM restrictions).
In fact, the D3 running stock GB was pretty crap with all of the bloatware installed. The phone ran so slow from day 1. I don't know how bad the D4 runs since I've never tried it, but I find D3 runs AOKP 10x better than it ran stock.
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None of any manufactures lineups have intel chipsets and only a few are quad core...and 99% of all the LTE devices are being stepped down to dual core vs. their quad core counterparts (3G/GSM) variants.
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Actually, up in Canada here, our LTE is different. We only have it running on AWS bands, and I don't think the D4's LTE will be compatible with the Canadian standards. That's another reason I'm waiting to make the jump.
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I've made the jump....my Droid 4 will be here tomorrow. 1 GB RAM (vs. 512 MEG), LTE (vs. 3G), improved Keyboard, 1.2 Ghz CPU clock (vs. 1.0 Ghz), ICS officially coming....those were all good reasons (IMHO) to jump. With Verizon announcing the death of unlimited plans on renewals.......and I bet they also stop allowing 3G to 4G data changes at the same time....I wanted to be locked in on unlimited 4G now.....just to be safe.
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Again, not applicable to Canada; we don't have Verizon changing our data policies down here. Although, the shared data option I don't think is too bad! I'd like to have my tablet and phone sharing the same data plan without incurring extra fees.

No, no intention of getting off the official update path. Just pointing out how complete the "leaked" ICS build is....that I expect the official release closer to a 3 month max time frame and not six months later.
The OP is on Verizon, so will have to worry about their data package plans/changes.
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Will you risk having your phone on an unsupported update path? If you do, that's fine, go with the D4 now, hashcode and crew will sure have vanilla ICS running with hwcomposer as soon as he gets his D4.
I agree, Google doesn't have any specifications on this, but look at the amount of bloatware that Motorola has on their devices, "in order for carriers to sell their phones". Truley, I just want a stock android device with a keyboard. I don't think the RAZR or D4 will get the next up and coming version of android, and considering that the D3 hasn't even been out on the market for a year it makes me very uncomfortable as to what the requirements of the next version of Android will be. If you take a look at Nexus S, they got ICS since it is a stock experience, the bloat factor is removed. On the other hand, Galaxy S, didn't receive ICS since they had TouchWiz on it, and after putting ICS base on that hardware, they probably wouldn't be able to upgrade all of the components and still have it run smoothly (due to RAM restrictions).
In fact, the D3 running stock GB was pretty crap with all of the bloatware installed. The phone ran so slow from day 1. I don't know how bad the D4 runs since I've never tried it, but I find D3 runs AOKP 10x better than it ran stock.
Actually, up in Canada here, our LTE is different. We only have it running on AWS bands, and I don't think the D4's LTE will be compatible with the Canadian standards. That's another reason I'm waiting to make the jump.
Again, not applicable to Canada; we don't have Verizon changing our data policies down here. Although, the shared data option I don't think is too bad! I'd like to have my tablet and phone sharing the same data plan without incurring extra fees.
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The_Joe said:
I go back and forth on this. I have an upgrade available, and I'm currently running a Droid 3 with AOKP. When I purchased my D3, I had wished there was a decent option for a 4g Verizon Keyboard phone. Only 2 and a half months after I purchased my d3, the d4 was released. I felt that had I done my research I might have waited.
Now, I'm doing my research. Seems to me that the hardware of the D4 will take time before becoming outdated, compared to the D3 which was more or less outdated when released. [Let's face it, 512mb of ram is not enough] and 4g was already in existence.
Is there another 4g keyboard phone that is known to be "just around the corner" from Verizon? Or should I jump on the D4 now, and enjoy 1 gig of ram, 4g connectivity, and ICS that works?
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What world do you live in that you dont think 512mb of ram is enough...

Danifunker yur speculations are pretty wild. To the OP. I recommend not getting moto at all. They are on a downhill path but if your looking for an awesome keyboard go for it. Its thinner, faster, and has ICS already. Its not official but i believe one of the posts in the dev forum showed an sbf workaround for that.
Standards do not upgrade very often. 2gb will probably be top of the line next year but 1gb phones will still be considered fast. 2gb will not become a standard for a long time because that would leave only one damn device able for the market. Meaning everyone without that device would be outdated. Sound right? No. His speculation was wild. D4 is an alright upgrade. Personally i would get off the moto path and go to samsung or htc. Either way, your device will be good for atleast a year. Even if the do the d5 in six months. Knowing moto, it wont run jellybean either.

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Danifunker yur speculations are pretty wild. To the OP. I recommend not getting moto at all. They are on a downhill path but if your looking for an awesome keyboard go for it. Its thinner, faster, and has ICS already. Its not official but i believe one of the posts in the dev forum showed an sbf workaround for that.
Standards do not upgrade very often. 2gb will probably be top of the line next year but 1gb phones will still be considered fast. 2gb will not become a standard for a long time because that would leave only one damn device able for the market. Meaning everyone without that device would be outdated. Sound right? No. His speculation was wild. D4 is an alright upgrade. Personally i would get off the moto path and go to samsung or htc. Either way, your device will be good for atleast a year. Even if the do the d5 in six months. Knowing moto, it wont run jellybean either.
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What is so much better about HTC than Samsung, besides the part that Moto makes your phone outdated every 4-6 months.

Wow, some amazing responses. If I got the D4 I would definitely be running the leaked ICS update. They have found a way to keep root when you update, and now that it has been released I assume custom ICS roms will be released on the fully functional Motorola kernel soon enough with working video camera and such.
(Excuse me if any of my term were wrong, I dont know as much as I pretend to.)
I also have no lack of faith in Hashcode, but from what I understand getting the video camera to ever work on the D3 running ICS is unlikely.
RAM, I only know that my D3 is always low on ram. I frequently like to run music in the background (Slacker radio, cached on my device) while also running navigation, and texting, and it has ram issues regularly. I have almost NO widgets, and I restart my phone twice a day. However, my tablet does great with its 1 gig of ram, never come close to having a ram problem. I know that not being a phone it has advantages, but still. I cannot imagine Android 5.0 or even 6.0 getting so bloated and horrific that it REQUIRED more than 1 gig of ram. 512 aint enough, but I cannot imagine how I would use 2 gigs....
So what could the Droid 5 (Or even the droid 6) have that the droid 4 doesnt?
-A quad core proccesor
-A removable battery
-Unlocked bootloader
-2 gigs of ram
-Higher clock speed (Of course)
I honestly wish there was a good alternative to Motorola. I would love a better option for a verizon 4g, duel core, 1 gig of ram, keyboard phone. Doesnt exist yet. =/
Thanks for all the helpful reply's, I still need to think through this some more!

The_Joe said:
Wow, some amazing responses. If I got the D4 I would definitely be running the leaked ICS update. They have found a way to keep root when you update, and now that it has been released I assume custom ICS roms will be released on the fully functional Motorola kernel soon enough with working video camera and such.
(Excuse me if any of my term were wrong, I dont know as much as I pretend to.)
I also have no lack of faith in Hashcode, but from what I understand getting the video camera to ever work on the D3 running ICS is unlikely.
RAM, I only know that my D3 is always low on ram. I frequently like to run music in the background (Slacker radio, cached on my device) while also running navigation, and texting, and it has ram issues regularly. I have almost NO widgets, and I restart my phone twice a day. However, my tablet does great with its 1 gig of ram, never come close to having a ram problem. I know that not being a phone it has advantages, but still. I cannot imagine Android 5.0 or even 6.0 getting so bloated and horrific that it REQUIRED more than 1 gig of ram. 512 aint enough, but I cannot imagine how I would use 2 gigs....
So what could the Droid 5 (Or even the droid 6) have that the droid 4 doesnt?
-A quad core proccesor
-A removable battery
-Unlocked bootloader
-2 gigs of ram
-Higher clock speed (Of course)
I honestly wish there was a good alternative to Motorola. I would love a better option for a verizon 4g, duel core, 1 gig of ram, keyboard phone. Doesnt exist yet. =/
Thanks for all the helpful reply's, I still need to think through this some more!
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Droid 5 will most likely have another redesign.. or just a sharper looking razr. Def 720p Super Amoled. Doubt it iwll have quad core, prob dual core s4 or superly high clocked omap. Unlocked bootloader is unlikely, so is removable battery, unless it gets a redesign and is not like the razr anymore. Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.

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What world do you live in that you dont think 512mb of ram is enough...
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What rom are you running, and what apps do you use? Because I've been on stock ROM on and off since I got my D3 six months ago, and it's absolutely not enough. Launching the camera closes the launcher. Load a WAP site on the browser, hit Home to load the launcher and go immediately back into the browser and it still has to query the network to refresh all 10k of that mobile webpage. Facebook takes a full 15 seconds over a 18mbps Wifi connection to load a photo. Sometimes the launcher gets so slow you have to pull the battery to restart the phone, and all this is AFTER the official OTA upgrade released a few weeks ago.
I'm absolutely not arguing that 512MB shouldn't be enough RAM for Android, as somehow 256MB was enough to run Gingerbread on my HTC Aria with none of these symptoms. It's just not enough on THIS phone for the software it ships with.
AND OF COURSE, WHY THE FSCK DID IT SHIP WITH 512MB OF RAM IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THE ATRIX SHIPPED EIGHT MONTHS PREVIOUS WITH 1GB.
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What is so much better about HTC than Samsung, besides the part that Moto makes your phone outdated every 4-6 months.
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See, I could never get another HTC phone because no phone with Sense works with Bluetooth controllers of any kind, that I know of. Or did they change that? All the Market apps I can find that work with a PS3 or Wiimote still say Sense phones won't work. Plus, do you know they launched the Aria on AT&T but never made a single accessory for it, not a car charger, dock, cradle, nothing? I can't have that absolute lack of accessory support, which is one thing that keeps me with Motorola in the end.

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Droid 5 will most likely have another redesign.. or just a sharper looking razr. Def 720p Super Amoled. Doubt it iwll have quad core, prob dual core s4 or superly high clocked omap. Unlocked bootloader is unlikely, so is removable battery, unless it gets a redesign and is not like the razr anymore. Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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I kind of agree, It unlikely the Droid 5 will be THAT much greater than the Droid 4. Which is why I am tempted to get the Droid 4, and just plan of having it a long time. My favorite thing about ICS is the built in spell check, and I dont know a damn thing about Jelly bean, or what will make it so incredible.
Having stable ICS, LTE, and a gig of ram just seems like it is SOO much better, and I have difficultly imagining finding that to be not enough. That said, I know three months after I get it, they will release something so much better that I will kick myself for ever buying the Droid 4.
What could they release? Idk, a phone with a month long battery or some other science fictioness? Or maybe HTC will make a keyboard phone with an unlocked bootloader.... >.<

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What rom are you running, and what apps do you use? Because I've been on stock ROM on and off since I got my D3 six months ago, and it's absolutely not enough. Launching the camera closes the launcher. Load a WAP site on the browser, hit Home to load the launcher and go immediately back into the browser and it still has to query the network to refresh all 10k of that mobile webpage. Facebook takes a full 15 seconds over a 18mbps Wifi connection to load a photo. Sometimes the launcher gets so slow you have to pull the battery to restart the phone, and all this is AFTER the official OTA upgrade released a few weeks ago.
I'm absolutely not arguing that 512MB shouldn't be enough RAM for Android, as somehow 256MB was enough to run Gingerbread on my HTC Aria with none of these symptoms. It's just not enough on THIS phone for the software it ships with.
AND OF COURSE, WHY THE FSCK DID IT SHIP WITH 512MB OF RAM IN THE FIRST PLACE AFTER THE ATRIX SHIPPED EIGHT MONTHS PREVIOUS WITH 1GB.
See, I could never get another HTC phone because no phone with Sense works with Bluetooth controllers of any kind, that I know of. Or did they change that? All the Market apps I can find that work with a PS3 or Wiimote still say Sense phones won't work. Plus, do you know they launched the Aria on AT&T but never made a single accessory for it, not a car charger, dock, cradle, nothing? I can't have that absolute lack of accessory support, which is one thing that keeps me with Motorola in the end.
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I meant to say Moto over HTC. And 512 is fine for me, I have no problems at all with my phone. Never use any more than 300mb of ram. But yeah, moto is dumb. Phones out with 720p screens a year before moto can do it.. but at least they can get a battery right

The_Joe said:
I kind of agree, It unlikely the Droid 5 will be THAT much greater than the Droid 4. Which is why I am tempted to get the Droid 4, and just plan of having it a long time. My favorite thing about ICS is the built in spell check, and I dont know a damn thing about Jelly bean, or what will make it so incredible.
Having stable ICS, LTE, and a gig of ram just seems like it is SOO much better, and I have difficultly imagining finding that to be not enough. That said, I know three months after I get it, they will release something so much better that I will kick myself for ever buying the Droid 4.
What could they release? Idk, a phone with a month long battery or some other science fictioness? Or maybe HTC will make a keyboard phone with an unlocked bootloader.... >.<
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Who knows what's really in the works now, but there haven't been many 2012 phones announced yet this year other than the HTC one series, a couple of LG phones and the galaxy S3. Motorola did say that they will be partnering up with Intel, with their medfield architecture earlier this year. I'm just saying, we don't know what's coming this year.
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...Most of motos upgrades from phones, are nothing but a redesign and newer software.. pretty sad how phones they made last year are still just as good as the ones this year.
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Personally I don't find that sad at all. I think the expectations are too high as far as wanting to see a breakthrough device every time. I think the Original Droid (D1) was such a device but those are going to be very few and far between regardless of manufacturer. You don't expect a breakthrough in desktop or laptop PC's every single year, do you? Its a sign of an industry reaching maturity.
When an industry is new, technology as well as the uses people find for the technology advance rapidly. But that can't go on forever. As a technology becomes more mature the pace slows down as does the urge for constant upgrades. Once again looking at desktop PC's, for most people once they had a Core 2 Duo generation machine, they finally had something that could do pretty much everything they wanted to do with such a device. The majority of people can't do their work any faster or better with the latest and greatest i7 quad core. Phones will eventually be the same.
That's why I say get off the upgrade treadmill. As I have said before I never pay more than $50 for a phone. If next year's phones are little better than this year's, so what? Then the D4 will be the $50 phone and that's the time to get one.

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Personally I don't find that sad at all. I think the expectations are too high as far as wanting to see a breakthrough device every time. I think the Original Droid (D1) was such a device but those are going to be very few and far between regardless of manufacturer. You don't expect a breakthrough in desktop or laptop PC's every single year, do you? Its a sign of an industry reaching maturity.
When an industry is new, technology as well as the uses people find for the technology advance rapidly. But that can't go on forever. As a technology becomes more mature the pace slows down as does the urge for constant upgrades. Once again looking at desktop PC's, for most people once they had a Core 2 Duo generation machine, they finally had something that could do pretty much everything they wanted to do with such a device. The majority of people can't do their work any faster or better with the latest and greatest i7 quad core. Phones will eventually be the same.
That's why I say get off the upgrade treadmill. As I have said before I never pay more than $50 for a phone. If next year's phones are little better than this year's, so what? Then the D4 will be the $50 phone and that's the time to get one.
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I dont expect every release to be a breakthrough, but at least significantly better, if its not going to be they should stop coming out with so many new devices. D2 was what the droid 3 should have been, droid 4 should have been droid 3. X2 should have been bionic, bionic should have been razr, razr should have been what this new upcoming fighter should be. Motorola sucks.

S5 specs leaked.

http://m.gsmarena.com/an_alleged_photo_of_the_samsung_galaxy_s5_box_reveals_the_specs-news-7788.php
The chipset has a quad-core CPU at 2.5GHz and LTE Cat. 4 (150Mbps downlink). This is certainly a Snapdragon chipset and we're possibly looking at the Snapdragon 800 8974AC variety, which packs Krait 400 at 2.46GHz. The box also promises 3GB RAM, same as the Galaxy Note 3 (as can be expected).Moving on, the screen is listed as 5.25" QHD (2,560 x 1,600), which is precisely what the latest rumors have been saying. That would push the pixel density to 560ppi, but keep in mind this is likely a PenTile Super AMOLED, so it should have a noticeable visual improvement over the current 5" 440ppi screen.Same goes for the camera - a 20MP shooter, which is in line with the*leaked 16MP photo*that had 16:9 aspect ratio (20MP is at 4:3). Strangely, the video capture is just 1080p.The final bit of specifications that the box reveals is Android 4.4 KitKat and a 3,000mAh battery.
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That pic is most probably fake.
They haven't even announced the device yet. It won't hit the stores for a couple of months. I doubt they've started making retail boxes for it just yet.
Sam Mobile thinks its fake too.

If the battery is really only a 3amp battery then I'm already out. The battery life on the SD800 is already horrid as it is. On top of that, the 2.3GHz SD800 is already pointless to the average user. 2.5GHz is just going to suck the life right out of the device. I compared my LG Optimus G Pro (SD600 1.7GHz) to my grandmother's LG G2 (SD800 2.3GHz) and noticed absolutely no difference in terms of gaming performance. Yeah, it scores higher in benchmarks but that doesn't even matter. Just about all apps don't even need 1.7GHz quad core, or even use enough resources to really stress the device. She's even convinced to trade in her G2 for the G Pro simply for the bigger screen + better battery life (She doesn't do anything besides texting, phone calls and check Facebook and has to charge her G2 TWICE A DAY, not including a nightly charge, compared to my G Pro only needing a nightly charge). If anyone does anything to further improve batteries, or even the need for such power, then I'd consider an SD800 or higher device. Until then, these newer "flagship" phones can bite me.
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Sure, the ridiculously fast processor (that matches my desktop's processor speed...) seems pointless for most if not all games and apps on the market TODAY. But how are we going to improve the future without the tools with which to do so? The S5 is, regardless of the accuracy of these leaked specs, is going to be a powerful piece of machinery, and with that popular of a phone on the market, developers will do whatever they can to push the limits of the phone. Think about it, you could be playing some (slightly) older PC games on your phone in a couple of years.
And who knows, maybe they'll find some battery tweaks or a more efficient way to structure everything so it doesn't drain so fast. If nothing else, you could be like my roommate who always has 2 spare batteries and a battery charger for his S4. Just switch them out, and in 10 seconds you're back to full.

I see your point but who wants to spend $40+ for extra batteries or carry around a battery pack? On top of that, there aren't enough devices with specs like these to really develop apps that would actually utilize that kind of power. One device among all others. It's just like PC vs Console gaming. Games are dumbed down because consoles can't match the speed of high end PC's so PC gamers lose out in the end.
I'm saying that these phone companies should look more towards advancing batteries than making more and more powerful devices that can't keep up with use. Look at those old green screen phones. Those things could last days, even weeks on a single charge compared to smartphones.
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Harmonizeddeath said:
Sure, the ridiculously fast processor (that matches my desktop's processor speed...) seems pointless for most if not all games and apps on the market TODAY. But how are we going to improve the future without the tools with which to do so? The S5 is, regardless of the accuracy of these leaked specs, is going to be a powerful piece of machinery, and with that popular of a phone on the market, developers will do whatever they can to push the limits of the phone. Think about it, you could be playing some (slightly) older PC games on your phone in a couple of years.
And who knows, maybe they'll find some battery tweaks or a more efficient way to structure everything so it doesn't drain so fast. If nothing else, you could be like my roommate who always has 2 spare batteries and a battery charger for his S4. Just switch them out, and in 10 seconds you're back to full.
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I average 20+ hours with 4-5 hours of screen on time with my GS4. To be fair though, I'm not running TW. Google Edition 4.3 ATM. Kit Kat's battery life on this device isn't as good and the pulldown notification is a little choppy at times :-/
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rkial said:
That pic is most probably fake.
They haven't even announced the device yet. It won't hit the stores for a couple of months. I doubt they've started making retail boxes for it just yet.
Sam Mobile thinks its fake too.
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It will be released in Barcelona on 23rd February before mwc
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Mr hOaX said:
It will be released in Barcelona on 23rd February before mwc
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It will be announced. It won't be available till April
S4 was announced on 15th March and went on sale in the last week of April.. about 6 weeks. The first batch was packed in April.

rkial said:
It will be announced. It won't be available till April
S4 was announced on 15th March and went on sale in the last week of April.. about 6 weeks. The first batch was packed in April.
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Yeah brother that I know
Atleast it's reviews will be collected on YouTube
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