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Motorola ready to make sweet love to Android ROM devs and rooters?

This is taken from engadget.com
HTC is legendary for its tacit support of the Android ROM cooking community. Motorola... not so much, thanks in large part to the company's policy of locking down the bootloader as a means to prevent unapproved software from running on its Droid handsets. An annoyance recently exacperated by a moderator of Moto's YouTube channel who suggested that customers looking to install custom ROMs should "buy elsewhere." Ouch. The resulting public relations kerfuffle then prompted Motorola to publish a clarification to its bootloader policy on Facebook:
We apologize for the feedback we provided regarding our bootloader policy. The response does not reflect the views of Motorola. We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
Obviously, we'll have wait for said details to get official before calling this a shift in strategy. It's certainly an improvement over Moto's previous approach of lawyering-up with cease and desist orders. Perhaps Motorola is taking a cue from Microsoft who seems to have recently discovered that it's better to embrace than to annoy a motivated hacking community -- customers who tend to be a company's most dedicated fans and evangelists.
Good news?
Direct Link: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/

its a maybe. maybe they will launch our froyo locked, maybe it'll be open. we never know.

i just read this also. this could be great news or another terrible taunt whih leads to nothing.
im not gonna get my hopes up just yet.

available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned! lol
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Sounds like a PR stunt to quell the immediate situation before waiting for it to blow over.
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I dont believe in manufaturer, i believe in XDA dev's..... this a "cold water" not a hope for us.

I hope this isn't just some PR bull and moto actually enables us to load custom kernels.

That press release says nothing about unlocking the bootloader, only that they will help devs which could mean anything!

DummyPLUG said:
available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned! lol
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LMFAO!!!
i dnt believe motorolsh!t will do that(unlocking the bootloader)

I so love my new HTC Desire! couldnt stand this situation anymore....! sorry guys...

It is just the usual PR crap which companies like them give when they screw up on the social networking front. The "..buy elsewhere.." was just a such screw up. A Royal one I would say!
They are now trying to calm down the situation by giving us this crap..

I think it's just a excuse about the bad comments in youtube video, nothing more than that.

DummyPLUG said:
available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned!
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2046???
...that seems a little too soon... dont ya think?

Menelkir said:
I think it's just a excuse about the bad comments in youtube video, nothing more than that.
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That seems most likely but perhaps the fallout and bad press from that will push them to do what they should have done long ago, free the bootloader in some form so we can get custom ROMs on it.

Dyonas said:
That seems most likely but perhaps the fallout and bad press from that will push them to do what they should have done long ago, free the bootloader in some form so we can get custom ROMs on it.
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Yes, I really want to see this happening, but I don't have any hope about Motorola opening the bootloader.
If they do, ok, excelent news to the community, to all developers that will make even better ROMs and for all of us that have a Motorola phone. We can see the quality of alternative ROMs for Motorola Milestone today as example. It's obvious that the only limitation is the bootloader, so the quality can be massively improved if we can change and optimize the kernel.
But I think all people here are already tired from Motorola's position about his costumers: Censorship on comments (youtube and motorola forums), censorship on criticism (even the very good ones, Motorola does not seem to care about the opinion of his costumers), cease and desist in community cases like the ROM of Droid X and sites with roms (that its very stupid IMHO)... and the list goes on...
By the way, my only hope is, if that happens and I have not exchanged my phone yet, good.. I'll make good use of it. But honestly? I have now my last phone from Motorola.

Am I missing something? Forgive my ignorance, but what is "locked up" about the bootloader? I'm running CM6 along with the overclocked CM6 kernel, and there are tons of other custom ROMs out for the Droid as it stands. What is restricted by Motorola?

vapor63 said:
Am I missing something? Forgive my ignorance, but what is "locked up" about the bootloader? I'm running CM6 along with the overclocked CM6 kernel, and there are tons of other custom ROMs out for the Droid as it stands. What is restricted by Motorola?
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Milestone users cannot use custom kernels. All the AOSP ROMs still have to use the SAME kernel, supplied by Mot. They lock it to the bootloader. This means problems trying to compile modules and customer kernels and no way to patch bugs.
It is much more work for devs to get stuff done for the milestone than other phone (htc comes to mind).
Examples of issues: battery life, phone sleeping, waiting for compatible kernel or hack for new android versions, swap support, vpn support, other filesystem support... the list goes on.
But you allowed to be happy with your phone. Not everybody needs these things...
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He has a very good point. Where other android device builders seem to be promoting development (Huawei excluded, theyre miser's just like Motorola), this company seems to be more prominent on the restriction of development on their devices.
One very good reason for this is that Motorola has been such a huge phone developer for such a long time, that they have probably let it go to their head. Now instead of saying "our consumers said they need this", they're sayin "we think they really only need this." I've used Motorola phones for about 8 years now, and I would DEFINITELY say someone forgot that their customers put them where their at.

I agree. Someone needs to get out there and give them a taste of Good Customer Service. I dont think restricting dev's is a great marketing idea, or revenue booster anyways. BUt then again, to each, his own.

This is PR.Nothing more.
Know motorola they do not update РСТ(Russian legal)Milestone, they do not
need to unlock this crap bootloader.

I will donate 200 bucks if somebody makes Android for hd7

I would donate 200 bucks or more if somebody makes an android rom for HTC HD7 and i bet a lot of others would donate also.
This phone is even better than hd2 why doesn't nobody want to start making an android rom for it, it shouldn't be that hard i guess.

But is the HD7 any better than a desire HD which already runs Android. I prefer the case design that's for sure - the hd7 is a pain to keep clean and the sharp edges are prone to chipping
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BlitterTwisted said:
But is the HD7 any better than a desire HD which already runs Android. I prefer the case design that's for sure - the hd7 is a pain to keep clean and the sharp edges are prone to chipping
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why do most members here post useless replies.
i am not comparing phones here please don't derail threads.

dacook2 said:
why do most members here post useless replies.
i am not comparing phones here please don't derail threads.
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Because most people bought the phone with intentions of using Windows Phone 7? You don't buy an iPhone to use Android do you? He is simply bringing up a valid point, the desire HD is better than the HD7 if you want Android.
Second, Windows Phone 7 is nowhere near as hackable or open as Windows Mobile on the HD2. It obviously is not that simple. Even on the HD2, it look a good half year before the early releases of Android on SD were even released.

Dacook2, all one has to do is look at your 6 posts on xda to find out who submits useless comments. First you want cab files now Android. You clearly never bothered to use the search feature, where these things have been addressed many times over.
Pro tip: do some research before you a) buy a phone and b) post troll crap on a developer forum. take your 200 dollars and buy a clue.
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Why don't you just take those $200 and go register a new contract with your carrier for a new phone ?
Register with T-Mobile 2-years contract for an HD7, paid nearly $200 and then now begging someone else to make an Android for a Windows Phone.
If i don't mind, please allow me to ask you straight : "Are you $tupid?"

dacook2 said:
I would donate 200 bucks or more if somebody makes an android rom for HTC HD7 and i bet a lot of others would donate also.
This phone is even better than hd2 why doesn't nobody want to start making an android rom for it, it shouldn't be that hard i guess.
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you are the first one who put the money where there mouth is....
hope $200/- is very big money... in indonasia at least...

Where's the mods in this section? Lock these stupid useless threads, three Android threads, one is getting filled with rants by some Sandra user, the other one you have idiots demanding you tell them how to brick their phone with clone hd7 rom, and now this? Thread needs to be locked, its useless and stupid. There are people on this board that do want to see real info on the status, not retarded threads that lead to nothing

wow you guys are really rude what kind of a community is this ?
you gang up on some new member and flame him as much as you can.
this is my topic it doesn't have to do with any other phone i made this topic only to say i would donate for this development to make somebody be interested in making it if it's money he is asking.
Why do you come and read this kind of topic if you have no interest in.
You are just here to flame new members showing off how many posts you have.
In the rules there is nothing that states about that i am not allowed to ask questions about HD7 phones and yes i have used the search button i couldn't find what i was looking for that is why i made these 2 threads.
If you don't like me that is another story pm your msn and let's talk it through but don't derail my topics saying my posts are useless of course they are useless to you because its my questions.
If somebody from you doesn't have something wise to say please GTFO of my topics.

I think the moral of the story is not to start new threads that have already been covered dozens of times.
You stated you searched for Android development but couldn't find anything, yet you posted on the "HD7 and Android" thread before starting this one? Also, when you created this topic, you must have seen where it lists topics of a similar nature?
It leads back to my question on your other thread to do with .cab files, did you not look into the phone/OS when you bought the device?
The key thing to remember is that this is a Developer forum.
Threads such as this are basically redundant. Asking questions or asking for help is fine, but requesting developers waste their time on porting over an OS that is readily available on a number of handset that look and act almost identical to the HD7 is holding back the development of this OS, which understandably annoys the Majority of us in the HD7 section.

Lets not just jump over board kids.
Donate someone to make android is quite silly. Again no one will believe such thing and 200 wouldnt be happy enough. You would donate more then 1,000 to someone but that again would be quite stupidty.. However i can understand your frustration as much as i am.
Windows phone 7 marketplace use useless wonders.. theres nothing i enjoy there for apps. I do more apps on the phone then making calls.
So lets fingers cross for android for HTC HD7 should we ? we are all together into this.
cheers
sandra

I have 39 post so you saying I'm trying to show off my count or bring rude is ridiculous.

I see a lot of good points in this thread. I personally would like to see HD7 get Android, even though there are better phones for running Android OS alone. However, I like to peak and tweak what I have, so I would enjoy having a phone running an os that isnt supposed to have it, with the option of going back (since I cant make up my mind, nor leave a perfectly good working phone alone for 10 seconds). I am currently running an HD2 with Typhoons Cyanogenmod, and I love being able to do anything I want to my phone whenever I want. I can't wait to get ahold of the HD7. I appreciate all the devs and all their hard work. I have gone through 5 different tmobile android phones in the last 6 months, and XDA has been THE site for me. I am currently trying to learn a bit about how the android os works (hardware handling, coding, etc), so I can add to the already awesome pool of devs that are here. XDA is the best, and I appreciate all the efforts.

I think we all need to remember what our mothers use to tell us "If you don't have something nice (or helpful) to say why don't you just shut yer' cakehole"
dacook2 is just trying to get something going on a great phone that won't let you do crap with it.
I think we should be asking Microsoft how the hell can they release a product that needs so much work......Hell i can't even go forward one song on my media player without unlocking my damn phone.
Have Patience my Padawan learner.
-and yes this is my first post, SO WHAT!!--

twinkiehawk said:
I think we all need to remember what our mothers use to tell us "If you don't have something nice (or helpful) to say why don't you just shut yer' cakehole"
dacook2 is just trying to get something going on a great phone that won't let you do crap with it.
I think we should be asking Microsoft how the hell can they release a product that needs so much work......Hell i can't even go forward one song on my media player without unlocking my damn phone.
Have Patience my Padawan learner.
-and yes this is my first post, SO WHAT!!--
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You did press power button and then any of volume buttons to bring zune menu down? Even on locked screen.

twinkiehawk said:
I think we all need to remember what our mothers use to tell us "If you don't have something nice (or helpful) to say why don't you just shut yer' cakehole"
dacook2 is just trying to get something going on a great phone that won't let you do crap with it.
I think we should be asking Microsoft how the hell can they release a product that needs so much work......Hell i can't even go forward one song on my media player without unlocking my damn phone.
Have Patience my Padawan learner.
-and yes this is my first post, SO WHAT!!--
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oh my GOD i feel so happy now finally some decent individual who agrees with me.
This is the first time somebody said such a nice thing to me in my life on here Thank you so much.
Hope you have a great weekend my friend i owe you one.
Thank God i think there is a future for this community after all if members like this one interact here.
I am so happy i could **** rainbows.

Remember kids. If wp7 doesnt get android for HD7 the only smart thinking is toi buy a tablet. with android built in. Never a tablet with wp7 obviously.
Tablets are now more and more available and relaly just the cost of a small price for a 10.1 sizes screen.
So we can get the tablet not an (ipad2) because are all not into apples. But a nice tablet 10.1 for android. And the phone HTC HD7 will just stay as it is with wp7 so there for u have android on the tablet and wp7 on the other device. And take the tablet around with you everywhere you go. After all a phone that that small screen is still really a small screen to beging with.
10.1 screen tablet will make you happyness.

You r going hard on him i think that his offer is good.sometimes we look for the change just because it's a change
it's not a matter of which is better wm7 or android but it's interseting to be able to use more operating systems on the same phone

Ha we're rude!! I point out to you that you're barking up the wrong tree trying to get Android running on the wp7 version of an Android phone and you start taking offence. You're just whinging because you bought the wrong phone
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BlitterTwisted said:
Ha we're rude!! I point out to you that you're barking up the wrong tree trying to get Android running on the wp7 version of an Android phone and you start taking offence. You're just whinging because you bought the wrong phone
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Excatly. I loved my HD2 and kept it for as long as I could before getting HD7. The only reason I run android on it is to see if I like it more then WP7.
All in all Android was good but interface speed was frustrating, so I tested Desires S in a shop and it worked the same way. Only now that I tested Motorola Atrix I would go with Android phone as it is easilly fast enough to run Honeycomb android on it. Normal Android is very fast on it.
You did not see what WP7 is about, what it can and can not do, what are the apps just went bought a fashion accessory like many iphone users do/did.

XDA = eBay moneymaking source :(

Just want to share listings which i found :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270904716829&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HTC-SENSA...52440?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item1c233afbf8
They are not a XDA devs but they use XDA and another forum as source to make money.
People stay away from them. Devs are only the one who should have profits from their hard work in my opinion. Also theirs prices are so high for things which Devs share for free with all of us.

That's such a piss take

40 for that ?! Haha what a joke.

XDA should ban them!!

I dont think anything is wrong with it. They have taken the time to research and learn how to root and install custom roms. Some people cant comprehend or are just scared to do it themselves. I also imagine that the people who want a custom rom and are afraid to do it themselves have already come accross XDA, but still cant do it.
Although it sounds expensive to us, to some people might justify it, and the people who are doing it, should get paid for their time.
Edit: Although I do agree that the Devs should get a donation for their work.

nunyabiz said:
I dont think anything is wrong with it. They have taken the time to research and learn how to root and install custom roms. Some people cant comprehend or are just scared to do it themselves. I also imagine that the people who want a custom rom and are afraid to do it themselves have already come accross XDA, but still cant do it.
Although it sounds expensive to us, to some people might justify it, and the people who are doing it, should get paid for their time.
Edit: Although I do agree that the Devs should get a donation for their work.
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Then you are no better than them....
Have a good day.
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I could look at this two ways.
Initial impressions were "OMFG... stealing hacks"
But then if they offer a guaranteed assurance that if it bricks, your covered, then I think £40 is fair enough.
I wouldn't mind paying £40 for a guaranteed root. It's sensible.

seems fair enough to me......
i cant see the problem myself. its not as if people are been forced to use the service. the only reason i wont root is i just know i'll brick my phone. i simply dont have time to read countless pages on how to do it, and after spending too much time messing about on my hd2, i dont think the better half would be as forgiving again. so, £40 for a service which i'd quiet like but i'll NEVER do myself seems pretty good to me. as for people shouting for them to be banned from xda......just LOL.........

donwhann said:
i cant see the problem myself. its not as if people are been forced to use the service. the only reason i wont root is i just know i'll brick my phone. i simply dont have time to read countless pages on how to do it, and after spending too much time messing about on my hd2, i dont think the better half would be as forgiving again. so, £40 for a service which i'd quiet like but i'll NEVER do myself seems pretty good to me. as for people shouting for them to be banned from xda......just LOL.........
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Countless pages? Are you serious mate?
OK, I've assembled a quick guide for you.
Requirements:
Brain
Htc Sensation
Electricity
Computer with access to internet
Hands
Knowing how to read
Then its easy:
Follow this link and do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Have a good day.

Hmm, the free market filling a niche for people who can't be bothered to learn a few new skills - it ain't new people, I recall the exact same indignation when Android first arrived for the hd2 and people sold 'installation kits'.
There's no way to stop it, no matter now easy the noob guides are - you only have to read the cries for help in the forum to realise that some people simply cannot understand something written down.
You'd hope their conscience made them donate to the dev's, but I wouldn't bet on it.

dmcb123 said:
XDA should ban them!!
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How can XDA ban them?

beston94 said:
Countless pages? Are you serious mate?
OK, I've assembled a quick guide for you.
Requirements:
Brain
Htc Sensation
Electricity
Computer with access to internet
Hands
Knowing how to read
Then its easy:
Follow this link and do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Have a good day.
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or you could just pay someone £35 to do it for you......., lazy i know, but hey, thats life.........
ps: i just checked your link and the HUGE WALLS OF TEXT just puts me off, i'd defo pay for the service if i ever wanted to root my phone....

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Hmm, the free market filling a niche for people who can't be bothered to learn a few new skills - it ain't new people, I recall the exact same indignation when Android first arrived for the hd2 and people sold 'installation kits'.
There's no way to stop it, no matter now easy the noob guides are - you only have to read the cries for help in the forum to realise that some people simply cannot understand something written down.
You'd hope their conscience made them donate to the dev's, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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this. i tried walking a guy (he was asking help on craigslist) thru installing android on a hd2, and he couldn't follow my directions...

If devs don't mind and there is a buyer willing to pay for the service why not.
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donwhann said:
or you could just pay someone £35 to do it for you......., lazy i know, but hey, thats life.........
ps: i just checked your link and the HUGE WALLS OF TEXT just puts me off, i'd defo pay for the service if i ever wanted to root my phone....
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Exactly. Not every one is smart. Not every one has TIME
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hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200

illuminarias said:
hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200
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Bit harsh perhaps?

illuminarias said:
hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200
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for charging £35-£40 for the service ?, perhaps £15-£20 might have been better.......

I don't seem the harm if the devs are ok with it either. I mean back in the days, before rooting, people were paying people like davinciteam to "unlock" the phones to get the bloated carrier software off the phones. No, Davinci is not exactly the same as these ebay listers, but it's the service you are paying for, bottom line.
If you don't like it, don't use it.

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Exactly. Not every one is smart. Not every one has TIME
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Not everyone is smart? Are you kidding me? A 10 year old could follow the instructions and complete the s-off and root and flash a custom rom.
What the hell is happening to our world?
Here is my advice to you "not smart" people: USE YOUR BRAIN.

Google does NOT care if you root your Nexus!

I've seen a lot of people fretting about being able to RMA their nexus after unlocking/rooting/trying different ROMS & kernels. Likewise there are conversations about & guides about how to reset the device to hide the fact it has ever been unlocked. This is all an absolutely unnecessary worry.
So, to put everyone at ease I share with all XDA'rs the answer I got from Google when I asked "Hey guys, will rooting wreck my warranty?" I think you will all find this to utterly unambiguous.
Thank you for contacting Google!
Warranties and RMA are still covered *regardless* if a device was rooted.
We are not trying to prevent customers from unlocking the bootloader and installing a new operating system that allows for "rooting".
Android has always provided customers the ability to do that on Nexus devices, and encouraged other OEMs to do the same. So in that sense we are not against "rooting."
This being said, we can't guarantee full advertised/promised functionality if the source code for the Android OS has been modified as the functionality may have changed.
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There you go folks, it's a developer's device so use it to it's full potential. This appears to be Google boilerplate so you're looking at an off-the-cuff response from some random support staffer. (I couldn't import the pretty formatting.)
Think any other brand/manufacturer would have a similar answer to the same question?
Hope this gives everyone a nice warm feeling -- and I suppose I should sign off begging you to hit the 'thanks' button. :angel:
EDIT: Just to clarify, this about Google's North American policy - it appears that they follow this throughout Europe as well, and that European law probably reinforces this. Still, it can't hurt for anyone to check with Google themselves. Also, as per the thread title, this is about Google. If your warranty is held by anyone else this info may have no relevance at all.

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I've...
Hope this gives everyone a nice warm feeling -- and I suppose I should sign off begging you to hit the 'thanks' button. :angel:
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Is this real? I know they don't care, but would they really say it in writing? Do you have the actual email?

aooga said:
Is this real? I know they don't care, but would they really say it in writing? Do you have the actual email?
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Yes, I just cut & pasted the actual response as I got it -- but lost the *bullet point formatting. Other than that I omitted the Dear [my name] & the rest of the boilerplate about contacting Google for any other follow-up or other questions.
I understand your question it sounds almost too good to be true.

This is fantastic. Thanks for sharing.

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Yes, I just cut & pasted the actual response as I got it -- but lost the *bullet point formatting. Other than that I omitted the Dear [my name] & the rest of the boilerplate about contacting Google for any other follow-up or other questions.
I understand your question it sounds almost too good to be true.
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Cool. Good to know.

They provided us with the tools to unlock/lock our bootloader and set up a website to show us exactly how to do it. I think it couldn't be anymore obvious that they don't care that you stuck some binaries on the /system partition so you could run Titanium Backup

NotFromMountainView said:
I've seen a lot of people fretting about being able to RMA their nexus after unlocking/rooting/trying different ROMS & kernels. Likewise there are conversations about & guides about how to reset the device to hide the fact it has ever been unlocked. This is all an absolutely unnecessary worry.
So, to put everyone at ease I share with all XDA'rs the answer I got from Google when I asked "Hey guys, will rooting wreck my warranty?" I think you will all find this to utterly unambiguous.
There you go folks, it's a developer's device so use it to it's full potential. This appears to be Google boilerplate so you're looking at an off-the-cuff response from some random support staffer. (I couldn't import the pretty formatting.)
Think any other brand/manufacturer would have a similar answer to the same question?
Hope this gives everyone a nice warm feeling -- and I suppose I should sign off begging you to hit the 'thanks' button. :angel:
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Sorry little edit. Its not advertised as a developers device. Nowhere in google's ads or their nexus page does it says "developer". I'd still be wary of RMA with root if you highly modified system apps and such.
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monkeypaws said:
Sorry little edit. Its not advertised as a developers device. Nowhere in google's ads or their nexus page does it says "developer". I'd still be wary of RMA with root if you highly modified system apps and such.
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It never hurts to be wary. And it anyone managed to overclock the device so astronomically that it burst into flames there may be some pushback from Google. But the email is, as I said, unambiguous.
As to the suggested edit, I never said anything about advertising, but certainly you can tap 7 times and be rewarded with "Congratulations, you are now a developer!" That, as well as well as crachel's point seem to weigh towards it being referred to as a developer's device -- at least casually.

yup. ive always told people that if its a hardware issue, google will rma it, even if its rooted. but if its a software issue, most likely they wont. google themselves looked for a way to give us the means to unlock our bootloaders, and fastboot oem unlock is the gift they gave us with the nexus one
i myself have sent in devices that are still rooted, with custom roms, to get rma'd. google never gave me issue.

simms22 said:
yup. ive always told people that if its a hardware issue, google will rma it, even if its rooted. but if its a software issue, most likely they wont. google themselves looked for a way to give us the means to unlock our bootloaders, and fastboot oem unlock is the gift they gave us with the nexus one
i myself have sent in devices that are still rooted, with custom roms, to get rma'd. google never gave me issue.
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simms22: My guess is that if there's any question of the problem actually being a custom OS issue just re-flash/reset to stock & any remaining hardware issues will be dealt with by Google. My key point was that nobody need worry about resetting any flag that it had been unlocked at some point. From your experience & what they've said and done I think it would take some phenomenally destructive code before they'd even raise the issue.

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simms22: My guess is that if there's any question of the problem actually being a custom OS issue just re-flash/reset to stock & any remaining hardware issues will be dealt with by Google. My key point was that nobody need worry about resetting any flag that it had been unlocked at some point. From your experience & what they've said and done I think it would take some phenomenally destructive code before they'd even raise the issue.
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when the nexus one just came out, there was a big name google developer that stopped in xda and helped us out every once in a while. i wish i could remember his name. sometimes we even got "leaked" code directly from google. that would never have happened if google cared that we had root.

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when the nexus one just came out, there was a big name google developer that stopped in xda and helped us out every once in a while. i wish i could remember his name. sometimes we even got "leaked" code directly from google. that would never have happened if google cared that we had root.
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That is just great! And just one more reason that I find it really hard to become overwrought over rattling buttons.
An obvious extension of this is that on support calls (or email) one can mention root/kernel/ROM without fear. Heck, Google might even want to know how mods perform.

But this is till the time we can RMA it which google is handling but when our warranty will expire we will have take it to Lg service center and I doubt that they will also give the same reply.
Policies for both of them must be different.

LG will most likely not be so understanding regarding rooting in country`s where there you can`t buy a Nexus in the Play store but in a shop.

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LG will most likely not be so understanding regarding rooting in country`s where there you can`t buy a Nexus in the Play store but in a shop.
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LG wont be understanding, period. Its only google that will except rooted devices.

If you bought another/extended warranty from your carrier or if your carrier import and service your phone then I think you have to keep hands in yr pockets they may not have a user friendly policy as Google's seems to ...

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LG wont be understanding, period. Its only google that will except rooted devices.
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What do you think could be the reason Google doesn`t offer Nexus devices in all country`s instead of in selected country`s only?
Besides the obvious $$ reason for LG making more money

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What do you think could be the reason Google doesn`t offer Nexus devices in all country`s instead of selected country`s only?
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there could be many, most likely legal though. maybe even something with taxes or the currency being used in that country.

Hi,
I asked too about root, unlocked bootloader/custom rom (custom Android Kit-Kat software) and warranty LG/Google, the French support is light and evasive (even if I detailed all the points):
Google traduction D):
Thank you for contacting the Google team about your Nexus 5. My name is and I'm Rozenn your contact today.
I understand your desire to rooter your phone because it is of course one of the benefits of owning the Nexus 5 and the android system.
However, if you need to claim warranty, we will ask you to return the phone to the Android version of Kitkat.
Also, be aware that we can not guarantee the functionality of the device if it is Roote.
If your phone is a concern and you need to claim warranty, from the moment he received no trace of shock or been in contact with water, simply contact us. If we can not resolve your concern, we will offer you an exchange. Your product is guaranteed for 2 years.
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But the general idea seems the same as the reply from Google in the OP, less detailed.

viking37 said:
Hi,
I asked too about root, unlocked bootloader/custom rom (custom Android Kit-Kat software) and warranty LG/Google, the French support is light and evasive (even if I detailed all the points
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If I'm not mistaken there's an European law about that. Basically if we have bought a device in Europe the manufacturer must repare our device even if the software has been modified. (Instruction no. 1999/44/CE of E.U.)

PLEASE HELP ME! my phone is "rooted" with 3 third-party apps my BF installed!

PLEASE HELP ME! my phone is "rooted" with 3 third-party apps my BF installed!
I noticed that my nexus 6 was acting funny, and since my boyfriend purchased this phone for me- he set the entire thing up. The day it arrived, he plugged my phone into his laptop and started typing away at what looked like a black screen and a boxy white font with a bunch of rom codes etc(at this point, i was totally clueless and oblivious to what he was doing)...
Then, he would sporadically bring up specific texts that i had sent, and at times would randomly pinpoint specific addresses and times and asked me about them(mind you, they were my friends homes) which left me to wonder "how the hell did he even know about that text or specific location unless my phone is hacked??"
so, i took my phone to a specialist who confirmed that my phone was rooted with a custom ROM along with 3 third-party apps "kernel adiutor", "pure nexus", and "xda labs".
Once i called tech support for my phone, they said they couldn't help me because they're third party apps that are not legal to use in the first place.
long story short, his mom confirmed recently that he in fact has my phone hacked. can somebody please give me insight on the apps he installed and the purpose they serve?? what kind of access/capabilities does he have now that my phone is rooted even if i restore my phone???

Kernel Auditor Xda labs and pure nexus are not phone hacking apps Xda lab is app by xda community and Kernel Auditor is for tweaking the kernel and i think Pure Nexus is a Custom Rom for the Nexus
If you want to get rid of this you can ask service centre to flash Stock Rom of Nexus phone
Sent from my SM-A9000 using XDA-Developers mobile app

Download a factory image from here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Follow the instructions on the webpage. Doing this will wipe your phone and put it back to 100% stock.
Also lol @ this:
vneedshelpASAP said:
Once i called tech support for my phone, they said they couldn't help me because they're third party apps that are not legal to use in the first place.
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You have a very *very* serious problem.
As khanboyz007 says, the apps you mention are entirely pukka, totally normal, nothing suspicious.
But...
If you can't trust your boyfriend so much that you have to post for help from anonymous strangers, then your problem is far deeper than your Nexus 6. From the technical side of your description, he's done nothing at all wrong, but from reading between the lines you don't trust him, and *that's* a dealbreaker.
Why are you asking us instead of him? Give him a chance to explain. Maybe there's nothing more sinister than you (clearly without any technical knowledge... sorry...) don't have your phone password-protected and he's just looked at your texts - in itself a breach of trust, but still not justifying posting in a public forum to strangers.

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You have a very *very* serious problem.
As khanboyz007 says, the apps you mention are entirely pukka, totally normal, nothing suspicious.
But...
If you can't trust your boyfriend so much that you have to post for help from anonymous strangers, then your problem is far deeper than your Nexus 6. From the technical side of your description, he's done nothing at all wrong, but from reading between the lines you don't trust him, and *that's* a dealbreaker.
Why are you asking us instead of him? Give him a chance to explain. Maybe there's nothing more sinister than you (clearly without any technical knowledge... sorry...) don't have your phone password-protected and he's just looked at your texts - in itself a breach of trust, but still not justifying posting in a public forum to strangers.
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I wouldnt say that at all. If he can tell where she has been and what text she is sending then he installed one of the many monitor apps onto her phone which is illegal.
My advise would be to completely wipe your device. Flash a stock rom and dont let him touch your device.
As for your personal life no one can or has any right to say anything about that. Do what you think is best.

If he knows the locations you've been at its possible he has your google+ share location set where it's shared with him. Or possibly he had set up an email for you on it and is signing into it to track your location. As far as the apps you mentioned they are %100 percent legal, most carrier don't know anything about rooting or custom Roms and will not give you adequate advice. But as they said, you can just flash the stock image, make your own Gmail to sign in or make sure to change your Gmail password. After you do make sure that that you put a password on your device that he doesn't know.

"then he installed one of the many monitor apps onto her phone"
Isn't that what I said...? No trust. This isn't in any way a technical question - it's about their relationship.
And since I've seen your many posts here over the years I know you've got a fair amount of life experience, in which case I can assume that you know of Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is likely to be the correct one, and the simplest explanation here is not that he's installed a monitoring app but is simply looking at the phone. I stand by my comments.
"no one can or has any right to say anything about that"
Yes, I agree, it would be none of my business - *if* she hadn't asked for my advice (as well as yours).
If she has so little trust in her partner, and has asked for advice (technical or otherwise), then the answer has to be "Look very carefully at your relationship".
(P.S. To avoid the inevitable "sexist" comments, yes, I've assumed it's a female poster, but I'm aware that there are alternatives).

To be honest I think it might be a moot point as he is most likely part of this forum and has seen this post.

Then he's got the message...

Or this is just a prank. Like I'm getting private messages from people who haven't even posted yet to fix their phones.

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Or this is just a prank.
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Yes, that same thought had occurred to me. I give the benefit of the doubt unless there's a clear sign that it's a joke, and this one does come close to the edge...
A lot of effort for a not-funny joke though. It would be good if the OP provides some feedback - I do get very fed up with people asking for advice, which is given maybe by half a dozen people who have taken the time and trouble to provide it, only for the OP to vanish into the ether without so much as a "thank you" button press.

Step one, flash the phone back to stock using the links provided eariler posts.
Step two, dump the loser - he is too controlling, and this will never change...

Now that the personal advice has been given, let's bring this thread back to troubleshooting device issues, not relationship issues . Thanks for your cooperation.

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.... my boyfriend purchased this phone for me- he set the entire thing up.
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Your friend has set up your phone the same way as he should do for himself.
There nothing wrong with rooting and the apps you mentioned.
My idea is that ask him very friendly to flash the latest official stock Rom.
Tell him that you prefer the official rom of Google.
Because you want official support when there is something wrong. And you don't need root acces because you only use 'normal' apps.
As everything there are disadvantages.
A rooted phone allows you to install layers. That makes it possible to choose dark themes. And that's important when you need a better battery life.

I Bet he's using Cerberus. Go into your settings>apps, select to include system apps. You'll be looking for a app name: system framework. If you see this He is tracking you using Ceberus, . This app/service is pretty awesome. I was able to track my phone down, see the texts sent, turn the mic on and listen to where my phone was at. .
Like everyone said flash a new rom. clean slate. Then dump dude, there should be no need for that crap.
Here's the link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lsdroid.cerberus&hl=en

vneedshelpASAP said:
I noticed that my nexus 6 was acting funny, and since my boyfriend purchased this phone for me- he set the entire thing up. The day it arrived, he plugged my phone into his laptop and started typing away at what looked like a black screen and a boxy white font with a bunch of rom codes etc(at this point, i was totally clueless and oblivious to what he was doing)...
Then, he would sporadically bring up specific texts that i had sent, and at times would randomly pinpoint specific addresses and times and asked me about them(mind you, they were my friends homes) which left me to wonder "how the hell did he even know about that text or specific location unless my phone is hacked??"
so, i took my phone to a specialist who confirmed that my phone was rooted with a custom ROM along with 3 third-party apps "kernel adiutor", "pure nexus", and "xda labs".
Once i called tech support for my phone, they said they couldn't help me because they're third party apps that are not legal to use in the first place.
long story short, his mom confirmed recently that he in fact has my phone hacked. can somebody please give me insight on the apps he installed and the purpose they serve?? what kind of access/capabilities does he have now that my phone is rooted even if i restore my phone???
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to me, a "specialist", it sounds like he did you a favor, by rooting your device, and adding apps that you will need to control your own phone. your "own" i say because otherwise you are just using someone elses device, that you happened to pay for with your money. so, instead of posting a pissy thread, id do a little more research on how to control your own phone, and then tell him thank you.
oh, btw, just because the apps arent from the play store, it does not make them illegal to use, at all. you can use whatever app you want, from wherever you want, LEGALLY.

I'm coming round to istperson's point of view - this thread is beginning to look more and more like an elaborate pointless hoax, and not a very funny one.
There are far too many of these threads where people ask a question and then disappear without the courtesy of a sign-off or even a "thank you". Very discouraging, and makes me less keen on spending my time here trying to help timewasting ingrates...

I'm gonna close this thread for now. If the OP has anything else to add they can contact me again to reopen it.
Not all apps are legal. It really depends on where you are living. As an example. Things like keyloggers, call recorders (depending on local laws) screen recorders and things of this nature are completely legal in some countries like China, while being completely illegal in other places in the world.
Also installing tracking software of any kind on someone's device is also illegal.
We have to remember that many people search for help on something, reg to the forum to get the answer and dont come back until they have another issue. This is becoming far more common as of late.