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Noob question on CWM backups

Hi all,
A question regarding backups:
I am currently on CM7 MIUI.US and am thinking of switching back to GB roms. If I do a backup on CWM now, and flashing stock GB + roms over, and if I so happen to not like the ROM and wishes to go back to MIUI, I can simply do a restore on my old backup is that correct?
Now backing up, do I need to do a factory reset? I am okay with cache + dalvik wipes, but factory resetting will reset all the customisation done on my MIUI rom and it is a nasty thing to do all over again (dragging and sorting all the apps into respective folders )
And I would have to use TiB to do all the restoration of my apps! and I would have to choose what apps to backup etc etc..
Thanks for any answers xda folks!

well you can maker a nandroid backup in CWM this is like an ISO image of the whole ROM, whether you will have issues restoring it on GB roms i dont know.
You could make a backup using the MIUI backup (which backs up settings and screen layouts and so on) but this would only be able to restore on MIUI ROM (if you decide to go back)
I would make a backup using MIUI, and make a backup using Ti Backup (if you have the paid version its all automated, No need to press DONE after each app has backed up)
Hope this helps.
EDIT: you could make a nandroid backup too, what the hell, if your flashing anyway, Im just not 100% sure it will work.

Yea i was asking if backing up nandroid will help when i want to revert.. But thanks for the heads up on the miui backup! And yeah I have tib pro so restoring isn't a pain, the tough part is the choosing of the apps to restore..
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truewt said:
Yea i was asking if backing up nandroid will help when i want to revert.. But thanks for the heads up on the miui backup! And yeah I have tib pro so restoring isn't a pain, the tough part is the choosing of the apps to restore..
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Well restoring a nandroid backup of a MIUI ROM and restoring it on a Different ROM MAY cause problems (ive never tried this)
Restore all your apps !! if you need to choose you obviously have too many and dont use them.
Delete the junk, Keep the good save yourself some space too !!
(im also an app collector lol)

There are those files from like 162939594 years ago that I use TiB to backup and never restored
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Will flashing a new ROM wipe everything?

My main question is that I want to go to the ROM F1 Galaxy S II V6 - SP1 [Look & Feel Of Galaxy S II] or to another updated ROM.
I am coming from froyo 2.2 JK2 (with VooDoo). If I do this flash will I loose all my app data/other data? Is there a way to flash the ROM and save this data? I don't mind losing messages or bookmarks, I just don't want to have to install all of my apps again.
Thank you!

aznhybrid said:
My main question is that I want to go to the ROM F1 Galaxy S II V6 - SP1 [Look & Feel Of Galaxy S II] or to another updated ROM.
I am coming from froyo 2.2 JK2 (with VooDoo). If I do this flash will I loose all my app data/other data? Is there a way to flash the ROM and save this data? I don't mind losing messages or bookmarks, I just don't want to have to install all of my apps again.
Thank you!
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each rom is different, some are wipe version, some are non-wipe. There are a lot of good arguments for cleaning your phone and doing a clean install every time you change rom -- although most people don't, hence the length of threads with people having issues from legacy data and programs having incompatibility issues.
As a general rule prior to flashing any new rom or kernel you should:
1. do a complete nandroid backup in recovery
2. backup your apps using Titanium backup or similar
3. copy the Titanium backup, your photos, music, contacts etc. to your PC
4. then flash, clean and reformat as required without fear of being able to recover important data and files.
Again, some do this. Many don't. Depends how frequently you are flashing and how replaceable your files are.

+1 to that, I highly recommend you do a full wipe, Its not that difficult with apps such as titanium backup, It does all the hard work for you.
Doing a wipe ensures no bugs will be carried over and you will get the best result.
i wouldnt say a wipe is necessary when upgrading to a newer version of the same ROM

lgsshedden said:
each rom is different, some are wipe version, some are non-wipe. There are a lot of good arguments for cleaning your phone and doing a clean install every time you change rom -- although most people don't, hence the length of threads with people having issues from legacy data and programs having incompatibility issues.
As a general rule prior to flashing any new rom or kernel you should:
1. do a complete nandroid backup in recovery
2. backup your apps using Titanium backup or similar
3. copy the Titanium backup, your photos, music, contacts etc. to your PC
4. then flash, clean and reformat as required without fear of being able to recover important data and files.
Again, some do this. Many don't. Depends how frequently you are flashing and how replaceable your files are.
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ahh thanks! exactly what I was looking for

Will and nandroid backup and titanium backup save the contact data? As in the links to the facebook accounts?
If not what can i use is it possible?
Thanks

Talon26 said:
Will and nandroid backup and titanium backup save the contact data? As in the links to the facebook accounts?
If not what can i use is it possible?
Thanks
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You can sync your all your contacts with your Google account and then just install and re-sync Facebook after flashing need Rom..
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Nandroid backs everything up. It makes a disc image of the current rom. When you restore a nandroid backup, you restore the entire image.
You won't be able to restore the facebook links using titanium backup. Samsung updated the contact app when upgrading from Froyo to GB. I tried restoring data from Froyo apps to GB apps, and I got so many force close I ended up having reflash the rom. Note this only applies to stock apps. You can restore your market apps without any problem.

[Q]Nandroid Backup

Hello guys,
I bought SGS1 a while ago and changed some roms it was annoying losing my apps then my friend told me to use titanium backup it was more annyong cuz i had to backup one program at a time
then i heard about Nandroid Backup , so my question is:
if i change ROM lets say from MIUI to Darky or something and i used Nandroid Backup, all my apps will be there after i restore?

Your phone will shift back exactly where it was when you nandroid backed up ! And any progress from their will be lost !
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BHuvan goyal said:
Your phone will shift back exactly where it was when you nandroid backed up ! And any progress from their will be lost !
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So if I change rom from miui to brand new one and then i restore it will go back to miui? or it will just put my apps from miui on the brand new rom?

Its backup whole rom with apps...tge best possible solution is u have to use titanium backup pro it make a complete backup of apps....i thinkn u r using some free version pf titanium thats why i makes problem.
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Titanium Backup offers the option to backup all your apps at the same time, in case you didn't know. This may be only for the paid version though, I'm not sure. But considering it's the most useful app I've come across, it's definitely worth the money.
Menu > Batch

Disc0nectoR said:
So if I change rom from miui to brand new one and then i restore it will go back to miui? or it will just put my apps from miui on the brand new rom?
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Actually if you try to restore a nandroid backup after switching to cm7/miui, your phone simply wont work as the file systems are completely different.
To go back to a Samsung ROM from miui you would need to flash a stock Samsung ROM via odin, and THEN restore the nandroid.
Anyway, beyond that remember the following...
Titanium backs up apps and app data, use after changing ROMs to regain apps.
Nandroid takes a snapshot of the entire ROM, use in case of problems to repair your phone.
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rschenck said:
Actually if you try to restore a nandroid backup after switching to cm7/miui, your phone simply wont work as the file systems are completely different.
To go back to a Samsung ROM from miui you would need to flash a stock Samsung ROM via odin, and THEN restore the nandroid.
Anyway, beyond that remember the following...
Titanium backs up apps and app data, use after changing ROMs to regain apps.
Nandroid takes a snapshot of the entire ROM, use in case of problems to repair your phone.
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Correctly said rschenck!!
Basically if you are on CM7 and want to give a try to MIUI just make a NANDROID backup for full ROM backup and try MIUI ,if you don't like it then flash back CM7 first and then restore the NANDROID backup!!
when it comes to Titaniuim backup , it backs up your app data,freezes them and the apps you want (only in pro version) on any ROM and restore back after flashing any other ROM, if you are on free version then you must select manually which apps to backup that's a pain in the ass !!
Use these according to your requirements....and dont ever restore one rom's nandroid with another as the Kernels,Filesystems,Modems,Bootloaders are entirely different and that could mess up your phone !!
i would prefer NANDROID over Titanuim !!

Thanks guys for this wonderful explanation...just one more query:
I'm currently using samsung Stock rom, CF root kernel, with lagfix(ext4), and some "framework" tweaks..and am thinking of trying CyanogenMod. So if i do a Nandroid backup now, and later decide to come back from cyanogenmod, can i just use Odin to get to ANY Stock rom so that the partitions, file systems, modem etc get back to a similar old format, OR do i need this exact Stock rom version, Kernel, lagfix etc before i can restore the nandroid?
is "kernel" included in a Nandroid backup? also, are Types of filesystems included (or "Lagfix" has to be repeated)?

[Q] A NON-wipe ICS rom?

Is there such a rom? I've checked teamhacksung's CM9 Alpha, Doc's Master ICS, Team ICSSGS, Fusion, and WeUI v0.6.6, and they all say to do a full wipe. Performed a search here and Google for any answers, but didn't find any.
I'm currently running Gingerbread 2.3.5 with Corn kernel, and when I upgraded from Froyo, I performed a full wipe. As many of you know, putting everything back on your phone is a major pain if you do not do a proper backup (I thought I backed up everything using Titanium, but apparently I didn't). Anyway, just curious if there is an ICS rom with a non-wipe option (or a super-cool, full of eye-candy Gingerbread rom with non-wipe).
Oh yeah, is Passion v13 Captivate-flashable? Thanks for any info you may have.

aicirt17 said:
Is there such a rom? I've checked teamhacksung's CM9 Alpha, Doc's Master ICS, Team ICSSGS, Fusion, and WeUI v0.6.6, and they all say to do a full wipe. Performed a search here and Google for any answers, but didn't find any.
I'm currently running Gingerbread 2.3.5 with Corn kernel, and when I upgraded from Froyo, I performed a full wipe. As many of you know, putting everything back on your phone is a major pain if you do not do a proper backup (I thought I backed up everything using Titanium, but apparently I didn't). Anyway, just curious if there is an ICS rom with a non-wipe option (or a super-cool, full of eye-candy Gingerbread rom with non-wipe).
Oh yeah, is Passion v13 Captivate-flashable? Thanks for any info you may have.
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You need to do a full wipe on your phone since you're coming from a Gingerbread ROM. You may not delete what's on your sdcard if you want to retain it but as for apps, it will be deleted and so are your contacts, messages, etc.

Yuck. Okay, I figured as much, I was just hoping So, a Nandroid back-up is best, right? NOT Titanium?

aicirt17 said:
Yuck. Okay, I figured as much, I was just hoping So, a Nandroid back-up is best, right? NOT Titanium?
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Yes, Nandroid back-up is good. You could do Titanium Backup as well but a fresh install of the apps would be better. I'm not sure it would work if you backed-up the apps from Gingerbread and install it on ICS, but you could try one app and test it.

aicirt17 said:
Yuck. Okay, I figured as much, I was just hoping So, a Nandroid back-up is best, right? NOT Titanium?
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You can do a A Nandroid, but don't try restoring that on ICS or you will most likely cause a metric ton of problems. Titanium would be the best way to back up and restore your apps and app data. NEVER restore system data.

mrhaley30705 said:
You can do a A Nandroid, but don't try restoring that on ICS or you will most likely cause a metric ton of problems. Titanium would be the best way to back up and restore your apps and app data. NEVER restore system data.
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Yep, forgot to mention that. Just backup your Apps and not your System Data.

Okay, wow, all the reading that I have done and I did NOT know that. No system data. Got it. Thank you both!

CM9 builds when upgrading from previous CM9 builds don't need a full wipe... I'm sure the others are the same... So won't be so bad unless you go between them all...

If you are so concerned with keeping your data and not wanting to go through the "pain" of resetting all your apps and such, you should stay with what you have. Instead, use a launcher with ICS themes to get the look of the ICS.
If you can take some pain and make the jump though, ICS offers a way more slicker OS for your Cappy.
Do not use Nandroid backup to restore your apps... TIBU is the one to use! As others said, the best way is to do a fresh (from the market) reinstall of all your apps and then use TIBU to restore your data for those specific apps only...
Edit: Concider this though while you are looking to upgrade. Most of these ICS roms are in beta stage... this means some bugs and other inconveniences... mind you they are minor but they exist. As the devs get these bugs and other issues addressed and update their roms, they would often require a fresh install (full wipe) to ensure best performance. This means that you will have to occasionally do a full wipe of your phone. It's fun to see the latest and greatest the devs have to offer but it also means that you have to do some "hard" work to enjoy the fruits of their labor... just something for you to think about...

I did not see it mentioned so I'll add. Every ROM that has a "no wipe" update is such because it is only a minor update to the existing ROM and not the whole. Even trying to do so results is a miss match of files and programs so at best you'll get FCs all over there place, at worst bootloops.
ICS, is a huge set of changes, including things google merged or removed. So the data from an app on an older version of android would be trying to send/receive info from a program that does not exist anymore and upon not getting what it wants would FC.
If you don't like having to restore everything, then wait from ICS until you see a few no wipe updates. Aside from SGSICS (since it is pure ASOP, and least likely to have any major changes) they all have a fair amount of developing yet to be done.
Now to the question of which type of backup . A nandroid backup is meant to restore your phone to it's current state (minus any partition changes). Tibu is designed for something like ROM hoping, so it only saves apps and their data. To illustrate an example of how to use both: 1 make backups, 2 load ICS ROM, 3 Tibu restore user apps (and user data only), 4 toy with ROM (be it a few hours or days), 5 you don't like it and want to go back, 6 Odin/Heimdall back to GB (to fix partition sizes), 7 restore nandroid and it's like your trip to ICS never happened.
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cvcduty said:
If you are so concerned with keeping your data and not wanting to go through the "pain" of resetting all your apps and such, you should stay with what you have. Instead, use a launcher with ICS themes to get the look of the ICS.
If you can take some pain and make the jump though, ICS offers a way more slicker OS for your Cappy.
Do not use Nandroid backup to restore your apps... TIBU is the one to use! As others said, the best way is to do a fresh (from the market) reinstall of all your apps and then use TIBU to restore your data for those specific apps only...
Edit: Concider this though while you are looking to upgrade. Most of these ICS roms are in beta stage... this means some bugs and other inconveniences... mind you they are minor but they exist. As the devs get these bugs and other issues addressed and update their roms, they would often require a fresh install (full wipe) to ensure best performance. This means that you will have to occasionally do a full wipe of your phone. It's fun to see the latest and greatest the devs have to offer but it also means that you have to do some "hard" work to enjoy the fruits of their labor... just something for you to think about...
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Cvcduty, you're right about enjoying the fruits of the other devs' labor. If they're willing to put in all that hard work just to keep our Captivates as updated as possible, then the very least I can do is go through 5 minutes of work to flash the roms correctly and in the way the devs intended, and not look for an easier way. I have flashed a couple of times before, I'm just not completely comfortable doing it. But I almost there!
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I did not see it mentioned so I'll add. Every ROM that has a "no wipe" update is such because it is only a minor update to the existing ROM and not the whole. Even trying to do so results is a miss match of files and programs so at best you'll get FCs all over there place, at worst bootloops.
ICS, is a huge set of changes, including things google merged or removed. So the data from an app on an older version of android would be trying to send/receive info from a program that does not exist anymore and upon not getting what it wants would FC.
If you don't like having to restore everything, then wait from ICS until you see a few no wipe updates. Aside from SGSICS (since it is pure ASOP, and least likely to have any major changes) they all have a fair amount of developing yet to be done.
Now to the question of which type of backup . A nandroid backup is meant to restore your phone to it's current state (minus any partition changes). Tibu is designed for something like ROM hoping, so it only saves apps and their data. To illustrate an example of how to use both: 1 make backups, 2 load ICS ROM, 3 Tibu restore user apps (and user data only), 4 toy with ROM (be it a few hours or days), 5 you don't like it and want to go back, 6 Odin/Heimdall back to GB (to fix partition sizes), 7 restore nandroid and it's like your trip to ICS never happened.
leaked from my ICS- FUSED SGS I897 contaminating you via XDA app.
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DaNaRkI, it's not that I don't like to restore everything (even though that's what I said), it's more like even though I have flashed a couple of times already, I'm still a little uncomfortable doing it. And I have read, I mean read for hours before I took my first step, but it seems like the more I read, I keep finding more new stuff that I probably should have known to start with. Take Nandroid and Tibu for example, I thought they worked exactly the same, but now I know, thanks to you, that there is a BIG difference. AND I learned yesterday (reading somewhere on here) to never ever restore "system data". It's a lot to keep up with if you're a blonde
Thank you for taking the time to explain, it helped a lot!

[Q] upgrade to rom ICS (titanium kackup)

hello everybody i have a question,if i would upgrade my darkyrom to a rom based on ics and if i would save all my apps and settings of these apps(for example savegame of emulator or data settings of poweramp),what steps do i have to do? backup of data+app or just backup of apps? or backup of only data? if i restore a backup of DATA in another rom with another firmware does it cause brick? thanks a lot for help

Your mileage may vary:
Restoring apps will probably be ok.
Restoring apps + data is flaky and you risk Forced Closures and other bad behaviours.
Make sure you make a nandroid backup of what you've got now, flash ICS, nandroid back it while it's still pristine, then restore apps via TB slowly and see what'll happen.
Another way is to reinstall the apps via Google Play account, after all, it has a record of everything you got from them. I know it can be a pain, but maybe you'll have a better gain. Clean install - clean app install
I hear you about app settings...try taking screen shots and storing on your microSD card/Dropbox/Google Drive...at least you have something to compare.
TLDR; risky restoring via apps + data via TB when going GB to ICS, sure thing is clean install and reinstall apps from Google Play.

I agree with this totally, nice idea about screen shots too
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