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I have been using dutty's rom with cube for the tilt and maybe I just don't get it by why is anyone putting it on their kaiser?
Don't get me wrong, I can see the point of it on the touch but why with the kaiser?
Yes, it is kinda cool to show it off to other people but it is such a waste to use. For example, slide finger over and over till you find the internet button and hit that OR just one quick hit for the internet button on the front of the phone.
Use the same cube moves to get to contacts or just one quick click on the front of the htc rom.
Using the cube is MUCH more time consuming then just using the phone as it was meant to be. Is everyone just so caught up with the "wow factor" of the touch cube or am I missing something?
Wow factor... It's rather retarded IMO
I agree with argo. At some point you still have to whip out the stylus to input information, doesn't matter if you used the cube to get you to contacts or if you used the hardware key to get to contacts. I've installed some of the finger friendly add-ons (not the cube) and it helps with simple taks, but if I'm opening an app, I usually still do it from the stylus. Old habits die hard...
yup, eye candy.
Mostly Eye Candy...
..but also for me, it's an attempt to have a fully functional device with one hand/one finger---without any need for the stylus.
With THE CUBE, FTOUCHFLO, Home Plugin, FFF, OtO, TekSoft FingerTouch and a few others, I don't remember the last time I actually had to whip out the stylus...
...oh WAIT! It was earlier today!!!
Oh well!!
TEC
I am using Touch-Commander simply to multiply the number of contacts I can speed-dial while driving without scrolling down an endless list. I also like the fact that I can SMS my faves as well as call them from their icon.
I was playing with the HTC Photo Album, but it is just not as efficient at finding the pics you want as is the Resco app.
Of all of the "touchy-feely" apps that have come along recently, FFF is, IMHO the one really fantastic one.
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Of all of the "touchy-feely" apps that have come along recently, FFF is, IMHO the one really fantastic one.
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I also agree that the Cube, and the obsession around it, is kinda overkill. Functionally, I don't see the sube as an advancement. Yes, the other parts of TouchFLO are valuable to me, and the recent creations to make the phone more finger-friendly otherwise like FFF are also useful to me. But the cube? I could do without.
I almost think the general obsession with the cube became more of a Mt Everest type of "we have to climb that mountain" quest more than anything else. Yes, its eye candy, but to be honest, its not even that great of eye candy. The iPhone "eye candy-wise" has it topped by far, and believe me, I'm not an Apple fanboy in any way shape or form. So, congrats to those who were able to scale the mountain. I envy your skill and your determination. Really, I do.
As for the recent programs that I like and think are functionally great, and to be honest minimize to very large degree the need for me to use my stylus are:
- FFF (easily the greatest, little, free, simple programs ever IMO)
- HTC Home
- S2U2 (much better at locking and yes its pretty also )
- PCM Keyboard (not the contacts prog, but the keyboard)
- Opera Mini 4
- Google Maps and Live Search
- PocketPlayer 3.5
Just my 2 cents. Honestly, since I installed these apps, I go days without even touching my stylus...Only when I do something non-routine, would I need to do so.
i think it would serve alot more purpose if we were able to customize it, maybe we can, but i know i have no idea how to. half the apps in it i never use. bout all i use it for is for the fav. people side. just a quick flick of the finger and i can free up some space on home screen
I seldom used the cube...on my old device, herald p4350
But I cooked roms, and ofcourse the cube was something ppl would say "wow" to, and then tell me how impressed they are..blahblah.
Some ppl drive stick, some automatic.....a matter of taste I guess.
Well, I think the cube is a cool invention, but the consept has a long road ahead before I will implement it again in my own rom.
But im sure HTC has a plan, and im sure they have many cool apps waiting, or in development that will make our devices more and more independent of the stylus.
HTC is spitting out cool devices faster then my granpa changed underwear....And im pretty sure all the new future features will be quite available for us all as they come.
I heard a rumor they are developing a touch type calendar, operated "similar" to htc album and some part the random access, but dont ask how that will operate, cant picture it exactly, but im sure its fun
Another rumor I heard is that htc are making a new innovative web browser, witch can operate over wifi/bluetooth against activesync/mobile center, zooming like htc album, flicking your finger left-right gestures to move forward and back..there was something about support for streaming many types of fileformats directly in the browser...
But...its just rumors I heard, I have not seen any proof of this anywhere...
Hoping someone has heard similar rumors????
And this is the one thing I like about the iPhone. Is I think it was sort of a wake up call for software developers to think of new programs and new ways to interact with existing functionality. So I thank them for spawning alot of disucssion and ideas about how to make a convergence device better and more practical/usable!
Now, if we can just get HTC to implement a screen as nice and sensitive as the one on that other thing...
I installed the cube successfully and gave it up twice. The main reason is that when I touch a small fav photo on the dialer of the HTC Home pluggin, the call goes out immediately to the ONE phone (mobile or home or whatever) of the person that I have assigned it to. With the cube, it just goes to the contact, and then I have to press the specific phone of the two or three assigned to the contact to make the call. Overall (one stroke to turn on the cube, another to get to the fav icons of the dialer, another to get to the right phone choice) it takes three keystrokes to make a call versus just one in the HTC Home plugin. Cube is nice, but not convenient.
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well I think everyone is correct it is eye candy it is mt everest and can be (or is now less effective) the cube is kinda a waste of memory ill agree. but the kaiser has only been out for 10-11 weeks that's it. the cube now is trying to catch up to what the elf is. with the elf the cube and the on screen keyboard is very effective. I've played with it. right now the elfs cube is a touch snapier (probaly because of the bugs still in there). but lets take that contacts situation from before htc home is 2 moves and 3 on the cube now. but what if u edited the registry so it dials mr jones mobile instead of mr jones subscreen (its been done already look in the elf thread). then u set the cube to always launch the contacts page (not done yet but the cube gods are discussing it). when the cubes final it will probaly behave better and quicker. so half a swipe up and the cubes launched and u land your finger on your contact. now your action took one quick fluent movement and it looks cool. not only that the original htc cube is three faces not too exciting but what if they make it a real cube with 6 sides. along with some original apps as previously discussed we might be very close to being without a stylus
In my opinion, the cube has some advantages. For example somtimes I wanna write my girlfiend an SMS, somtimes I want to call her, so for me the Contact Menu ist no disadvantage. Another example is, that the move with my thumb to open the cube is much more easier, than klick the smaller icons on the home screen. And the Cube opens on the Side it was closed. So in my case, I only need one thumb move to get to my contacts.
The Cube is 2008. No cube is oldsk00l
Now but I just like the design of it. I personaly only use the first screen and sometimes the contact screen. But IE, Comm, E-mail etc I never use cause i have keys that open those things.
Hmmmm....I do find it weird that there are people complaining about the cube on the Tytn II simply because last time I checked...it didn't ship with the cube
If you don't like, you don't have to go through the hassle of putting it on your device. Simple as that. Some people like it for the "wow" factor...good for them. Sometimes when you pay a lot of money for something, you may want to show of a bit (I know I do lol)
Personally, I use Dutty's rom with built in cube and I use the cube quite a lot for media such as my photo's (as it directs me to HTC Album which I like a lot), Video (which directs me to TCMP player) and my Music (Audio manager)
Anything that makes you feel good about owning something, even if it's purely aesthetic, can't be a bad thing.
Which is why I'll never get an i-Phone. I played with my mates one the other day and although its very seductive, its too limited fot me and I quickly got bored.
Personalisation is the key!
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I agree, I still don't have a Tytn II, I have a HTC Touch, I never use the cube, I only show it to people.
its all 4 show..
cube off = the way to roll.
Yeah, I stay away from roms with the cube
I like the cube!!
Is interesting to see the comments, because I actually like the cube for a few reasons...
But before that a little side comment. The cube (at the moment) is still probably aesthetics over functionality but you have to wonder if this is such a bad thing...look at the iphone - the ultimate example of style over true substance. It had my wife's total attention for 20 minutes in the O2 shop the other day - something my PPC had never done. Now that might be a comment on my wife but the sales figures would suggest otherwise
I'm using slither's cube and what it has done for me is allowed me to clean up my today screen of all those icons I used just enough to want to have close but not every 5 minutes.
The end result is my whole device runs faster for a few thumbswipes worth of effort.
As the cube develops it will get better and functionality and aesthetics will improve because you can bet the iphone wont stand still and we musn't either because I CANT STAND APPLE and the tripe they pour out.
Rant over. I'll get my coat now
I've been using Windows Mobile for about a year now, and have yet to see any improvement on it by Microsoft. It seems all other companies except the software giant are destroying it. Of course, I still like Windows Mobile, or I wouldn't be using it, but is there still enough going for it to keep using it?
First, let me start out with the interface...
Today Screen
This is what greets us when we turn on the device. Now, I'm not saying there's not a lot to love about this. You could use a new theme everyday and last for months. But how well does it go with the rest of the system? When you leave the today screen, you practically leave the customization, and are most likely in a typical windows mobile app (and have to wait in an un-animated manner for it to load). To fix: make all apps work together! make it more finger friendly, more customizable, and finally, MORE ANIMATED!
Notifications
Now, this is where windows mobile just... sucks (for lack of better words...)
Typically, you can either have a 90's pop-up window on the bottom of the screen, or a little tiny icon on the top. HTC has made it a little better by making the tap of the top screen enlarge the icons, but it is still very annoying to use. To fix: both the iPhone and Android have great notification systems. A nice, graphical window pops up in the middle of the screen, giving you an easy way to read and react to it,and escape it if need be. How hard would it be to implement a new way of getting notifications?
The bottom bar
I don't know about everyone, but I HATE the bottom bar. To me, it just seems like a waste of space. It shouldn't be there as much as it is. It should be smarter, and more finger friendly. To fix: make it not there unless it is really needed. Rely more on gestures, and when it is needed, make it larger and more graphical, with easy to use and useful buttons/links.
Scroll bars
I think we can all agree on this one. Windows Mobile has the smallest scroll bars I think I've ever seen in an OS. A toddler could barely use them! Android and the iPhone both have their own solutions, and I think a combination of them should be implemented. To fix: make them not need to be there. Use touch gestures instead. And when they do need to be there, have a large little "pull bar" (like Android) to move, and when it is not needed, have it disappear.
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I've been using Windows Mobile for about a year now, and have yet to see any improvement on it by Microsoft. It seems all other companies except the software giant are destroying it. Of course, I still like Windows Mobile, or I wouldn't be using it, but is there still enough going for it to keep using it?
First, let me start out with the interface...
Today Screen
This is what greets us when we turn on the device. Now, I'm not saying there's not a lot to love about this. You could use a new theme everyday and last for months. But how well does it go with the rest of the system? When you leave the today screen, you practically leave the customization, and are most likely in a typical windows mobile app (and have to wait in an un-animated manner for it to load). To fix: make all apps work together! make it more finger friendly, more customizable, and finally, MORE ANIMATED!
Would make it more slow, no?
Notifications
Now, this is where windows mobile just... sucks (for lack of better words...)
Typically, you can either have a 90's pop-up window on the bottom of the screen, or a little tiny icon on the top. HTC has made it a little better by making the tap of the top screen enlarge the icons, but it is still very annoying to use. To fix: both the iPhone and Android have great notification systems. A nice, graphical window pops up in the middle of the screen, giving you an easy way to read and react to it,and escape it if need be. How hard would it be to implement a new way of getting notifications?
No answer.
The bottom bar
I don't know about everyone, but I HATE the bottom bar. To me, it just seems like a waste of space. It shouldn't be there as much as it is. It should be smarter, and more finger friendly. To fix: make it not there unless it is really needed. Rely more on gestures, and when it is needed, make it larger and more graphical, with easy to use and useful buttons/links.
use dcinobar
Scroll bars
I think we can all agree on this one. Windows Mobile has the smallest scroll bars I think I've ever seen in an OS. A toddler could barely use them! Android and the iPhone both have their own solutions, and I think a combination of them should be implemented. To fix: make them not need to be there. Use touch gestures instead. And when they do need to be there, have a large little "pull bar" (like Android) to move, and when it is not needed, have it disappear.
buy ftouchsl and use advanced config to hide the scroll bars(hard to scroll through windows folder though)
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There are just too many TOUCH's in your FIXES!
Keep in mind: Windows Mobile - yes, even WM6.1 - is basically meant to be used with a STYLUS! I personally do not like to touch my screen all the time with my fingers; I sure know a lot of people like it and there is nothing wrong with that, however, I am one of the few out there actually using the stylus!
Also, your list is quite 'outdated' considering the fact that WM7 is in the making (just google it in the internet and you will see that all of your wishes is been working on!). For everything else, well, there are 3rd party application or hacks and tweaks available!
If WM wouldn't be the way it is, we would not have such a great place as XDA Developers.
The strength of WM is its customizability. My WM device is almost exclusively touch friendly. No stylus needed. I have a front end that is totally finger friendly (spb pocket plus), contacts (icontact), keyboard (pocket cm keyboard), image viewer (imageviewer), a finger friendly WMP skin (plus S2P).
Devin
I agree somewhat with what the OP has said, and I do agree that WM could use an overhaul (and it is getting one).
That said, I would be perfectly happy with the current WM setup if we could just get some better touch screens on these things. When all is said and done, I still like my Tilt much more than my iPhone, except for the touch screen. I can actually touch a very small object on the screen of that one with the pad of my thumb, it's so sensitive...on my Tilt, I often feel like the the screen is fighting with me whenever I try and touch it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, for me at least, WM needs an overhaul in the hardware department first.
Most of the issues can be modified with the infinite programs/options on this great site, but it´s a fact that WM needs to do something serious before he starts to get slow on the race...
WM 6.5? some say soon, but nothing really impressive I think
WM7? It looks promosing but let´s see...
LOL!!!
WinMo and I have a love/hate relationship.
For the general graphics of WM, like the scrollbars and buttons, they seemed to be the same basic crap from the first release.
Like orb3000, I too have a love/really hate relationship with WM. It does have its share of great software support (honestly can you run full screen videos on any other mobile as smoothly as tcpmp?, though i did not try iPhone ). But then it looses out on some very basic requirements like proper and systematic contact management, which most S60 3rd Edition devices have .
What does the peoples live tiles do besides drain battery? I notice it only shows certain profile pictures
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What does the peoples live tiles do besides drain battery? I notice it only shows certain profile pictures
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Well, if ur a kid or a face book addict, you set up your face book account and get updates on your friends, you know spy and stalk them
For the rest of us, nothing, messaging tile, phone tile, email tile, all do the same thing as every phone out there does of telling you on home page that you have a message or missed call or email, so in my eyes not much advancement here.
Tiles are bigger, take up more space and the color options were given again confirm that they are designed for teens. Nothing better then a nice pink tile right right
Once you go over to the side to view you apps, call me a moron, but hasn't the advancement of multi columns to see more on one page developed in the past 100 years when displaying data not known at MS? I dont get why they just line them up in one column? They advertise it as simple phone, yet by the time u tag all you need to home page, because the the size of these tiles, ( non adjustable size) i have to scroll down just as long to find what I need as I did tapping with other phones.
Just my two cents
Couldn't say it any better
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Well, if ur a kid or a face book addict, you set up your face book account and get updates on your friends, you know spy and stalk them
For the rest of us, nothing, messaging tile, phone tile, email tile, all do the same thing as every phone out there does of telling you on home page that you have a message or missed call or email, so in my eyes not much advancement here.
Tiles are bigger, take up more space and the color options were given again confirm that they are designed for teens. Nothing better then a nice pink tile right right
Once you go over to the side to view you apps, call me a moron, but hasn't the advancement of multi columns to see more on one page developed in the past 100 years when displaying data not known at MS? I dont get why they just line them up in one column? They advertise it as simple phone, yet by the time u tag all you need to home page, because the the size of these tiles, ( non adjustable size) i have to scroll down just as long to find what I need as I did tapping with other phones.
Just my two cents
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I thought the Live Tiles were one of the selling points of the OS.
The grid layout will scream it is an iPhone clone, and the home screen customization will scream an Android clone, and you know MS is trying to be different.
The last thing that went through my head when I first saw the tile interface was this being an iPhone copy.. my first thought was iPhone finally got pwnd.
Steve Jobs MS has no style, they do have now
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I thought the Live Tiles were one of the selling points of the OS.
The grid layout will scream it is an iPhone clone, and the home screen customization will scream an Android clone, and you know MS is trying to be different.
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In theory yes, but its the same concept that I will wear a bucket on my head to look different, but it doesnt make it efficient or practical.
No matter what they do they will all look similar, just like windows and mac and linux, they all have the same style, look diff but same format to follow, and that is because that format works.
Like cars, they all have an engine, and wheels and seats, they just dress them up differently to stand out.
What WM did here is take away what is needed and gave us a shell of a car, and said hold on, we might get u teh wheels and doors later.
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The last thing that went through my head when I first saw the tile interface was this being an iPhone copy.. my first thought was iPhone finally got pwnd.
Steve Jobs MS has no style, they do have now
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HD 2 was different then anthy thing out there, and I liked the home screen, it showed me all i need on once screen with no scrolling needed. Then droid adapted it from HTC so now WM wants to look diff and I think they went the wrong way personally. It not efficient at all, have to do more scrolling now then before.
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In theory yes, but its the same concept that I will wear a bucket on my head to look different, but it doesnt make it efficient or practical.
No matter what they do they will all look similar, just like windows and mac and linux, they all have the same style, look diff but same format to follow, and that is because that format works.
Like cars, they all have an engine, and wheels and seats, they just dress them up differently to stand out.
What WM did here is take away what is needed and gave us a shell of a car, and said hold on, we might get u teh wheels and doors later.
HD 2 was different then anthy thing out there, and I liked the home screen, it showed me all i need on once screen with no scrolling needed. Then droid adapted it from HTC so now WM wants to look diff and I think they went the wrong way personally. It not efficient at all, have to do more scrolling now then before.
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I actually find the live tiles helpful and with one flick of the finger I get the info I want. The problem with the HTC Sense UI (although they have pioneered the ideology of glancable information on the mobile phone), is that it also required add-ons to make it workable (Cookie home tab or maxsense) because navigating wasn't always that straightforward.
The Live Tiles are supposed to be big to display info (look at how Weather Channel App is using the live tile) and to be glancable. Another problem I found with the HD2 was that everyone was trying to shove way to much info on one screen, there are limited.
Going back to the original question, the live tile is really just the Contact Tile, it provides no real information (from what I can see) other than it is easy to spot on the phone amongst the other tiles. Since this is one of my main ways of contacting people, the visual changes (it animates more than any other tile) helps me get to people without hunting for it.
I reallt don't see why this should be deemed a "Teen" feature?
Anyway my final point is, some will like and some won't.
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In theory yes, but its the same concept that I will wear a bucket on my head to look different, but it doesnt make it efficient or practical.
No matter what they do they will all look similar, just like windows and mac and linux, they all have the same style, look diff but same format to follow, and that is because that format works.
Like cars, they all have an engine, and wheels and seats, they just dress them up differently to stand out.
What WM did here is take away what is needed and gave us a shell of a car, and said hold on, we might get u teh wheels and doors later.
HD 2 was different then anthy thing out there, and I liked the home screen, it showed me all i need on once screen with no scrolling needed. Then droid adapted it from HTC so now WM wants to look diff and I think they went the wrong way personally. It not efficient at all, have to do more scrolling now then before.
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If the hd2 fit your needs so well, why did you jump at launch to a brand new OS that all of us knew was going to be missing a couple of features???
As for the live tiles, the point is to give you info at a glance. Yes currently, only weather apps, and contacts tiles are really taking advantage of it, but that is going to change. Beezz twitter app today will use live tiles to give you mentions and direct messages. Other programs hopefully will follow suit.
The live tile is a tool. As with all tools it can make things that are useful and useless.
The standard tiles maybe unnecessarily big but tiles like Weatherbug that display information without having to run the app are great.
They can also be fun. It's nice to see album art from the last Zune artist you played or your Xbox avatar or pictures of friends.
They also allow you to do things you can’t do on other phones. You can pin a specific FM radio station to the start screen, or a web page, or a map with directions or a favourite album. With one tap you’re exactly where you need to be. It doesn’t get more efficient than that.
Personally I'd like to see an option of grouping four tiles into one. I don't need massive tiles for things like IE, messaging, hotmail and Marketplace. That would free up space for more useful tiles.
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The live tile is a tool. As with all tools it can make things that are useful and useless.
The standard tiles maybe unnecessarily big but tiles like Weatherbug that display information without having to run the app are great.
They can also be fun. It's nice to see album art from the last Zune artist you played or your Xbox avatar or pictures of friends.
They also allow you to do things you can’t do on other phones. You can pin a specific FM radio station to the start screen, or a web page, or a map with directions or a favorite album. With one tap you’re exactly where you need to be. It doesn’t get more efficient than that.
Personally I'd like to see an option of grouping four tiles into one. I don't need massive tiles for things like IE, messaging, hotmail and Marketplace. That would free up space for more useful tiles.
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Nice point which I agree with, I have 4 emal addresses, so after the phone tile, people tile, messages tile and then 4 diff email address tiles, i have to do a lot of scrolling to see other things, so having a small icon for sms alert, and email alert and missed call alert would free up an entire page for me.
If i was developer of this OS, id give an option to either have it tile mode, or smaller active tiles as app launchers like we had on HD2 along with time and small notifiers bottom of screen, give ppl options to customize.
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They also allow you to do things you can’t do on other phones. You can pin a specific FM radio station to the start screen, or a web page, or a map with directions or a favourite album. With one tap you’re exactly where you need to be. It doesn’t get more efficient than that.
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how's that different from shortcuts on Android?
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how's that different from shortcuts on Android?
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amen every one that has been praising this phone i dont get, i dont see what is so special, hardware might be nice but OS is nothing different
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amen every one that has been praising this phone i dont get, i dont see what is so special, hardware might be nice but OS is nothing different
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+1, last time I asked about the usability of the OS, and without getting a clear answer the thread went into a flame war.
just something else i thought about.
Many saying that MS wanted to develop something different.
How does putting the lock and unlock button up top JUST LIKE IPHONE has had for a while now, make this phone diff?
They sereously went the wrong way. . . This BS OS can not be compared to Android. The Android OS is 99% customizable. . . This. . . I can't even describe. It's like the Apple OS, just uglier. . . Good work Microsoft. . . They should have called it VistaMobile instead of WMO7. . . Now the question is, will they just give up and bail on this OS or actually make it better.
Too bad, the hardware is so nice.
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They sereously went the wrong way. . . This BS OS can not be compared to Android. The Android OS is 99% customizable. . . This. . . I can't even describe. It's like the Apple OS, just uglier. . . Good work Microsoft. . . They should have called it VistaMobile instead of WMO7. . . Now the question is, will they just give up and bail on this OS or actually make it better.
Too bad, the hardware is so nice.
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In the past week everywhere I went and pulled my phone to use it everybody was like "wow such a nice phone" so I am pretty sure there will be success sooner or later. And Microsoft didn't put so much money in this to just give up after a few months because some people with much better phones and so infinitely more freedom than any WP7 who need to play Linux Brotherhood on their device 24/7 would say different.
Live tiles are similar to widgets in android, they offer information at a glance without having to go into the app. For example, weather bug shows the temperature and current weather of your location from the homescreen. ITN News displays a picture of the latest news article.
Some tiles also have animations making the home screen look better.
The difference between Widgets and Tiles is that Tiles get information using Push rather than Pull. When you receive a new message it will be pushed to the tile so that it displays a 1, when new news hits ITN the image is pushed to the tile.
This, rather than the traditional way of polling a source ever x amount of minutes ensures that connection is only made when need to thus saving battery.
Other advantages tiles have over competitors is the fact that all tiles are uniform, in the same format and style meaning nothing looks out of place on the homescreen.
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just something else i thought about.
Many saying that MS wanted to develop something different.
How does putting the lock and unlock button up top JUST LIKE IPHONE has had for a while now, make this phone diff?
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Seriously, what are you on about? If you are referring to the physical unlock button on the device then this quite clearly has nothing to do with phone manufacturers and not Microsoft. Also, on/off buttons have been at the top of most devices since God knows when.
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It isn't, it's just a different approach. All OS's have copied from each other in some way or another. Whilst the same, the Microsoft way does have some advantages which I've highlighted in my post above.
My friend just ditched sprint and the evo for the hd7. I think ms did a great job with this os. Yes we are currently missing a few features but I think ms is trying to market to the noobs in the smart phone community. Making this a easy phone to use. Slowly within time they will make this os more customizable. I hear there already meeting with the guy who's been working on jailbreaking the os to make his apps official through market place. You guys have to remember that 90% of smartphone buyers don't even know the true features of a smartphone. Why do you think apples sells so much
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My friend just ditched sprint and the evo for the hd7. I think ms did a great job with this os. Yes we are currently missing a few features but I think ms is trying to market to the noobs in the smart phone community. Making this a easy phone to use. Slowly within time they will make this os more customizable. I hear there already meeting with the guy who's been working on jailbreaking the os to make his apps official through market place. You guys have to remember that 90% of smartphone buyers don't even know the true features of a smartphone. Why do you think apples sells so much
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I'm one of them, I ditched my evo for the HD7, so far so good, the interface is a refresh and looks "new" compare to the rest.
I have use all major platforms and they all have something over the others, to be the more the merrier
Sam
And as I see nothing changed in this update, no clue what is in it, but every thing looks the same, same crap i mean. Back to HD2 till HTC comes out with a better interface.
Good luck to the rest.
rysky007 said:
And as I see nothing changed in this update, no clue what is in it, but every thing looks the same, same crap i mean. Back to HD2 till HTC comes out with a better interface.
Good luck to the rest.
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Umm, HTC does not have any say in creating the WP7 interface. If you didn't like the interface, then why buy the phone? Plenty of us on this forum love the metro ui.
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And as I see nothing changed in this update, no clue what is in it, but every thing looks the same, same crap i mean. Back to HD2 till HTC comes out with a better interface.
Good luck to the rest.
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Cause you can only play and see what a phone has so much in the store, it takes time to really tell if you like a phone or not.
After using HTC sense on the HD2, I assumed that HTC would have a similar interface on this good hardware.
Dont get me wrong, the hard ware is nice, the typing is much better then HD2, but the OS by its self is terrible, just like HD2 original OS, but HTC sense on top of that interface makes it better.
But the OS by its self now, even compared to the HD2, is missing a lot of must have things, settings and features which every phone in today's market, hell any phone in the past ten years market should have.
I kept hearing about amazing updates, but each one is disappointing.
rysky007 said:
Cause you can only play and see what a phone has so much in the store, it takes time to really tell if you like a phone or not.
After using HTC sense on the HD2, I assumed that HTC would have a similar interface on this good hardware.
Dont get me wrong, the hard ware is nice, the typing is much better then HD2, but the OS by its self is terrible, just like HD2 original OS, but HTC sense on top of that interface makes it better.
But the OS by its self now, even compared to the HD2, is missing a lot of must have things, settings and features which every phone in today's market, hell any phone in the past ten years market should have.
I kept hearing about amazing updates, but each one is disappointing.
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Maybe do some research? If you even bothered to google what WP7 is, you would realize that manufacturers have no say it the software and that it still a new OS.
Don't blame HTC or Microsoft, blame yourself for not taking 5 minutes to research anything about WP7.
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Maybe do some research? If you even bothered to google what WP7 is, you would realize that manufacturers have no say it the software and that it still a new OS.
Don't blame HTC or Microsoft, blame yourself for not taking 5 minutes to research anything about WP7.
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You guys crack me up, I did research it, but you really dont get a feel for an OS till you use it, you can watch all the videos you want, until you get it and use it and set it up for what you need and use, you dont get a feel for it.
The tiles I have no problem with, its what you cannot do with the tiles and other settings that bothers me, things not discussed by any one until the phone came out and used by many, I have been following this forum since the day the phone launched, and it slowly turned from "omg we love it " to "wtf is this? problem problem problem.
1. Tethering, yeah I know all the lovers will say "its the cell providers who are against it" wrong, if they were HD2 would not have the feature via third party app, LG has it in all of its new phones, Nokia has had it in every phone it has put out for the past 4 years. The cell providers would prefer you have it since it will increase your data usage, especially ones who dont offer unlimited data plans.
2. Select all - Enough said there, hell windows 3.1 had select all, 2010 OS does not? the predecessor did , why does this one not? Why do you need this feature one would ask? well for the rest of us who use the phone for what it can do and not just spend hours checking on our friends via facebook, when u use email heavily as I do and sms, select all is a beautiful and necessary feature. Again, its a feature that every phone out should have hands down, no questions.
3. Custom Profiles - why? again, old invention that is very very very handy. just make sense.
4. Program view - I thought something was off when i saw how it lists all the programs you have installed, until I disabled HTC sense on HD2 and saw that the original WM6.5 does the same idiotic crap.
I believe in the BC era man figured out that you can display data, much more efficiently when you use columns and rows. Then why the hell does a OS released in 2010 list all of it in one long ass list? Oh yeah thats right, its brand new, give it 5 years to develop, no, not a good answer, again a feature that every phone today should have.
5. Tile Colors - yes i know some one made a program that lets you change them, but do we really have to do all that to have a feature that lets us choose colors we want? hell look at the pre set colors we have, its what my 12 year old niece likes. I was using the phone with the default blue in a public place a girl saw the colors and looked at me like i swing the other way.
6. Now lets get into more advance things -
A. To make a call, you first have to go to home page then hit the
phone area of the tiles then type in a number, man if you in life and
death situation, your done. There should ways be a button to
access the one main feature ( make calls) from any were.
A.1 - Most of us hold the phone toward the bottom, but the
answer and hang up button is toward the top of the
screen? last I checked, over long thumbs are not invented
yet.
B. When viewing your contacts, no alphabet slider on the side, hell my
6 year old nokia had that feature, again predecessor HD2 (thanks to
HTC sense) had it, this one, first you have to scroll to nearest letter
then push it, then select another letter you want to jump to. Why
the extra steps?
C. Email - if face book and gmail is all you got, great, what about
business ppl who have several email addresses? In order for me to
track my 4 addresses, I have 4 tiles dedicated on my home screen.
combine that with contacts and phone, and my screen is full, I
have to scroll more on my home page to find the tile i need then
any were else on phone. ( HD 2, had displayed 14 things for you
on home page) this phone max 6 and you have to scroll. So say
I am looking at one email address and need to switch to anther,
on HD2 simple they were all available right there on the preview
page. On HD7, back to home page we go.
Is that what they call efficiency these days? they keep touting this phone to be easy to use, get what you need faster and move on in their nifty commercials.
I counted, it takes more pushes and steps to achieve what you need on HD7 then HD2.
So yes it has the amazing live tiles, but are they really? when I have emails my HD2 tells me that I have email on home page, SMS? same thing, missed call? same thing, reminder? same thing, so what is the advantage to the live tile?
besides their lack of color options and re size ability? Thats right, when your bff takes a dump and updates his facebook profile that he is amazed at the shape it came out in, you will be the first to know.
If some one would of wrote this kind of a review, clearly stating the pros and cons, I would of never touched this OS, but they didn't, you know why the didnt? cause Microsoft paid very well to make sure the reviews and info was positive, they got a xmas phone to sell. And that they did. (those of you who will say that is crap, Microsoft would not do that, trust me they do, im in a very similar industry)
But i know, you guys are going to flame me, call me a idiot, a hater, and that its a new OS bla bla, the Iphone was bad to when it first came out.
yeah that was 5 years ago, you dont start over, you take it up a notch, and that is not what Microsoft did. Why you guys think they are partnering up with Nokia? cause WM7 flopped.
Let the flaming begin
rysky007 said:
yeah that was 5 years ago, you dont start over, you take it up a notch, and that is not what Microsoft did. Why you guys think they are partnering up with Nokia? cause WM7 flopped.
Let the flaming begin
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Didnt care too much to read your long response, because as the other said, research would have stopped you from buying this phone. If you knew what the OS was about, you would have stuck with the HD2.
Anyway, isn't it Nokia who are flopping with Symbian and wanting WP7 to up their phone sales?
I agree to the most of the missing features in WP7 he wrote about.
The wm users are spoiled, they could give their smartphone an individual style and they could customize their apps and design. WP7 is boring in this way. But i flashed my HD2 back to wm 6.5.x, and after one day i felt, that i went back to yesterday. The control of WP7 is modern and in many ways more efficient.
After this desicion i bought a native WP7-Phone, the HD7, and hope for future ways to individualize it. At 1st the start screen... i hope for a chance, to make it more elegant and have a wallpaper background. Then i hope for smart dialing (native, not with a program) and for an email hub with all my accounts. Also i hope, i can create indidual hubs for system, internet, comm apps and so on, so that the start menu is not five miles long and more properly. I hope, to have a chance for a music player, which can open and play my folders...like mortplayer before, and a video player with mpeg and avi support. Also a way, to get advanced memory by using sd cards.
The best way for MS would be, to give back the features of wm 6.5 in a new and modern smartphone with more abilities. Because they made smartphones long, before Aplle and Google woke up. They used the experience of microsoft and give these phones a modern staff and electronic. Why didn´t use MS it´s own experiences and why must they go a seperate way with an unready OS?
So we have to wait, for MS, Chevron and many other creators. Maybe in two years we look much more lucky...or WP is at it´s end.
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You guys crack me up, I did research it, but you really dont get a feel for an OS till you use it, you can watch all the videos you want, until you get it and use it and set it up for what you need and use, you dont get a feel for it.
The tiles I have no problem with, its what you cannot do with the tiles and other settings that bothers me, things not discussed by any one until the phone came out and used by many, I have been following this forum since the day the phone launched, and it slowly turned from "omg we love it " to "wtf is this? problem problem problem.
1. Tethering, yeah I know all the lovers will say "its the cell providers who are against it" wrong, if they were HD2 would not have the feature via third party app, LG has it in all of its new phones, Nokia has had it in every phone it has put out for the past 4 years. The cell providers would prefer you have it since it will increase your data usage, especially ones who dont offer unlimited data plans.
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Tethering on the HD7 is indeed restricted by T-Mobile. Other WP7 handsets on other carriers can tether.
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2. Select all - Enough said there, hell windows 3.1 had select all, 2010 OS does not? the predecessor did , why does this one not? Why do you need this feature one would ask? well for the rest of us who use the phone for what it can do and not just spend hours checking on our friends via facebook, when u use email heavily as I do and sms, select all is a beautiful and necessary feature. Again, its a feature that every phone out should have hands down, no questions.
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While not a real ctrl+a or select all, the latest update allows you to select as much text as you want by tapping a word, and adjusting the slider. Effective for massive amounts of text? No, but how often do you need to select massive amounts of text on a phone? This method, in my opinion, works fine for a paragraph or two.
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3. Custom Profiles - why? again, old invention that is very very very handy. just make sense.
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Not to me it doesn't
rysky007 said:
4. Program view - I thought something was off when i saw how it lists all the programs you have installed, until I disabled HTC sense on HD2 and saw that the original WM6.5 does the same idiotic crap.
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Expect in WP7 the program screen flies in either direction, getting you to what you want fast. Mango will also add the ability to jump to a given letter, like contacts.
rysky007 said:
6. Now lets get into more advance things -
A. To make a call, you first have to go to home page then hit the
phone area of the tiles then type in a number, man if you in life and
death situation, your done. There should ways be a button to
access the one main feature ( make calls) from any were.
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Two taps versus one tap is that much of a deal-breaker to you?
rysky007 said:
A.1 - Most of us hold the phone toward the bottom, but the
answer and hang up button is toward the top of the
screen? last I checked, over long thumbs are not invented
yet.
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As a right-handed person, I hold the phone in my left hand. My thumb easily taps the end call button, and I did not star in Even Cowgirls Sing the Blues.
rysky007 said:
B. When viewing your contacts, no alphabet slider on the side, hell my
6 year old nokia had that feature, again predecessor HD2 (thanks to
HTC sense) had it, this one, first you have to scroll to nearest letter
then push it, then select another letter you want to jump to. Why
the extra steps?
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Go into contacts, tap the letter A. SIMPLE.
rysky007 said:
C. Email - if face book and gmail is all you got, great, what about
business ppl who have several email addresses? In order for me to
track my 4 addresses, I have 4 tiles dedicated on my home screen.
combine that with contacts and phone, and my screen is full, I
have to scroll more on my home page to find the tile i need then
any were else on phone. ( HD 2, had displayed 14 things for you
on home page) this phone max 6 and you have to scroll. So say
I am looking at one email address and need to switch to anther,
on HD2 simple they were all available right there on the preview
page. On HD7, back to home page we go.
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Because tapping the Home capacitive button and then a different tile is THAT big of a pain?
rysky007 said:
Is that what they call efficiency these days? they keep touting this phone to be easy to use, get what you need faster and move on in their nifty commercials.
I counted, it takes more pushes and steps to achieve what you need on HD7 then HD2.
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I can say with all honesty, that the 20 people I migrated from HD2's to HD7's couldn't be happier. Literally. My mobile support calls dropped to ZERO. No
rysky007 said:
when I have emails my HD2 tells me that I have email on home page, SMS? same thing, missed call? same thing, reminder? same thing, so what is the advantage to the live tile?
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It also tells you all of this on the lockscreen. Tap your power button, glance at the screen, turn it back off. Also, all these things you mention are on your home page, just like your HD2. Not sure what the issue here is.
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If some one would of wrote this kind of a review, clearly stating the pros and cons, I would of never touched this OS, but they didn't, you know why the didnt? cause Microsoft paid very well to make sure the reviews and info was positive, they got a xmas phone to sell. And that they did. (those of you who will say that is crap, Microsoft would not do that, trust me they do, im in a very similar industry)
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You should read Engadget.
If you don't like it, that's fine. However, just about everything you mention here is personal preference, not missing or lacking features.
And here are the changes the updates bring, for the curious...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/update-history.aspx
HTC sense slows down the device.... i never liked it i was using it on my TP2 and i gave it up as it craped up my TP2, used the energy titanium roms only...
i want to see what you will complain about afte MANGO is out....
some things will not be there on WP7 and the rest of them and more will follow with MANGO update...
Nokia will show there first WP7 device soon.
HTC sense will never be on WP7 devices...
Although I agree to lot of stuff being discussed here (good or bad) Mobiles now a days a more of a personal choice
I went and got the HD7 just to feel how WP7 was as I had never used a WM before having come from nokia symbian and android, I found it interestingly different.
for me the email is the best part of the OS and browsing is a joy on the HD7, but I am definitely looking forward to a NOKIA WP7 as I am sure two heads will be better than one
Hello every one,
I just acquired a Nokia 920 yesterday. So far the handset is about the finest thing I have ever held, It just begs to be used when its in your hand. All is not perfect though, I have some questions. Any recommendations for solutions are greatly appreciated.
I started using PDA's in the early 90's, my first smart phone was a Blackberry, I switch to Android when they dropped the ball. I am of the opinion that the win8 ecosystem is the future for enterprise and productivity. Basically I expect a lot from a smart phone, I expect it to be a top notch PDA, a phone, and a good device for killing time.
1) How do you turn off the haptic feedback on the three hard buttons? I can't overstate how much I hate haptic feedback, this has me on the edge of returning the phone. I want to throw the phone across the room every time I feel it.
2) How do I turn off the touch points on the keyboard? I find having a little flag pop up with the letter I just pressed is annoying. Better yet, where can I get a decent keyboard? The installed keyboard is as bad as the iPhone one - crap. I can span 13 keys on a piano, I want my keyboard to span the screen, I want it to have alternate symbols accessible by long pressing, and it would be cool if it was skinnable, though the built in skin is nice for me. I tried the market place and all I could find was foreign alphabet keyboards.
3) Color coded emails. I did figure out how to merge both my calendars and my email accounts to a single tile. It would be nice to have some kind of color coding for the inbox so I don't have to open the email to see what account it is from.
4) recommend a good calendar. The default one only shows events for the same day. It would be nice to have the live tile show upcoming events in the future. The app must be able to let me make appointments as well. Did not find anything nice in the store.
5) A decent music player. As near as I can tell, Nokia music is just MS music re-skinned. When I hit the music tile, I want to see what I am currently listening too with buttons to skip/pause/etc. and a link to my library to change artists. Nokia Music is pure bloat, I have to navigate past market place stuff, then navigate around to find a pause button. Pretty much sucks to use. The mixer is buried inside the setting menu, so when I change music styles, I have to navigate down through the settings to change the mixer, then navigate back around to the music player. This whole set-up is about as crappy as anything I have ever seen. To make matters worse, the mixer is not pin able. I would love to have something comparable to PowerAmp.
Thanks in advance. I've used XDA for years, and always found my answers buried somewhere in these forums.
P.S. anyone who can get the sexy Samsung voice ported over to Nokia Drive deserves a special prize
joshua43214 said:
Hello every one,
1) How do you turn off the haptic feedback on the three hard buttons? I can't overstate how much I hate haptic feedback, this has me on the edge of returning the phone. I want to throw the phone across the room every time I feel it.
2) How do I turn off the touch points on the keyboard? I find having a little flag pop up with the letter I just pressed is annoying. Better yet, where can I get a decent keyboard? The installed keyboard is as bad as the iPhone one - crap. I can span 13 keys on a piano, I want my keyboard to span the screen, I want it to have alternate symbols accessible by long pressing, and it would be cool if it was skinnable, though the built in skin is nice for me. I tried the market place and all I could find was foreign alphabet keyboards.
3) Color coded emails. I did figure out how to merge both my calendars and my email accounts to a single tile. It would be nice to have some kind of color coding for the inbox so I don't have to open the email to see what account it is from.
4) recommend a good calendar. The default one only shows events for the same day. It would be nice to have the live tile show upcoming events in the future. The app must be able to let me make appointments as well. Did not find anything nice in the store.
5) A decent music player. As near as I can tell, Nokia music is just MS music re-skinned. When I hit the music tile, I want to see what I am currently listening too with buttons to skip/pause/etc. and a link to my library to change artists. Nokia Music is pure bloat, I have to navigate past market place stuff, then navigate around to find a pause button. Pretty much sucks to use. The mixer is buried inside the setting menu, so when I change music styles, I have to navigate down through the settings to change the mixer, then navigate back around to the music player. This whole set-up is about as crappy as anything I have ever seen. To make matters worse, the mixer is not pin able. I would love to have something comparable to PowerAmp.
Thanks in advance. I've used XDA for years, and always found my answers buried somewhere in these forums.
P.S. anyone who can get the sexy Samsung voice ported over to Nokia Drive deserves a special prize
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1) I have not yet seen a Nokia 920 yet, but in Samsung Omnia W/Samsung Flash, you can go to Settings->Extra Settings and remove it from there, check if you have a similar setting, you can request Nokia to add such a setting as its possible in Samsung and should be possible in Nokia too. If they get similar requests they may add it soon
2) AFAIK you cannot install another keyboard, but long pressing many keys you can have alternate symbols coming up. Did you try long pressing some keys? You can change the language of they keyboards via settings.
3) Dont merge the emails and have 2 separate very small tiles instead. Should solve your problem.
4) & 5) not sure yet. But since the SDK is updated with calender access soon you should get many apps with calender.
my question
does the lumia 920 or any win phone 8 device have FM radio??? if it doesnt, is it supported in win phone 8??
monotheist said:
1) I have not yet seen a Nokia 920 yet, but in Samsung Omnia W/Samsung Flash, you can go to Settings->Extra Settings and remove it from there, check if you have a similar setting, you can request Nokia to add such a setting as its possible in Samsung and should be possible in Nokia too. If they get similar requests they may add it soon
2) AFAIK you cannot install another keyboard, but long pressing many keys you can have alternate symbols coming up. Did you try long pressing some keys? You can change the language of they keyboards via settings.
3) Dont merge the emails and have 2 separate very small tiles instead. Should solve your problem.
4) & 5) not sure yet. But since the SDK is updated with calender access soon you should get many apps with calender.
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Thanks for the reply
Only thing in the Nokia extra settings is phone info, no actual settings at all.
Long pressing gives some alternate letter forms like hats, or umlauts. It does not work on all the letters, and you don't know what the long press gives you until you try it. Stuff like beta is on the lower case s, not the upper case. Like I said its a crap keyboard
I actually use 5 email accounts, though only 3 feed my calendar. Thanks for the suggestion though.
All devices support it as far as I know, but the software didn't made it to RTM. It will be in a upcoming update.
It's widely heralded as one of the best and most responsive keyboards ever...
- There is no built-in option to turn off haptic feedback on those keys. Manufacturer needs to develop an app (with interop level or higher access) to disable it, Microsoft needs to update the OS to add such an option, or someone has to hack the thing to turn it off. Considering that the first two probably won't happen in a timely fashion, and that WP8 has yet to be "hacked", don't expect this to change anytime soon.
- Keyboard cannot be changed. As someone mentioned, its actually heralded as one of the best keyboards on the market, and I agree. Once you get used to it, its a joy to use and is tons better than anything on Android, and as good as, if not better than the iOS keyboard. Seeing as how you said this is your first time in Windows Phone land, it may take some time for you to adjust to it, but it really is a wonderful keyboard. I do understand that it isn't for everyone, and unfortunately there is no way to change it if you happen to hate it. You also cannot disable the letter flags that appear on the screen when you tap on the keyboard.
- No color-coding for a combined inbox... yet. Not sure if this is something they are considering, and I don't think I've ever read someone suggesting it, but it makes sense, and I'd love to see this happen.
- Considering developers only really just got Calendar access with the WP8 SDK, I doubt there will be anything useful in the Store just yet. This a brand new platform that just launched, so its gonna take some time for people to figure out what they can or cannot do, and then put it on the Store for us to use.
- Xbox Music or Nokia Music will be as decent as it gets currently. Apps are able to pull from your media collection (like Nokia Music does), but I have not seen anything mind-blowing yet. I'm more than happy with Xbox Music, as it fulfills all my needs. I don't watch videos aside from stuff on YouTube though, so while I don't care for video codec support, I can understand not having total codec flexibility like you can on more open platforms or on apps like VLC.
It really sounds like that you, coming from Android, are expecting a lot more than Windows Phone 7/8 was designed to do. Windows Phone 8 can do a lot, but this OS was built from the ground up to be rather different than your typical PDA operating system. You will not get the same kind of flexibility on Windows Phone 8 that you would with Android.
For comparison:
- Windows Phone 7/8 is more like iOS. Relatively stable/reliable, curated store, locked down, relatively consistent.
- Android is more like old Windows Mobile. Infinitely more customizable and flexible, open market, relatively nonrestrictive, not very consistent, not completely reliable/stable.