Hey guys, I just found the weirdest thing.
You know HTCs piss poor touchscreen performance. (Ie using the touchscreen pegs the CPU at 100%).
From my experience so far this is true in all applications. Full screen,
windowed, Software, D3DM OpenGL, GAPI, GDI. In all areas this bug IS present.
But then I installed Astrawares Broken Sword today and while playing it I found that there's no trace whatsoever of the touchscreen bug in this game.
I'm not sure what APIs they use etc. but I figure it must have something to do with it.
Not really sure what to do with this info just thought I'd put it out there.
(BTW Broken Sword is a great game, if you haven't already you should try it right now! )
when it's running, have you tried seeing how other things operate?
hmm, i use the touchscreen to scroll in opera mini and it's as fast as could be.
we should look more into this, later i may install broken sword and see..
is it a game that you touch to make your character move or constantly hold down the stylus to play?
I've been obsessing over the N1 since launch. Android is super neat, and unlocked phones rock. The only thing that really held me back from the purchase was the multitouch issue. I could easily see having to reset my screen with a lock cycle would drive me crazy. That said, I love the idea of the N1, and wish to escape my iPhone prison.
I recently purchased a Galaxy S phone, but am annoyed by the lack of support (saw this coming) and non-functioning locational services. The GPS and Compass are totally and utterly busted. Sadly, Google stopped selling the N1 on the day I decided to order one. However, I have been given a second chance, by purchasing the dev phone (which I am now considering).
So, let's make this like ripping off a bandage. Have mercy, internet. I have questions that require honest answers. I'm sorry if you've heard it all before, but this kind of information is annoyingly hard to dig up. Lightning Round, Go!:
Is the multitouch problem with the N1 (inverse axis swapping when two points cross) still present with 2.2?
Do any custom ROMs, apps or tweaks solve this issue? I read that the Moto Droid had a software setting ticked that allows proper multitouch (a sort of software hack), that google had not opted to enable by default? Sounds a bit silly to me, but what's the deal?
Does your screen still lose track of your fingers (inputing the wrong characters on the keyboard), causing you to lock cycle your screen to reset the digitizer?
Are the touch-buttons difficult to use?
A fellow N1 owner I met told me that his phone showed no signs of the multitouch 'bug', when using 'Multitouch Vis Test'. He said he was running the Modaco ROM. Is it true that something in this ROM fixes the multitouch problem?
Thank you, Princes of Internet.
Personally i dont experience any multitouch issues on my n1. Im running stock froyo 2.2. I have only had to re-lock my screen once and it never happened again. The capicative buttons below the screen take a bit of time to get used to at first it might take you a couple of tries to register a click but a few hours of use you get the hang of it.
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Thanks for the reply.
Would you mind taking the 'Multitouch Vis Test' app for a spin, to see if the problem is gone, or if you just don't notice it?
If the issue is gone, would you mind making a youtube vid of it?
The multitouch on the n1 will not be "fixed" unless google/htc decided to use different hardware. If you can live with a device that can only do pinch to zoom, but not true multitouch, then the n1 is fine.
Honestly at this point, I'd hold off until you see the rest of HTC's lineup that's coming up before december.
Jon C said:
Is the multitouch problem with the N1 (inverse axis swapping when two points cross) still present with 2.2?
Do any custom ROMs, apps or tweaks solve this issue? I read that the Moto Droid had a software setting ticked that allows proper multitouch (a sort of software hack), that google had not opted to enable by default? Sounds a bit silly to me, but what's the deal?
Does your screen still lose track of your fingers (inputing the wrong characters on the keyboard), causing you to lock cycle your screen to reset the digitizer?
Are the touch-buttons difficult to use?
A fellow N1 owner I met told me that his phone showed no signs of the multitouch 'bug', when using 'Multitouch Vis Test'. He said he was running the Modaco ROM. Is it true that something in this ROM fixes the multitouch problem?
Thank you, Princes of Internet.
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1) It was possibly noticable in 2.1, in 2.2 in months now I havn't see it once. You can see with the visualiser you really have to know how to force it to get it to go, its just not something which will occur with correct commands you'll be doing.
2) Its down to the hardware, I'm not aware of any custom ROMs which have anything/anything significant.
3) The only time I EVER get this is with beta super bundles of ROMs, which is either the fault of the ROM, something going skitz in dalvic, how I installed it, or just a self generating bug. All of which are easily fixable. However if you were to stay with stock or more tested ROMs, you'd literally never see this.
4) For me they just work, at the start yes they wouldnt act the same a touch screen, but now they'll act like I want maybe 99% of the time. Sure friends using it to start with have to get used to it, but its not 'broken' if you will. The only thing I will mention is if your using it in weird orientations, there is a chance of hitting the buttons [mainly search] without meaning to with parts of your hand.
5) Again, this problem ONLY shows up if you know how to 'break' it. With 2.2+ its really hard to do it if you handed the phone to someone who's never used it before, because also again you wont be doing any commands which would conflict with the limitations, so you have to be misusing it in the first place to get the bug.
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Honestly at this point, I'd hold off until you see the rest of HTC's lineup that's coming up before december.
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Agree with this.
Multitouch is completely crap on the n1. I loved it otherwise, yes every now and again it goes wack and registers the wrong thing... the capacitive buttons also suck and are hard to get used to... on Multitouch test its wacky and registers the wrong finger and won't register more than 2...
Great device, but galaxy is better.. I don't have any gps issues so can't complain about that.
No. No roms will fix the Multitouch issue. Nor make it any better.. if your into gaming with controls on the same axis forget about it, if ya want Multitouch keyboard forget about it...
I still have yet to ever experience the actual axis switch issue using this phone in real world. Sure the issue exists, but it just doesn't effect a single thing unless you use a certain game. But even that works fine, watch YouTube videos showing emulators on the nexus.
The point is, if you're looking for a reason to not get the nexus, The axis switch issue is not the reason that should sway your decision.
I recently came from an iPhone and I haven't noticed any difference in the multi-touch screen (except maybe in the typing on occasion, which I just attributed to my big fingers). I'd say for a good 95%+ of what you would do on the phone you can't tell any difference between the iPhone or N1 multitouch.
With the touch buttons on the bottom of the screen... Sometimes I hit one while typing, which takes me back to the home screen, but since the N1 has true multitasking all I have to do is reopen the app. A minor inconvenience. Or I could just type in landscape mode and not have any trouble at all.
RogerPodacter said:
I still have yet to ever experience the actual axis switch issue using this phone in real world. Sure the issue exists, but it just doesn't effect a single thing unless you use a certain game. But even that works fine, watch YouTube videos showing emulators on the nexus.
The point is, if you're looking for a reason to not get the nexus, The axis switch issue is not the reason that should sway your decision.
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Games like toonWarz or nova will mess up. Has the controls on bottom right and shooting on bottom right. So when your running using the left controls and shoot real quick with the right, it'll now wig out and keep shooting even when you let go and the dude will walk a different way be cause now the sensor thinks your touching in a different spot..
Now you can let go of the left finger then shoot but when ya need precision in some shooting games you will be dead if you do that....
Pinch to zoom is fine and emulators with controls on the top and bottom vs just the bottom ( same axis), but for games like nova, heavy gunner, modern combat, ps1 emulator (unless it has opposite axis controls) which mine don't, took Warz, etc. It will not work properly ....
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Games like toonWarz or nova will mess up. Has the controls on bottom right and shooting on bottom right. So when your running using the left controls and shoot real quick with the right, it'll now wig out and keep shooting even when you let go and the dude will walk a different way be cause now the sensor thinks your touching in a different spot..
Now you can let go of the left finger then shoot but when ya need precision in some shooting games you will be dead if you do that....
Pinch to zoom is fine and emulators with controls on the top and bottom vs just the bottom ( same axis), but for games like nova, heavy gunner, modern combat, ps1 emulator (unless it has opposite axis controls) which mine don't, took Warz, etc. It will not work properly ....
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this is a good explanation of what is effected. if you're a big gamer then consider it, but things like pinch to zoom in the browser, maps, pics, works just as great as ever.
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Coming from the Galaxy S, I imagine I will miss a few things. One of them being: media playback and overall storage.
I guess with the N1, I'd need to find a non-bootlegged 32GB microSD card. But my other question would be: is there an easy way to play all of the content that the Galaxy S can handle, or is the GPU in the Samsung phone so much better that the N1 can't keep up?
I really like that about the SGS: I just drop movies (mp4, xvid, divx and so forth) onto the internal ROM and they play without issue. Media capabilities are very nice.
Does the N1 play lots of videos like this out of the box? If not, is there a decent media application?
Also, about HTC's other devices: I'd love to wait, but I'm worried that the newer phones won't have nice accessories. The N1 has that awesome car dock, that I would use all of the time. The SGS doesn't have any accessories like that, and it makes me sad. Most of HTC's N1 follow-up lacked similar docks and cradles.
If I return this SGS (likely), I will probably be jumping to the N1, just for that 'official' feel of it (very sturdy, solid first-party accessories).
You have no idea how sad I was, when Google announced they were giving up on creating their own phones. Hate them all you want: but Apple really has that system (solid build, quality integration / lack of fragmentation) nailed. I was really hoping that Google could bring that unification to Android with their own branded devices.
Loving Android, though. Never going back to iOS.
Anyone saying the n1 doesn't suffer from multitouch issues is sadly mistaken. The one thing that bugs me about the n1 is the touch screen issue. You won't be able to play games like nova, or certain games on emulators (when using dpad plus buttons that are at the same level it has issues) and it does have issues when crossing the axises.
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Anyone saying the n1 doesn't suffer from multitouch issues is sadly mistaken. The one thing that bugs me about the n1 is the touch screen issue. You won't be able to play games like nova, or certain games on emulators (when using dpad plus buttons that are at the same level it has issues) and it does have issues when crossing the axises.
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everyone said the issue exists it just doesnt show up unless you...play....games. otherwise its a non issue.
The N1's touchscreen is totaly crap. There is a thread about touchscreen issues at oficial forum. It has more than 2000 posts explaning all problems of nexus one touchscreen. Check it out.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Coming from the Galaxy S, I imagine I will miss a few things. One of them being: media playback and overall storage.
I guess with the N1, I'd need to find a non-bootlegged 32GB microSD card. But my other question would be: is there an easy way to play all of the content that the Galaxy S can handle, or is the GPU in the Samsung phone so much better that the N1 can't keep up?
I really like that about the SGS: I just drop movies (mp4, xvid, divx and so forth) onto the internal ROM and they play without issue. Media capabilities are very nice.
Does the N1 play lots of videos like this out of the box? If not, is there a decent media application?
Also, about HTC's other devices: I'd love to wait, but I'm worried that the newer phones won't have nice accessories. The N1 has that awesome car dock, that I would use all of the time. The SGS doesn't have any accessories like that, and it makes me sad. Most of HTC's N1 follow-up lacked similar docks and cradles.
If I return this SGS (likely), I will probably be jumping to the N1, just for that 'official' feel of it (very sturdy, solid first-party accessories).
You have no idea how sad I was, when Google announced they were giving up on creating their own phones. Hate them all you want: but Apple really has that system (solid build, quality integration / lack of fragmentation) nailed. I was really hoping that Google could bring that unification to Android with their own branded devices.
Loving Android, though. Never going back to iOS.
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The gpu is OK. But definitely a lot less powerful than the sgs, you will notice in movies, live wallpapers and especially games... there's a decent video player called rockplayer that plays a lot of stuff like avi and xvid , but its not ad good as the sgs player ...
Put it this way, either stay sgs and have a not so well navigation but awesome everything elsex or go nexus with good GPS but a old touch sensor that will hardly recognize both fingers on anything other than pinch to zoom.....
The only real world scenario i have encountered the axis switch is when you do a pinch on an album in the gallery to have it flick through them, it switches often when doing that.
Nexus One multi-touch sucks for games. I've tried some fancy gameloft games that req two fingers on screen, or PS & gameboy emulators that req this and it drives me insane. Can be so frustrating for gaming and is the only thing that I find a let down for this device. I wish I knew before I purchased it because the gaming although not the only thing I brought it for is something that I thought would be cool on my phone.
Simply put, don't get the N1 if mobile gaming is important to you. I'm not talking about simple single tap games, but the intricate ones (PSX Emu, EA Sports, Gamesloft, etc). If you could live without it, the touchscreen is fine for regular day to day use.
Or just root and carry your favorite bluetooth game controller. I have a mini bt keyboard that works great for emulators
Does anyone have issues with the touchscreen skipping every once in a while? Occasionally, there is an area on the lower half of the screen that seems to be insensitive, but if you start touching around it, it goes back to normal.
I've discussed this with some fellow Z1 owners and it appears to be a relatively common issue. There is some discussion that it may be due to overheating or a software issue.
Anyone else have this problem?
Had this once while my device overheated hard(~47-48°).
Not sure if I have to be concerned about that, because otherwise it works fine.
koopa101 said:
Does anyone have issues with the touchscreen skipping every once in a while? Occasionally, there is an area on the lower half of the screen that seems to be insensitive, but if you start touching around it, it goes back to normal.
I've discussed this with some fellow Z1 owners and it appears to be a relatively common issue. There is some discussion that it may be due to overheating or a software issue.
Anyone else have this problem?
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Same here
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At first I thought it was an issue with crappy screen protectors. The Z1 already has a anti-crack film on the screen so I thought that adding a poorly made screen protector would create too much distance from my touch to the sensor. However, I've tried replacing the screen protector and also asked other people with varying brands of screen protectors and it seems that the issue still persists.
The issue seems to occur most often on the password screen for me (which is particularly annoying).
I've had it too, lower half of screen does not register slides on login screen for a brief moment.. No overheat!
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No overheat here 2 but with the same issue.
Also the last days i think that all the screen sometimes is more insensitive than usual.I have to touch 2-3 times to do what i want.
I think that is a hardware issue.
Have it sometimes as well sadly! Can't figure out when exactly it's happening though..
I find it very annoying when I'm scrolling and at the bottom part of the screen, the scrolling becomes a click, which brings me to a place I did not intend to go to. Hope it's software, but can't imagine that.
Happens to me as well, regardless of device temperature. Based on the seemingly random nature of the issue, it should be a simple fix via software update. A similar bug persisted on the 2013 Nexus 7 devices when you laid them flat on a surface.
koopa101 said:
Does anyone have issues with the touchscreen skipping every once in a while? Occasionally, there is an area on the lower half of the screen that seems to be insensitive, but if you start touching around it, it goes back to normal.
I've discussed this with some fellow Z1 owners and it appears to be a relatively common issue. There is some discussion that it may be due to overheating or a software issue.
Anyone else have this problem?
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Same problem here!!!
I think is a hardware issue. When you touch the alu frame the phone works fine. If the phone is on the table or in a cover the issue are immediately there.
Sorry for my bad english. Hope you understand
I noticed some small things and thought it was me but I guess this makes sense.
Could be worse, my previous Note 3 had multitouch issues and had problems register several fingers :silly:
Considering how common the issue appears to be, I find it hard to believe that this is a hardware issue.
I also don't believe it's related to overheating since it seems to happen even when I haven't used the phone at all for a long time.
It feels like a software issue to me since the issue sends to go away if you touch another section of your screen
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Considering how common the issue appears to be, I find it hard to believe that this is a hardware issue.
I also don't believe it's related to overheating since it seems to happen even when I haven't used the phone at all for a long time.
It feels like a software issue to me since the issue sends to go away if you touch another section of your screen
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When you touch the alu frame the issue is not there. Only when you use phone without touching the frame.
Must be some kind of hardware issue...
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I am having the exact same issue. The weird thing is, is that it doesn't always fail to register my finger. I've gone a few days without it, then suddenly it's back again. Also in the Xperia Diagnostics app I could then see the phone failing to register a proper line, then 20 seconds later it's gone. Weird thing indeed.
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When you touch the alu frame the issue is not there. Only when you use phone without touching the frame.
Must be some kind of hardware issue...
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Is this the case? I don't think I've ever used my phone without touching the frame somehow.
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Does anyone have issues with the touchscreen skipping every once in a while? Occasionally, there is an area on the lower half of the screen that seems to be insensitive, but if you start touching around it, it goes back to normal.
I've discussed this with some fellow Z1 owners and it appears to be a relatively common issue. There is some discussion that it may be due to overheating or a software issue.
Anyone else have this problem?
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Yes, I have it as well.. First of all though, to reply to a lot of people on this thread, it happens regardless of "flat surface, touching the frame, overheating", or anything else. It seems to be completely random with me. Sometimes everything is perfect, then it goes nuts for no apparent reason whatsoever. I'm almost sure it's a software issue, and hope sony will address this issue soon!
it also happens sometimes to me.
the only thing that helps is to touch the ground of the ac power socket. it seems like the screen needs much more potential difference between the pointer and the screen itself and after a while of using it the pointer (you and your fingers) are more loaded.
thats my theory to it.
Jimmyness said:
Yes, I have it as well.. First of all though, to reply to a lot of people on this thread, it happens regardless of "flat surface, touching the frame, overheating", or anything else. It seems to be completely random with me. Sometimes everything is perfect, then it goes nuts for no apparent reason whatsoever. I'm almost sure it's a software issue, and hope sony will address this issue soon!
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Unfortunately, unlike the rooting camera bug, it doesn't sound like Sony has even acknowledge it at all.
Exactly this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0sqwwUoEPc
I often have to attempt inputting my password multiple times before I can finally get it right. I have since switched to PIN unlock. Really wish there was some sort of response from Sony.
I'd you're using pie then stop using it and retry the affected area. I had this issues because of the activation area causing certain keys on the keyboard to become non responsive.
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Has anyone tryed the touchfwtool?
URL itechdestiny.com/xperia-touch-screen-solution-touchfwtools-apk-download/
My phone is on the way back from repair. They only have calibrated the screen.
Just retired my 2 XL and got a like-new 4 XL. Loving it so far, except one nagging issue.
Randomly the top 30-50% of the display stops registering taps (touch). It's easy to fix by turning the display off then back on, but I'm concerned it may be a hardware issue.
Interestingly, when this happens and something that is full screen and scrollable such as a contact list or app drawer is in the foreground, I can drag from below the "no touch area" to the top of the screen, but I can't start a drag at the top. So, it can sense touch in the troubled half, it just won't register taps.
I have done tons of searches. I see lots of people saying Android 12 had touch issues out of the gate, but was supposedly fixed. I disabled the block_untrusted_touches. I have checked any app that has draw over other apps permissions. I have tried with high touch sensitivity on and off. I have paid attention to running apps when it happens. I installed a LogCat reader looking for touch related issues when the problem occurs. I tried safe mode, but due to the intermittent nature of the problem, and the fact that safe mode disables most functionality, it really wasn't a good long term test.
I have yet to pinpoint this.
Sometimes it doesn't happen for a day, other times it's multiple times per day. So trial and error takes time because just when you think you licked the problem, it rears it's ugly head again.
I'm running LineageOS 19.1 at the moment (which I had also run on my 2XL with no issues). It is rooted. No apps force closing or crashing.
Has anyone else seen this on the 4XL?
Definitely interesting, never heard of that. I had some touch issues, specially if the display gets wet where it register touch, but poorly to the point I need to restart the device and dry out the screen. Though in my case the creen is completely cracked, so I suspect that's the cause as it didn't happened before.
Though I had a similar to yours but with the battery.
The problem was that the phone would randomly shut down, and that would happen more often when it was on my pocket.
This made the phone very un stable as sometimes I would have the phone completely off and didn't even know about it.
So I decided to open it and have a look at it. It turn out that the problem was the flex cable that connected the battery with the logic board, it was just slightly tore on one side, but just a tiny I couldn't nearly see it, I had to use another phone to zoom in.
As it was torn, depending on the way the phone was changed the force the gravity made over the cable, causing that sometimes it not enough energy got the phone, causing it to shut down.
Once I replaced it, it never happened again, not a single time.
Maybe you have a similar problem, though as you are rooted and using a custom ROM, that may be the reason, my case was extremely rare.
anyway, good luck