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Ok... So has the windows update feature on some roms even work? I was just curious if anyone has ever found an update using that program.
In 3+ years of WinMo devices I only ever found one and it broke my device. It was 3 years ago and it was a Today screen update for my old Orange SPV c500, never seen one since, myself or on here.
Dave
It does connect but never found any available update in 1 year. Compared to the MS PC update, it seems completely useless!
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Ok... So has the windows update feature on some roms even work? I was just curious if anyone has ever found an update using that program.
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I work in IT and attended a microsoft mobile convention thingy in Dublin a few months back and they went in to a lot of detail on windows mobile 6.1 etc. I asked about the windows update and was told that it is just there in case someone ever finds an exploit or somthing really bad like that. The guy said it was better to have the update option built in if the should ever have to patch something. Makes sense I guess.
will windows mobile 6.5 be released officially for tytn2
what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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He didn't say it will be, he asked if it will be, as if anyone around here would know that.
sorry missread that thanks for pulling me up
doesn't matter, we'll rip it out of another device that updates first or get a good leaked version anyway. That's how it always seems to work at XDA.
and that seems a dam good way for xda to work and keep us all happy
Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
Good job, denco7, that should answer the question.
Anyway, WM 6.5 is too buggy for the moment, and I really do not like the beehive interface. We currently have PIE 6 and M2D and works fine on Kaiser.
HTC will not care to dedicate one minute to such and old device. They have released several models after Kaiser and will be announcing more models this week at MWC. They are following the old policy of "if you want a better or fixed firmware, purchase a new device".
i agree the copy of wm 6.5 is a bit buggy but when the final is released i am sure cookers will make great roms out of it
6.5 is too buggy ? Where did you get a copy to test ? The cooked roms here have a leaked kernel which they are using as the base of a cooked Kaiser rom. It makes me laugh when people get " leaked " versions or " hacked " versions and then come out with an overall asessment of the product.
Final versions of things usually have a lot of security around them, preproduction or discontinued projects do not. These are the ones that usually get " leaked. "
It would be like if Ferarri dropped a little 4cyl motor in a predroduction car just to be able to drive it in to the wind tunnel for testing, then some one leaks out " oh my, the new Ferrari's suck, they are way under powered with only 4cyl engines ....."
While we have been conditioned not to expect much from Micro$oft, I don't think the 6.5 we have is the 6.5 we are going to get as an official release.
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Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
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HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2, announced today, will be upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.5. New enhanced contact integration combined with new Internet capabilities deliver a people-centric approach to mobile communication. HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 features TouchFLO 3D, a sleek and compact design with a large 3.2-inch high-resolution wide-screen display, while HTC Touch Pro 2 introduces one of the best-ever mobile productivity experiences on a phone highlighted by HTC’s new Straight Talk technology, an integrated e-mail, voice and speakerphone experience.
maybe this thread was written before mine and I just didn't see it... oops. Ok, so htc probably won't make one for the tilt and really don't like that, but there's always really great, reliable roms on here so I'm sure it will be fine. Besides, not buying a new phone any time soon. I don't have any money and plus the stupid phone that htc made to replace the tilt (help me here guys?) took a step backwards and lost any form of tilt functionality, which if ya ask me, was a huge advantage over other devices. So yea.
I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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lol, yea. I saw that a few hours after I wrote that! lol.
WM 6.5 is not planned to be released for any currently available device.
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Microsoft Announces Windows Mobile 6.5
With an endless chain of leaks dating back several months, the suspense factor might not be there that Microsoft had been hoping for -- but for what it's worth, Windows Mobile 6.5 is now official. The latest rendition of Microsoft's mobile platform puts an emphasis on touch-friendliness with a honeycomb-style main menu that the company says is easier to finger than a traditional grid layout; a new lock screen that can be slid on different alerts to automatically call up texts, voicemails, and so on; a thoroughly-restyled cut of Internet Explorer Mobile that features a touchable zoom slider and frequently-used commands; redesigned menus that don't need a stylus to actuate; fingerable home and contacts screens, and more. It's not the thorough gutting of the platform many were hoping for, but for anyone thinking that Windows Mobile 6.1 can stand another facelift without ending up looking like Joan Rivers, 6.5's clearly your baby. Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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MS Sucks! Unfortunately!
Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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^ I agree. However this is only after maybe 2 years, maybe, and is only being done out of stubborn greed and douche baggery.
Does anyone know when will MS launch this version of OS ? Really would like to test on it or see how does it looks like..
If I understood it right, is the OS still under development. So you will probably not see much from it untill next year.. I guess
jea in half 2010 is release... win7 mobile vs iphone
it will be f**king good
Microsoft will start sending builds to OEMs to begin testing in Q1 2010. WM7 will be released in Q3 2010. I expect to see builds out sometime in Q1....however, I'm not too sure these builds will run on anything presently out besides the HTC HD2 because the CE kernel would have been recompiled for ARMv7 cores.
and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol
In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7
doesnt the 6.5.1 need to be released first?
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and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol
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Don't forget a few years ago when Ballmer laughed at the iPhone...
I'm not buying one but I would never underestimate the competition whether I was MS, Apple or whoever.
Latests news of wm7 I read is q3 2010 too bad really
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In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7
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why ? where did u get this info ?
Thought I read somewhere b4 that WM7 would require a motion sensor, which X1 doesn't have. But well, I could be wrong.
I think it will be available for xperia, saw a advertisment of the wm 7 on youtube lol guess which phone popped up? x1
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why ? where did u get this info ?
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It's a very technical requirement.
The Windows CE kernel, very integral part of Windows Mobile, is being compiled for ARMv7 for Windows Mobile 7 (thought to be based on CE6.0 or CE7.0). Currently Windows Mobile 6/6.1/6.5, the CE (CE 5.X) kernel is compiled for ARMv6 which runs on many chipsets today (Qualcomm 720X for example).
ARMv7 architectures (ie. Snapdragon, Cortex A8, NVIDIA Tegra) are backwards compatible with ARMv6 which is why the HTC Touch HD2 (Snapdragon) can run Windows Mobile 6.5. However, ARMv6 architectures (X1, TP1/2, Touch HD, etc) are not compatible with ARMv7 code (missing/different instructions).
So unless a very smart cook can somehow recompile code (need the source code) or combine different parts, there will be no WM7 for any current windows mobile device besides the HTC HD2.
x1 didn't get wm6.5 officially if it will get wm7 which will prob not be out until a year from now don't expect it to come from official sources.....
Min requirements for WM7 is 1Ghz CPU (actually because of the instruction set), but also G-sensor and compass. HD2 maybe. Xperia no way.
Well you say processors like Tegre will be able to run WM 7, but i checken and Tegra is still ARM v6...
Anybody has any real source saying Wm 7 will be only for ARMv7?
As for G-semsor multitouch and sucks, that is all softwere, you can turn this things off, so apat from procesor, nothing else matters for WM7 to run X1, onl ARM v6 code is needed, all else can be done by cooking.
brisschris said:
Hello,
I am brisschris.I am new to this site,but I’ve enjoyed posting in your forums.Microsoft confirmed that it is planning for Windows 7 to hit retail shelves and start showing up on new PCs on October 22.To reach that milestone, Microsoft plans to wrap up development of the operating system by the middle or end of next month.The tech guarantee program is not beginning immediately, but Microsoft did raise the possibility it will offer some sort of lower-cost upgrade to those who are already using Windows Vista.it is "Depending on when we do it there will be the associated accounting for it".
Thank you very much and Stay connected with me.
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Uh.... we're talking about Windows Mobile 7, not Windows 7.
Come on Guys!
Please dont speculate about things there was lightyears ahead. Wait untill the time will come. We dont have seen WinMo 6.5 official on X1 yet, therefore we think about other things, which atm is morge important.
with best reguards.
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Well lightyears ahead you say, but i am certain i will have WM 7 on Xperia in abaut 3 months XDA does miracles
Certainly the most x1 user will it and im sure that the devs find a way to port it on x1. But except a few screenshots no specification of WinMo 7 was published. Therefore hope that the x1 get an official 6.5 Update. I think, this will reveal the way to WM7.
I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582123
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575940
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I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott
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Hi Scott
Minor updates through windows update on the phone;
Re. Windows 7 nobody really knows if they will be able to upgrade to the official version. The hardware seems to be there so it depends on if HTC will release an updated Rom for it (assuming your provider has not put their own customised one on the phone in which case in which case you are reliant on them as the HTC Roms won't work.
On the other hand I am sure that after a little while you will be able to find a rom here that you can flash to if you want to and are brave enough to.
A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
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A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Yup it's the other side of the coin. They have the stability of platform implementation that WinMo lacks, but that stability leads to stagnation. Developers know 100% what the target platform will be (well maybe a little faster, an added feature here and there, but essentially a keyboardless portrait HVGA device) but it also means that the consumer will never have the option of one of the countless form factor options available on WinMo.
Stability vs. flexibility. Both have their pros and cons and you only get to pick one. Microsoft & Google have gone one way, Apple the other. It's good that we have the choice.
Indeed it is
Hello everybody,
I have been thinking about exchanging my HTC Hero for the HTC PRO 2. First off, am I crazy or do I have a sane mind? Second, if I do make the switch, do you think that Windows Mobile 7 will be able to be used with the phone? Please give me your advice of what I should do as I am confused.
Thanks,
Lance
The Touch Pro 2 won't officially support Windows Mobile 7. It does not meet the hardware requirements. That being said, some of the chefs here may try to cook a room with WinMo7 for the Touch Pro 2.
Great Googly Moobly, I'm still debating if I am going to keep this phone with WM 6.5XX being a patch fix and no future for WIn7 mobile in the works except for a ROM brew. This is depressing!
i know how its everyone knows taht windows mobile 7 is going to have major hardware requirements to it. but doesnt anyone think that that would be the problem?
if windows mobile phone REQUIRED say a 1 ghz snap dragon processor and high resolution capacitive screen,etcetcetc, doesnt that mean that everyone is going to have to buy the highend and expensive phones just to be able to use windows mobile 7? if thats the case, then the windows mobile market share wont get larger.
i hope that microsoft doesnt drop the ball on this one and makes it at least. workable on our 2009 devices, tp2, touch diamond 2. etc
Da_G said that MSM CPU's WON'T be supported! If somebody develops drivers, then fine, but I doubt it without bsp and this all stuff, it is impossible.
been asked before, same answer, please search before posting dudes
Closin thread.
Peace,
Josh