I disapprove how WWF agitators sometimes invade the personal privacy of unsuspecting passer-byes, urging them to pay from 5 to over 50 Eu a month (for an year). The skill they often employ in evoking dereliction and blameworthiness into the minds of the people they talk to, turning their indifference towards the animal kingdom into self-blame, granted that they don't receive any funds from those people, is also well known and criticized by some.
This is very evident in the case with the Green peace Organisation (tm), which I'm almost convinced, serves a darker purpose in modern society as it wrongfully and unjustly makes use of the outdated "Global Warming / Climate Change" - propaganda as its chief source of income steering public opinion through the same machinations used by other and the already mentioned green organisations whilst its confirmed contribution remains somewhat unverified,
which brings the question - could they not be 100% right ?
While I agree with your sentiments, may I present Exhibit A:
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not even close....let me explain
*a better world without pollution, animals and clean environment that isn't a health hazard to the people is one thing (here the WWF win they are doing nothing wrong)
but
*forcibly rubbing in a fabricated guilt, based on a widely accepted theory with =this may shock you= NO, significant scientific proof .
*fuelling a whole new "industry" (ecology) worth Mlrds. of $, based on those vague claims, which just launders money in the background without producing any evident result
*lying to the whole world, by falsifying data (remember wiki-leaks) .... we that's too much.
tell me than proud "Green Peace"/Green Parties' - minion:
=why didn't USA sign the Kyoto protocol? (but imposed it all over the rest of the world)
=why hasn't it got NOTABLY HOTTER (that's what they predicted for the early 2000-s)?
=why did they start calling it "Climate Change" now?
and this:
=Is there anyone that was actually credited for discovering "Global Warming", received a Noble Prise maybe, or did it just appear overnight?
-tell me what did they managed to achieve in terms of supporting the energy independence --- not much
you know how this all sounds like :
THE CHURCH OF CLIMATE CHANGE and THE DOOM PROPHECY
-we don't need another dogmatic belief, thank you very much
now lets do a quick recap of some of the astrophysical evidence against:
-the Sun dictates the climate in the whole Solar System, it displays a cyclic activity in different periods of time ranging from 100 000, 2000, 200, 22, to 11 year cycles. They are closely observed and studied by scientist. There are proven methods using polar ice drill probes , rock and soil samples and other which allow collecting of data about the Earth's climate hundreds of thousands of years ago to even millions (by interpreting galactic radiation isotopes and other methods)(basically the same technology for dating archaeological finds). The more short term climate changes (2000 years) are observed as well with even better accuracy (now having not only indirect but also direct solar data - even from ancient observations, sunspot count...and later with technology: magnetic images, temp ect.. ). The cyclic activity of the sun is evident (with cycles overlapping and interacting) and it is proven that it correlates and has the leading influence over the Earth's climate. =FACT=.
in short (notice how in mass media no one ever talks about the role of the sun) :
-climate in the different eras was very different, with temperatures in the last 1000 years being significantly colder and HOTTER (Greenland, Eric the Red Beard- ring any bells?)
-Climate in the whole Solar system is dictated by the sun if the ice caps on Earth are melting , well guess what the ice caps on Mars are melting as well....with the rather same dynamic by that, leaving place for doubt about the so called Anthropogenic Global Warming
-ozone layer holes are a scam too...in years of increased solar activity (end of the 90-s early 10-s) the ozone layer is REdistributed towards lower geographical widths exposing the Earth's north and south poles....this behaviour of ozone was found in the 1850-s [read it: ozone holes were found in the 1850-s]...(long before there were any air conditioners) , these ozone fluctuations have everything to do with how ozone is created and redistributed and the solar activity , I wont go into detail, go educate yourselves
GO ASK AN ASTROPHYSICIST OR AN ASTRONOMER IF YOU THINK THAT I SAID SOMETHING WRONG
mengo_ said:
now lets do a quick recap of some of the astrophysical evidence against:
-the Sun dictates the climate in the whole Solar System, it displays a cyclic activity in different periods of time ranging from 100 000, 2000, 200, 22, to 11 year cycles. They are closely observed and studied by scientist. There are proven methods using polar ice drill probes , rock and soil samples and other which allow collecting of data about the Earth's climate hundreds of thousands of years ago to even millions (by interpreting galactic radiation isotopes and other methods)(basically the same technology for dating archaeological finds). The more short term climate changes (2000 years) are observed as well with even better accuracy (now having not only indirect but also direct solar data - even from ancient observations, sunspot count...and later with technology: magnetic images, temp ect.. ). The cyclic activity of the sun is evident (with cycles overlapping and interacting) and it is proven that it correlates and has the leading influence over the Earth's climate. =FACT=.
in short (notice how in mass media no one ever talks about the role of the sun) :
-climate in the different eras was very different, with temperatures in the last 1000 years being significantly colder and HOTTER (Greenland, Eric the Red Beard- ring any bells?)
-Climate in the whole Solar system is dictated by the sun if the ice caps on Earth are melting , well guess what the ice caps on Mars are melting as well....with the rather same dynamic by that, leaving place for doubt about the so called Anthropogenic Global Warming
-ozone layer holes are a scam too...in years of increased solar activity (end of the 90-s early 10-s) the ozone layer is REdistributed towards lower geographical widths exposing the Earth's north and south poles....this behaviour of ozone was found in the 1850-s [read it: ozone holes were found in the 1850-s]...(long before there were any air conditioners) , these ozone fluctuations have everything to do with how ozone is created and redistributed and the solar activity , I wont go into detail, go educate yourselves
GO ASK AN ASTROPHYSICIST OR AN ASTRONOMER IF YOU THINK THAT I SAID SOMETHING WRONG
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As an astrophysicist and an astronomer, I'd like to correct you using this analogy.
Imagine you're snug in bed (the Earth), and you have central heating (the Sun) and blankets (CO2). The thermostat on the CH is wonky making the room temperature rise and drop on it's own accord (fluctuating solar activity).
Currently the CH is set to 20C, you pull a blanket on you and your temperature goes up higher than 20C, you pull another blanket on you, and it goes up even higher.
Now the CH hasn't changed, and the blankets aren't providing any extra heat, they're just trapping the heat in making you hotter than you would be without it.
The thermostat goes on the blink and sets itself to 25C, if you were just lying on the bed you'd get up to 25C, but you've got 3 blankets on you, so even though the CH is at 25C, you're hotter than that and start to feel unwell.
Then the thermostat drops itself down to 10C, the room cools as do you. Without those blankets you'd drop to 10C and feel quite cold, but because you have them your temperature is higher than it would be with just the CH, so it feels quite balmy.
Do you understand now that CO2 does affect the temperature and with it the climate?
The media and other luddites may not understand what science is telling them, and hear "CO2 is warming the plannet" when actually what is being said is "CO2 is making it hotter than it should be"
Currently the 11 year cycle is broken (which may explain the longer period that the Tories were in power followed by the longer than usual period that Labour remained in power) in that there is less activity than we would expect.
This is likely to lead to harsher winters which given the UK's inability to cope with a few feet of snow is what we scientists call a "very bad thing"
This is why it is not as hot as predicted due to the predictions using the 11 year solar cycle which you have by citing given credence to.
Using the current solar activity shows that the current global temperature is still higher than it would be at lower greenhouse gas levels (not just CO2 remember).
The US didn't sign up to the Kyoto agreement because the luddites in power at the time were funded by the fossil fuel industries, and rather than realising that a lot of money and jobs can be made by diversifying into genuine "green" technologies they went for the quick buck. I'm amazed you don't know this already. Incidently, due to the UK signing up to the Kyoto agreement, I can use much cheaper fuel without having to pay duty.
The Ozone layer was discovered in 1913, that's a good 60 years after the 1850s by the way.
The ice caps on Mars are mostly CO2, not frozen water, and they melt as Mars enters summer, just as on the Earth the ice caps melt as it enters summer, it just takes more energy to convert ice into water than it does to sublimate CO2 into gas. Come the Martian winter, the caps will be back. This happens every year.
The term climate change aids the explaination to luddites as to what actually is the effect of global warming, the sort of people who turn round and say "it's cold today therefore global warming must be a hoax"
TL;DR my friend. I said I agree with your sentiments (WWF, UN, etc. are ineffectual at best, corrupt and at worst speeding up the process), hence I stopped donating to these fine organizations.
But my original point, and the image I posted still stands. They are protecting our biodiversity, and they are protecting our environment (ever breathed clean air, really clean air outside the city?), they are creating a better future where our lives aren't dictated by the price of commodities, or by some resource that is very much limited in its nature (I'm talking about our reliance on fossil fuels).
The key here is sustainability. Hence, do we work towards a future where our needs for energy is sated by sustainable means, or do we keep burning dinosaurs and wonder where did the smog came from?
While I'm not sure about your procreation goals, I do wish to have children, and I do wish that when I hand over my world to them, I can tell them "Daddy made a difference" when it comes to giving them a better future.
Wiser men than I have said:
We borrow the world from our children
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and I believe in that. I'm a steward of the world, and I don't want to look back on my life and say I didn't do squat to make it a better place.
Now, to answer some of your queries directly:
1. Global warming is the bull$#[email protected]+ that the media spews. The correct term is Climate Change. Read up.
2. IPCC is a fraud, and so is their Chairman. I don't believe that we have enough data to conclusively say that humans are "causing a significant change in the global temperature" but I believe that humans are causing significant changes to the environment. Over-fishing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification are among the things that we are doing wrong, as well as the observable thinning of the ozone layer. While nothing can be conclusively said to be of human origin, it does seem quite a coincidence for it to happen at the exact same time as when human population growth is exponential, no?
3. USA is a major fraud. The Kyoto Protocol is not followed by the USA because their industry players said that to adhere to the protocol will cause them to lose their "global competitiveness" therefore their leaders did not sign it. Also, why compare to people who are clearly doing it wrong? Why aspire to be the worst?
4. It won't get observably hotter fast, but in the winter months, it will get observably colder, or at least more expensive when you can't pay for your heating bills. Luckily I stay in perpetual warmth, although I will miss my air-conditioner.
Overall, I'd say that your facts are weak, and based on little research, merely what you have personally observed. Without a PhD or a directly related degree, I'd say that the internet+Google+wikipedia will pwn your @$$ pretty easily. Stop using it for facebook and use it to learn for whatever sake. Also, XDA is a geek site, not Fark.com, so do expect some form of intelligence in the answers, and expect to be owned (especially on my turf) when you said something wrong, and say it stupidly (I really meant that and will gladly invite an infraction for saying it).
thanks for the replies,
it's always hard to try and fight the well established ways of thinking even , if not the hardest in the scientific world where not only all previous knowledge is (supposed) to be backed with proof; and everything you say undergoes rigorous checks.
I tried to be critical about everything I wrote, but you have right, xaccers, I see some of it is unclear, but I still stand behind everything I said even that about the thinner ozone distribution over higher geographical widths, mainly Northern Europe where the hole is even bigger due to the specific air/sea currents being discovered sometime in the 19 th century in Norway (Ok not as early as the 50-s maybe, but still) ...or was it Denmark -
--I'll have to check again , thing is I'm doing medicine now so haven't opened my astrophysics notebooks in years, and this thing about the "global warming" being a rather popular science matter wasn't that much referred to in the curriculum. It was in generally regarded as a hoax by my professor...
..got distracted there,
1913 (lets stick to what wikipedia says) - hole in the ozone -- well that's still long before the air conditioner era (not forgetting here what they told us back then how quickly they are supposed to ruin the ozone layer)
I personally know one of the students of the guy who got cited by NASA about his predictions for the 23th (and 24th ??) solar cycle and described it very thoroughly giving its correct form (another maximum peak at the end and its supposed anomalies) and his predictions came true .
ice caps on Mars - I wasn't talking about polar caps on Mars melting because of the current Mars-summer, (that's just plain stupid, of course they would melt in the summer), I was talking that if you compare the ice caps dynamics in the last 30 years (they have good series of telescopic observations for download in the Nasa websites) and you compensate for latency , amount of change and so on... well they pretty much correlate to the general solar activity and Earth's middle temperatures (probably Earth's glaciers as well) , -look for this, there are many articles in the internet
Venus has a thicker atmosphere comprised of all sorts of "green house" gases - which aren't constant like blankets at all they are in continuous dynamic (although no plants and no industry on Venus) and again are dictated by the sun - it's difficult for me to go into detail right now
-I know I'm nothing but a layman in the field but I was fortunate to have met a lot of smart people, whose point of view I'm trying to defend
Lets look at the Wiki article, and what it says about 1913, and you'll see that the Ozone layer was discovered then, not the hole.
We've been using ozone depleting chemicals in commercial and domestic refigeration since the early 20th century, while the depletion was detected in the late 70s.
So even referring to Wiki you are unfortunately reading it incorrectly.
Mars has such a low gravity that the escape velocity is low enough for vast amounts of CO2 to escape into space on the solar wind, so during the summer this is what happens. Nothing is producing more CO2 in large enough quantities to replenish that which has been lost.
This has been going on for millions of years hence why Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere.
It's also happening with gasses in our atmosphere too, but there's no need to start practicing holding your breath just yet
I'm very glad you've brought up Venus as it demonstrates my blanket analogy perfectly.
Let us look at Mercury, which is closer to the Sun and therefore one would expect to be the hottest planet in the solar system.
Except it isn't. Due to the additional blankets (CO2) on Venus, it is actually hotter than Mercury despite being a third of an AU further away from the Sun.
Also, due to the blanket effect of the CO2, Venus' temperature us rathe runiform and stable, demonstrating how CO2 traps heat, while Mercury ranges from -170C to 350C
So thank you for helping demonstrate how greenhouse gasses can raise the temperature of a planet.
In case you haven't understood, without the greenhouse gasses, being further away from the Sun, Venus would be colder than Mercury, but because it has greenhouse gasses trapping the heat it is actually hotter than it should be.
If you're wondering where the CO2 came from as there's no industry on Venus, then I'll have to explain about the super volcanoes on it's surface which make Mt Everest look like a mole hill (ok I exaggerate for dramatic effect, but not by much, they are seriously huge), and they spew out CO2.
Of course, who's to say there wasn't life on Venus once, the evidence does suggest it once had water oceans...
The CO2 produced from volcanoes on Earth is important, but cannot be blamed for the additional increase in CO2 levels we are experiencing.
There is a theory that during the Earth's history, back when the Sun was a lot less active and therefore cooler, it became nearly completely covered in ice, the so called snowball earth theory. With the temperature that low, precipitation all but stopped, so there was no "washing" of our atmosphere. This lead to a build up of CO2 spewed from volcanoes now long dormant, which raised the Earths temperature higher than it would have been before, thawing the planet and enabling life to continue.
Sakai is quite right in that if we manage to find cleaner ways of doing what we like then how is that a bad thing?
You only have to look at a city from a distance on a hot day to see the smog of pollution that us humans are producing.
We won't destroy the world, but we can quite easily make it inhospitable to humans, I'd rather we don't do that.
Without world governments taking it seriously rather than trying to make a quick buck at ultimately everyone's expense there isn't much direct effect one or two people can have, or for instance a small nation like the UK, but by making the change, following Sweden (I believe) and their plan to be oil free, can put pressure on other countries to follow suit.
As for your teacher telling you that global warming is a hoax, that shows a servere lack of professionalism. My Geography teacher couldn't seperate her own creationist beliefs when marking some of my course work (I did a 50 page essay on the geology and geography of the lands around where remains of our evolutionary ancesters had been found) and gave me 2 out of 20 as a grade. It was then that I realised what her problem was, as before I had found it stranged she denied oil was the remains of zooplankton and algae, instead stating it was "stored solar energy"
She was what we call in the industry a "very bad teacher" and looked like a Gummy bear.
I'm sorry that we have forsaken the civilised tone of the discourse but mentioning the creationists as a counterargument was hardly appropriate, it is just insulting...
who said anything that the Martian atmosphere plays a role in the matter, I was talking about ice caps melting under the pure influence of the solar activity.
(NASA doesn't cite creationists as far as I'm aware)
exactly what you are saying: constant HUGE volcanic activity - but stable temperature spectres nevertheless ? - showing how greenhouse gases are still regulated by natural phenomena
I will write you again in a couple of days about the ozone layer discovery , maybe back what i said with direct links. I'm not ready yet .
I'm not against ecology; just the opposite, if you would look through my discontent with falsifying science for political gain, you would see that I don't want to live to see the ecology movement as a whole being discredited in the near future after these theories have been cast away.
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mengo_ said:
I'm sorry that we have forsaken the civilised tone of the discourse but mentioning the creationists as a counterargument was hardly appropriate, it is just insulting...
who said anything that the Martian atmosphere plays a role in the matter, I was talking about ice caps melting under the pure influence of the solar activity.
exactly what you are saying: constant HUGE volcanic activity - but stable temperature spectres nevertheless ? - showing how greenhouse gases are still regulated by natural phenomena
I will write you again in a couple of days about the ozone layer discovery , maybe back what i said with direct links. I'm not ready yet .
I'm not against ecology; just the opposite, if you would look through my discontent with falsifying science for political gain, you would see that I don't want to live to see the ecology movement as a whole being discredited in the near future after these theories have been cast away.
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I'm sorry you weren't able to grasp the point I was making by mentioning my geography teacher.
It is wrong for a teacher, especially a science teacher, to put forward their opinion as fact, or be unable to seperate their own opinions from good science.
It doesn't matter if she believed australopithecus africanus was a chimp like creature unrelated to man, she should have put her beliefs aside and marked according to the quality of the science and research put in front of her.
Likewise your teacher should have given you the tools to understand global warming and climate change rather than opining that it is a hoax.
The Martian ice caps are the Martian atmosphere! What do you think they are made of?
It's frozen CO2 which is pretty much all that is left of the Martian atmosphere, the rest has evaporated off into space.
Mars is tectonically inert, it has very little internal heating, it's got low gravity which as I've explained is why the atmosphere is able to escape.
As I've said, during the Martian summer, the poles recieve more solar engery and the CO2 sublimates back into it's gasious form. A gas is made up of excited particles rushing around bouncing into each other, and many will have enough energy to escape Mars' gravitational hold, evaporating off into space.
You comment about volcanoes and greenhouse gasses on Venus is somewhat confusing.
Let me try to explain a few things so I can see if we understand each other.
Venus is very tectonically active (unlike Mars, and the Earth is somewhere in between), which releases lots of CO2 into it's atmosphere. It's oceans boiled away and there is no precipitation (rain) to clean the atmosphere so unlike on Earth, there is no Carbon cycle.
Consiquently the levels of CO2 built and built and built to their bone crushing levels of today.
The volcanoes are not heating Venus significantly, although it would be a bit warmer by a volcano than away from it obviously. The CO2 isn't heating Venus either. The Sun provides the heat, but this is the important bit which you appear to be having a spot of difficulty understanding, the CO2 traps the heat, meaning that Venus gets hotter than it should be, considerably hotter than it should be, hot enough to melt lead.
With every eruption of CO2 into the atmosphere, the amount at which Venus is hotter than it should be increases (in case you're thinking along the lines that Venus' temperature is constant despite all that CO2).
Now if you were to remove all the CO2 from Venus' atmosphere, it's temperature would drop to what it should be. Got it?
On the Earth, we have rain, and life, which gives us a Carbon cycle.
CO2 released into the atmosphere by animal and plant respiration (yes, plants produce CO2, isn't science amazing?), burning fossil fuels, volvanic activity etc is reabsorbed by the oceans (making them acidic) and plant photosynthesis, and the soil, and concrete, and various other processes (such as dead organic matter that's been buried).
Now if we just burnt a sustainable amount of young trees for our energy, replanting as we chop them down, then there wouldn't be much of a problem.
The CO2 that we were releasing would be the CO2 absorbed by the trees as they grew (of course they release the oxygen leaving just carbon which we then oxydise -burn- putting the oxygen back forming the CO2 produced).
The carbon cycle is pretty balanced for the levels of CO2 we're supposed to have.
Now if you go back millions of years to when that zooplankton was growing before it became crude oil, it's absorbing CO2. Then it died, became buried and turned into crude oil. Basically think of crude oil as stored CO2.
So imagine what would happen to the balanced carbon cycle if we went back millions of years, sucked up a load of CO2 and then released it today.
The cycle gets overloaded, trees may absorb more and grow bigger, but they'll die and release the CO2 back unless we bury them, and if we burn them then they release the extra CO2 even quicker. The oceans absorb more CO2, forming carbolic acid which kills coral and other primary food sources (we're seeing this already). The atmosphere traps more heat, which raises the global temperature above what it should be altering weather patterns. Precipitation increases and there are more floods destroying crops and people (look at Bangladesh), the temperature of the oceans increases killing more coral and primary food sources (many reefs have been bleached through high temperatures).
We're seeing many of these effects already, and that's with only a slight increase in temperatures above what they should be.
Hopefully the Sun's activity will remain depressed and we can play catch up for a little while before it's too late.
Phew, thank God this thread didn't descend into madness. Let's try to keep it civilized, alright?
The fact remains that I have worked and stayed in rural, semi-rural, and urban areas so I can say with certainty that on a weekday morning, the urban area has the worse smog. How observable does it have to be for us before we change our lifestyles for the better? In my country, we were encouraged to drive to boost the automotive industry. Here, our public transportation is so unreliable that I can't trust it to get me to work on time. On top of that, I have certain responsibilities that require me to drive. So I drive.
But I was really excited when they announced that an MRT system is going to be built up in my area. This will make my morning commute easier and less damaging to the environment.
When I go to a grocery store and just buy a few small items, I always tell the cashier to keep the plastic bags. I simply don't need them and consciously try to reduce my plastic footprint.
Similarly, when I buy good and equipment, I buy quality stuff that'll last longer, and I try not to buy synthetic materials.
All these add up to one thing; resources aren't infinite and we need conserve what we can.
Climate change might be controversial and polarising (believe me, I had made fun of it) but that does not mean it's not happening, and it doesn't mean that we (as humans) are completely innocent. We are, as a species, altering entire ecosystems with our action (or inaction) and we need to change that. I'm sure as a medical student, you are familiar with the adage:
First, seek to do no harm.
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And well, frankly, let's hope that in 30 years time, my kids will not look at Kung Fu Panda the same way I'd look at Kung Fu Triceratops.
I wish supermarkets over here changed to paper bags like in the US so they can be easily recycled again, although our plastic bags are now very biodegradable (as I found out when stored something in a bag for 6 months and the bag just crumbled into plastic flakes when I tried to pick it up).
I also wish it was easier to get hold of waste vegetable oil for my car, I can find no suppliers in the area I live in.
SVO is better than diesel, but not as environmentally friendly as WVO.
xaccers said:
I wish supermarkets over here changed to paper bags like in the US so they can be easily recycled again, although our plastic bags are now very biodegradable (as I found out when stored something in a bag for 6 months and the bag just crumbled into plastic flakes when I tried to pick it up).
I also wish it was easier to get hold of waste vegetable oil for my car, I can find no suppliers in the area I live in.
SVO is better than diesel, but not as environmentally friendly as WVO.
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Tesco and Jusco started using bio-degradable plastic bags about a year ago. While I hate the fact that I can't use it for long, it does help the environment.
WVO is kinda hard to refine, hence it isn't really viable.
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Tesco and Jusco started using bio-degradable plastic bags about a year ago. While I hate the fact that I can't use it for long, it does help the environment.
WVO is kinda hard to refine, hence it isn't really viable.
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I just need do heat (to remove water/acid) and filter it for my cars. I wouldn't make biodiesel, its dangerous and uses some nasty chemicals, and isn't as good for my engines.
In our city a few years back we were recycling 38% of our rubbish, which for the UK is one of the highest rates.
Hopefully it is going up, our council helps with weekly collections, free bags for recycleables, free wheelie bin for garden waste, free kitchen box for food waste, and free box for glass.
There are loads of recycling collection bins around, and most litter bins have a seperate section for recycleables.
About 80% of my household waste goes for recycling.
Any items taken to the tip that could be resold are transferred to charity shops so not only do they reduce the amount going to landfill, they are helping charities make money.
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I just need do heat (to remove water/acid) and filter it for my cars. I wouldn't make biodiesel, its dangerous and uses some nasty chemicals, and isn't as good for my engines.
In our city a few years back we were recycling 38% of our rubbish, which for the UK is one of the highest rates.
Hopefully it is going up, our council helps with weekly collections, free bags for recycleables, free wheelie bin for garden waste, free kitchen box for food waste, and free box for glass.
There are loads of recycling collection bins around, and most litter bins have a seperate section for recycleables.
About 80% of my household waste goes for recycling.
Any items taken to the tip that could be resold are transferred to charity shops so not only do they reduce the amount going to landfill, they are helping charities make money.
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From what I understand, Taipei's municipality enforces a mandatory seperation of garbage into respective recyclable bags. I'd think that it's a great initiative, but with the "clever" people in my country...
I really try to keep from creating waste and garbage. Most of my boxes from gadgets and gears are re-used or re-purposed, and I have just gave away my old phone to a youth in my church.
And of course, charities do enjoy having donations. Seems like killing two birds with one stone, doesn't it?
Indeed there really is no excuse to not seperate when the council make it so easy.
The concern over making it mandatory over here is that people would get fined because neighbours don't bother seperating and dump their mixed waste in other's bins.
We've already had some councils mis-using anti terror laws to spy on bins and fine owners because it was so full the lid wasn't able to close (the council did have its knuckles wrapped for that though).
At the moment I have my fiancee's late grandmother's clothes in the boot of my car ready to go to a charity this weekend.
It just makes sense to me to reuse (like you do with boxes) or repair items.
Yup. Reducing consumption and reducing waste is a great way to save the earth. I have a tendency to NEVER waste food, and I'm steadily trying to balance hospitality and saving from wastage
The name change to this thread IS NOT an improvement. Please refrain from name calling (even if it's a charity, company ect) I find it highly offensive. You are entitled to your opinion but, I feel the thread title takes it too far.
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In my own words i define laziness as a form of lack of dedication and progress. It is categorized as a Mental Problem which occurs to 99.99~% of humans.
Laziness is also a beginning of other negative thinking such as procrastination, spendthrift and all other forms of negative thinking. Laziness occurs at the teenage term of life. If it is cured early the human can have a very successful future.
The solution to laziness which after taking account of all possibilities I have come to a conclusion that 'fear' is the highest (dangerous/serious) level of medication to this problem.
---- In practical life what you can do is go to a military camp or a life threatening adventure. Something that forces you to work. You need to have yourself threatened till you max out on your performance. Only then can the highest level of laziness be solved. ----
E.g. Living in the extreme North/South poles where its ice everywhere -70*C. This is an extreme form of survival instinct and well it works
Sorry this might be very disturbing content to people who lead a very safe life in their gold cage.
If you watch "Batman Begins", you will probably understand what I mean and where my ideology comes from.
First of all, Thanks for posting such a nice thread. I totally agree with you, mate. It's Survival Of The Fittest.
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Sorry, but I freaking hate that term "Survival of the Fittest." It is an example of Howad Spencer's misunderstanding of natural selection and it just does not mean what most people think it does. I blame it for being directly responsible for a large portion of the world just completely not understanding evolution and then doing things like having the theory outlawed in Kansas. Being "fit" in nature does not mean strong or fast or smart or wearing a pointy cowl, it means having the most number of children. Period. The species that survive and outcompete other species are those who reproduce the most, and whose offspring go on to reproduce themselves. The phrase means that those who have six healthy kids are more fit thatn those who have one or two.
Given the amount of time we all spend tweaking, hacking, coding, searching, flashing etc. rather than spawning rugrats I doubt that most of us are going to fall in the category of "fit"
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So I'm surprised there's not been threads like this already and I know this is a site about making your phones kewl.....but this is the dreaded off-topic area.....so I'm gonna allow it. :silly:
Has this apparent global pandemic affected you directly yet? I'm guessing it has hit us all in some way or another by now?
For me, we've been touched by it already and I suspect my family will get hit harder by it eventually. Here's how/why....
- The Wife is a nurse at a hospital and will surely been facing covid 19 face to face sooner than later. And unfortunately her hospital is a bit of a mess, so I suspect it will sweep through the place fast and furious and I can't imagine she will be unscathed. So yes, my home will likely host the Corona at some point.
- I'm in construction and deal with people daily, and so I am sure to come face to face with an infected person/people before too long. Hopefully my 20 times a day hand sanitizing will mean something?
- folks in my area have lost every last marble and are hoarding everything they can...leaving people in need SOL for finding toilet paper, hand sanitizer, bread, bottled water, meat, soup, baby food and just about every other essential item. Though...i find it funny. Cause if the poop really hits the fan... I know several hoarders that I'll be relieving of their supplies all within walking distance. Lol
- My wife will likely have to nurse through the worst of times, should they come....cause that's what she signed on for. But me, I'll just be told to stay home, earning exactly zero dollars an hour and probably digging a financial hole we will find extremely hard to crawl out of.
- its March break here, so my wee ones are at home. Plus the school board here has said school will remain closed 2 more weeks after March break....so that is good. The kids get to stay home and stay away from the other little germ magnets they associate with!
Anyway....that is how this pandemic has and could hit my family. I'll just say this....before you contribute to cleaning stores out of essential items...take a second to think about others and maybe just get what you need for now and leave some for the rest of us. :good:
Edit: To the amazing super awesome moderators of this great site...if you're maybe thinking this topic isn't right for this site and about to click the delete or close button....perhaps reconsider and think that some here may wanna share feelings on this topic anonymously so to speak...and maybe share fears or hopes they have with the faceless here...rather than "real" people in their lives that don't need to hear about their insecurities? For me, I know I put on a brave face in person....but I'm scared a little too....but I want my family feeling confidence, so I don't dwell on these things I've said with them. Thanks my Mod friends!
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May Force be with you and keeps you strong to fight the Darkside of this virus!
Deaddpool said:
So I'm surprised there's not been threads like this already and I know this is a site about making your phones kewl.....but this is the dreaded off-topic area.....so I'm gonna allow it. :silly:
Has this apparent global pandemic affected you directly yet? I'm guessing it has hit us all in some way or another by now?
For me, we've been touched by it already and I suspect my family will get hit harder by it eventually. Here's how/why....
- The Wife is a nurse at a hospital and will surely been facing covid 19 face to face sooner than later. And unfortunately her hospital is a bit of a mess, so I suspect it will sweep through the place fast and furious and I can't imagine she will be unscathed. So yes, my home will likely host the Corona at some point.
- I'm in construction and deal with people daily, and so I am sure to come face to face with an infected person/people before too long. Hopefully my 20 times a day hand sanitizing will mean something?
- folks in my area have lost every last marble and are hoarding everything they can...leaving people in need SOL for finding toilet paper, hand sanitizer, bread, bottled water, meat, soup, baby food and just about every other essential item. Though...i find it funny. Cause if the poop really hits the fan... I know several hoarders that I'll be relieving of their supplies all within walking distance. Lol
- My wife will likely have to nurse through the worst of times, should they come....cause that's what she signed on for. But me, I'll just be told to stay home, earning exactly zero dollars an hour and probably digging a financial hole we will find extremely hard to crawl out of.
- its March break here, so my wee ones are at home. Plus the school board here has said school will remain closed 2 more weeks after March break....so that is good. The kids get to stay home and stay away from the other little germ magnets they associate with!
Anyway....that is how this pandemic has and could hit my family. I'll just say this....before you contribute to cleaning stores out of essential items...take a second to think about others and maybe just get what you need for now and leave some for the rest of us. :good:
Edit: To the amazing super awesome moderators of this great site...if you're maybe thinking this topic isn't right for this site and about to click the delete or close button....perhaps reconsider and think that some here may wanna share feelings on this topic anonymously so to speak...and maybe share fears or hopes they have with the faceless here...rather than "real" people in their lives that don't need to hear about their insecurities? For me, I know I put on a brave face in person....but I'm scared a little too....but I want my family feeling confidence, so I don't dwell on these things I've said with them. Thanks my Mod friends!
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Like you said it’s off topic so I’ll allow it I mean wouldn’t you have? I’d bet so.
Anyways, Mike our Virologist friend taught me a lot about viruses over the years and I would say you should definitely be worried. I am and I’m still kinda young. I would worry more about being near someone infected that’s asymptomatic or even just sick more so than touching something that has it. You’re more likely to breath it being near someone rather than touch something with a live virus and have it enter your body that way.
Not sure what’s going on up north but down here in the south states and cities are taking drastic steps in hopes to contain everything. I pray that it gets contained otherwise this is just the beginning and lots of people won’t make it world wide. Hope you are well and stay healthy also bless your wife for what she does and what’s likely coming down the road. People like her in those professions need to be praised ?
They've closed the liquor stores in my state...
This is getting serious now.
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Yes. My work place will be closed very soon, as they've announced yesterday that public life will be limited. I have other work I can do and the government will financially support affected businesses, so I'm not too worried. However, the signs for the pandemic were already there months ago and my government hasn't done anything to fight it until just recently, so I am not at all happy about how they are governing.
Yep, my plans for buying a new vehicle will probably have to be put on hold. The money that I've saved for a down payment will have to be reserved for the economic woes ahead.
Cash is king
The spread of the epidemic has crippled my plans to buy a house. I need to deposit more cash in my hand. Cash is king.
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Keep us updated will ya? Things are crazy here where I live.
I'm in the US. The only thing that concerns me is being able to find diapers and TP when I need it because of all the hoarding people are doing. Barring that, my level of concern here in the states is a solid zero.
I really love math and when you plug in the death toll vs the infection count, it's probably less dangerous than the flu. Obviously other countries will end up with different results. This is just using info for the US, so keep that in mind.
The most recent numbers I can find are,
Infections: 9,486
Deaths: 155
When you plug this into a calculator, I'll admit it looks kinda bad.
155 x 100 ÷ 9,486 = 1.63% ← This is the perceived death rate here.
And here's why it's nothing to panic over. Most people with mild symptoms, or no symptoms at all, simply won't be tested (unless they die), so the actual number of infections is definitely much higher. How high is it? We don't know exactly, but the estimates I've seen range from 200,000 to 500,000 infections . So let's use those numbers and see how bad the estimates are.
155 x 100 ÷ 200,000 = 0.07% ← This is our high end for the estimated death rate. Far lower than the flu or common cold.
And as the estimated number of infections goes up, the death rate drops accordingly. If 500,000 people are actually infected, then the death rate is way smaller.
155 x 100 ÷ 500,000 = 0.03% ← This is our low end estimate.
If you don't have a chronic health condition, or you're not over 60yrs old, then you really don't have much to worry about in my opinion. Wash your hands a bit more, avoid at risk people when going about your day if possible. Don't lose your head in the process. 99% of confirmed cases have been mild thus far. (Symptoms no worse than a cold, or allergies.)
It is interesting question now...it is a big problem
Belgium here and we're on what they call a Lockdown light. We can only go outside to:
Go to work (if it's essential. when possible to work from home, it's obligatory)
Go to the store
Get money from an ATM
Go to the doctor
Help vulnerable people
Get some exercise like running, cycling, etc. (alone, with family members or with one friend if a distance of 1.5m is respected at all times)
All shops are closed, except:
Food stores, including night shops
Shops that sell mainly animal food
Pharmacies
News paper shops
Gas stations
Hair dressers (max of 1 customer at a time)
Conditions shops need to adhere to:
Social Distancing: people need to stay 1.5m apart from each other
In supermarkets there can only be 1 customer per 10m² and they can only be present for 30 minutes
Food stores can be open from 7AM to 10PM
Night shops must close at 10PM
Misc:
All bars/restaurants/etc. are closed, take-away is still allowed unless it causes large cues
Local markets are forbidden unless they are essential for food supply
Hotels can still be open but may not provide access to a bar or any other space that brings people together
Schools are open but only for day care (focused for people working in health care), no lessons are given
...
Confirmed: 1,795
Deaths: 21
Recovered: 31
It's been pretty crazy but manageable so far. The inexplicable rush for toilet paper has been a big deal here as well. What is up with that? They can starve to death but really need to be able to wipe their tushie for the next 6 months? lol. It all feels so unreal. It's like we've entered World War 3 but we're all fighting a common but invisible enemy.
I went out on a run yesterday and there were still quite a few people out and about getting some exercise or simply some fresh air. There was a massive amount of respect, honoring the social distancing and noticed that the younger folk always went out of the way for the elderly.
My wife works for the 112 emergency central and it's been true madness up there at times. I heard of 1.000 seconds of waiting time on the 'doctors on duty' weekend lines.
@Deaddpool Give my best to your wife as I have the utmost respect for everyone working in health care these days. Now more than ever, they are the true heroes of the world! Wishing the best for you and your family.
Spaceminer said:
I'm in the US. The only thing that concerns me is being able to find diapers and TP when I need it because of all the hoarding people are doing. Barring that, my level of concern here in the states is a solid zero.
I really love math and when you plug in the death toll vs the infection count, it's probably less dangerous than the flu. Obviously other countries will end up with different results. This is just using info for the US, so keep that in mind.
The most recent numbers I can find are,
Infections: 9,486
Deaths: 155
When you plug this into a calculator, I'll admit it looks kinda bad.
155 x 100 ÷ 9,486 = 1.63% ← This is the perceived death rate here.
And here's why it's nothing to panic over. Most people with mild symptoms, or no symptoms at all, simply won't be tested (unless they die), so the actual number of infections is definitely much higher. How high is it? We don't know exactly, but the estimates I've seen range from 200,000 to 500,000 infections . So let's use those numbers and see how bad the estimates are.
155 x 100 ÷ 200,000 = 0.07% ← This is our high end for the estimated death rate. Far lower than the flu or common cold.
And as the estimated number of infections goes up, the death rate drops accordingly. If 500,000 people are actually infected, then the death rate is way smaller.
155 x 100 ÷ 500,000 = 0.03% ← This is our low end estimate.
If you don't have a chronic health condition, or you're not over 60yrs old, then you really don't have much to worry about in my opinion. Wash your hands a bit more, avoid at risk people when going about your day if possible. Don't lose your head in the process. 99% of confirmed cases have been mild thus far. (Symptoms no worse than a cold, or allergies.)
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The problem is your math is very flawed which is surprising from someone that claims to know math the way that you do. But it is also a common mistake from many that haven't taken the time and done enough research to properly construct an accurate math projection. I am not saying any of this to pick on you but rather to educate you.
I pay very close attention to the news about the virus and yes, there are definitely a significant amount of cases we don't know about, which is primarily due to lack of testing, but official estimates are nowhere the numbers you have above.
As of writing this, the US has 11,689 and rising by the hour. That doesn't seem like very many but just 10 days ago we had about 680 cases. Every 2.5 cases rise exponentially. That means in 2 weeks' time (assuming current trends continue) the US will have around 67,000 known cases. and in 3 weeks 100,800 and these are extremely conservative numbers due to the number of different cities and states seeing outbreaks simultaneously. We are prob looking at 250,000 to 500,000 infection in a month's time unless quarantine efforts begin to flatten the curve. The reason this happens is that 1 people think like you and don't take it seriously and 2 people spread the virus unknowingly due to mild or no symptoms.
Another reason your math is flawed is the average time from first symptoms to death is roughly 14 days and up to 28 days. Therefore comparing the current number of deaths to the current cases amount is an extremely inaccurate way to get a perceived death rate. Official estimates are around a 3.5% death rate but it is very hard to know for sure just like you said above. If you look at Italy, their death rate is around 7% currently and they have one of the best health systems in the world. I read a report today, that doctors at one hospital stopped counting the dead bodies.
Italy is a peek into the future if people in the States don't take this seriously. About 1 in 20 cases, no matter your age, and 1-10 or less for older folk develop serious to critical symptoms. Under normal circumstances, those cases should all be cured but they do take around a month to fully heal. The problem that we will face very soon is health systems being overrun just like they are in Italy. Italy doctors are having to choose who lives and dies via triage protocols. While it is true the older you are the worse it can be, but that doesn't mean younger people are not at risk. France as of about 5 days ago had 300 critical cases for people under the age of 60. I am sure that number has since risen just like every other number. So in a month and a half's time, we are looking at 25 to 50 thousand ICU cases or roughly 50% of capacity if it was even distributed (which it won't be).
The 2 biggest problems the US is facing right now is denial and a bunch of people thinking they are smarter than the professionals. Let's put it this way...
The CDC estimates somewhere between 200,000 and 2.1 million dead with 500,000 being the most probable by the time this is over. That is assuming containment efforts fail of course. This means you WILL know people who have died as our morgues fill up. To put this in perspective, 30,000 people died in the US last year from the flu. But hey, you're good at math so you know better than the virologists and epidemiologists even though you seemed to fail to understand exponential math while doing your calculations.
Oh, and uh, by the way, currently younger people have a large portion of ICU cases from the coronavirus in the US
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...zations-united-states-according-new-cdc-data/
mark manning said:
(...) The 2 biggest problems the US is facing right now is denial and a bunch of people thinking they are smarter than the professionals. (...)
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IKR! The ignorance and dismissal I see in so many people is just baffling. I've had a few arguments with people that have a more "liberal view" on the regulations our government wants us to follow. I believe the main issue is that many people refuse to believe problems if they can't see or experience them properly. It's sad to realize that for many people this will only become a real problem when a loved one dies. At that point it's likely far too late to start taking it seriously.
By the way, if we do the aforementioned math on mainland China we get ((3,249 * 100) / 81,155) 4% and it's not over just yet...
@mark manning
I explicitly stated the numbers were for the US and that other countries will have different results. Some countries are definitely much worse than others. At the time of writing that, those were the numbers available. They get updated daily here. When I used estimates, I also explicitly stated that they were just that, estimates. My math with the numbers I had at the time is perfectly correct. Using the numbers they updated with today, it puts the death rate 1.33% here, which is lower than yesterday. I am again, speaking only of the US in the above statement. I used John's Hopkins data tracker for my math. Which includes reports from the CDC, the WHO, and our state/local health departments. There were 13,159 confirmed cases in the US at the time of writing this, and 176 deaths.
Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
So, sh!t just got more real here.
The governor of my state just ordered all non life sustaining businesses to be shut down effective immediately.
https://www.wgal.com/article/all-no...locations-to-stop-coronavirus-spread/31789626
Unfortunately, my place of employment is considered non life sustaining. So after tomorrow, I'm laid off.
This is like a bad dream I can't wake up from. We are witnessing history unfold before our very eyes.
I wish you all the best and may you and your families be safe.
Spaceminer said:
@mark manning
I explicitly stated the numbers were for the US and that other countries will have different results. Some countries are definitely much worse than others. At the time of writing that, those were the numbers available. They get updated daily here. When I used estimates, I also explicitly stated that they were just that, estimates. My math with the numbers I had at the time is perfectly correct. Using the numbers they updated with today, it puts the death rate 1.33% here, which is lower than yesterday. I am again, speaking only of the US in the above statement. I used John's Hopkins data tracker for my math. Which includes reports from the CDC, the WHO, and our state/local health departments. There were 13,159 confirmed cases in the US at the time of writing this, and 176 deaths.
Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
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Well again, the time from first symptoms to death is on average 14 days
Source: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25689?af=R
And you can see that 14 days ago the US had 138 cases in total.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
I understand how you are calculating your numbers but you aren't taking in to account the time span of the COVID-19 disease that the SARS-CoV-2 virus creates. There is more to it than calculating cases vs deaths especially when the disease plays out over weeks to a month or so and that the vast majority of US cases have come in the past few days.
Okay so instead of manipulating mathematical statistics to support a particular point of view, let's ask this question:
In Korea where we've seen the most drastic measures taken to date, how many people have actually died there?
Compare that to Korea's population and perhaps we can get a better understanding of actual/realistic statistics.
TravisBean said:
Okay so instead of manipulating mathematical statistics to support a particular point of view, let's ask this question:
In Korea where we've seen the most drastic measures taken to date, how many people have actually died there?
Compare that to Korea's population and perhaps we can get a better understanding of actual/realistic statistics.
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Sure but the problem is Korea only has 9,000 cases which the US surpassed just yesterday and fewer than half the deaths the US already has. The best numbers to look at statistically speaking are the Chinese numbers and their death rate was 3.5% roughly and based on the insane testing they put their citizens through in order to combat the outbreak, they are likely very accurately now that everything has subsided there. The next most inflicted country will be Italy and theirs is 7%. In about 2 or 3 days' time, the US will be the 3rd highest country in terms of infection numbers. We won't know what our numbers are going to be like for a while but one thing is for sure, they won't be like Korea's
Deaddpool said:
So I'm surprised there's not been threads like this already and I know this is a site about making your phones kewl.....but this is the dreaded off-topic area.....so I'm gonna allow it. :silly:
Has this apparent global pandemic affected you directly yet? I'm guessing it has hit us all in some way or another by now?
For me, we've been touched by it already and I suspect my family will get hit harder by it eventually. Here's how/why....
- The Wife is a nurse at a hospital and will surely been facing covid 19 face to face sooner than later. And unfortunately her hospital is a bit of a mess, so I suspect it will sweep through the place fast and furious and I can't imagine she will be unscathed. So yes, my home will likely host the Corona at some point.
- I'm in construction and deal with people daily, and so I am sure to come face to face with an infected person/people before too long. Hopefully my 20 times a day hand sanitizing will mean something?
- folks in my area have lost every last marble and are hoarding everything they can...leaving people in need SOL for finding toilet paper, hand sanitizer, bread, bottled water, meat, soup, baby food and just about every other essential item. Though...i find it funny. Cause if the poop really hits the fan... I know several hoarders that I'll be relieving of their supplies all within walking distance. Lol
- My wife will likely have to nurse through the worst of times, should they come....cause that's what she signed on for. But me, I'll just be told to stay home, earning exactly zero dollars an hour and probably digging a financial hole we will find extremely hard to crawl out of.
- its March break here, so my wee ones are at home. Plus the school board here has said school will remain closed 2 more weeks after March break....so that is good. The kids get to stay home and stay away from the other little germ magnets they associate with!
Anyway....that is how this pandemic has and could hit my family. I'll just say this....before you contribute to cleaning stores out of essential items...take a second to think about others and maybe just get what you need for now and leave some for the rest of us. :good:
Edit: To the amazing super awesome moderators of this great site...if you're maybe thinking this topic isn't right for this site and about to click the delete or close button....perhaps reconsider and think that some here may wanna share feelings on this topic anonymously so to speak...and maybe share fears or hopes they have with the faceless here...rather than "real" people in their lives that don't need to hear about their insecurities? For me, I know I put on a brave face in person....but I'm scared a little too....but I want my family feeling confidence, so I don't dwell on these things I've said with them. Thanks my Mod friends!
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Hey man! I’m interested to know how y’all fair through this for sure. It’s true that the impact is felt everywhere and certainly in more areas than others. We will get through it though
Overseas whispers of today will be the nightmares of tomorrow
I have had ideals. In the ones that come with development they have been costly and unrewarding. I do peck at linux and suffer through windows while being taken thru the wash in Android all the while with a dishonest person trusted to better the task. I still believe the better though and will swing the bat again.
It seems to me that with the shutdown of many of the processing plants that supply the proteins that land on our tables there may be a opening for not only a opportunity to be great but may very well be rewarding. What i do great is cook, dig holes, and play assistant to the greatest women i have ever known. My mother. Who has ensured our longevity by planting more, raising more and not complaining but accepting the times with a warm embrace and a sucker punch. Here is our ideal.
The demand on sources of proteins at the slaughter house is low low low. For fear of the virus. The demand on american tables remains high. We have yet to see a vegetarian win the Heisman. Now the average american family cant store a whole pig or whole cow, but they can make room for a 1/4 and if you could make the connection between farmer whose goods are ready and families that have the next Bo Sanders sitting at the table and make it co-op so that families can cordinate the purchase the supplier can surely find a way to quarter it and mail it etc..
Believe the ideal may stink but we are predicted to suffer the greatest hunger as of yet. I believe a large part is logistics. Simply a large part of people dont know that hunger is that great and much less how to go about overcoming if it was made available. It would require a start at the local area but with the coverage it would reicieve as a solution to our times I think it would grow quickly. Praise for man and his efforts to save a dying occupation and further even more the voice of technology being a solution. And to think I havent smoked and drank anything today. Just a thought may not be worth a penny but I do believe soon we are going to have no pork and that is a need.
thank you for taking the time to read this I feel better about myself, God Bless
Some time ago i released "Advice Guide - The paths i found to improve mental health / destress / cognitivity / consciousness / productivity" on reddit where i mentioned some apps that will help you to improve i named them 'phone tools' , hope you enjoy.
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It all starts with one thought: How to improve? The things i found on my way asking this question are published in this post. I always tried to follow current research and not all of this could be your way of the path. I will update as soon i got new insights and im open for science backed answers that can extend the list. Feel free to contribute and enjoy life.
Point 1 is freshly discovered, maybe it gets extended soon
side note: most mentioned methods also improve autophagy , cleaning your cells from trash
1. Nutrition:
Do's=
- Eat some Olive oil or/and Nuts , prevents high insulin
- use the intermidity diet. 16 hours not eating / 8 hours eating- will keep your brain running and insuline low!
- eat egg yolks and curcumin (turmeric) , they increase neuroplasticity
- omega-3 fats (fish) intake, as well as l-theanine (tea)
- vape nicotin inside an e-cigarette , isolated nicotine helps boosting memory and learning whilst having harmful ingredients in normal cigarettes
Don'ts=
- Dont use preperates to cover brain or health needs! some of them are unhealthy cause they provide to much of a normaly healthy ingredient making you sick at the end
- Dont eat high carbs! Things in your brain cant work nicely when the body produces to much insulin caused from carbs
- dont drink cow milk, it blocks folate receptors and decreases methylation, which are improving your neuronal build (neurogenesis) , Goat’s and sheep’s milk products are usually fine—unless you have an autoimmune disease.
2. Daily Routines
- breath trough your nose : The benefits of nasal breathing are associated with how this breathing purifies, heats, moistens, and pressurizes the air. These changes to the air increase oxygen absorption by approximately 10-15%.
- You all may know it : Meditation. A daily session of meditation , even in doses of 5-10 minutes per day can improve mood, destress, helps fokus
-- Phone tools=
- Mesmerize - with visual , audio and breath stimulation
- Brain.fm - i prefer those sounds as they are binaural, bringing your head in a synchronized state with the selected mindset
- Cold Showers : It releases anti-depressants and is an stress trainer. so its a good prevention if you seem to have a lot stress. i recommend to start cold and change it to warm later.
- Brain training - also classical advice and a hot science topic as some scientists beliefe you just get better in the tasks , my opinion is if the brain gains neuronal connections , its a very good choice/thing. the average brain starts to slowly reduce unused parts at an age of 25!
-- Phone tools=
- Neuronation
- Brain Wars
- Nonogram King
- Sudoku4two
- Futoshiki
- Hex2048
- Loop: Energy
- I Love Hue too
- Sleep - sleep is used to store information in your long term memory, dont lose it! study shows that uncovered sleep can be restored in the next 2 days
- Exercise physically - a healthy body keeps your mind running. dont try to overuse alcohol (healthy amount: 0,5 l each day on 5 days a week) and keep distance from drugs even if you think they provide you a brighter sight of how things are, they change your neuronal connections
-- 10 minutes a day running will help to release neuronal builders and strengthen your allready existing neurons
- Games - yes even games can help you, especially action games cause they fasten your cognitivity
-- Phone Tools=
- Dragon Fly
- Death Worm
- Fruit Ninja
- Temple Run
- Sonic Jump Fever
- Smash it
- Zombie Smasher
- Race the Sun
- Metal Madness
- Mobile Legends
- Jetpack Joyride
- Real Boxing
- Dead Target
- Dancing Road
- Shellfire
- Kickflight
- Overdrive
- Bomb Bots Arena
- Into the Dead
- Learn : The more you remember the easier you will keep information, but be aware- the brain slowly fades unused information when it gets new input. Ask yourself before learning what it may help you with in the future to stay more motivated
-- Phone Tools=
- Audio Now
- StudySmarter
- Coursera
- StoryShots
- Deepstash
- 12 Min
- Inshorts
- Plan your work : we are most productive in little time frames, this covers also learning. Dont multitask, if you excluded all unnecessary distractions, you can enter the highly effective flow state. motivate yourself when imagining why you do something. Theres no reason to think "i cant" , instead think "i dont". failure is the key to sucess , learn from it
-- there are many proven methods to take care of the little time frames, here are two examples =
- 25 minute , followed by 2 minute break , repeat 3 to 4 times until you choose a larger break of around 15 minutes
- 90 minutes , followed by a 10-15 minute break
this also helps when doing things you dont like or if you are procrastinating - brain sends a pain reaction 20 minutes of time , if you overcome that period you will teach yourself its not that bad
surprisingly the same time span (20 minutes) is needed to decrease your focus, breaks will help you getting new information processed
- Use your subconsciousness : Things become sticky when you repeatly hear or see them. Try to take a look on motivational short notices over the day
-- Phone Tools=
- Unlock your Mind
At the end i will leave you with a phone tool for stress prevention, called "Skills".
I didnt mention the many self advice i got from book summarys and podcasts, to keep it informal mostly. Hope this helped you, have a nice one and dont forget to leave comments
Meh, don't vape... put the e-liquid under your tongue; nicotine* is quickly absorbed through the mucous membranes.
Nicotine also is a MAO inhibitor that protects the Substantia nigra region of the brain.
However there's a much better one... Deprenyl. After age 45, 2-5 mg @ day in the morning. One of the true anti-aging drugs.
If you start using before you develop Parkinson's disease you may never develop it.
Everyone will develop Parkinson's disease if they life long enough. Deprenyl is a selective MOA inhibitor that slows down the breakdown of dopamine thereby reducing the workload/ free radical damage of the dopamine producing neurons in the Substantia nigra region of the brain.
For unknown reasons as people age the MAO levels rise for these neurons causing a premature breakdown of dopamine. The neurons are forced to increase their production of dopamine to offset this. It's theorized this in turn causes increase free radical damage to the dopamine producing neurons and their premature death.
If 80% are destroyed signs of Parkinson's disease will manifest themselves.
It 90% or more are destroyed, you will die.
*Good cigars are much tastier and more relaxing than straight nicotine. The olfactory properties of it's many subtle aromas trigger memories long forgotten. Vaping is a boring one trick pony.
Tobacco also has natural anti-inflammatory properties that protect joints and suppress other types of inflammation that nicotine alone does not.
Tobacco is a true smart drug. More effective than caffeine when you really need to stay alert and awake. It's saved my life more than once on the road.
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Meh, don't vape... put the e-liquid under your tongue; nicotine* is quickly absorbed through the mucous membranes.
Nicotine also is a MAO inhibitor that protects the Substantia nigra region of the brain.
However there's a much better one... Deprenyl. After age 45, 2-5 mg @ day in the morning. One of the true anti-aging drugs.
If you start using before you develop Parkinson's disease you may never develop it.
Everyone will develop Parkinson's disease if they life long enough. Deprenyl is a selective MOA inhibitor that slows down the breakdown of dopamine thereby reducing the workload/ free radical damage of the dopamine producing neurons in the Substantia nigra region of the brain.
For unknown reasons as people age the MAO levels rise for these neurons causing a premature breakdown of dopamine. The neurons are forced to increase their production of dopamine to offset this. It's theorized this in turn causes increase free radical damage to the dopamine producing neurons and their premature death.
If 80% are destroyed signs of Parkinson's disease will manifest themselves.
It 90% or more are destroyed, you will die.
*Good cigars are much tastier and more relaxing than straight nicotine. The olfactory properties of it's many subtle aromas trigger memories long forgotten. Vaping is a boring one trick pony.
Tobacco also has natural anti-inflammatory properties that protect joints and suppress other types of inflammation that nicotine alone does not.
Tobacco is a true smart drug. More effective than caffeine when you really need to stay alert and awake. It's saved my life more than once on the road.
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you recommend people to take an antidepressant ? this is crazy, antidepressants dont stop production of dopamine, they stop them to dock into the receptors. and free radicals are known to be necessary lately
The good thing about free radicals
Free radicals have long been associated with tissue damage. A new study shows that they also promote regeneration. Let us start with the basis: every matter co …
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show us a study that proves parkinson behaves like you describe it as i know not a single old person having parkinson....
tobacco harms lung function, risk of heart disease , circulation and carbon monoxide levels , i dont recommend it.
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you recommend people to take an antidepressant ? this is crazy, antidepressants dont stop production of dopamine, they stop them to dock into the receptors. and free radicals are known to be necessary lately
The good thing about free radicals
Free radicals have long been associated with tissue damage. A new study shows that they also promote regeneration. Let us start with the basis: every matter co …
www.wingsforlife.com
show us a study that proves parkinson behaves like you describe it as i know not a single old person having parkinson....
tobacco harms lung function, risk of heart disease , circulation and carbon monoxide levels , i dont recommend it.
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It's not a true antidepressant. Neurochemistry is much more complicated than that.
Your dopamine levels start falling as you age. Lower dopamine levels mean lower testosterone and hgh levels. The deadly triad... you need all 3 to live and be healthy.
Read up on Deprenyl completely than get back to me.
Using too much has the opposite effect. 2-5 mg @ day max and less is better. A 2 day holiday every 7-10 days. Monitoring BP at first as it is an MAO inhibitor but it's selective. It lowers my BP by 1 or 2 points, odd.
Increases fine motors skills and athletic performance. Do not or be careful to use if you suffer from anxiety.
It's a better anti aging drug than anything you listed although I often substitute cigars for it.
Why do you think the incidence of Parkinson's disease is lower in smokers than non-smokers in the same age brackets?
Those pills Muhammad Ali was popping in the ring at the Rumble in the Jungle fight were Deprenyl. Parkinson's disease and its many variant forms are much more common than you realize... live long enough and you will unfortunately discover it.
blackhawk said:
It's not a true antidepressant. Neurochemistry is much more complicated than that.
Your dopamine levels start falling as you age. Lower dopamine levels mean lower testosterone and hgh levels. The deadly triad... you need all 3 to live and be healthy.
Read up on Deprenyl completely than get back to me.
Using too much has the opposite effect. 2-5 mg @ day max and less is better. A 2 day holiday every 7-10 days. Monitoring BP at first as it is an MAO inhibitor but it's selective. It lowers my BP by 1 or 2 points, odd.
Increases fine motors skills and athletic performance. Do not or be careful to use if you suffer from anxiety.
It's a better anti aging drug than anything you listed although I often substitute cigars for it.
Why do you think the incidence of Parkinson's disease is lower in smokers than non-smokers in the same age brackets?
Those pills Muhammad Ali was popping in the ring at the Rumble in the Jungle fight were Deprenyl. Parkinson's disease and its many variant forms are much more common than you realize... live long enough and you will unfortunately discover it.
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"In Parkinson's disease, neurons of the substantia nigra progressively degenerate"
its a symptom of parkinson, not the cause....
Dopamine and Parkinson's Disease - Madame Curie Bioscience Database - NCBI Bookshelf
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
as long you cant show me that low dopamine causes parkinson , i dont recommend anyone to take a medication like this , the starving of old neurons is crucial and needed for neurogenesis , its no good idea to prevent it
Control of adult neurogenesis by programmed cell death in the mammalian brain - Molecular Brain
The presence of neural stem cells (NSCs) and the production of new neurons in the adult brain have received great attention from scientists and the public because of implications to brain plasticity and their potential use for treating currently incurable brain diseases. Adult neurogenesis is...
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HeathenMan said:
"In Parkinson's disease, neurons of the substantia nigra progressively degenerate"
its a symptom of parkinson, not the cause....
Dopamine and Parkinson's Disease - Madame Curie Bioscience Database - NCBI Bookshelf
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
as long you cant show me that low dopamine causes parkinson , i dont recommend anyone to take a medication like this , the starving of old neurons is crucial and needed for neurogenesis , its no good idea to prevent it
Control of adult neurogenesis by programmed cell death in the mammalian brain - Molecular Brain
The presence of neural stem cells (NSCs) and the production of new neurons in the adult brain have received great attention from scientists and the public because of implications to brain plasticity and their potential use for treating currently incurable brain diseases. Adult neurogenesis is...
molecularbrain.biomedcentral.com
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Come on, stop that chicken/egg bs.
You use nicotine* already for the exact same purpose...
Using Deprenyl or the weaker nicotine works by reducing the amount of dopamine the neurons need to produce. It thought this provides those neurons with enhanced free radical protection.
In mice it greatly extended their lifespan when given starting at a young age.
Medicine is an art not a science...
* nicotine has one nasty side effect; it relaxes the esophagus sphincter muscles. Well documented but few layman know this.
Effects of transdermal nicotine on lower esophageal sphincter and esophageal motility - PubMed
Cigarette smoking has been shown to decrease lower esophageal sphincter pressure (LESP) by 19-42%. This decrease in LESP may be due to nicotine in the cigarette smoke or substances other than nicotine. The aim of this study was to evaluate the effects of a nicotine patch on esophageal motility...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Only if you guys would try to be more polite...
xanthrax said:
Only if you guys would try to be more polite...
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Meh?
We're good. We agree on nicotine and breathing through the nose.
Probably about drinking lots of water and no soda too.
And the OP didn't dis the gars
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Meh?
We're good. We agree on nicotine and breathing through the nose.
Probably about drinking lots of water and no soda too.
And the OP didn't dis the gars
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Cool! Then I'll join in when you guys arrive to the beer chapter
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Cool! Then I'll join in when you guys arrive to the beer chapter
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Let's jump straight to the sipping wiskey and Johnny Cash songs
xanthrax said:
Cool! Then I'll join in when you guys arrive to the beer chapter
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i saw a study that 0,5 liters of alcohol on 5 days per week is healthier then drinking nothing but i mainly focus on neurological benefits here. overall health is a huge theme
HeathenMan said:
i saw a study that 0,5 liters of alcohol on 5 days per week is healthier then drinking nothing but i mainly focus on neurological benefits here. overall health is a huge theme
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Bob Hope was notorious for taking his long walks late at night wherever he was. He credited them for his good health and longevity.
Once a stranger commented to him: You look a lot like Bob Hope."
Hope dryly replied: "I get that a lot."
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It depends on the individual. Very little in medicine is written in stone.
If you've seen the movie, go ahead and share your thoughts here. I'll go first. Obviously, I understand this is just a movie, it's made for the entertainment value, but I can't help picking it apart.
Overall, I think the movie did what it was supposed to do - a "feel good" flick about America. The nostalgia was nice. But, my experience as a Marine veteran as well as knowledge of military aviation raised a lot of issues for me.
First...The SR-72/Aurora/Darkwing project. It's plausible that someone like Maverick could indeed become a test pilot, but most such projects are run under the Air Force, at the end of a pilot's career. It would have made more sense to put this at the end of the movie, although he would have a literal snowflake's chance in hell of surviving a Mach 10+ disintegration. The human body cannot withstand supersonic ejection; the force of the air stream can literally rip your body apart. Maverick would have been pink mist. Also...You crash a multi-billion (if not trillion) dollar prototype, chances are you'll never fly again.
This brings me to the bar scene, where apparently no one knows who he is, and he eventually gets thrown out by Hangman and the other pilots. The problem with this is, someone like Maverick would have quite the reputation; everyone there would have been buying him drinks, not throwing him out on his ass. Not to mention anyone in the military knows you don't put your hands on an O-6.
I do like the line where he tells Penny "Being a fighter pilot is what I am". This is true for pretty much every career pilot I've known - their whole life revolves around it, and when it's over, they have a lot of trouble finding a sense of purpose. It's tough to know you're staring at the end of something you've done (and loved) your entire adult life, wondering what the hell do you do now?
The element of TOPGUN itself, the Navy's Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program, was rather lacking. The pilots were all graduates of TOPGUN, sure...but the idea that only they could perform the mission doesn't make sense. In reality, the military would simply use whatever assets that were the closest and most capable. But, assuming all this...Why are all these pilots struggling against G's like 2nd week flight school boots in the G trainer? They're fighter pilots, not truck drivers. They should be well used to handling high Gs with composure. Then Phoenix crashes her jet...Bird strikes are a thing, engine flameouts are a thing, but she apparently forgot all the boldface procedures. Chances are she'd still have at least limited power even with a fragged motor, and there's no reason she'd lose control of the jet. Still, she crashed it, and they still somehow sent her on this high risk mission. In reality, that wouldn't happen...She wouldn't necessarily be grounded, but she'd be off the team after that. And why are they flying out of NAS North Island? TOPGUN has been at NAS Fallon since 1996, and it's just a waste of gas to fly back and forth that far. That being said, they could have been training at MCAGCC Twentynine Palms, also out in the middle of the Mojave desert. Also, why are two admirals running TOPGUN? And what's the point of Hangman? His story arc is basically "mean girl" > "Not mean girl". No pilot would volunteer for mission commander; if anything they'd fight about who DOESN'T want to be mission commander.
The mission itself doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's extremely unlikely that something high risk like this would be flown by a four ship strike package of Rhinos (Super Hornets). A real strike package would have included AWACS, air superiority fighters, SEAD taking out the SAMs, most likely some EA-18G Growlers...and if they absolutely had to be subtle, they'd use F-35Cs....assuming the mission wasn't carried out by Air Force B-2's. GPS jamming is a thing, but it's much harder to jam laser, and they'd probably drop some SEALs in to lase the target for them. The whole valley thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense, either. No way is any adversary going to leave such an obvious back door open. That entire valley would be littered with SAMs, MANPADs, and AAA....and if for whatever reason they didn't see them on radar (which they would have while they were out to sea) they would definitely have heard them. The TLAM strike does make sense, but they'd probably program them with an off-axis waypoint so they didn't come in from the same direction as the fighters. The pilots wouldn't be too happy about missiles flying a couple hundred feet over their heads; if one goes haywire, that could be it for you or your wingman. It's worth noting that TLAMs are subsonic cruise missiles, too, so they wouldn't be outrunning fighters cruising at 400+ knots.
The diving delivery doesn't make a whole lot of sense. F/A-18s are 4th generation fighters; laser guided bombs don't have to be dropped in a dive, they just have to be dropped into a virtual "basket" where the seeker head can acquire the laser signal. They could do this while staying under the rim of the mountain crater.
The F-14 scene is pretty cool, although if he'd taken off using flaps...he might have saved the nose gear. But, if he saved the nose gear, he wouldn't be able to barricade, and movies have to have tension, right? That being said, the chances of surviving against not just one, but two Su-57s in a F-14 are...Not great. The Felon's capabilities are doubted, sure...the cockpit looks like it has very poor rear visibility...but, it is a 5th gen fighter with 3D thrust vectoring. It would make quick work out of the heavy, ungainly F-35, let alone a Tomcat, and modern heat seeking missiles like the AIM-9X and R-73 (R-74 in the Su-57's case) are hard to decoy with flares. There's no way flying through a canyon would confuse the Felon's systems...they'd just hang back and keep firing missiles until they brought the Tomcat down. They wouldn't bother following it through the canyon, either...they could just fly a couple thousand feet above and behind and maintain visual contact.
Finally...nobody would be crowding the flight deck celebrating. Everyone topside has a job; if your job doesn't involve you being on the flight deck, you won't be there. Their first priority would be ensuring nothing caught fire, and they did that. Second priority would be clearing the deck, because an aircraft carrier is busy 24/7 with launches, recoveries, and training.
Anyway, that's just my take. Feel free to share yours.
We Were Soldiers and Hamburger Hill are good... never liked Tom bs Cruise at all.
blackhawk said:
We Were Soldiers and Hamburger Hill are good... never liked Tom bs Cruise at all.
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Hacksaw Ridge was pretty excellent too. I'm not a huge fan of Cruise either but the intent here is to talk about what we like or didn't like about Maverick
V0latyle said:
Hacksaw Ridge was pretty excellent too. I'm not a huge fan of Cruise either but the intent here is to talk about what we like or didn't like about Maverick
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Numerous technical errors as usual... try to pretend you're stupid, don't think, pretend it's not Tom Cruise and the movie might be ok.
Probably not.
I once shot out a 30" crt with a 9mm Glaser safety slug because Tom Cruise was on it at that time. Got him center mass
Deeply satisfying and the micro shrapnel from it was incredible. Replaced the crt for $169... it was so worth it.
After thinking over, watch Spy Hard instead. Far more believable, better script and acting too
Dang! Glad I saw the movie before reading all of this. I loved it! Could care less about all the technical authenticity or whatever, I go to the movies to forget about the real world, and if I wanted to see all this technical stuff, I could have saved the $60 bucks, had a few sips of Scotch and looked it all up on the interwebz, and forgotten all about it anyways!
Good thing Badgers are simple creatures!
Badger50 said:
Dang! Glad I saw the movie before reading all of this. I loved it! Could care less about all the technical authenticity or whatever, I go to the movies to forget about the real world, and if I wanted to see all this technical stuff, I could have saved the $60 bucks, had a few sips of Scotch and looked it all up on the interwebz, and forgotten all about it anyways!
Good thing Badgers are simple creatures!
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Any critter that decorates its den entrance with bones from its plunders isn't a simple creature
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I think you meant, Simply effective!
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I think you meant, Simply effective!
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Simply hungry too
Meh... saw it.
Great cinematography... at times,
sound track- meh,
script- another death star miracle... it was pretentious and rehashed.
wokeness- a token women top gun, lame.
It had a click to it but it felt like a 80yo cougar making a pass at you.
It's ok... hella better then any of the new woke Disney crap
Guess I'll watch it again. Older Tom Cruise isn't nearly as anoying as young TC.
What do two F18 pilots, Wombat and Mover think?
They bring up some interesting aspects of the movie.
I want to believe... *explodes into pink mist*
The sequel to a classic created another classic...Tom Cruise back as Maverick is fantastic...a film to watch and re-watch..
V0latyle said:
If you've seen the movie, go ahead and share your thoughts here. I'll go first. Obviously, I understand this is just a movie, it's made for the entertainment value, but I can't help picking it apart.
Overall, I think the movie did what it was supposed to do - a "feel good" flick about America. The nostalgia was nice. But, my experience as a Marine veteran as well as knowledge of military aviation raised a lot of issues for me.
First...The SR-72/Aurora/Darkwing project. It's plausible that someone like Maverick could indeed become a test pilot, but most such projects are run under the Air Force, at the end of a pilot's career. It would have made more sense to put this at the end of the movie, although he would have a literal snowflake's chance in hell of surviving a Mach 10+ disintegration. The human body cannot withstand supersonic ejection; the force of the air stream can literally rip your body apart. Maverick would have been pink mist. Also...You crash a multi-billion (if not trillion) dollar prototype, chances are you'll never fly again.
This brings me to the bar scene, where apparently no one knows who he is, and he eventually gets thrown out by Hangman and the other pilots. The problem with this is, someone like Maverick would have quite the reputation; everyone there would have been buying him drinks, not throwing him out on his ass.
I do like the line where he tells Penny "Being a fighter pilot is what I am". This is true for pretty much every career pilot I've known - their whole life revolves around it, and when it's over, they have a lot of trouble finding a sense of purpose. It's tough to know you're staring at the end of something you've done (and loved) your entire adult life, wondering what the hell do you do now?
The element of TOPGUN itself, the Navy's Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program, was rather lacking. The pilots were all graduates of TOPGUN, sure...but the idea that only they could perform the mission doesn't make sense. In reality, the military would simply use whatever assets that were the closest and most capable. But, assuming all this...Why are all these pilots struggling against G's like 2nd week flight school boots in the G trainer? They're fighter pilots, not truck drivers. They should be well used to handling high Gs with composure. Then Phoenix crashes her jet...Bird strikes are a thing, engine flameouts are a thing, but she apparently forgot all the boldface procedures. Chances are she'd still have at least limited power even with a fragged motor, and there's no reason she'd lose control of the jet. Still, she crashed it, and they still somehow sent her on this high risk mission. In reality, that wouldn't happen...She wouldn't necessarily be grounded, but she'd be off the team after that. And why are they flying out of NAS North Island? TOPGUN has been at NAS Fallon since 1996, and it's just a waste of gas to fly back and forth that far. That being said, they could have been training at MCAGCC Twentynine Palms, also out in the middle of the Mojave desert. Also, why are two admirals running TOPGUN? And what's the point of Hangman? His story arc is basically "mean girl" > "Not mean girl". No pilot would volunteer for mission commander; if anything they'd fight about who DOESN'T want to be mission commander.
The mission itself doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's extremely unlikely that something high risk like this would be flown by a four ship strike package of Rhinos (Super Hornets). A real strike package would have included AWACS, air superiority fighters, SEAD taking out the SAMs, most likely some EA-18G Growlers...and if they absolutely had to be subtle, they'd use F-35Cs....assuming the mission wasn't carried out by Air Force B-2's. GPS jamming is a thing, but it's much harder to jam laser, and they'd probably drop some SEALs in to lase the target for them. The whole valley thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense, either. No way is any adversary going to leave such an obvious back door open. That entire valley would be littered with SAMs, MANPADs, and AAA....and if for whatever reason they didn't see them on radar (which they would have while they were out to sea) they would definitely have heard them. The TLAM strike does make sense, but they'd probably program them with an off-axis waypoint so they didn't come in from the same direction as the fighters. The pilots wouldn't be too happy about missiles flying a couple hundred feet over their heads; if one goes haywire, that could be it for you or your wingman. It's worth noting that TLAMs are subsonic cruise missiles, too, so they wouldn't be outrunning fighters cruising at 400+ knots.
The diving delivery doesn't make a whole lot of sense. F/A-18s are 4th generation fighters; laser guided bombs don't have to be dropped in a dive, they just have to be dropped into a virtual "basket" where the seeker head can acquire the laser signal. They could do this while staying under the rim of the mountain crater.
The F-14 scene is pretty cool, although if he'd taken off using flaps...he might have saved the nose gear. But, if he saved the nose gear, he wouldn't be able to barricade, and movies have to have tension, right? That being said, the chances of surviving against not just one, but two Su-57s in a F-14 are...Not great. The Felon's capabilities are doubted, sure...the cockpit looks like it has very poor rear visibility...but, it is a 5th gen fighter with 3D thrust vectoring. It would make quick work out of the heavy, ungainly F-35, let alone a Tomcat, and modern heat seeking missiles like the AIM-9X and R-73 (R-74 in the Su-57's case) are hard to decoy with flares. There's no way flying through a canyon would confuse the Felon's systems...they'd just hang back and keep firing missiles until they brought the Tomcat down. They wouldn't bother following it through the canyon, either...they could just fly a couple thousand feet above and behind and maintain visual contact.
Finally...nobody would be crowding the flight deck celebrating. Everyone topside has a job; if your job doesn't involve you being on the flight deck, you won't be there. Their first priority would be ensuring nothing caught fire, and they did that. Second priority would be clearing the deck, because an aircraft carrier is busy 24/7 with launches, recoveries, and training.
Anyway, that's just my take. Feel free to share yours.
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The best Way to explain what I think is summed up in the video of this guy..
*not my video* hope it’s ok to post
I think maverick died in the beginning and lived his dream afterlife. However, we will never know.
I’ve read many posts about it, so I don’t think I’m the only one (besides the guy making the video).
It makes sense. But if he died that also means.. no part 3. 🫤
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The best Way to explain what I think is summed up in the video of this guy..
*not my video* hope it’s ok to post
I think maverick died in the beginning and lived his dream afterlife. However, we will never know.
I’ve read many posts about it, so I don’t think I’m the only one (besides the guy making the video).
It makes sense. But if he died that also means.. no part 3. 🫤
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That's one way to put it.
On another topic, I saw several comments on YouTube insisting that they used minimal CGI in the movie because Tom Cruise apparently doesn't like doing CGI. So, explain these:
- The SR-72 Darkstar is still in development; if there are any flying prototypes, they are undoubtedly UAVs, much less capable of Mach 10.
- The US military has very specific rules on "safety bubbles" in training - a buffer zone around your aircraft that MUST be clear of other aircraft, the only exceptions being formation flight. Even professional stunt pilots like the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds maintain "bubbles" of at least several hundred feet and use perspective angles to create the illusion of much closer proximity for maneuvers such as the head on break. Why would the military break hard and fast rules written in blood for a film?
- There are only 5 total flying Su-57/PAK-FA fighters, all in the Russian Air Force. How exactly did the Navy gain cooperation from a historically belligerent foreign military to use their 5th generation fighters for a film?
- The only flying F-14 Tomcats are all owned by Iran, again historically belligerent towards the United States, so same problem as above. While a real F-14 was used in the movie, it's a non-flying airframe with no engines or avionics that was shipped in pieces to the film set.
- The missiles...think those were real?
- The one thing that MIGHT be real would be the Mi-24 helicopter, just because there are so many all around the world.
V0latyle said:
That's one way to put it.
On another topic, I saw several comments on YouTube insisting that they used minimal CGI in the movie because Tom Cruise apparently doesn't like doing CGI. So, explain these:
- The SR-72 Darkstar is still in development; if there are any flying prototypes, they are undoubtedly UAVs, much less capable of Mach 10.
- The US military has very specific rules on "safety bubbles" in training - a buffer zone around your aircraft that MUST be clear of other aircraft, the only exceptions being formation flight. Even professional stunt pilots like the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds maintain "bubbles" of at least several hundred feet and use perspective angles to create the illusion of much closer proximity for maneuvers such as the head on break. Why would the military break hard and fast rules written in blood for a film?
- There are only 5 total flying Su-57/PAK-FA fighters, all in the Russian Air Force. How exactly did the Navy gain cooperation from a historically belligerent foreign military to use their 5th generation fighters for a film?
- The only flying F-14 Tomcats are all owned by Iran, again historically belligerent towards the United States, so same problem as above. While a real F-14 was used in the movie, it's a non-flying airframe with no engines or avionics that was shipped in pieces to the film set.
- The missiles...think those were real?
- The one thing that MIGHT be real would be the Mi-24 helicopter, just because there are so many all around the world.
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If you watch Hamburger Hill or We Were Soldiers you don't have turn off your your intellect while watching, but it may get bruised. Hamburger Hill is one of the most realistic war movies ever made. My Nam buddy Al said "It was like that!". It seems plotless and random, horrible $hit happens just like war. Hard to say who "won".
I've watched Hamburger Hill over a dozen times.
Das Boot (director's cut) is another excellent war movie. Uboat ace Captain Eric Topp was a consultant for that film.
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If you watch Hamburger Hill or We Were Soldiers you don't have turn off your your intellect while watching, but it may get bruised. Hamburger Hill is one of the most realistic war movies ever made. My Nam buddy Al said "It was like that!". It seems plotless and random, horrible $hit happens just like war. Hard to say who "won".
I've watched Hamburger Hill over a dozen times.
Das Boot (director's cut) is another excellent war movie. Uboat ace Captain Eric Topp was a consultant for that film.
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Yeah. And the whole point of Top Gun is a feel good all American movie. If we want to talk about ridiculously unrealistic, how about Mission: Impossible...
V0latyle said:
Yeah. And the whole point of Top Gun is a feel good all American movie. If we want to talk about ridiculously unrealistic, how about Mission: Impossible...
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Yeah I blew MI off after a few minutes
The Bruce Lee movies still impress, he was pulling punches and nunchuk hits so fast it was a blur even at 40fps? Wow. Like Jimi on the guitar, where they mere mortals?
Two oldies but goodies are the original Freaks (all the freaks are real) and Spider Baby with a young Sid Haig, a stellar performance from Lon Chaney jr plus more top shelf character actors.
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Yeah I blew MI off after a few minutes
The Bruce Lee movies still impress, he was pulling punches and nunchuk hits so fast it was a blur even at 40fps? Wow. Like Jimi on the guitar, where they mere mortals?
Two oldies but goodies are the original Freaks (all the freaks are real) and Spider Baby with a young Sid Haig, a stellar performance from Lon Chaney jr plus more top shelf character actors.
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Typical movie framerate is 24fps. I've honestly never watched the Bruce Lee movies so I don't know.
V0latyle said:
Typical movie framerate is 24fps. I've honestly never watched the Bruce Lee movies so I don't know.
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Maybe 36fps, they deliberately used a higher frame rate to shoot the action scenes. Don't ask me how they integrated that?
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Maybe 36fps, they deliberately used a higher frame rate to shoot the action scenes. Don't ask me how they integrated that?
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Now there's a technical brain teaser. Before digital film, both cameras and film projectors were mechanical, so the movie had to be played at the same rate at which it was filmed. Variable speeds would be a problem since the soundtrack was synchronized to the film as well. It's not so difficult with digital technology, but most video encoders use a static frame rate - the BIT rate can be variable, wherein the "depth" of the information recorded can vary, but the frame rate generally doesn't.
Now if they shot the entire movie in 36fps, that would make sense.
V0latyle said:
Now there's a technical brain teaser. Before digital film, both cameras and film projectors were mechanical, so the movie had to be played at the same rate at which it was filmed. Variable speeds would be a problem since the soundtrack was synchronized to the film as well. It's not so difficult with digital technology, but most video encoders use a static frame rate - the BIT rate can be variable, wherein the "depth" of the information recorded can vary, but the frame rate generally doesn't.
Now if they shot the entire movie in 36fps, that would make sense.
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36fps it appears to be. Lee was incredibly fast and formidable.
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36fps it appears to be. Lee was incredibly fast and formidable.
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Oh okay, so they shot at 34fps, which resulted in a bit of a "slow motion" effect when played at the standard 24fps.