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Should I install froyo?

Hey guys. Just got a captivate a few days ago and I love it except for the gps. I was just wondering if the leaked build of froyo improves the gps at all and if its worth updating before they release the official one. If so, where can I find the latest version of the leaked build? Thank you for any help.
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The leaked Froyo does not necessarily improve on GPS because many people don't have issues where many people do. Give it a shot and search different methods of changing your LBStestmode settings to see what works. Second, for me it was worth installing as 2.2 offers stuff you cant have on 2.1 such as the newer Gmail, flash 10.1 and other goodies. It is faster as well. Search the threads in the Dev section for different ROM's and how to flash. Ask questions about flashing after doing exhaustive searching because you will be able to find most answers in those threads.

flashman2002 said:
The leaked Froyo does not necessarily improve on GPS because many people don't have issues where many people do. Give it a shot and search different methods of changing your LBStestmode settings to see what works. Second, for me it was worth installing as 2.2 offers stuff you cant have on 2.1 such as the newer Gmail, flash 10.1 and other goodies. It is faster as well. Search the threads in the Dev section for different ROM's and how to flash. Ask questions about flashing after doing exhaustive searching because you will be able to find most answers in those threads.
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x2...makes the phone 100x better.

Cognition 2.2 Beta 9.1.1
Grab this and never look back.
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I'm kinda on the fence about this as well. I should be getting my Captivate tomorrow and I have been doing a crap ton of research in the past few days. Everything I have read points to either the "Official Leaked Froyo 2.2" or the newest "Cognition v2.2 BETA9.1.1". My only concern is the known issues that are listed on the Cognition website...
MMS won't work if you have "(" or ")" in your phone numbers
Contact groups sometimes opens the wrong group, you can fix this by replacing it with an I9K contacts.apk, but then you lose AT&T contact syncing
No Voodoo voices, supercurio is working on this (first boot will take awhile, be patient!)
Everyone has the same device_id
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Is this true with both builds listed or just with the Cognition v2.2 BETA9.1.1? I'm also completely new to Android being that I am a fomer iPhone junkie. So any help, how-to's, or info would be appreciated. In all honesty I was going to start here, youtube.com/watch?v=S9YnSVvfHpQ and if that wasn't successful go ahead and try Cognition. I'm just the type of person that likes to have things working properly and fast, like everyone else.
And for those wondering why I have been a member for over two and a half years and this is my first post, I have usually been able to find what I need and not had to ask questions.

I would point out that DesignGears has a perfectly rockin' cognition for eclair too. My first flash was 2.1.4 and it was amazing compared to stock eclair.
nothing really helps the gps, you either got it good, or not. (much research into that opinion btw.)
Cog 8.1+ is the shiz atm.
There's a couple of other froyo flavors also. I wouldn't go back to eclair at this point.
If nothin' else, it's a crap ton of fun flashin' and figuring stuff out. I'd do it just for that.
Not sure on MMS. I had no problems with it, but my numbers were already formatted without the parenthesis.

The ability to do these type of things is what lead me to the Android platform over the iPhone OS, it's just too locked down even with it being jailbroken IMHO. I'm just basically looking for a point of refferance I suppose. Basically the things to do and not to do to the phone you know. For me it's more of a challenge because I'm learning something new. I don't know if it's because I'm not looking in the right places or what but it seems like step by step guides are hard to come by regarding this stuff.

unless you use the i9000 ROM with captivate kernel, all Captivate Froyo builds are based off the captivate beta of Froyo.
It had a enough bugs that i rolled back to 2.1. Don't get me wrong, it is stable - but I figure i will wait for a more bug free beta to be the basis of my Froyo jump.

mindbuRn said:
The ability to do these type of things is what lead me to the Android platform over the iPhone OS, it's just too locked down even with it being jailbroken IMHO. I'm just basically looking for a point of refferance I suppose. Basically the things to do and not to do to the phone you know. For me it's more of a challenge because I'm learning something new. I don't know if it's because I'm not looking in the right places or what but it seems like step by step guides are hard to come by regarding this stuff.
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Not so much. You just gotta be patient and diligent. There's a couple of gems laying around but they are usually in the middle of a thread. The cognition thread for example. It's a beast to keep up with but given time you can digest most of what you need there. And there are plenty of links throughout that will clarify or intimidate as your experience and skill allow. Trouble is there's a TON of junk because people get impatient, or lazy I guess. Same questions, over and over.
I came to the captivate from a blackberry. Not much customization goin' on there. So as a stone noob, I read the cognition thread from post 1. All of it. I am a pretty confident android operator now. And I can't read nor write a line of code. In any language!
And you can too. Get busy, Grasshopper.

If you live on campus or rely on some sort of enterprise WIFI then go to froyo. Using eclair I could NEVER connect to the wifi at my school. It would say that I was connected of course but no data would transfer.
I switched to Froyo and haven't had problems since.
Also, my GPS is rockin!

alphadog, what "bugs" did you have when using Froyo? And what you mentioned is a lot of where my confusion comes into play, "kernals and ROMs" are like greek to me and I have no idea what they are or what the difference is between the two.
Sulphur, thanks so much for the advice. I'm gonna go check out the Cognition thread now and see what I can dig up. That's really what I needed, just a starting point. I'm thinking as of now I will go with the latest Cognition build for a bit and see how that goes.
DirtyRasa, no campus here but I do rely on wi-fi pretty heavily. I use it at home all the time to cut down on charges to my bill for data usage, so that's good to know. Just curious though, are you using the leaked Froyo or the Cognition build? And if you have had both which one do you prefer?
cybercowboy, wasn't trying to jack your thread or anything but I was in search of the same info as well.

mindbuRn said:
And for those wondering why I have been a member for over two and a half years and this is my first post, I have usually been able to find what I need and not had to ask questions.
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More power to you. I see tons of people on here less than a month with hundreds of posts more than me.
-->Back on topic. YES go with Froyo! There are many options available, but for noobs, i'd reccomend the either a DG ROM or the leaked and tweaked.

Thats no problem mindburn. The more information the better. I actually flashed to the leaked froyo last night and so far so good. Gps is still horrible. I think im gonna try the cognition build tonight and see what I like better. Ill let you know.
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Thats no problem mindburn. The more information the better. I actually flashed to the leaked froyo last night and so far so good. Gps is still horrible. I think im gonna try the cognition build tonight and see what I like better. Ill let you know.
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Thanks man, almost sounds as though you are one step ahead of me actually. I get my phone tomorrow and I was going to actually try the leaked first and then cognition. Let me know how things turn out for you and I will in return do the same.

So I got the phone yesterday and let me say, when I got it out of the box I knew I was going to like it. This damn thing looks sexy as hell! Anyway, 10 minutes after I got it I had successfully upgraded to the leaked Froyo and rooted the phone. Everything is going fine and I haven't had any problems thus far. It is at times a little buggy but I have learned that if I kill some of the tasks, the speed seems to improve. I thought about try Cognition today but when I load it up, I've only got the odin.exe, PDA.tar, & PIT.pit. Do I have to have CSC & ETC file mentioned in the program as well? Also, what exactly are these things, I didn't have to do anything like this on the stock Froyo.

U should of done DG's AOSP beta 3! That's what I'm rocking and have had it for almost a month and its amazing! I wanted to use cognition but I read on ppl saying they had bugs or it just wasn't stable for them. But to each their own! Unfortunately when I last checked DG closed the thread on that ROM. Glad to know u got froyo going! I made the switch from an iPhone jailbroken to the captivate and it's amazing! I'm still new to android but u just gotta read everything and their r so many ppl who are willing to help!
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With the announcement of the official froyo coming out in about two weeks, i think i'll just stay where I'm at for right now. I don't wanna try and win the triathlon with only a week training.

mindbuRn said:
So I got the phone yesterday and let me say, when I got it out of the box I knew I was going to like it. This damn thing looks sexy as hell! Anyway, 10 minutes after I got it I had successfully upgraded to the leaked Froyo and rooted the phone. Everything is going fine and I haven't had any problems thus far. It is at times a little buggy but I have learned that if I kill some of the tasks, the speed seems to improve. I thought about try Cognition today but when I load it up, I've only got the odin.exe, PDA.tar, & PIT.pit. Do I have to have CSC & ETC file mentioned in the program as well? Also, what exactly are these things, I didn't have to do anything like this on the stock Froyo.
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The pda and pit file are all you need. he just put everything in those two files. Flashes just fine that way.

Just a quick update for everyone, I am now running the latest Cognition 2.2 BETA 9.1.3. And I *MOD EDIT* love it! This thing is super fast now, pretty amazing really. I also somewhat have my homescreens the way that I want them as well. Only questions to everyone now is what do you all run? What are your must have and go to applications? Like the best of the best kind of thing.
BTW Sulphur, thanks!

mindbuRn said:
Just a quick update for everyone, I am now running the latest Cognition 2.2 BETA 9.1.3. And I *MOD EDIT* love it! This thing is super fast now, pretty amazing really. I also somewhat have my homescreens the way that I want them as well. Only questions to everyone now is what do you all run? What are your must have and go to applications? Like the best of the best kind of thing.
BTW Sulphur, thanks!
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Glad to hear it and no problem. My must have's are Launcher Pro, Root Explorer, xda app, and silly as it sound, beautiful widgets. I dunno. Taste has no template.

[Q] Which ROM is right for me?

There are a ton of ROMS out there for the Captivate and I've tried quite a few of them. However, I'm not sure what the differences are or which one is right for me.
I've heard of:
Cognition, Perception (by Designgears)
FireFly, Phoenix (seems like these are by the same person)
Serendipity
I haven't tried Serendipity or Perception, but I've tried the others I listed. Various ROMS say they are based off of KB1 and JP6 (I probably have these wrong) as well as various other 3-letter names. I'm not really sure what these mean, but I think they relate to the ROM being based off of Android v2.1 or Android v2.2.
Here are a couple of things I'm looking for in a ROM:
Battery life is important to me. Most roms so far have been very good at this so long as I change the Wifi sleep policy to "Only when plugged in". If WIFI is on permanently, my battery life is crap.
I prefer a good theme. FireFly's theme is pretty good. It looks great and has nice window animations.
Must be at least Android v2.2. Gingerbread would be awesome but not a requirement.
Stability. Specifically, all phone/hardware features need to work and there should be minimal bugs. For example, using CM7 for Captivate at this point would be out of the question since it's still so young and I've heard it is unstable/buggy.
Based on what I've tried and my requirements, Cognition probably isn't going to be an option. The last time I used Cognition (when it was v3), it wasn't themed and was just an optimized version of stock.
Firefly, Phoenix and Serendipity all seem to be the same thing but with a slightly varied theme. I'm most confused by this. What are the differences here? If there are technical differences, I'd like to know those too. I think each are based off of different firmwares, right?
Thanks in advance for any guidance.

I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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mcord11758 said:
I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?

void.pointer said:
This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?
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The best place to find any info abt any ROM/kernel would its OP. Try looking there.
Plus there won't be so much use of anyone compiling the differences 'cos a new version would be out every now n then. This is one of the reasons why there is no such thing.
Rather than asking for something generic like this, u could ask more specific questions like say. That way u wud get ur answers sooner.
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I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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I am with this. Cos a kernel that works on mine might not give the same results on urs.
void.pointer said:
Here are a couple of things I'm looking for in a ROM:
Battery life is important to me. Most roms so far have been very good at this so long as I change the Wifi sleep policy to "Only when plugged in". If WIFI is on permanently, my battery life is crap.
I prefer a good theme. FireFly's theme is pretty good. It looks great and has nice window animations.
Must be at least Android v2.2. Gingerbread would be awesome but not a requirement.
Stability. Specifically, all phone/hardware features need to work and there should be minimal bugs. For example, using CM7 for Captivate at this point would be out of the question since it's still so young and I've heard it is unstable/buggy.
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
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1. wifi always has phone searching for it all time the screen is on. So keep it in when screen turns off, or the option u selected.
2. Themes are personal choices. Based on the ROM u choose, u can select theme of ur choice, or make a theme urself. There are guidelines posted.
3. Most ROMs now are 2.2.1. Would be mentioned in the OP.
4. Custom ROMs cannot guarantee that. Devs take all care and iron out issues when they find or when someone tells them abt them.
Check out a few ROMs and settle for one that suits u. And if u plan on putting on custom ROMs, don't bother on keeping ur hands clean. I think I flashed more than a dozen different ROMs before settling for what I am on now. And since I now found what suits me best, been sticking to it.
This is the normal process most people follow here.

void.pointer said:
This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?
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Unfortunately, mcord11758 and diablo009 are right.
The differences are minimal, and you need to research each ROM. The very basics are.
MOST roms right now are running Froyo 2.2.1. Some are still 2.2. The JPY, JS3, JS5, KB1(Stock 2.2) Are, for lack of a better definition, are build numbers.
What you'll need to do is, quite frankly, read up on one that has your interest, flash it and if it doesnt work well for you try another. Each Captivate may respond to a ROM differently to the ROM/Kernel/Modem combination. So you literally have to try it

CM7. Worth it?

I have had my cappy since release and have been flashing roms since. I'm some what of a techie so I have had no issue with the process and feel comfortable flashing CM7, but is it worth it. Should I wait or indulge myself? Thanks for the input.
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Personally I think you should go ahead and try it. It's by far the best rom I have ever ran and don't plan to go back to other roms for a long time if at all. It just runs so smoothly and just has an overall good feel to it. As far as everything is working for me it is very stable and usable no real issues that matter after the most recent update so I absolutely love it

It's worth it to try it. Just try it and see if it fits your tastes.
And if you don't like it, it's worth it to flash back to stock
I tried it and liked it, I just know that the CM7 team is going to be pushing out bigger and better things... It's just a matter of when. So for now, I'm sticking with Cog 4.1 and a custom kernel.

Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm going to give it another week and sed what else they release then I'm going for it!
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Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.

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Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.
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Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.

Known Bugs
Front Facing-Camera (Obviously, as our Cappys don't have Front-Facing Cameras)
Polling problem on RIL (works after lock and unlock)
2G/3G toggle (works if no data connection is active)
Compass (works not at 100%)
USB sharing of external SD-Card
commands: reboot recovery, reboot download (maybe not possible to implement)
FM-Radio
TV-Out
If you're fine with the above, I actually think it's really stable for a Beta. It's up to you The process is a bit hard to do than a normal ROM though.

Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.

Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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It seems he is on a crusader against a lot of things. The eternal pessimist
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I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.
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Lets be fair, there have been tons of threads because someone bricked their phone flashing cognition, serendipity, etc. I have helped some that have soft bricked their phone just trying to root.
There have been hundreds of threads because of odin soft bricks.
I am on two weeks with it on my phone. the issues that exist, if you read, are all avoidable. I am not "claiming" anything other than it is more than stable enough for daily use, but it is a work in progress.
Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend. Treat your phone like the valuable hardware it is, and don't flash if you are unsure
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
CM7

I'm running Juiced 1.2. I love it.

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Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend.
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That's a major caveat in here, seeing how common sense is at a premium these days.
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
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I'm already a mod or admin at several other sites, including a cell phone site. They all have pretty much the same rules and expectations and about the same number of users that disregard both. Mr. Clown and Zelendel do a fine job, but the users also have a responsibility to help out when possible. There are a number of stickies in this subforum specifically for certain ROMs. They were created to help reduce the clutter and keep the forum focused. This thread should have gone there along with a number of others. If people would just take a moment to think before starting a thread, this place would run a lot smoother, especially for those who view it from their devices. Just sayin'.

[Q] best rom for a noob

What's the recommendation for a solid, basic rom I can install on my friend's Captivate? He is most definitely not a power user. He just wants his phone to operate faster and be able to enable wifi tethering. He is currently running on android 2.1, so I figure going up to 2.2 at least will help and I have already rooted it. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Probably the most stock-like ROM you could flash would be Cognition. Great ROM, has all the features you could want.
Alternately, you could run Serendipity if you want the Gingerbread look.. Or a CM7 build if you want actual Gingerbread (though buggier than the other ROMs)

Firstly, right here on the front page is a Q&A section of this forum. That's where a question like this should go.
Regarding the answer -- IMHO its so subjective that it'd be hard to recommend anything other than a stable rom that has mass appeal, usually noted by the amount of replies to a roms thread. In short, cognition would be a good starting point. I used that for a while and had very few problems. I upgraded to cyanogen a few days ago and there are certainly some bits (namely network related) but I consider myself a power user so the added features more than makes it worth it.

Well, first off, I would move this to the Q&A thread.
But I would recommend Precision or Serendipity to flash. Use the theme when flashing Precision if you want something all Black/White. If you'd rather have that stock feel, I'd go with Cognition. It's really all just trying out different ROMs and seeing what you like. All three of those are fast and will enable tethering, but yesterday, AT&T announced they will start charging rooted users tethering fees if they catch you doing it. Theoretically, they won't be able to detect the tethering if you stay under 2GB of data, though.
Hope that helped!

It depends on personal preference, wrong section to post in. Just saying and not trying to be rude

dgrooman said:
What's the recommendation for a solid, basic rom I can install on my friend's Captivate? He is most definitely not a power user. He just wants his phone to operate faster and be able to enable wifi tethering. He is currently running on android 2.1, so I figure going up to 2.2 at least will help and I have already rooted it. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Although the Romitchen.org is closed for some time, their captivate section has the most compatible stuff. I have used three different roms from there and all give me full functionality - GPS (for me this works real great with Navigon), Bluetooth, Wifi, Email, Text etc. without any hassle whatsoever.
I currently have a ROm that i built from there that works great....Can post it up if you want it?
Cheers !
Its 2.2.1

Thanks for the replies and my apologies for posting in the wrong forum. Looks like cognition will be the best one to start him out on. Thanks again

dgrooman said:
What's the recommendation for a solid, basic rom I can install on my friend's Captivate? He is most definitely not a power user. He just wants his phone to operate faster and be able to enable wifi tethering. He is currently running on android 2.1, so I figure going up to 2.2 at least will help and I have already rooted it. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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I'd recommend either Phoenix or FireFly. Both are rock solid, for the beginners FireFly might be better. They are both very good ROMS, and have great suport

kangi26 said:
I'd recommend either Phoenix or FireFly. Both are rock solid, for the beginners FireFly might be better. They are both very good ROMS, and have great suport
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I totally agree with Phoenix or FireFly. Totally stable, fast, and the UI's are great. I also think it's absolutely retarded to repeat the issue with this being in the wrong thread. I swear... some of you have a real issue with power tripping. I'm pretty sure after he read the first post about it he understood pretty well. this is XDA!!! Good job on just throwing out an answer Kangi26! That's what we're all here for. HELP!!!

Designgears makes good roms for those starting off, and good roms, just in general. Back in August when I got my cappy my first rom was I believe his first rom release, [srv] 1.0 or something. It was kinda my gateway drug. But his roms are good for beginners because the process for flashing is very simple, and most of all they're pretty stable. So for people unwilling to do deal with bugs, or are prone to complaining about things they don't want to really understand as yet, designgears offers a variety of solutions.
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just as everyone else has mentioned, make sure to post in the correct section to avoid cluttering the forums.
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Does Firefly unlock/enable tethering or will I still need an app like Wireless Tether? (I did read the first few pages of the official firefly thread but did not see the answer there...)

dgrooman said:
Does Firefly unlock/enable tethering or will I still need an app like Wireless Tether? (I did read the first few pages of the official firefly thread but did not see the answer there...)
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I'm almost 100%, it does. I'm running Phoenix (kind of the big brother to Fire Fly, and it is supported)
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Wahoo a best rom thread, Have not seen one of these in awhile.
Ok Well there is no "Best Rom" Just a "Best for you rom". I have my favs like everyone else but your best bet is to try them out as you see one that catches your eye. No one can tell you what rom you would deem best it.

So what would you say.......

To convince someone that FLASHING the ROM on their GalaxyS or Desire is better than STOCK ROM, most people in general will not do this kind of thing lack of knowledge on the subject plus the thought of breaking it
So in order to make someone feel the need to upgrade from FROYO to GINGERBREAD with S-OFF bootloader etc.......how could you simplify it in a way they will understand

I don't convince them. Its their phone and their prerogative. I do link them up to XDA though, and go through basic benefits like smoother operation, better optics, overclocking, some great root only apps etc. But, in the end, I leave it up to them if they want to flash a Custom ROM or not.
Besides, another reason is because I wouldn't want to play tech support every time when each of them run into potential problems flashing ROMs, or experience ROM bugs. Another thing is that most people I know with Android phones get intimated and give up reading the first few intro threads for their device, no matter how simple.

efcgenius said:
To convince someone that FLASHING the ROM on their GalaxyS or Desire is better than STOCK ROM, most people in general will not do this kind of thing lack of knowledge on the subject plus the thought of breaking it
So in order to make someone feel the need to upgrade from FROYO to GINGERBREAD with S-OFF bootloader etc.......how could you simplify it in a way they will understand
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Some of them simply don't want the hassle.

Gingerbread has security fixes and added features. They like music? What about all those equalizer apps only available to 2.3? I'd also mention the option (for low internal memory devices) that rooting allows (in CM at least) apps to be moved to the SDCard that stock does not. I'm sorry if that wasn't what you were looking for, but those are some reasons I gave Sparky (and He's clueless about this stuff)
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Babydoll25 said:
Gingerbread has security fixes and added features. They like music? What about all those equalizer apps only available to 2.3? I'd also mention the option (for low internal memory devices) that rooting allows (in CM at least) apps to be moved to the SDCard that stock does not. I'm sorry if that wasn't what you were looking for, but those are some reasons I gave Sparky (and He's clueless about this stuff)
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A lot of cool reasons, but most of them just wants a phone that works...
I've been there, and I have managed to get a few (just a few) to move over to Android. Another girl I know is planning to move up to Android as a legitimate smartphone instead of BB. And almost everyone in my church will be switching over to Android (including my pastor). So... I guess tech-evangelism works?

if his your son then sure he will listen to you , but to convince people to do that its quit harder reason because they are afraid maybe or something
usually to convince someone to buy something you have to show him\her what this thing can do , so probably you need to show him some vanilla love or just let him\her suffering of Froyo

3xeno said:
i don't convince them. Its their phone and their prerogative. I do link them up to xda though, and go through basic benefits like smoother operation, better optics, overclocking, some great root only apps etc. But, in the end, i leave it up to them if they want to flash a custom rom or not.
Besides, another reason is because i wouldn't want to play tech support every time when each of them run into potential problems flashing roms, or experience rom bugs. another thing is that most people i know with android phones get intimated and give up reading the first few intro threads for their device, no matter how simple.
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i def got tired of being tech support so now i just say check out xda you wont regret it