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Alright, I really need some help from the big boys here.
I have had my N1 since release. I have T-Mobile and no data plan. Everything I do is over wifi.
On Friday, I saw the 3g icon on my phone for the first time. It appeared out of nowhere and just flips between 3G and E since T-Mobile just blocks data for non-plan users. This was killing the battery life of the phone.
I called Google and they ran me through *#*#4636#*#* to disable the data connection. This fixed the problem for a while; However after a while the phone will give a message that there is no service provider and will reconnect to T-Mobile (it has never done this before outside of phone boots). When it is back up the 3G/E cycling starts again. Even worse the data connection still lists as disabled and will not re-enable. I have to pop the battery out while it is running to get back in to disable it.
Google thinks its an app but I have removed everything but Touchdown and K9 which I don't think are the problem. I have used Android OS Monitor and I do see connections to 64.15.75.218 and 209.44.107.13 which are hot beds for malware and when I uninstall any app these connections vanish temporarily. But they come back after a few hours.
Anyone seen this before or know a way to track IP connections to a particular app?
I have no solution for tracing 'malicious' software but it is possible to just disable all mobile data usage.
Settings/Wireless and network settings/ Mobile networks > "Data enabled"
If you unselect this there should be no more data transfer while on the mobile network.
I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
Problem is I did the same thing for 2.1 but it keeps coming back on. Even with wifi the phone connects to these ips so who knows what it is doing.
3G isn't used only for data, you can do voice on 3G.
Could be T-Mobile expanding 3g into your are where you didn't have coverage before.
Call T-Mobile and make sure you're not actually using data.
As for tracking applications, you can use System Panel Pro of the market to monitor how much data applications are using.
I know I am not using data. The T-Mobile account page is pretty detailed and I am unable to do anything online when wifi is off. 3G has also been available for a while here as I know others that use it.
I will check out system panel.
Thanks.
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I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
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It is indeed only on Froyo, however, Froyo is out now, so install it and you'll instantly benefit.
A few more things:
Were you receiving or sending MMS (picture/video messages) when the 3G icon popped up? This is normal and doesn't usually come out of your data balance.
If you'd like to be triple-sure you're not using data, go into the APN settings. Edit the APN name - e.g. change tmobile.com to nomobile.com. Now it *really* shouldn't be able to access data.
Smarphones would be well to do to have a Zonealarm/little snitch type app for this purpose.
Id imagine ad based apps wouldnt be too happy about it. At the least an app that reports IPs times , and IN/OUT info.
I never use SMS or mms and have not gotten any during this time.
My concern is not related to getting charges but with unwanted use of my phone or data. When the data connection auto enables it will go through my battery in a matter or hours and who knows what the phone may be doing.
I know I can turn this off and make sure data is not used - in fact I have already done this. However when smoke enters room you don't just put a towel under the door and forget about it. I want to find the source of this and stop it because the behavior is not normal.
I agree something like zone alarm would be good. You should be able prevent or track an app activities for situations like this. If I knew what was connecting to these IPs and enabling the data connection I could stop it and report the app or submit a bug request. Right now I am just all alone.
I did try system panel which seems like a nice app but it does not give me good information on network usage by app. OSMonitor is better at connection monitoring but doesn't list by app. Why has no one thought to monitor network threads by app?
Try alogcat maybe? Any time you notice the icon suddenly appearing, save a copy of the logcat and comb through it.
alogcat may work. Figured out OSMonitor had something similar and filtered by app.
Now I just gotta wait I guess. Still not enough info to relate to IP though.
You should know that the data connection setting isn't an enforcement for the entire phone. It only acts as a notice to applications on whether or not to use data in the background.
Developers are supposed to respect those settings, but they are not enforced.
There is a free program called Network Statistics which is no longer in the market. I will backup the apk for you and upload it so you can use it. It shows the amount of data used by each app.
I too had a data hungry app issue and this helped me solve it immediately.
I'm just at work ATM, so I'll do it this evening. (Almost midday now here in Australia )
Cheers,
Ross
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I am aware of this which is why I want to track this problem down.
@Ross
That sounds great. I appreciate the help. Not sure if tracking data usage is enough since I don't think the app is sending a lot of data. But I am willing to try anything.
I should be getting froyo soon so maybe that will help as well.
This is what I do when I want to ensure I don't use Data. Go I. To wireless connections. Mobile Networks, and then access points. Create a new one. I usually call it No Data. The for the apn, I just make something dumb, like no.data.com, and then save. After I'll select that as my apn.
The issue is not about the use of the data connection. I have done this and can guarantee the phone cannot use any cell data network. The problem is an app is trying to use it anyway even when it is disabled. Even if you ignore that as a concerning activity the constant 3G searching reduces the battery life to a mere hours.
I appreciate the help, but my issue is not with how to disable the data connection. Its about identifying malware on my device, and tracking an app calls to a specific IP.
Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
If you only want to use "2g" switch your phone over to gsm only through 4636 or through the menu where it says "use 2g only".
You will never see the 3g icon again.
If you wan't to be 100% sure no app is calling an IP, then do a factory reset. Install apps one by one, monitor them through the various options given in this thread already.
You will not be able to prevent an application from "calling home" unless you modify the app itself. Apps use the data connection provided to them by the OS however they see fit.
Every app you install has a permissions prompt that will tell you it want's internet access.
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Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
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The Android "3G", "H", "E" or "G" icon denotes data. It may also appear temporarily when making the connection necessary to transmit MMS. It does not appear when the phone is using voice over 3G without a data connection.
Actually, this may be a T-Mobile issue - they just enabled the ability to do "pay as you go" data on ALL plans without a data plan, so they may be the ones turning on the ability to do data. You'd still need to authorize it in your browser, and I think it costs about $1/1MB so it is totally not worth it.
May be worth looking into because it wouldn't surprise me if their new "service" is screwing things up.
I am aware of 3G voice but the 3G status icon is related to data flow. I have had the phone since launch and posted this because this behavior is not normal. Even Google was perplexed by what it is doing. And as I said it is not constrained by the 4636 settings.
And I disagree that an app can use the network connection as they see fit. Rights are given to perform its intended purpose; anything else is malicious.
I only signed 200MB/month plan, is there any good tool to monitor daily data usage? Thanks in advance.
3G watchdog seems to have good rating in the market. D/l'd it, but I haven't really used it. Give that a try.
I use Netcounter seems to work fine and is does not have a whole lot of "bling" to it. It just does what you got it for watch how much data you are using.
I use 3g watchdog along with APNdroid. 3g watchdog counts all your usage for the month, and you can set warnings and to shut it off if it goes over a certain usage with APNdroid.
I have my 3G watchdog set to turn off all my data automatically if I get to 99% of my usage using APNdroid. It then turns it back on automatically after the new month starts.
P.S. You can use 'AT&T myWireless' to check your data usage straight from at&t.
I use the AT&T app - it isn't that great.
But.. the AT&T website actually has something useful for those that are curious about their data usage. You can check your past data usage over the past year and gives you a pretty bar graph.
Thankfully mine was well below the 2 gig limit I have for my current plan. Got screwed with my grandfathered data plan since I switched from iPhone to Android
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You sir, are one of my heros!
Now if only every other MAC head would follow your example...
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*data# , it works!
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I use the data counter widget (its in the market), its works fine for me.
I just received a huuuge overage charge (running Serendipity 6.2 if that makes a difference); 550mb in one sitting over 3g! As I had the data connection disabled (via holding the power button & deactivating data network), The only thing which I could've possibly done was watch a 20 minute video on the browser, but again I had my 3g disabled and no 3g coverage in the house anyways. A list of my apps:
3g Watchdog (Which only reported 99mb usage!)
AndChat
Andy-83
Andy-86
Asphalt
Astrid Tasks
Astro
Barcode Scanner
Beautiful Widgets
Chrome to Phone
Contacts
Calculator
Calendar
Camera
Clock
Colordict
Dolphin Browser HD
Droid48
Earth
Flikie Wallpapers HD
FPse
Fruit Ninja
Galcon
Gallery
Gmail
Google Search
Gstrings Free
Goggles
Google Sky
Translate
Handycalc
Internet
Latitude
Linpack for Android
LCDDensity
LbsTestModeLaunch
Listen (not set to download over 3g, haven't refreshed in a few days)
Mangler
Maps
Market
Memo
Messaging
Music
My Files
N64oid
Navigation
Nenamark1
Neocore
News and Weather
Opera Mini
Opera Mobile
Phone
Places
Poweramp
Prey
psx4droid
quake3droid
QUick Settings
Rom Gripper
Rom Gripper ++
Rom Finder (Premium)
Root Explorer
SBMX
Settings
SGS Kernel Flasher
SGS Tools
Stabilitytest v1.4
Stopwatch and Timer
Superuser
Task Manager
Terminal Emulator
TiBu
Voice
Voice Recorder
Voice Search
Voltage Control
Voodoo Control
Youtube
Are there **any** red flag apps there? Does disabling data in the power button menu disable all data in & out of the phone via the data network? Are there any apps that would tell me specifically which app is doing what to my data network?
complain! and be glad you are not on a limited plan on verizon! though i miss the iphone plan which apparently i can get back i never exceed 2gig but the $15 a month plan is not for me.
if that happened in 20 minutes then you had the hsdpa connection bassically saturated the entire time. that is not right! complain and if they argue show knowledge, and if they still argue go higher and show knowledge. there must have been some kind of network error. plain and simple.
EDIT: without 3g coverage that is not even posible!
550mb x 1000 = 550,000kb/20min/60sec=458kB/sec x 8bits per bite is 3670kbps that's about 50% theoretical max transfer on att hsdpa. which is greater than typical speeds in many hsdpa areas. with normal 3g you couldnt do it and with edge you couldnt dream about doing it.
Dani897 said:
complain! and be glad you are not on a limited plan on verizon! though i miss the iphone plan which apparently i can get back i never exceed 2gig but the $15 a month plan is not for me.
if that happened in 20 minutes then you had the hsdpa connection bassically saturated the entire time. that is not right! complain and if they argue show knowledge, and if they still argue go higher and show knowledge. there must have been some kind of network error. plain and simple.
EDIT: without 3g coverage that is not even posible!
550mb x 1000 = 550,000kb/20min/60sec=458kB/sec x 8bits per bite is 3670kbps that's about 50% theoretical max transfer on att hsdpa. which is greater than typical speeds in many hsdpa areas. with normal 3g you couldnt do it and with edge you couldnt dream about doing it.
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is there any possibility of wifi usage statistics being misreported as 3g usage statistics? thank you for the information by the way; will def. call them and complain tomorrow. Also, do you have any specifics on the workings of the powerbutton data disabling feature?
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is there any possibility of wifi usage statistics being misreported as 3g usage statistics? thank you for the information by the way; will def. call them and complain tomorrow.
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not likely. there is a problem but without knowledge of how the network reports these things i cant know if a problem with the rom is even possible and that's where such a problem would have to be if it were reproting wifi usage by mistake. the network is completely independant of wifi but i dont knw where the stats are recorded.
is the 550 mb for the month? did you have data disabled the whole month? can you be sure it was all at once?
edit: anyhow you have 3g watchdog so there is backup and you have the math which is backup. and i can tell you my typical monthly usage is 500-600mb and i dont take any measures to keep it down my data is always on and my sync is on most of the time. unless im using a rom that drains the battery a bit too fast. my iphone 3g was only using 100mb but i used that phone a lot less but i know 99mb in a month is entirely reasonable if you disabled data.
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not likely. there is a problem but without knowledge of how the network reports these things i cant know if a problem with the rom is even possible and that's where such a problem would have to be. the network is completely independant of wifi but i dont knw where the stats are recorded.
is the 550 mb for the month? did you have data disabled the whole month? can you be sure it was all at once?
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The 550mb was recorded as one data entry at 1 specific time under my specifics on the AT&T page; data has been disabled every time unless I specifically enabled it to use it (ie checking gmail, various school sites 4-5 times a week at most; I have good wifi connectivity where I go to school & wherever else I might be). The only thing that I had been doing was watching that 20m video over wifi w/ 3g disabled, and no 3g signal (i just went and double checked; i get 0 bars where I sat to watch).
if you are that carefull then the 99mb sounds right. 550 isn't hard to do but if data is disabled then you would know if you used that much.
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if you are that carefull then the 99mb sounds right. 550 isn't hard to do but if data is disabled then you would know if you used that much.
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Thank you for all of your support. Do you know if there are any good apps for tracking data usage on an app to app basis?
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Thank you for all of your support. Do you know if there are any good apps for tracking data usage on an app to app basis?
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sorry i dont track my data usage other than my bill. like i said 2gig plan is plenty for me so im not that into keeping tabs.
mms uses data as well. it is just a stupid billing practice that most cell providers subscribe to. it isnt that likly that you used that much texting unless you send images/videos constantly or texts are in the thousands, but it is possible in thoery. and i think texts will be charged as data even if data is off on the phone.
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mms uses data as well. it is just a stupid billing practice that most cell providers subscribe to. it isnt that likly that you used that much texting unless you send images/videos constantly or texts are in the thousands, but it is possible in thoery. and i think texts will be charged as data even if data is off on the phone.
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I don't have a texting plan & haven't texted for a while now as email has been sufficient, so I can rule that out.
sounds like you have a legitimate complaint then
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mms uses data as well. it is just a stupid billing practice that most cell providers subscribe to. it isnt that likly that you used that much texting unless you send images/videos constantly or texts are in the thousands, but it is possible in thoery. and i think texts will be charged as data even if data is off on the phone.
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Mms travels over the data network but is separated through the billing system to not be charged as data. Text messages don't use data, they are transmitted to a SMSC using SMS transmission that is housed the same way that voicemail is.
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I have a Nexus One and my wife has a Nexus S. Both phones are stock. We both use a prepaid plan with the same carrier in Rio de Janeiro. We both use a data toggle and only use 3G when we're out, mostly to check in somewhere or use Facebook.
I use my time up 3 times as fast as her and she uses her phone much more than me. I do have many more apps installed on my phone than she does.
I've searched this forum as well as the Market for a solution or an app that monitors 3g usage by program. I find a lot that monitor usage but not that show you the guilty program that is hogging your 3g.
I guess I need a 3G plumber to fix my leak. Any suggestions?
That's an interesting question. I swore I saw something before that monitored the usage and displayed what used what, but I can't seem to find it either.
I'll watch this closely because I'm curious myself. I wouldn't mind watching my usage and see what's what..
There is no app that can track individual apps and what data they use. But there is an app out there called shark reader which shows TCPdump which you then use that app to see everything that is hitting your data connection. But its rather technical. I've always wondered why nobody turned that into a nice app interface to track app data usage.
There's a thread here at xda dedicated to shark reader, just search around for it.
You can monitor data use by individual app with 3G watchdog pro on the market. I also use droidwall to lock down program access by wifi or 3g use.
Here's the links:
3G Watchdog Pro
Droidwall
They have worked well for me, Droidwall is free, 3G Watchdog has a free version but the free version won't break down data use by app, just by overall data use, the Pro version adds usage by individual app.
+1 for 3G Watchdog! Very good customization and data stat's info presentation!
I've been using DataToggle and only turn on 3g when I use it and then turn it off. I have checked my wife's Nexus S settings against my Nexus One and every thing matches (System settings, Facebook, Foursquare, Gmail and etc.) Could there be anything I could check to see what accounts for the difference in data use?
I did receive an e-mail from SPB advertising their SPB Wireless Monitor. It's a $10 app that looks like it would do what I want (I don't mind spending the $10 bucks because I could probably save that much in a month). The problem is when you view the app in the Market, the screen shots (specifically the one for individual app usage) states it may not be accurate. Would hate to throw $10 bucks away if the information is not accurate. Does anyone has any experience with that app?
Some times we'll be sitting at the same table and check in on Foursquare and I'll be on edge and her phone is on 3g. My phone changes from edge to 3g and back again quite often while being in the same location. Her phone does also but not as much as mine. I didn't mention before but both phones are on GB.
There are free apps to do the same thing (breakdown of the data traffic by app). Search the forum, you'll find them.
Plus, she might be spending much more time connected to WiFi than you.
Plus, having much more apps, you might have much more data traffic sources (services that sync data) than her.
I realized what app it was that shows use by app.
The application "monitor" that comes stock with the MIUI ROM breaks it down for use per app (if you click the "firewall" tab when in the Monitor app).
I found it last night when I was searching around.
I've found Network Counter by mapeapps to be pretty good...
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I installed Network Traffic Usage Stats and it seems to be what I need.
Based on a reply to another post on this forum it seems my problem may just be the difference in the radio/antenna on the Nexus One compared to the one on the Nexus S. It seems I'm on Edge more than 3g as opposed to my wife's Nexus S which pretty much stays on 3g.
I forgot. Thanks for all the feed back
It shouldn't matter if you are on Edge or 3G, since data is usually measured in bytes, not minutes. 10 meg is 10 meg, whether on E, 3G, or whatever...?
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I use New Zealand Vodafone, and prepay plan for 3g,
it is only 100mb per month, and when I turned on my 3g about 2 hours, and my vodafone widget showed me 10mb used.
however, I did not touch my phone at all, and 10mb internet usage gone.
I know there are little bit traffic even if I don't use, but 10mb is a lot.
When I used Nexus S there was no issue with 3g, and 100mb was enough..!!!
So, I would ask any guys have had measure 3g usage?
all depends on what apps you are running etc
yeah.. main thing is the background apps. i hope there is some way to find out which apps are using internet at the background.
what you can do is press the power button for a second and you'll get a menu. just deactivate data connection. activate it only when you need something. but obviously, this means you wont get any real time incoming messages from messenger apps. but still you save a lot of data usage.. and battery
There is 3g watch dog or something application is there, you can get idea which application consuming how much data.
100MB is enough??
I'm on a 1GB 3G plan and its been 10 days or so 300mb is already gone and i'm not using the fone for youtube or something. Its just emails, Latitude social networking and whatspping.
I barely use my wifi now as 3G is much faster
This must be a joke right? 2gb a months i have which is quite terrible. Switching to unlimited network soon.
100mb/month? Get a different phone. Without proper internet you disrespect 80% of Note's great functionality!!
Seriously, get some internet
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This must be a joke right? 2gb a months i have which is quite terrible. Switching to unlimited network soon.
100mb/month? Get a different phone. Without proper internet you disrespect 80% of Note's great functionality!!
Seriously, get some internet
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Come on guys. Those kind of deals are not available in New Zealand. How about more useful answers than "have reality be different" ;-)
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In that case just disable data network and use only wifi :/
You can install some network tracker to see which apps use net. Turn off auto updating in abdroid market for all apps
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Wow only 100mb!
I have a limit of 1000mb, which can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but if you use WiFi at home, it is not a big issue.
Anyways, as the others said, use an app to track what uses the data.
I use sometimes only 2-5MB per day with normal use.
I use My Data Manager to keep track of my use , it is a great program, it shows the usage in the drop down menu
Try netcounter or 3g watch dog apps, you can set your own daily weekly monthly alerts, think 3g watch dog can be linked to app called apndroid to cut off usage when limits crossed. But in your situation best to switch off mobile network from settings menu to avoid excessive data charges.
For example I crossed 500 Mb today in less than half hour downloading some games and additional files from gameloft.
Use opera mini browser for decreasing data use when browsing and don't use stock browser when using mobile network.use stock browser only when on wifi in your scenario.switch off all synching in settings menu.switch off roaming in menu as well.but then doing all this you limit the devices capabilities but you have got to do what you need to do to suit your predicament
We have 2gb for 10$/month and 10gb for 20$/month, I think I'm switching to 10gb because I still feel like I limit myself
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Yes 100 MB is quite less, n difficult to manage, when you have lovely G-Note on your Hand.
I am using 500MB/month plan. but actually i do have wifi access at both Home n Work place. I simply managed it with app phoneweaver. It turns on wifi n turns off when i am reaching n leaving from these places. In addition it swithoff data + wifi both just after few min of my sleeping time, as well turns on just before i wakeup.
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Come on guys. Those kind of deals are not available in New Zealand. How about more useful answers than "have reality be different" ;-)
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It might be useful to consider a COMBINATION of options:
1. Consider switing to a 2G network connection if available, as the same is much cheaper than a 3G in your area. Needless to mention, u will have to compromise the speed while on 2G
2. Use Wifi, is appropriate places, and as suggested by Dr.Ketan, u may use apps like phoneweaver etc. to manage the location based switing of wifi/ data network
3. Use apps like 3Gwatchdog to monitor your apps and kill unnecessary data hogers
4. and yes, if u love your note, U MUST HAVE DATA NETWORK or WIFI connection always ON, as or else... u know u are not optimizing you investment on note
5: Last but not the least: I believe, if u can afford a superb device like note, then I am sure its just a matter of "state of mind" to UPGRADE and get ADAPTED to a good 3G scheme. (am based in India, and I am on Vodafone 3G plan of 3GB per month, and I pay INR 850 (thats about USD 16.7 per month), and initially I thought this was too much I am used to this "state of mind"..... just give this a thought my friend
Power Button and Switch "Data Network Mode" off. Forever.
I don't know how you guys survive with 100MB per month. They shouldn't even have a plan like that.
I was able to adapt my non-smartphone data plan to the gNote on ATT
So unlimited costs me 15$/month
I use at least 15GB a month.