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So I have heard that using a task killer app could do more harm then good. Is this true? If not, whats a highly recommend task killer app?
Why you shouldn't use them.
a.n said:
Why you shouldn't use them.
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I read this article via a link from gizmodo and it was very informative. I was using ATK for some time and thought it was doing well. I had no idea that many of the issues I was running into were actually coming from the task killer nixing items I needed running. I realized this after I removed the task killer and installed watchdog.
I am not going to say watchdog was streamlining power house for my phone but, it did allow me to see what was really going on in a much more efficient manner. The information it provides is useful and gives a much better idea of what is consuming all those battery eating clock cycles. I feel more comfortable now knowing what is actually active and whether I need it to be.
Since the change over I have been consuming more battery power but I just changed to Cognition and I have significantly less FCs. This is on top of my recent full time GPS usage and frequent music streaming.
I have been looking at a few apps in the market and I'm seeing more and more suggestions that the apps are a battery drain. How are these users so sure that one particular app is killing the battery? I can't find any way to see that, only the usage setting that shows display, phone idle, wifi and stuff like that.
Are live wallpapers really a battery hog when the device is not in use (display off and no other apps running)?
I'm using Tasker and have several (ok...17) tasker widgets that manage many settings and apps. I also have a few dozen profiles that manipulate tasks that are associated with those widgets. Any consensus that Tasker is a culprit? I do use it for alot of stuff.
Rooted Aria running FR006 (Liberated with Froyo).
duckredbeard said:
I have been looking at a few apps in the market and I'm seeing more and more suggestions that the apps are a battery drain. How are these users so sure that one particular app is killing the battery? I can't find any way to see that, only the usage setting that shows display, phone idle, wifi and stuff like that.
Are live wallpapers really a battery hog when the device is not in use (display off and no other apps running)?
I'm using Tasker and have several (ok...17) tasker widgets that manage many settings and apps. I also have a few dozen profiles that manipulate tasks that are associated with those widgets. Any consensus that Tasker is a culprit? I do use it for alot of stuff.
Rooted Aria running FR006 (Liberated with Froyo).
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I'm assuming that by 'usage settings' you mean -> settings, about phone, battery usage
If so, that should give you more of a breakdown than just what you had listed there...
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I think you can use task manager to see what's running. It's a lot of experimentation . I'm testing itnow and it seems ok . I did a clean install of the sense Rom..( I prefer this UI) I installed no utilities no task killer no Setcpu nothing. I did not install Google voice disabled Google talk. Left background data but unchecked autosync. I put the HTC sync widget on desktop so I can hit it ever so often when I got the itch. Keeping gps WiFi bt off till needed will report back
Searched the market and found 191 task managers. Which dev are you referring to?
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Can someone explain to me why I always have different applications that I didn't specifically start listed in my task killer? I am trying to get a handle on the battery life of my CM7 14 NC. I am pretty new to android and have a hunch that it is something simple that I am missing. TIA.
No one else sees applications running on their NC that weren't implicitly started? Sometimes I look and twitter / facebook will be running even though I didn't start them.
That's pretty much how android works, and it's also the reason why you shouldn't be using a task killer...
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http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
As has already been implied, don't use task killers. Apps start up and shut down on their own and Android has a built in 'task killer'. I found that when I was using a task killer, my phone ran at maybe 10% faster (due to less running on the ram), but the battery life actually was worse by a good margin. IMO, the Nook runs really well (especially if you OC it) and the battery life can better be controlled in other ways. Turning it off when not in use, unlike a phone (because you need it on to make a call, of course), will save a lot of battery. Also, SetCPU can be used to set profiles, they will save you on battery a lot. Disable auto-update and notifications for apps unless you really need them. use the power control and set it to where you can turn the brightness down low on the fly and keep it down unless you need it up. Sure, the screen looks beautiful when bright, but unless you're playing a game or watching a video, you don't need a bright screen.
Sorry for the rant, hope maybe it helps a little. Also, the more updates we have the better battery life will be.
Thanks for the heads up on this. I had not read that article before. I will uninstall the task killer and see what happens to my battery life. The other suggestions about turning off auto updates makes sense also.
JLCollier2005 said:
Also, SetCPU can be used to set profiles, they will save you on battery a lot.
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Donot use setcpu or set profiles with cm7!
luciferii said:
Donot use setcpu or set profiles with cm7!
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why not? I know it has built in monitoring, but it seems to me they work together.
JLCollier2005 said:
why not? I know it has built in monitoring, but it seems to me they work together.
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cm7 already has profiles built into it under the cyanogenmod settings in the settings app! if you run both you are running the same thing twice and wasting both performance and power.
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I had Android for a while, and I remember there was an App that broke down Battery/Cpu usage. It would even keep track of how long the screen was on, what was being used most that could potentially be using the battery more.
Ive yet to see an App like this for WP7, let alone 8. Is it even possible? Or is it just yet another thing impossible due to MS lock down on some aspects of the phone OS?
I really do like this OS, but it seems more and more, MS's lock down really hurts development, preventing Devs from really bringing out the most of the OS and prevents functions and abilities youd normally think would exist.
I can understand the want for an app like this (I had it on android myself), but since switching over to WP8 I don't see the need.
All the apps on here run very well and nothing is going crazy like it does with android. Locking down the OS is a good thing sometimes, devs have a much harder tune creating system level apps that run way out of control or have memory leaks that cause battery to run dry in an hour. The only thing I have done is gone to the background apps in settings and stopped what I didn't want running in there.
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I can understand the want for an app like this (I had it on android myself), but since switching over to WP8 I don't see the need.
All the apps on here run very well and nothing is going crazy like it does with android. Locking down the OS is a good thing sometimes, devs have a much harder tune creating system level apps that run way out of control or have memory leaks that cause battery to run dry in an hour. The only thing I have done is gone to the background apps in settings and stopped what I didn't want running in there.
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I initially thought this when I had WP7 and a Trophy. Now that I have the 920, I would love to have this. Partially just to prove out that using my phone (screen on) and games and other things just eats up the battery like crazy. Others over at WPCentral have also posted issues with the battery. Many people have in fact. It would be very useful to some of us who are experiencing issues.
I know some claim to get over a day or more use out of their 920. I, among many others, could only dream of such a thing, or perhaps achieve it if we just didnt do much with our phones.
I disagree on the lock down. While I get your point, having used Android also, I enjoyed many great apps that just wont ever be possible on WP's. No other email clients, no true 3rd party browser not built on IE, no new keyboards to name a few. Some of these apps I had used on Android really were superior to what Ive seen MS do with WP. Which is why I think sometimes 3rd party Devs or home Devs sometimes can just do things better as well as think outside the box and give us real options. You dont get real options for many thing on WP. Everyone is stuck with the same keyboard, browser, mail, messaging client, etc.
True...but remember, there was a time when nothing like that was available for Android either.
Devs have made things more than possible - granted an open system helps - but don't discount what may become available in the future.
Yes there are battery monitor apps for Windows Phone 8. Battery Level for Windows Phone 8 seems to be the most popular. The nice part is that it will autoupdate the live tile with the battery level and you can add it to the lockscreen to show it there as well. It's not quite as in depth as Android with regards to telling you what is pulling the most power but as others have mentioned on WP8 it's a slightly different mechanic than Android as the background processes are a lot more regulated with regards to how they can do that (as are the developers when making their apps). It would be kind of interesting to see something like Android's built-in battery stats but I honestly haven't really haven't had any problems (not that I was really having problems on Android either).
Battery Measure is similar, and has a free version with ads - live tile, graph over time. etc.
and can you tell us where we can get the battery monitor for th WP 8? I want one...
Battery App
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Yes there are battery monitor apps for Windows Phone 8. Battery Level for Windows Phone 8 seems to be the most popular. The nice part is that it will autoupdate the live tile with the battery level and you can add it to the lockscreen to show it there as well. It's not quite as in depth as Android with regards to telling you what is pulling the most power but as others have mentioned on WP8 it's a slightly different mechanic than Android as the background processes are a lot more regulated with regards to how they can do that (as are the developers when making their apps). It would be kind of interesting to see something like Android's built-in battery stats but I honestly haven't really haven't had any problems (not that I was really having problems on Android either).
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That sound very good but where can I get the apps Battery Level?
I want a rom that includes the following:
1. way to clear all the recent task list with a click, like the pre lollipop stock did.
2. An intermediate option on the volume rocker between vibrate and normal volume with a "meeting mode." where the phone just rings a single beep. Similar to the old nokia phones did.
3. Tethering.
4. Stable and fast and lite.
5. Data defaults to wifi. I have issues getting the wifi webpage to sign in to hot spots unless I turn off cell data.
Anyone have any suggestions
Aosb!
deadave said:
way to clear all the recent task list with a click, like the pre lollipop stock did.
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If you're doing this just so it looks tidy, in case you're unaware this is a bad idea if you do it regularly. Unless of course you're unhappy with how much battery lasts and want to make it last less.
Looking through a hundred open apps is a lot more of a pain than plugging my phone in to get charged. I appreciate your concern for my battery life.
Most ROMs have #1, the lightest is probably Clean ROM. They all have #3. None have #2. No ROM will do better at #5 than stock.
deadave said:
Looking through a hundred open apps is a lot more of a pain than plugging my phone in to get charged. I appreciate your concern for my battery life.
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I agree that I think Google made a mistake with recents. It should just reflect cached apps. Hopefully custom ROMs will implement a modified version. But many people don't understand then associated drain caused by always clearing recents so on the off-chance that you didn't, I thought I'd let you know about it.
You never have to go more than a few apps back to find your recently cached apps so you shouldnt ever have to look through a hundred apps. They're just in the background
How do you even know it causes more drain? Have you taken multiple nexus 6 and controlled for all variables such as apps, age of device etc and compared them with statistical analysis for significance?
deadave said:
How do you even know it causes more drain? Have you taken multiple nexus 6 and controlled for all variables such as apps, age of device etc and compared them with statistical analysis for significance?
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Not sure if its an internet language barrier but your post reads as if you're being confrontational.
Its common sense. Android is designed to cache apps for quick retrieval. If you open an app cold, it uses significantly more CPU cycles to open up than a cached app. More CPU cycles = More power uses = shorter batter life. If you're constantly clearing recents and always starting your regularly used apps up from cold, you will take a battery hit. I don't need to do a statistical analysis for this fact, in the same way I don't need statistics to prove that one day, we'll be dead.
It's an assumption. I can make the same argument right back at you. Pulling up the task list and displaying 20 items and scrolling use plenty cpu cycles.
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It's an assumption. I can make the same argument right back at you. Pulling up the task list and displaying 20 items and scrolling use plenty cpu cycles.
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Actually it is not an assumption. Its a fact. And science! I can't believe you could even think it was an assumption, unless you don't understand CPU cycles, energy use or the principles of caching..
And no, the argument you're presenting does not use extra CPU cycles. I've come to the understanding that you are indeed being intentionally confrontational. I was just trying to help in case you didn't understand this concept - as a warning. To be honest I dont care if you waste CPU. I just wanted to let you know in case you were.
Let's not have this turn into you being an anti-vaccer that doesn't believe in measles.
I'm an inquisitive not confrontational, and you have not proven your point. Though if you actually worked on the android OS team I'd take your word for it. I don't take most people's words for anything. The media is full of lies, the government are all thieves and liars. Trust no one. Many published publications have been redacted and falsified.
However, suppose you are correct.
So how many items do you have on your recently used list? You don't find it the least bit inefficient searching through all the clutter on your recently used list.
-Dead
deadave said:
I'm an inquisitive not confrontational, and you have not proven your point. Though if you actually worked on the android OS team I'd take your word for it. I don't take most people's words for anything. The media is full of lies, the government are all thieves and liars. Trust no one. Many published publications have been redacted and falsified.
However, suppose you are correct.
So how many items do you have on your recently used list? You don't find it the least bit inefficient searching through all the clutter on your recently used list.
-Dead
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OK if you're simply being inquisitive, then I apologise for that assumption.
Well the beauty of it is you don't need to take my word for it. You can research the subject yourself. Whether you believe me or not though, it is a fact that android caches apps and that cached apps take fewer CPU cycles to open than an uncached app. You can even find some statements from the Greenify developer stating this if you're so inclined.
As for my recent a list, I have 122 items. I only use recents to switch between open and cached apps. I'd say I probably never go more than 10 apps back in that list so anything in there over that amount is irrelevant to me. Yes it is quicker to find an app in my app drawer or from my pie / glovebox shortcuts than way back in my recents list since the recent list is only sorted in order of when I last used it. Recents is only really for quick task switching. I did already agree that anything that isn't cached is pretty pointless appearing on recents and I have no idea why they decided to design it like this but it doesn't bother me much because of the way I use recents. Also, since I would much rather use a cached app than start cold, I'd also rather not clear recents. You don't even need to use the recents interface anyway. Whether you call an app from the recents list or the drawer, if its cached, it will load it quicker and more efficiently. As long as its not cleared from recents..
I found some vague reference that if you clear an app from the recent list it doesn't even close the app process it just goes away from the list depending on the specific app.
In the end I don't really care if it uses more cpu cycles, I just want it not cluttered. I don't need to show my phone to a significant other and have them see every recent app I went to. I favor privacy and less clutter over cpu cycles. It was a mistake on google's part not to leave it up to the user.
I'm also not sure why it's such a pain in the butt to find a way to have a setting to have a single ring without it repeating. I made my own ring tone with a single beep and 30 seconds of silence but it still sucks because I can't easily switch back and forth without installing another app for profiles and such making it a lot more complicated...
deadave said:
I found some vague reference that if you clear an app from the recent list it doesn't even close the app process it just goes away from the list depending on the specific app.
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If the app is coded against googles guidelines, that could be the case though I've never found one that does that. Its quite an easy test to do too.
Open an app that's in recents then minimise it. Clear from recents again and if it opens fresh, its working as Google intended
Anyway, you don't care and nor do I so o suppose I should let you continue with the initial purpose of the thread
im always closing/clearing my recents. whatever battery drain that it causes me is so very minimal that it really doesnt matter.
simms22 said:
im always closing/clearing my recents. whatever battery drain that it causes me is so very minimal that it really doesnt matter.
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The more you do it and the more you use the apps you're clearing, the worse it is. More so of you're just blanket clearing them all. Regardless of whether you perceive a difference or not, its a real thing. Efficiency, battery and performance all take a hit and that's what its there for. Oh and convenience of course. Its awful if you're in a thread on tapa talk and then check something really quick then you have to load the app up again and find the thread.
rootSU said:
The more you do it and the more you use the apps you're clearing, the worse it is. More so of you're just blanket clearing them all. Regardless of whether you perceive a difference or not, its a real thing. Efficiency, battery and performance all take a hit and that's what its there for. Oh and convenience of course. Its awful if you're in a thread on tapa talk and then check something really quick then you have to load the app up again and find the thread.
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i guess my app choices are so that it doesnt bother me then. tapatalk will never live on any devices i own! but really, i dont really see any kind of hit in battery drain what so ever.
simms22 said:
i guess my app choices are so that it doesnt bother me then. tapatalk will never live on any devices i own! but really, i dont really see any kind of hit in battery drain what so ever.
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I wouldn't use Tapatalk if the forum theme was better. I know you use an older one but on a computer the newer one is better but in a mobile browser it kills too much space.
That said when I installed Firefox, I changed the theme and it didn't change in chromium so maybe the theme is tracked in cookies? If so I'd happily change it on my phone. Though I do like the "participated" tags on the latest theme.
Sorry @deadave for the off topic.
rootSU said:
I wouldn't use Tapatalk if the forum theme was better. I know you use an older one but on a computer the newer one is better but in a mobile browser it kills too much space.
That said when I installed Firefox, I changed the theme and it didn't change in chromium so maybe the theme is tracked in cookies? If so I'd happily change it on my phone. Though I do like the "participated" tags on the latest theme.
Sorry @deadave for the off topic.
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i like that 2010 theme for its simplicity, that and the no ads when youre a rc(like us), and the simplicity of the aosp browser, and im happy. i guess its just about what you yourself are more used to and familiar with
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.recently
As for the recents issue, just use this. You can limit what shows (cached vs lifetime with limits to both) as well as a clear all (and cahinfire advises against for reasons already discussed)