Hello Everyone,
I am new to the forum, but not totally new to rooting and flashing ROMs. I have a MT3G (second android phone to come to the market...yes I'm old school ), rooted and flashed CM7-Gingerbread 2.3.3 and it's working very well.
I also managed to buy a NookColor, immediately rooted it and flashed phiremod nook v5.1. and everything is very good. My Quadrant Score is 1485
However, what I've noticed is that if I compare the battery usage on mytouch 3g vs the nookcolor I see something interesting and I think it might have to do with the overall battery drain I've noticed on the nook....I'm hoping someone here can shed some light.
When I go to my settings > about tablet > battery use, I can see a graph on the top. If I click it, it shows a nice relationship between time (x-axis), battery % (y-axis) and underneath it are 5 variables (Phone Signal, Wi-fi, Awake, Screen on, Charging). These variables are key because you can see what is really draining a battery.
See the two attached images. One is from mytouch 3g and the other is the nook. What you can see is that when my nook is sleep, it drains a lot faster than MT3G and in fact what you see is that the PHONE SIGNAL is constantly on, where when my MT3G is sleep, the PHONE SIGNAL IS NOT....
Is there a way to completely remove this 'phone signal'...I suspect we can get more battery life out of our nook if we can just remove this!!!
Thanks for reading.
easy to do if you have adb.. otherwise use terminal.
rename the following files in /system/app
Mms.apk
TelephonyProvider.apk
Phone.apk (phone will keep forceclosing.
reboot.
If you are not using adb, just force power off using the power button.
When it comes up, you will have much better battery life.
Yeah, I saw that posted somewhere, and I've done that. So does the phone signal still appear on yours after you renamed it?
I wonder if this procedure is enough.....
labrazil said:
Yeah, I saw that posted somewhere, and I've done that. So does the phone signal still appear on yours after you renamed it?
I wonder if this procedure is enough.....
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Enough to remove Phone from being listed in Spare Parts? Yep. It won't change anything.
CM7 is really bad with the battery. It doesn't sleep properly. The phone or lack of phone has nothing to do with it. It doesn't have a cell radio after all ;-)
Apparently there is a bug and it crashes or something? when it sleeps. I read that the devs just disabled sleep until they can get it fixed. I think that will probably happen after video is all working.
It still easily lasts through the day with a fair bit of use though. I just charge every night instead of every third ;-)
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CM7 is really bad with the battery. It doesn't sleep properly. The phone or lack of phone has nothing to do with it. It doesn't have a cell radio after all ;-)
Apparently there is a bug and it crashes or something? when it sleeps. I read that the devs just disabled sleep until they can get it fixed. I think that will probably happen after video is all working.
It still easily lasts through the day with a fair bit of use though. I just charge every night instead of every third ;-)
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Okay, so it's safe to assume that the devs are working on this for future ROMs/Kernals? I really like my nook even though I just got the wifi-xoom today.
There's already been a 20+ page thread on this, where comparitive testing found no actual diference in battery life by removing those functions. The result is a purely cosmetic change where the power consumed under "cell standby" is shifted to "phone idle" or something else, I forget exactly. Any perceived improvements in battery life are a placebo effect and/or simply the result of the variables in different day-to-day usage.
Removing them also causes Market problems with certain apps not showing up due to "incompatibility" with devices lacking those functions, which I suspect is why they are not removed in the first place.
The NC's "high" power drain on CM7 is because it's not allowed to actually sleep due too a kernal bug which prevents it from reliably waking up. This will get fixed eventually. Right now, "sleep" simply turns off the screen.
Hey Guys, I've posted in other conversations about bad battery life with blitzkrieg and it seems pretty split down the middle between those who experience good battery life and those who don't. I did follow the advice and wait several days after I re-flashed blitz and my battery has yet to level out. I keep background data off at night when I go to bed, I went to bed with 93% battery left and woke up 7 hours later with a 23% battery life - while the phone was at rest.
I also have a problem about once every two days my phone will freeze up and restart. When it happens it just gets froze on screen and the whole phone vibrates for 20-30 seconds and then restarts.
Has anyone experiences these problems and found a solution to them? Should I change my settings at all?
I really don't want to get an extended battery but with the life my phone is currently getting I don't see much more of an option.
Thanks guys,
The phone freeze/reboot is a known issue with no known resolution. Before I dropped my last phone it had that problem consistently from stock v4 through every variant of the ota updates, revolt roms, gingervolt roms, kennels, scripts, no scripts, blah blah etc.
Now, however, I picked up a second Revo and have run it through gb and flashed gv 1.3, blitz 2.1 and various scripts and tweaks virtually mirroring my old device. I did that Monday morning and haven't had a single instance yet! These guys here do awesome work..
As for the battery draining, I haven't put my extended battery back on this phone yet because I was curious how the stock would perform with these mods. For the first couple days I was discharging at an even 10% an hour. Yesterday and today its dropped to 7.5%. Why? No damn idea. But I can live with that.
So, nothing terribly helpful here but just a disclaimer that your mileage may vary and a nod to the devs here doing kickass work. Good enough that I actively went looking for another Revo instead of fussing with a second line upgrade. That speaks volumes.
Oh yeah I'm not dissing the devs at all they're great!
The revo is a strange device all the reboots due to GPS and airplane mode I'm sure is a hardware fault because every revo I've had has done it and I'm on my third. I love blitz and can't live without my overclock lol I'm just wondering if there's special settings or CPU governors I'm not using that would help.
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I've used CPU Master and am on ROM toolbox now. Can't say I've seen a significant difference between the two as far as battery goes. I've used both ondemand and smoothass, same deal.
I did have some luck limiting reboots on my first by bumping up the min to 768 but haven't needed to bother on this phone so its 2 something. No extra settings or anything. : )
Guess it's just the screwy differences in hardware that make some a better build quality than others. Well I said I wouldn't do it, but I lied...
I'm restoring to my GV 1.3 pre-blitz image as I type this. Guess I like battery over performance, we'll see...I may be back to blitz.
Can somebody explain the difference between ondemand and smoothass. I still don't understand them that well. Thanks!
I didn't read the whole thread but seeing profiles for the kernel helps a lot like when my screen is off my phone is set to minimum on the min and max which sometimes causes lag turning on but once the screen comes on it's up and running fine. At that level if I keep the screen off it takes nearly an hour to drop a percent.
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Perhaps this is not the best reference but here is one about charging your Lion battery:
This link won't paste:
[URL="http://dottech.org/tipsntricks/17705/tip-condition-your-new-cell-phones-battery-to-make-it-last-longer-but-be-sure-to-condition-it-properly/[/URL]
It points out two possible issue:
1) over discharge (perhaps our meters account for this,
2) getting the battery hot, my phone does warm up setting on the charger, sounds like the usb port charging might be better for the battery?
I know there are countless threads/topics regarding high battery usage re p880, but I didn't want to resurrect an old thread, or hijack someone else's, so if I'm wrong in creating this thread, then I apologise.Can someone please tell me what exactly this service is/does, as it seems to be the biggest problem regarding my lousy battery life.. phone just sees it as android system (pic 3) where as BS+ sees system back up service. As i have backup disabled, this is puzzling me.
Thanks in advance,
Edit: in the time it took to write this message, ive lost 14% in battery, including the time it took to screenshot.
Edit 2: Ah, now im back on PC i can type properly.
been playing around, disabling system backup service, but a new process just gets launched in its place, from key chain, to LocMgrProvider...seems as you disable one, another replaces it, all using same battery. Must i just accept, that the android system is just going to eat my battery?..like cookie monster at the biscuit counter?
If it helps, im running stock 4.0.3, freshly flashed, with F/reset, unrooted.
Thanks in advance, and any help is very much appreciated,
Sun
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SunHounD said:
I know there are countless threads/topics regarding high battery usage re p880, but I didn't want to resurrect an old thread, or hijack someone else's, so if I'm wrong in creating this thread, then I apologise.Can someone please tell me what exactly this service is/does, as it seems to be the biggest problem regarding my lousy battery life.. phone just sees it as android system (pic 3) where as BS+ sees system back up service. As i have backup disabled, this is puzzling me.
Thanks in advance,
Edit: in the time it took to write this message, ive lost 14% in battery, including the time it took to screenshot.
Edit 2: Ah, now im back on PC i can type properly.
been playing around, disabling system backup service, but a new process just gets launched in its place, from key chain, to LocMgrProvider...seems as you disable one, another replaces it, all using same battery. Must i just accept, that the android system is just going to eat my battery?..like cookie monster at the biscuit counter?
If it helps, im running stock 4.0.3, freshly flashed, with F/reset, unrooted.
Thanks in advance, and any help is very much appreciated,
Sun
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that's... waaaaaay too much. why are you on ICS anyway?
my suggestion is - factory reset from stock recovery (warning: your internal sd card will be fully formatted). in case you don't care about ICS, i strongly suggest JB. if you don't care about voiding warranty, i strongly suggest unlocked bootloader + custom rom and kernel. oh and also, grab better battery stats app, it shows an easier-to-understand overview when compared to apps you used
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that's... waaaaaay too much. why are you on ICS anyway?
my suggestion is - factory reset from stock recovery (warning: your internal sd card will be fully formatted). in case you don't care about ICS, i strongly suggest JB. if you don't care about voiding warranty, i strongly suggest unlocked bootloader + custom rom and kernel. oh and also, grab better battery stats app, it shows an easier-to-understand overview when compared to apps you used
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Thanks for such a quick reply.
I'll tell you the scenario, as quick as i can make it.
had the phone 2 weeks, got it on a 24mnth contract ( i know, sigh)
anyway, updated it to JB (4.1.2?) through LG pc suite, but thought the battery life seemed to be worse, so i downgraded with LG flash tool, to ics.
after a F/reset, i rooted, then F/Reset again, but it seemed sluggish.
the long and short of it is, ive gone up to JB twice, and down to ICS twice, rooted and unrooted twice, disabled a whole HOST of stock bloatware, and am still left with similar results as posted in the pics.
ATM ive a clean ICS and im at a loss as to what to do. ive been reading all the threads about improving battery, culling the bloatware apps etc before i decided to post.
as for bootloader, i will probably do that sometime in the future, when im more knowledgeable on the subject. at present, i dont want to be left with a 2 year contract to a brick
thanks again,
ps: you say better battery stats is better than battery stats plus?...will download now, thanks
Sun
interesting situation. it's strange that sluggishness persisted between factory resets and .dz flashes back to 10x version.
first off, how does the phone behave when you're not using it? is it draining battery bad? is it going into deep sleep? what are the percentages of cpu states (you can check this in better battery stats, as battery stats plus seems to be too clunky for me to read proper info)?
if it's deep sleeping properly, then yeah, the issue is with something sucking up the juice while screen is on. next off, check cpu states - if it's locked at 1.5ghz often, when you have screen on but doing nothing, it's significant info.
what i've noticed with display, you can count up to 3:30 hours of onscreen time with stock rom (this is with very conservative use of wifi and data during this period, and no heavy gaming for example) - that's around 200 minutes of on screen time, meaning you should get around 2 minutes of screen on per 1% of reduction in battery - how far are you from this result?
i hope we manage to get to the bottom of this, but i still recommend unlocking bootloader and flashing custom kernel and/or rom. you can't really brick o4x while unlocking bootloader afaik, and you've done more complex operations when switching from 20a to 10h than bootloader unlock is.
I would go the other way to be honest. If you do a full factory reset, install no apps, no Google account or anything and still get a similar problem with the battery drain then I would take the phone back for replacement as that is abnormal.
No point running a risk with your warranty when might be a hardware fault.
It's midnight here now so can't really test it till.morning now. When phone is in standby, it seems to hold.its juice ok. I'm sat here now, with nothing switched on except WiFi, screen at 23% brightness , and am just using tapatalk and I'm getting 2-3 mins per 1% screen. Less if I play in the menus. First thing tomorrow, I'll reset the phone again, before dl'ing any apps. Then I'll only download BBS and see how I get on. I'll also.monitor battery loss over night.
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after i wrote the above last night, i decided to watch a movie on my phone in bed.(headphones, dont wanna disturb the missus ) and i managed to watch a movie of 2hrs 10 mins, with 23% battery drain, on stock video player, yet just browsing through the phones menus/ light web surfing, eats the juice like crazy.
left phone off charge over night, and didnt even have a 1% drop in 7 hours (wifi off,sync off, data always off(dont use it)) and phone set to 2g mode
Sun
current set up
Right,
I've performed another F/reset, and rooted. Installed TB pro, and uninstalled/frozen a skew of apps/services as listed per the thread in my sig.
Installed better battery stats, charged phone to 100% took off charge, and am just waiting to see how it goes now. Would you recommend using phone as normal while BBS collects its info, or to let the phone alone for a while?
thanks again,
Sun
SunHounD said:
Right,
I've performed another F/reset, and rooted. Installed TB pro, and uninstalled/frozen a skew of apps/services as listed per the thread in my sig.
Installed better battery stats, charged phone to 100% took off charge, and am just waiting to see how it goes now. Would you recommend using phone as normal while BBS collects its info, or to let the phone alone for a while?
thanks again,
Sun
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you can leave it alnoe during night to check if it deep sleeps properly, right now you're interested in cpu states option in bbs, to see if it uses too much cpu when doing normal tasks such as surfing, reading, watching/listening media etc. your goal is to get over 2 mins per 1% drain (in the end, over 3 hours of onscreen time with no heavy gaming). with those stats, your can say that your phone is draining normally, just that lg reports stupid stuff (f.e., stock roms report screen as using 20% of the battery, while in reality screen is using waaay more, the most actually)
Thanks Flying_Bear, I'll refrain from doing any more resets etc for the rest of the day, see how the readings progress and post on that tomorrow, after overnight analysis.
This piece of one of your previous posts just stuck in my mind:
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i hope we manage to get to the bottom of this, but i still recommend unlocking bootloader and flashing custom kernel and/or rom. you can't really brick o4x while unlocking bootloader afaik, and you've done more complex operations when switching from 20a to 10h than bootloader unlock is.
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TBH, from everything I've been reading on it, it kind of scared me off the subject, but to see you say it was less complicated than what I've already done, has got me to thinking.
The biggest thing for me at the minute, before considering that, it to rule out faulty hardware. At least if thats the case, i still have warranty intact.
Is the performance increase really that noticeble after flashing custom kernels/roms?
Thanks again for your time,
Sun
no.
apart from everyone here praising custom roms and kernels, DON'T flash a custom rom, when you are concerned about battery.
the best rom out there regarding battery life is by far a stock rom, be it 4.0.3 or 4.1.2.
the worst thing about the custom roms is WiFi. with stock i was able to let WiFi run through the night with less than 1% loss per hour.
on every custom rom my battery needs at least 5% per hour for WiFi, but most of the time even more. its just not useable.
shortly followed by 3g network, which has a much bigger battery drain than stock, too.
i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
BUT...
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
OR:
you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
Because you noticed your battery drain with 4.1.2, too, then i suspect a badly coded app. these are the reason for nearly every battery drain (and the reason for wakelocks, too) apart from bad drivers in custom kernels, like the WiFi desaster all the custom rom users have here.
I think the only reason I would consider custom roms, is a performance increase.... If it wont give me one, then I see no point in going down that route.
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i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
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Totally agree, its why I refuse to enable data in the first place.
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
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when I took the original screenies, in OP, I didnt really have much in the way of apps on it. I'd not long before done a clean flash, then removed some of the bloatware that came with it.
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you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
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At first yes... hey it was a new toy at the time. Novelty wore off about day 3 though.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
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yeah, it handled a movie quite well, I was quite pleased with this. When i said messing with the menu, I just meant exploring the phone; no custom/3rd party launchers, no messing with Dev stuff.
At the minute now, the only extra apps on my phone are XDA Dev app, tapatalk4, BBS, TB-pro and root uninstaller pro.
Oh, and can I ask.... aside form the ability to "pimp" your phone out, or the extra customization, is there any benefit to flashing custom roms? As it cant be for better performance....
thanks
Sun
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no.
apart from everyone here praising custom roms and kernels, DON'T flash a custom rom, when you are concerned about battery.
the best rom out there regarding battery life is by far a stock rom, be it 4.0.3 or 4.1.2.
the worst thing about the custom roms is WiFi. with stock i was able to let WiFi run through the night with less than 1% loss per hour.
on every custom rom my battery needs at least 5% per hour for WiFi, but most of the time even more. its just not useable.
shortly followed by 3g network, which has a much bigger battery drain than stock, too.
i am on CM and different kernels for some month now and i consider going back to stock, because i want to leave WiFi on in the night, otherwise my phone eats up my 100MB free 3G traffic way too fast.
BUT...
the reason for your battery hungry phone is not the ROM, the kernel or the phone itself.
your battery drain is absolutely absurd for stock ROM and can only be caused by badly programmed apps you have running.
OR:
you have your phone relatively new and play with it EVERY FRICKIN MINUTE, which would be an explanation, too.
you said, you were able to watch a whole 2h movie with only 23% loss, that sounds like the stock ROM i know. on custom you would lose around 50% for this. but when your phone loses battery when you "play with the launcher", you maybe have installed a 3rd party launcher, that eats your power, are using facebook/skype/whatsapp/(insert any other badly coded program, that has no push mode), or have just fiddled with the developer settings a bit too much.
Because you noticed your battery drain with 4.1.2, too, then i suspect a badly coded app. these are the reason for nearly every battery drain (and the reason for wakelocks, too) apart from bad drivers in custom kernels, like the WiFi desaster all the custom rom users have here.
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yeah wifi can drain too much, but i had almost same stats on custom as on stock - 3-4% per hour if wifi is left on, with sync on and push notifications and blabla. you've got things going great if you have 1% per hour with wifi on.
lg has crammed up a whole lot of **** inside their stock rom - apart from useful stuff like proper mhl drivers, quickmemo, nice gallery & video apps, it's bloated to hell - mlt logging, ****ty launcher (imo), widgets that only work on stock launcher, "smart log service", RIDICULOUS throttling etc). you can root and uninstall most of these, but even then you might not get what you're looking for.
my best onscreen time on stock 4.1.2 20a/20b was 3 hours 3 minutes. that's with conservative use of wifi, 3g and almost no gaming. on custom rom & kernel, today i pumped out 3 hours 37 minutes, and was on 17% battery, when i plugged it in in order to recharge it. that was an obvious increase for me (keep in mind there were custom rom/kernel combinations that had me pulling barely 2 hours onscreen time).
you need unlocked bootloader for custom kernels, and say what you say but proper kernels ARE battery savers and performance enhancers. stock kernel has for some people insane issues with baseband_xmm wakelock (for me it was rediculous, 6% per hour drain when not using a phone and no deep sleep at all) and wipes didn't help with that; only custom kernel fixed it. it has RIDICULOUS (for emphasys) throttling effect, slowing your cores down to 1ghz each when battery hits 43 degrees celsius (which for me was around 20 seconds of normal usage on a hot day outside), which leaves you crippled if you're planning on doing any complex action with your phone.
alternative is - unlock bootloader, check custom roms and see if you like'em (Zaiben is f.e. debloated and improved stock, something OP might like, or he can go cm, or carbon or any other if he prefers custom features). if you don't, it's easy to flash a .kdz file back.
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yeah wifi can drain too much, but i had almost same stats on custom as on stock - 3-4% per hour if wifi is left on, with sync on and push notifications and blabla. you've got things going great if you have 1% per hour with wifi on.
lg has crammed up a whole lot of **** inside their stock rom - apart from useful stuff like proper mhl drivers, quickmemo, nice gallery & video apps, it's bloated to hell - mlt logging, ****ty launcher (imo), widgets that only work on stock launcher, "smart log service", RIDICULOUS throttling etc). you can root and uninstall most of these, but even then you might not get what you're looking for.
my best onscreen time on stock 4.1.2 20a/20b was 3 hours 3 minutes. that's with conservative use of wifi, 3g and almost no gaming. on custom rom & kernel, today i pumped out 3 hours 37 minutes, and was on 17% battery, when i plugged it in in order to recharge it. that was an obvious increase for me (keep in mind there were custom rom/kernel combinations that had me pulling barely 2 hours onscreen time).
you need unlocked bootloader for custom kernels, and say what you say but proper kernels ARE battery savers and performance enhancers. stock kernel has for some people insane issues with baseband_xmm wakelock (for me it was rediculous, 6% per hour drain when not using a phone and no deep sleep at all) and wipes didn't help with that; only custom kernel fixed it. it has RIDICULOUS (for emphasys) throttling effect, slowing your cores down to 1ghz each when battery hits 43 degrees celsius (which for me was around 20 seconds of normal usage on a hot day outside), which leaves you crippled if you're planning on doing any complex action with your phone.
alternative is - unlock bootloader, check custom roms and see if you like'em (Zaiben is f.e. debloated and improved stock, something OP might like, or he can go cm, or carbon or any other if he prefers custom features). if you don't, it's easy to flash a .kdz file back.
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Hi Flying_ Bear, can you pl confirm what combo of rom and kernel is giving you 3 hr 37 min of screen on time and which ones to avoid (ones that gave you 2 hrs)?
Carbon rom 4.2.2 version with iodak v7 had the best onsceen. Id say stock was worst, 2hrs 45mins of onscreen with no gaming and low brightness, with stock kernel
I switched to ART mode mode this morning since I read that its faster and wanted to give it a go. However I have read about it but am not totally an expert. When I switched over it booted then rebooted to the ATT logo and hung. I had to use the 3-button combo to get back again after a huge heat up.
Anyway I now notice that in the RAM manager from the home screen I get for example 1.24gb/1.81 like normal and now where I would have had the same reading in Applications Manager In Settings I now get 0.98gb used - 870mb free in "Running". The way it reads seems to have changed and doesnt match the other.
Is any one else using ART and can share some experience on this at all.
Ive Also seen a post about someone mentioning bad signal on ART...?
Cheers.
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I switched to ART mode mode this morning since I read that its faster and wanted to give it a go. However I have read about it but am not totally an expert. When I switched over it booted then rebooted to the ATT logo and hung. I had to use the 3-button combo to get back again after a huge heat up.
Anyway I now notice that in the RAM manager from the home screen I get for example 1.24gb/1.81 like normal and now where I would have had the same reading in Applications Manager In Settings I now get 0.98gb used - 870mb free in "Running". The way it reads seems to have changed and doesnt match the other.
Is any one else using ART and can share some experience on this at all.
Ive Also seen a post about someone mentioning bad signal on ART...?
Cheers.
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I don't have root or anything to flash, why not test art?
I do notice a disparity as well, but mine is a little less prevolent-- my variation i think is as simple as fluctuation between redraw in between the two screens. I get 870/874used 0.96/0.95free-- I will say though, it seems to use a little less ram.
I live in a very strong signal area and that said, i don't see any signal difference. I do know some low areas so i can update once I've visited.
I did encounter the lockup at AT&T, that just required a reboot.
Yeah mate with no root for Roms I thought why not try it. I use a third party launcher called lucid and do notice a big improvement in scrolling between home screens and apps relaunching. I was a bit concerned about the different readings in the 2 ram managers and the freeze on boot but so far no issues. Just wondering how others are going and if they are using it since it wasn't in other Samsung devices too.
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Yeah mate with no root for Roms I thought why not try it. I use a third party launcher called lucid and do notice a big improvement in scrolling between home screens and apps relaunching. I was a bit concerned about the different readings in the 2 ram managers and the freeze on boot but so far no issues. Just wondering how others are going and if they are using it since it wasn't in other Samsung devices too.
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I use Nova Launcher, tried Aviate and Atom, I'll look at Lucid.
I also turned off all animation transitions in Dev mode. It's snappy enough to fly between screens instantly, also if you're not aware-- old pro move-- go into S-Voice(if you don't use it, but nobody does) and disable the double tap home function and then home key lag will be gone and the phone FLIES.
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I use Nova Launcher, tried Aviate and Atom, I'll look at Lucid.
I also turned off all animation transitions in Dev mode. It's snappy enough to fly between screens instantly, also if you're not aware-- old pro move-- go into S-Voice(if you don't use it, but nobody does) and disable the double tap home function and then home key lag will be gone and the phone FLIES.
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Cheers mate I'll give that a go. Lucid is a good launcher if you like vertical scrolling. I prefer that on these slightly bigger screens. Also icon resizing. Only set back is no folders. It's also got a side panel for short cuts just like in AOKP. You gotta like it or you will find it hard to get use to I guess.
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Cheers mate I'll give that a go. Lucid is a good launcher if you like vertical scrolling. I prefer that on these slightly bigger screens. Also icon resizing. Only set back is no folders. It's also got a side panel for short cuts just like in AOKP. You gotta like it or you will find it hard to get use to I guess.
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Give the 0transition and no lag a go- it's like a new phone.
Have you ever tried Nova? It has vertical scrolling and icon resizing with folders. The side drawer though I don't really dig.
Have you any legacy apps onboard? I haven't installed older games yet, I'm sure some things will just crash fail.
You have to remember that even though ART is included on the S5s it is still considered experimental and has not been optimized yet.
scott14719 said:
You have to remember that even though ART is included on the S5s it is still considered experimental and has not been optimized yet.
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Of course, nobody forgot this. It runs very well so far. I've tested it with all my daily driver applications and a few games that aren't updated for it and I've good results so far.
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You have to remember that even though ART is included on the S5s it is still considered experimental and has not been optimized yet.
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Yeah that's kinda what I thought since I haven't seen it in any other of my devices. Wouldn't mind seeing if anyone else is giving it a go. Was a bit worried after the freeze mate. Thought I was heading for a brick
Seems that ART is good on battery life. After 12 hours I still have 70% left where as I would usually have about 40-50%. Looks like using less RAM and opening apps faster is paying off.
cooza said:
Seems that ART is good on battery life. After 12 hours I still have 70% left where as I would usually have about 40-50%. Looks like using less RAM and opening apps faster is paying off.
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It's an odd duck, my statistics seem to be garbage but the battery is doing quite well in visible usability. My battery usage stats have Android system @ 22% with Screen on time @ 20% w 4.5hrs(on) and the battery is just now at 46% I can easily hit 6.5-7hrs @ this rate, screen time and who knows what Android system will be at but i have no gdamn accuracy in the numbers other than the screen hours on that add up.
We shall see since I believe both of our Art switches were in the middle of a Dalvik discharge cycle, perhaps borked it all up until next full stats flush/100% charge.
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My first run on ART and I get this. I don't know much about battery drain on this setting but it's consistent. On dalvik I had to charge every night.
1 day and 12 hours. So I'm getting slightly over 50% more.
That's also with the gear2 synced which should take more battery too.
First full charge on ART got 1 day 2 hours and 48 minutes, with 3 hours and 36 minutes on time. Had 37% left. Not bad at all.
ART has mostly eliminated the annoying unlock hangup that I was seeing. As for battery life I can't really tell a major difference; although coming from the i717 going a whole day is a miracle. Most days I end the workday after about 12 hours off charger with 40-50% battery.
If I forget to turn off the hotspot after using it I may see 30%, but that is after 8 hrs streaming data to my tablet and GPS on the old Note.
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ART has mostly eliminated the annoying unlock hangup that I was seeing. As for battery life I can't really tell a major difference; although coming from the i717 going a whole day is a miracle. Most days I end the workday after about 12 hours off charger with 40-50% battery.
If I forget to turn off the hotspot after using it I may see 30%, but that is after 8 hrs streaming data to my tablet and GPS on the old Note.
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You won't see a MAJOR difference between Art and Dalvik. People would like to see it but it isn't there. A few sites have done more imperical things* that said mostly it's close to even with some gains. It's just better in performance of apps you use often, in short.
* http://lifehacker.com/android-art-vs-dalvik-runtimes-effect-on-battery-life-1507264545
Just switched to ART today.....so far so good. All my daily driver apps are working great. Seems like switching to ART free'd up some RAM, im now using like 0.96 gb instead of 1.2 or so.
ikerex said:
Just switched to ART today.....so far so good. All my daily driver apps are working great. Seems like switching to ART free'd up some RAM, im now using like 0.96 gb instead of 1.2 or so.
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I definitely see some improvement in ram usage. I think this is what is also helping with her battery consumption. The only issue I do have is if I run the battery completely out or just need to reboot then it may stick on the boot logo and need the 3-button combo method to get our of it or even pulling the battery. Might happen 1 in every 4 times but worth it for the extra sharpness in performance. I'm happy with it so far.
Aftet switching to ART ive had lags all arund phone ,,, not much difference in baterry tho
I do have a lot of apps turned off and I am using a different launcher so maybe that helps. Not much extra installed either.