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I recently purchased my Droid Bionic, not aware that in a month's time the HTC Vigor (Thunderbolt 2 officially) would be released. I read up on many rumors of the HTC device, but they all seemed very unlikely. I asked my friend who works for Verizon about the HTC device if he knew anything about it, and he did and told me the specs of the HTC Vigor would be identical to the Bionic, noting that the rumors aren't true, and that it's most likely 1GHz or 1.2GHz dual core, with a qHD 560x940 screen. As far as dimensions or weight, he doesn't know how the HTC Vigor will do in that category. He works high up in Verzion, and I won't disclose his name just in case this info wasn't supposed to be given to me.
Should I return my Bionic and hold off for the Vigor?
I know the Bionic's PenTile screen is very disappointing, the camera is sub-par, and the battery life, while impressive, isn't as amazing as it can be (high cell standby and idle times).
How are HTC screens usually compared to others (SGSII, iPhone, Motorola)? Battery life on HTC phones? My main concern is the battery life overtime; would custom ROMs improve the battery life of the bionic?
I know the camera will definitely beat out the Bionic.
Is anyone returning their phone and waiting for the HTC Thunderbolt 2?
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I would chose the Bionic after all the problems with the Thunderbolt. I will not go back to a htc again.
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I had read, prior to purchasing the Bionic, that HTC Vigor, Prime, and iPhone 5 would all be released in October. Since I didn't want an iPhone and am not super techie that I need a pure Google phone, it was really between the Vigor and the bionic. My last phone was the HTC Droid Eris. Although with root and some fab devs producing ROMs, my l'il Eris lasted me through my 2 yr contract, it was buggy. The hardware literally fell apart and I had to replace the handset 4 times in my 2 yr contract. Although I know ppl who love their Incredibles and Thunderbolts - they ALSO complain of software bugs and hardware issues. Having weighed that, I decided to go with a Motorola product. My friends who have Moto Droids all like them and rave about them. Plus, I'm eager to see if Google acquiring Motorola Mobility will have any impact on the Bionic or proceeding products. I WOULD like to see unlocked bootloaders in the future though.
HTC Vigor:
1. It's going to be running a dual-core previous generation Snapdragon, *not* the new Krait cores which aren't even coming out until 2012. The OMAP4 in the Bionic definitely outperforms it.
2. Just going to be a Sensation on Verizon. If you want to check it out, go to your local T-Mobile store and look at it yourself.
Nexus Prime:
1. We don't really have much details on it.
2. It *might* even also have the dual-core Snapdragon the Sensation/Vigor will run. Seeing as how the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 has that instead of the Exynos, it's highly possible.
3. Eric Schmidt said Ice Cream Sandwich is coming out in October or November. This is a huge timeframe which will most likely lean towards the November area. If previous trends match up with this, the phone will come out *after* the software. Last year, the Nexus S came out 2 weeks after GingerBread dropped on AOSP. If it comes out at the end of October or beginning of November, that will be November or even December before we see the Nexus Prime.
My 2 cents before you start comparing the Bionic to the other phones coming out.
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
cdf3 said:
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I didn't think about the percentages must equal 100%, which answers my question about the call standby and the phone idle percentages being so high. Thanks for answering that for me.
AdamNJ77 said:
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
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It's not 1.5GHz, its either 1.0GHz, or 1.2GHz. I'm also 100% sure if the Vigor has the A8 Qualcomm dual-core chip, that the Bionic will wipe the floor with it.
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If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
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According to rumors, the Prime is supposed to sport a 4.65" screen, which honestly to me is way too big, so for me it was either the Bionic or the Vigor (TB2).
Thanks for everyone's responses, they're definitely giving me insight into both phones and their capabilities as well as how they will perform in the long run. Keep them coming!
Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
I was debating this same thing for a month or so.. Everyone always wants the best available, sometimes that can be a very difficult task. I was on the HTC Evo, and absolutely loved it. So that was drawing me towards the Vigor. My friend has the Nexus S and I was able to see how awesome that can be, so that was drawing me towards the Prime. But bottom line was, I was tired of waiting. I switched to VZW in July so I could get the unlimited data, and because I knew the Bionic was coming out. I had to grab an old blackberry I had laying around to wait.
Can you see why I jumped on what I had initially been waiting on?? The biggest thing I dislike is the LED.. its not the best on the Bionic. I imagine it will be decent on the HTC. But as for the Nexus, does samsung even have a Notification LED?
Definitely different benefits to each phone, but I think as soon as some fixes come out the Bionic will be a very good phone (already is pretty awesome).
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
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It would be ashame if the Vigor uses the same MSM8660 as in the Evo 3D only clocked higher since the Scorpion cores are getting long in the tooth.
Read this story for S4 Snapdragon Dual Core LTE
seekingalpha.com/article/280664-qualcomm-incorporated-s-ceo-discusses-q3-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript
All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Difference is that I can see the pixels even 5-10 feet away. I didn't see this on either the original Droid or even the Thunderbolt for that matter. So yes the pentile display to me is the deal breaker on the Bionic. Maybe not for you but it certainly is for me. If it works fine for you then enjoy the phone as the Bionic for the most part is a good device. I just felt that the pentile display wasn't for me.
I'm useing my bionic now, I'm about a foot away and I can't see the pixles, I've been useing Netflix with it even closer to my face and its flawless, don't know who's bionic you've been looking at but I can't see my pixles too easily
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I would definitely agree that the Thunderbolt was a very good phone, except for the very disappointing battery life. The Bionic's pentile display is also disappointing, but as I used my Bionic more and more, I felt like the display is very crisp and pixels are hardly noticeable unless you truly look for them, and lets be honest, on any phone if you truly look for pixels, you'll find them.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Normal distance is great. When I watch videos, play games, etc, pixels are hardly noticeable. In addition, the battery life saved from those pentile displays are quite remarkable. It's a somewhat good tradeoff: screen quality for battery life, and even then the screen quality isn't terrible to the point where it would be a decision changer for me.
I upgraded to a bionic from a Droid X (forced due to bootloop, but nonetheless) and also have a Thunderbolt. The pentile screen does love much to be desired, and yes, I can see pixels when holding it even at arms length.
But IMO the bionic has answered the mail on what *I believe* it was meant to be: a portable media center with a webtop bonus thrown in. I've read countless threads across many devices about people pushing their media (local or stream) from their phones to all sorts of tv's, pc's, xbox's, name your reciever. Moto made sure they put out a device that had the horsepower to accomplish that with the added benefit of a decent non battery hogging screen for those that want to use it in transit or while away from their receivers. That's primarily how I used my Droid X and can probably count in the low hundreds the number of times I actually looked at anything on the screen itself for longer than 2 mins (mainly just to set up hdmi out or a bluetooth connection to stream something).
Just my experience and opinion...
About the RAZR being offical annouced so shortly after the "king of machines" was released. I know there are other better phones being thrown out in the open, but I'm talking about the moto realm strictly. Makes you wonder since the Bionic was so delayed already, why not beef up the specs even more? Not trying to start a flame/troll war, just want to see other people's opinions. Thanks .
Well my opinion on this is simple.... there will always be something better coming out... regardless of what specs a certain phone has.. the next one will have something more... personally I love my Bionic... and I would like to see an ota or two out before I get another phone... but the Razr is something I think is being released to compete with the nexus prime or galaxy nexus or whatever its going to be called... its all marketing IMO. I just hope that the Bionic isn't forgotten or written off just because all these other devices are coming out.
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Yeah I understand their need to "compete" with the nexus prime it is a beast of a phone. I mean they could of just bumped the Bionic up a bit more since it wa s already so delayed. I'm sure the Bionic could of handled the extra 200 mhz base and the superamoled vs pentile. Regarldess I still think the Bionic is nice, but it feels like another "place holder" phone for moto. Feels like they just did it to do it, and get over with.
There probabily is a reason such as an example is the targa version went into production a long time ago there were problems with somthing maybe hardware maybe softare but than you start to develope the razer but have a bunch invested in the bionic and a lot made. I just mean the bionic was meant to probably just be the first lte duel core. I teally think they did not mean to do that but couldnt delay the razer because tech gets old fast. And compitition is fearce. I think right now as soon as they can come up with the nitch phone with the best specs and put it together it goes to market. Htc is worse at it. Motorola is jyst evolving the droid x seris. What is missing is the droid with keyboard series. There my faverite phone for battery life nut like back to the bionic and razer i am thinking the razer is going to have battery drain issues worse than the bionic. I think the nexus prime is gona be worse on battery. With the htc being the worst battery hog as usuall
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There probabily is a reason such as an example is the targa version went into production a long time ago there were problems with somthing maybe hardware maybe softare but than you start to develope the razer but have a bunch invested in the bionic and a lot made. I just mean the bionic was meant to probably just be the first lte duel core. I teally think they did not mean to do that but couldnt delay the razer because tech gets old fast. And compitition is fearce. I think right now as soon as they can come up with the nitch phone with the best specs and put it together it goes to market. Htc is worse at it. Motorola is jyst evolving the droid x seris. What is missing is the droid with keyboard series. There my faverite phone for battery life nut like back to the bionic and razer i am thinking the razer is going to have battery drain issues worse than the bionic. I think the nexus prime is gona be worse on battery. With the htc being the worst battery hog as usuall
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Yeah Bionic was meant to just be the first dual core/LTE phone. The market is evolving too fast to the point where "offical" shelf life is like 6 months now. Wonder what it will be in a few years. They probably could of bumped the core speed of the processor to 1.2 for the Bionic before release. Oh well it is what it is I suppose.
For anyone that has purchased one for full contract/upgrade pricing ($200), I feel kind of bad. Sure there's always something new coming, but if it's being announced in a week and likely to come out in the next few weeks, the wait is probably worth it. At the very least, there's a chance to get the same phone (bionic) for cheaper, once the newest phone is released. That said, I'm getting my bionic tomorrow and I picked it up with the amazon deal for $0.01. If I had waited, I basically would have needed to pay $200 more (at least) for the razr or any of the other upcoming devices, so I don't really feel bad about my purchase. It was absolutely the best deal I think I'll see for a while.
If the production device looks like the pictures, I do envy the look and casing. It's definitely a beautiful device... very sleek and the fact that it's slightly thinner does have a bit of an appeal. In terms of actual specs and features? It's slightly better, but I wouldn't have paid an additional $200 for it. ICS would be the biggest appeal for me, and there's a decent chance that might make it to the bionic anyways. For those with a bionic already, it's probably not worth it. Once it comes out, depending on the pricing, the bionic will probably still be the better value and have more appeal for those that are value-oriented while the razr will be close enough in price to appeal to those that need the latest and greatest.
The one thing I'm curious about will be the pricing... it seems quick for them to be dropping the price on the bionic, but not impossible. Will the razr be slightly more expensive? Or will the razr cause a nice price drop on the bionic?
I think these few devices coming up are only being pushed out so soon to compete with the new iphone, especially with the holiday sales coming up. Phones like the bionic and galaxy S2 are kind of considered "on par" with the iphone, so the slight improvements to these phones will create more of an appeal. The release does seem to be very close to the bionic, so I'd guess they intended the bionic to be released quite a bit earlier.
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For anyone that has purchased one for full contract/upgrade pricing ($200), I feel kind of bad. Sure there's always something new coming, but if it's being announced in a week and likely to come out in the next few weeks, the wait is probably worth it. At the very least, there's a chance to get the same phone (bionic) for cheaper, once the newest phone is released. That said, I'm getting my bionic tomorrow and I picked it up with the amazon deal for $0.01. If I had waited, I basically would have needed to pay $200 more (at least) for the razr or any of the other upcoming devices, so I don't really feel bad about my purchase. It was absolutely the best deal I think I'll see for a while.
If the production device looks like the pictures, I do envy the look and casing. It's definitely a beautiful device... very sleek and the fact that it's slightly thinner does have a bit of an appeal. In terms of actual specs and features? It's slightly better, but I wouldn't have paid an additional $200 for it. ICS would be the biggest appeal for me, and there's a decent chance that might make it to the bionic anyways. For those with a bionic already, it's probably not worth it. Once it comes out, depending on the pricing, the bionic will probably still be the better value and have more appeal for those that are value-oriented while the razr will be close enough in price to appeal to those that need the latest and greatest.
The one thing I'm curious about will be the pricing... it seems quick for them to be dropping the price on the bionic, but not impossible. Will the razr be slightly more expensive? Or will the razr cause a nice price drop on the bionic?
I think these few devices coming up are only being pushed out so soon to compete with the new iphone, especially with the holiday sales coming up. Phones like the bionic and galaxy S2 are kind of considered "on par" with the iphone, so the slight improvements to these phones will create more of an appeal. The release does seem to be very close to the bionic, so I'd guess they intended the bionic to be released quite a bit earlier.
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I got the Bionic through a fluke got some e-mail saying that I was eligible to upgrade. Called in vzw they had no records, rep asked me to forward (since they didn't see the offer in their system) so I did and they're like okay we'll honor it, but you should do it now just in case. So I did and sold my D3 for like 350 so pretty much no cost Bionic for me. Hell I paid like 100 for my x2,which got turned into a D3 (brand new not clnr)via warranty, cause of all the stupid music skipping which pissed me off. Then today I got an email which made me lol, vzw was like whoops we f'ed up you're not eligible for any type of upgrade. I was like too late already got my upgrade pznerd. So for "free" it's definately not bad, I do have the 14 days if I do find out one of those devices are coming out fairly soon idk if I want to go through all that hassle though. Or if I return the Bionic if my upgrade date will be reversed cause of this special circumstance.
Edit: I'm sure both devices will be $299.99. The prime is pretty damn sexy curved glass, and the Razr being thin w/ a super amoled on moto. My main concern for both of those devices would be battery life. I also do feel that the Bionic is better than the iPhone for the most part. iPhone 4s for sure, iPhone 5 no clue, but it'll be atleast another 6 months I'd think before we see the iPhone 5 launched.
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About the RAZR being offical annouced so shortly after the "king of machines" was released. I know there are other better phones being thrown out in the open, but I'm talking about the moto realm strictly. Makes you wonder since the Bionic was so delayed already, why not beef up the specs even more? Not trying to start a flame/troll war, just want to see other people's opinions. Thanks .
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I think that the phone manufacturers have very long product design, development and manufacturing cycles. The Bionic's delays probably screwed up what was expected to be the release difference between the Bionic and Razr, but it would be dumb on Moto's part to delay the Razr just for that reason.
But, how much could the Bionic's specs have been beefed up? Faster clock speed on the dual-core processor? I think that Bionic has pretty high-end hardware already.
We'll see later today, but there will probably be specific reasons why some people would want a Razr over a Bionic, and vice versa for other people.
Motorola really dropped the ball with the bionic. Don't get me wrong, its an awesome phone, but with how long it took them to bring it to the market, it shouldn't have the bugs that it does have.
Also, with how long it took them to bring it out let the competition outdo them. They did announce this phone 10 months before it came out. If they could have gotten it out by May, this phone may have been a huge success for them, but since they didnt, competition had the time to outdo them. But that's the life of an android owner, something better always around the corner. Unfortunately, Motorola allowed that corner to be too close when if they released it during late spring/early summer, they would have gave themselves time before that corner came.
I will say that if your waiting for the next batch of high quality Androids to be released, that there will be something better following them so you will still feel like you should have waited. The technology is moving faster than the wallet can afford.
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People tend to forget that the original Bionic was a Tegra-powered device with 512MB of RAM and running Froyo. It wasn't even a ground up redesign, they just slapped the Bionic name on the Targa, a phone which I suspect was originally intended to be the Droid X2.
The only thing that really impresses me about the Razr is the chassis- but I suspect the Bionic will hold up just fine. I'm more interested in the possibility of Ice Cream Sandwich, as many of the issues I have with the Bionic have been shared with every Froyo or GB device I've owned, and it would be nice to see a few of them fixed.
The Motorola RAZR event just concluded and frankly I'm not seeing any differentiating factors between the Bionic and the RAZR apart from form factor. The rumored NFC wasn't announced, and nothing about ICS was mentioned. The screen is supposedly different, with Super AMOLED, but if memory serves me, that's STILL a PenTile display, just a different pixel arrangement. This may in fact end up being a non-event.
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The Motorola RAZR event just concluded and frankly I'm not seeing any differentiating factors between the Bionic and the RAZR apart from form factor. The rumored NFC wasn't announced, and nothing about ICS was mentioned. The screen is supposedly different, with Super AMOLED, but if memory serves me, that's STILL a PenTile display, just a different pixel arrangement. This may in fact end up being a non-event.
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It's GB 2.3.5 vs. 2.3.4, for what that's worth. The battery is 1780, not 1800, to be specific - so, close to the Bionic. They apparently have some battery usage tweaks that could easily be done on the Bionic as well. It's quite a bit thinner and lighter, but it is also longer and wider. Why are these guys doing this?
It'll be interesting to see how the super AMOLED display does outdoors. That is one thing that the Bionic's display does very well.
I just hope that Google taking over Motorola that they help clear up the mistakes Motorola has made. While the bionic is a beast, i have to say that the thunderbolt would have to be the winner up to this point with the Verizon LTE phones due to the fact it didn't have to worry about rumors of it being outdated within 2 months of being released like the bionic has. When people bought the thunderbolt, they knew it would be a while before something better would be released. I never imagined Motorola was going to release a somewhat better phone right after they released one of the most anticipated phones of the year. If Motorola would have got the bionic right, they would have buried htc, lg, and samsung already and wouldn't need to release another super phone until the spring. Unfortunately Motorola fumbled the bionic and feel they have to release another super phone to make up for their mistake. Maybe they need to stop focusing on releasing so many different phones and concentrate on a select few phones and get it right and release them across multiple networks.
I know for as long as I waited for the bionic, i shouldn't have issues with my data going out and having to reboot the phone. They had plenty of time to work the bugs out and didnt. It's not like this phone wasn't pushed back, but if its going to get pushed back, fix the bugs while your at it.
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I dont WANT a super thin phone, I'm a tall guy in the Navy, we break things left and right! Now the water repellent, meh. Spills. Again though, NAVY. My spill is the ocean haha.
Now the Nexus prime on the other hand. We shall see... Either way however, I LOVE my liberated Bionic, and now that the kernal source code has been released (See: Android Development) Ill be happy at least for the next few months *depending on development*
Just saw the the info for the RAZR. Gotta admit it's one sexy ass beast as in terms of how it looks. But in the end it's still the same processor bumped up 200mhz? It probably will be pentile for the subpixel display I believe? Friend trolling saying zomg its kevlar and corning and faster makes it only a "bit better". He's pretty much stating that it blows the bionic out of the water. Oh well I have my 14 days and pre-orders for the RAZR start on the 27th. But I'm not sure if I want to try to push returning it cause of the fluke w/ the email and vzw support that gave me a free upgrade on the spot. Since the center was the one that honored that E-mail even with no records on their part derp. The world of Android outdated the minute you're out the door.
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I just hope that Google taking over Motorola that they help clear up the mistakes Motorola has made. While the bionic is a beast, i have to say that the thunderbolt would have to be the winner up to this point with the Verizon LTE phones due to the fact it didn't have to worry about rumors of it being outdated within 2 months of being released like the bionic has. When people bought the thunderbolt, they knew it would be a while before something better would be released. I never imagined Motorola was going to release a somewhat better phone right after they released one of the most anticipated phones of the year. If Motorola would have got the bionic right, they would have buried htc, lg, and samsung already and wouldn't need to release another super phone until the spring. Unfortunately Motorola fumbled the bionic and feel they have to release another super phone to make up for their mistake. Maybe they need to stop focusing on releasing so many different phones and concentrate on a select few phones and get it right and release them across multiple networks.
I know for as long as I waited for the bionic, i shouldn't have issues with my data going out and having to reboot the phone. They had plenty of time to work the bugs out and didnt. It's not like this phone wasn't pushed back, but if its going to get pushed back, fix the bugs while your at it.
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The t bolt was delayed a good but also and released with many bugs (which still haven't been fixed) the hardware of the bolt was also crap, its the reason I have a bionic now. I agree that if its going to get pushed back this much it shouldn't have many bugs, I guess I got luck cause I don't have many (far less than I did with the t bolt). As far ar I'm concerned the bolt was outdated by my old X, it ran just as good with liberty froyo as my t bolt ever did, and it had far superior call quality and build quality.
One more thing: I hope that Moto solved the BSOD, because good luck pulling the battery out of the Razr. (I assume it will have some sort of iPhone-ish like key combos to power it down if it hangs, though.)
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The market is evolving too fast to the point where "offical" shelf life is like 6 months now. Wonder what it will be in a few years. They probably could of bumped the core speed of the processor to 1.2 for the Bionic before release. Oh well it is what it is I suppose.
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Exactly the reason why I don't understand the decision carriers made to eliminate the "new after one" options for existing customers. I guess it makes sense to keep existing customers locked in while they entice new customers.
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The t bolt was delayed a good but also and released with many bugs (which still haven't been fixed) the hardware of the bolt was also crap, its the reason I have a bionic now. I agree that if its going to get pushed back this much it shouldn't have many bugs, I guess I got luck cause I don't have many (far less than I did with the t bolt). As far ar I'm concerned the bolt was outdated by my old X, it ran just as good with liberty froyo as my t bolt ever did, and it had far superior call quality and build quality.
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Most of the bugs i had with the thunderbolt were eliminated when i installed a custom rom, other than the random reboots. I ended up trading it in within 2 weeks for the lg revolution because it had an unlocked bootloader. Big mistake. The revolution is one of the most unusual androids that i've seen (ive had 5 of them now myself, plus my girl had 2 different ones than me). It's almost as lg through a bunch of garbage files in it to throw off the development community.
Ive never owned a samsung, but the type of plastic they use is a turnoff for me.
I am intrigued by a Nexus coming to Verizon though. Didn't think i would see that happen.
Back to what I was saying earlier though. I feel that up to this point, that the thunderbolt is the biggest winner of the LTE phones on Verizon. I believe it is the only 1 that didn't get followed up by a superior product. It was followed by the revolution, which isnt as good. The revolution was followed by the charge, which was an improvement. In my opinion, the bionic is better than the charge. While the thumderbolt isn't the best 1, it is the only 1 that didn't get surpassed the very next time Verizon released a LTE phone.
While the razr looks nice, i don't regret buying the bionic at all. Unless the razr has a built in fm modulator, i don't think i ever will. Maybe add a solar panel to help with battery life would be nice also.
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How much faster can the Razor really be? Until either phone gets ICS we won't know how much a difference it'll make. The screen and weight are the only differences. The Bionic is already a light phone so I'm not really bothered. I did buy from Costco though so I could throw a fit over the bugs this phone has and get a different phone.
So I bought my bionic a best buy less than 2 weeks ago. I've had Bluetooth dropping out quite a bit, and tonight I lost data connection for a while for the first time, and it has me thinking of getting my money back and going for a razr. But,....seeing as most of the important stuff inside both are the same, I would think the same problems will likely persist between both. So why bother if the same problems will be there? Add on top of that I already had to buy an extended battery for the bionic (I can return obviously, but isn't offered with the razr).
I would, the bionic isn't bad but the razr is better. I would imagine some of the problems with the bionic will have been worked out for the razr, and we'll probably see the this as well in the next OTA.
Tough choice. It has slightly better specs, but I personally think its an ugly phone. If I took it back for anything it would likely be the Galaxy Nexus, but I'm not even too pumped for that. I was surprised it wasn't clocked at 1.5GHz.
I have had to do a battery pull on my bionic once since getting it. What would you do with the Razr in those situations?
It is a lot slimmer though. I probably would do an even trade, but I am not 100% sure.
Nope. I think the Bionic combines all the good qualities of all the mentioned phones. Removable battery? Check. SD card? Check Screen viewable in all conditions? Check. Now that I'm running 5.7 I really enjoy the Bionic. Besides, there's no guarantee the Razr or Nexus is going to be any less buggy than the Bionic. On the other hand, if you have the chance to sample all the current offerings, go for it. You could always trade one of those phones for a Bionic again I'm sure.
No I wouldn't. The specs are slightly better but I prefer the design of the Bionic. They're both getting ICS so there's nothing really compelling over the Bionic.
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Well, I figure I'm pretty certain both use the same processor, lte/CDMA/bluetooth likely, too. So it stands to reason it will have similar problems related to these pieces. I will say I just installed shift3r 2.3 and listened to 40 minutes of Bluetooth pandora and mp3 without a single skip.
I switch between batteries alot. No removable battery is a big no.
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The main reason I would upgrade is the screen, this is the main area the bionic lacks. It's great in bright light compared to HTC and Samsung phones but that doesn't completely make up for it. I rarely notice the black pentile squares unless I get way to close to the screen, but reading text, and the numbers on my notifications can be a pain at times. I also like the thin frame, I miss how thin my X was, and the non removable battery isn't an issue (unless you have to have a extended battery) as it should have a hard reset button combo, and if tie battery is as good as the bionic's then it should be fine for most people. I wouldn't get the nexus for two reasons, 1. It's a Samsung and they have bad radios and call quality is nowhere near as good as Motorola, 2. No removable SD card.
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I switch between batteries alot. No removable battery is a big no.
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Instant deal killer for me. I depend on multiple batteries each day.
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Maybe if there were no additional costs. It has enough "upgrades" that I might want it. I got my Bionic a few days before they officially announced these devices and I knew that new devices would be coming up soon. I definitely don't regret my choice. I got my Bionic from amazon wireless for $0.01, so I would have been stuck paying $300 more to get one of the newer devices and that simply wouldn't be worth it.
The back of the razr is nice and the fact that it's thin and light is impressive. One of my biggest concerns while I was waiting for my Bionic to arrive was the size. This is the biggest screen I've had and the phone, at the thickest point, is thicker than other devices I've used. I was extremely surprised when I got it out of the box. I actually liked the bigger size and weight! I definitely don't have large hands, but the Bionic just feels like a better fit. The weight gives it a sturdier feel too. The razr seems like it would feel a bit on the fragile side. I don't really like the angles of the razr. The subtle transition on the back of the Bionic is better, in my opinion, and I don't think I like the corner angles on the razr.
The larger screen also helps when switching between my tablet and my phone... my old phone felt tiny after using my tablet for a while. The Bionic feels a little small in comparison, but that small increase in screen size seems to really make a difference.
I also like the texture of the back cover.The razr looks nice, but I'm not sure how it would feel. I assume it's a bit slicker than the Bionic, so I'd definitely prefer the Bionic for that.
I have yet to experience any problems with my Bionic, so removing the battery is not a huge issue for me. I also manage to get satisfactory battery life, so being able to replace the battery isn't a concern. I'd be fine with getting an external battery charger if I needed more life to get through the day. From what I understand, there should still be a way to force the phone to reboot if necessary, so that might not be a problem.
I'd say people should still consider the Bionic if they're in the phone for a new phone. Try to get a feel for the phones... check out the size, weight and overall feel of holding the device. Consider any important or necessary features (expandable memory, removable battery, etc.). In terms of things like processor speeds, I don't think the average person will really notice much of a difference.
I'm still in my remorse period. I might have considered Raze except for battery. Logic says the phone has the same embedded battery and its done well. But I've never owned a phone that hadn't required a battery pull...except the iPhone. Can Motorola pull it off?
Im on Bionic #3. First one I returned to Verizon because of the amazon 1 cent deal. 2nd one was slower and rebooted. 3rd one is a week old today. Only have the sound issue in my car.
I like Motorola, and I like the Motorola DROID. I've always wanted one. Now I've got one. The Raze is ugly, IMO. Plus I see DROID Razr, and, Motorola Razr. Which means its not even uniq ue anymore. Don't want any part of AT&T.
I'LL. stick with the Bionic.
here is a review from the verge
I can't post links yet but the verge put up a review of the razr.
I'm in the same situation as you, but no removable battery and apparently worse looking screen, I'm going to stick with the bionic.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/7/2543626/motorola-droid-razr-review
Wow, pretty bad write up on the screen.
Battery about the same as the standard Bionic's (big surprise)
Back camera same as Bionics 8mp
Overall rating of 7.0 vs Bionic 7.6
I've actually grown to love the Pentile display, and no replaceable/extended battery is a problem. So, the Razr doesn't tempt me. The Galaxy Nexus does, but even there, I'm still on the fence.
Stick with the Bionic
After reading most of these reviews that came out today for the Razr, I would most definitely say stick with the Bionic. I know I am. Below average battery life that you can't do anything about is not good. Also, I have read in multiple reviews that even with an AMOLED screen, reviewers prefer the Bionic LCD over the Razr's. It's not a good screen. Moto made to many concessions by trying to get the "wow" thin factor. The only thing is has going for it is the form factor, in which I prefer the Bionics more, in my opinion. The only other option would be the Galaxy Nexus but as someone already pointed out, I would wait on that one. There's no telling how many bugs/issues it will have being brand new software. Anyway, that's my 2 cents, stick with the Bionic.
After running droidth3ory's new shift3r 2.3 since last night, I have to say, on initial impressions, my Bluetooth is running much better. I hope it continues. I did have one spontaneous reboot with it this morning, but I wiped cache and dalvik cache in hopes to curb it doing it again.
Sorry, I tried to 'Thank' everyone, but apparently am limited to 5 a day.
Would not get rid of my bionic for the razr but I will be ditching it next Monday for the Rezound. The bionic is my first Moto android phone and it is built very well but the locked bootloader sucks. The Rezound has root and s-off. Also it seems most of the guys that developed for the EVO 4g will be working on it. Droidth3ory has done a great job on the bionic but I am headed back the the land of HTC.
I had a Thunderbolt, and liked it OK, but the battery was horrid. The only thing worse than it was the HTC extended battery. Made it like its ass was pregnant.
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I know there's been a lot of discussion of recent handsets, given that the Bionic was the first of a flurry of next-generation phones, made all the worse by Motorola's steadfast refusal to hand us the keys to our phone and the various software issues they've so far completely failed to address. Given all that, it's very easy to down on the Bionic or feel suckered.
But where's the love for the Bionic?
I've been offered a different handset (as the software issues on the Bionic have been killing me) by VzW, offered the Razr, Rezound, and if I'm willing to wait, even the GNex. But as I've been considering that, I've realized that the Bionic really is the sweet spot for me.
We're quite nearly as fast as the Razr, same other specs, none of Moto's rubbish Smart Actions, and we can replace our batteries or get an extended battery. Not to mention that we'll be getting the bugfix release sooner than they will, so likely, our network drops will be fixed first.
The HTC Rezound is a great phone, but it's thicker than the Bionic, and that's without the (still unannounced) extended battery. It's also slowed down by HTC Sense, and they (as of last I checked) still don't even have root. It's got a beautiful screen, and a slight speed bump, but not much else on us.
The Galaxy Nexus LTE hasn't even been released yet, but we know that it won't have an SD Card slot (and thus, won't ever support 64GB cards as the Bionic already does), and that the sound quality from the speakers is very quiet, especially compared to Motorola's speakers. We also know that we can get good battery life, and that our extended battery actually fits the phone nicely versus their (still not announced) batteries. They've got a nicer screen, NFC, and likely a nicer camera, but at the end of the day, if you need extended batteries and extended storage, the Bionic is all you've got.
But, the Nexus Bootloader is unlocked. That's the main temptation for me to go over there, and for many of us, it's a sine qua non. That said, that's something that's well within Motorola's power to fix, either intentionally, by accident, or "by accident". They likely won't, but hey, there's hope. And even now, there's a growing ROM-building community, which will likely only grow larger as the software issues are fixed and ICS nears.
Of course, the software issues are huge, and I don't mean to excuse Motorola's massive screwup there. Motorola has really screwed us over with the software on this phone, and their refusal to unlock the damned bootloaders is huge. But hopefully they'll learn and improve the software from there.
In short, in the Bionic, we've got plenty of (expandable) storage, good speakers, a reasonable extended battery, good cases, promises of ICS, and a chipset that can keep up with anything on the market.
It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. For some of you, the other phones may offer something better, and more power to you, but for people like me who like large battery and storage capacity, even after this latest glut of releases, the Bionic will still be the best choice. It's not a dead headset, surpassed and unworthy of development. It's not been replaced by, well, anything, it's just one good option among other options.
So, if you're one of the people like me for whom the Bionic really still is the best phone on the market, hang in there, and don't let the haters get you down.
I love it!
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Bionic ftw!
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I completely agree with everything in the OP. The Bionic is a great phone even with its flaws and poor treatment from the manufacturer, and I believe it will only get better if Motorola holds to their promises of bugfixes and ICS, and the possiblity of an unlocked bootloader.
I can't believe I just read all of that on my phone.... but I'm glad that I did! The Bionic goes to 11!!
jus curious, when u were offered other phones...did u already cross the 14days return period ?
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I know there's been a lot of discussion of recent handsets, given that the Bionic was the first of a flurry of next-generation phones, made all the worse by Motorola's steadfast refusal to hand us the keys to our phone and the various software issues they've so far completely failed to address. Given all that, it's very easy to down on the Bionic or feel suckered.
But where's the love for the Bionic?
I've been offered a different handset (as the software issues on the Bionic have been killing me) by VzW, offered the Razr, Rezound, and if I'm willing to wait, even the GNex. But as I've been considering that, I've realized that the Bionic really is the sweet spot for me.
We're quite nearly as fast as the Razr, same other specs, none of Moto's rubbish Smart Actions, and we can replace our batteries or get an extended battery. Not to mention that we'll be getting the bugfix release sooner than they will, so likely, our network drops will be fixed first.
The HTC Rezound is a great phone, but it's thicker than the Bionic, and that's without the (still unannounced) extended battery. It's also slowed down by HTC Sense, and they (as of last I checked) still don't even have root. It's got a beautiful screen, and a slight speed bump, but not much else on us.
The Galaxy Nexus LTE hasn't even been released yet, but we know that it won't have an SD Card slot (and thus, won't ever support 64GB cards as the Bionic already does), and that the sound quality from the speakers is very quiet, especially compared to Motorola's speakers. We also know that we can get good battery life, and that our extended battery actually fits the phone nicely versus their (still not announced) batteries. They've got a nicer screen, NFC, and likely a nicer camera, but at the end of the day, if you need extended batteries and extended storage, the Bionic is all you've got.
But, the Nexus Bootloader is unlocked. That's the main temptation for me to go over there, and for many of us, it's a sine qua non. That said, that's something that's well within Motorola's power to fix, either intentionally, by accident, or "by accident". They likely won't, but hey, there's hope. And even now, there's a growing ROM-building community, which will likely only grow larger as the software issues are fixed and ICS nears.
Of course, the software issues are huge, and I don't mean to excuse Motorola's massive screwup there. Motorola has really screwed us over with the software on this phone, and their refusal to unlock the damned bootloaders is huge. But hopefully they'll learn and improve the software from there.
In short, in the Bionic, we've got plenty of (expandable) storage, good speakers, a reasonable extended battery, good cases, promises of ICS, and a chipset that can keep up with anything on the market.
It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. For some of you, the other phones may offer something better, and more power to you, but for people like me who like large battery and storage capacity, even after this latest glut of releases, the Bionic will still be the best choice. It's not a dead headset, surpassed and unworthy of development. It's not been replaced by, well, anything, it's just one good option among other options.
So, if you're one of the people like me for whom the Bionic really still is the best phone on the market, hang in there, and don't let the haters get you down.
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jus curious, when u were offered other phones...did u already cross the 14days return period ?
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Yes, this was only last week (purchased shortly after release), but I've been in touch with them about these issues since very quickly after the 14 days. I've called Verizon nearly 15 times, and only recently have they made this offer, and that's only because I've had especially bad troubles with the travel and amount of wired-headset-calling I do. I doubt that they'll be open for that if you don't have a history of calls and complaints.
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Yes, this was only last week (purchased shortly after release), but I've been in touch with them about these issues since very quickly after the 14 days. I've called Verizon nearly 15 times, and only recently have they made this offer, and that's only because I've had especially bad troubles with the travel and amount of wired-headset-calling I do. I doubt that they'll be open for that if you don't have a history of calls and complaints.
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cool..thank u for the info..my bionic has been sailing smooth with no issues this far..i am hoping it stays that way..
Actually the galaxy nexus got slammed for having an absolutely terrible camera. I was going to see my bionic and get it, until I saw that. Dealbreaker.
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Actually the galaxy nexus got slammed for having an absolutely terrible camera. I was going to see my bionic and get it, until I saw that. Dealbreaker.
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It's certainly not worse than the bionic camera.
I'd trade your bionic in a heartbeat. Mine is in a drawer collecting dust because it's awful. Most regretted phone purchase of my life.
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my bionic is garbage the constant data dropping makes me want to throw it against a wall and the only thing stopping me from doing so is the hope that I can sell it to some chump for at least 200 bucks when the nexus comes out.
smartphone minus data connection = ****ty phone with poor battery life.
From what I hear they say the data dropping out is common with all 4g devices. I cave from the thunderbolt and had the same experience. I'm seriously considering switching to a 3g device
i had a blackberry to a facinate now the bionic. BIONIC IS THE BEST
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From what I hear they say the data dropping out is common with all 4g devices. I cave from the thunderbolt and had the same experience. I'm seriously considering switching to a 3g device
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You can force you phone into CDMA only instead of LTE/CDMA. I was told at a VZW store thats a possible work around. I did switch back to my OG droid incredible until the bionic gets software fixes.
I also wish the screen was better, but getting everything i want in a phone would make it 800$+
Just got the Bionic a couple days ago. I haven't had any data issues yet but I have it in CDMA only mode at the moment. Will test it in a 4g area in a couple days as I am right on the edge of a 4g area. I also have a Inc2 and have had a Fascinate and D1. This phone rocks for me. Battery is decent, its fast, solid build, blur (nonblur) is kind of nice now. Camera software isn't great but it isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Phone is also a little thick. I am optimistic that the data bug will be fixed with the next update.
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It's certainly not worse than the bionic camera.
I'd trade your bionic in a heartbeat. Mine is in a drawer collecting dust because it's awful. Most regretted phone purchase of my life.
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The Bionic camera is not one of the problems with this phone. It promptly takes good pictures and shoots very usable videos.
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The Bionic camera is not one of the problems with this phone. It promptly takes good pictures and shoots very usable videos.
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It's the absolute worst cell phone camera I've ever used. It's completely laughable and almost unusable. I feel sorry for you thinking it's "good."
The camera in Theoryrom makes it not one of the problems in this phone.
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It's the absolute worst cell phone camera I've ever used. It's completely laughable and almost unusable. I feel sorry for you thinking it's "good."
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It all depends what system you are on.
886 - agreed, worst camera ever!
893 - much improved
I got a GS3 because it's the last subsidized upgrade I'll ever get through Verizon (and keep unlimited data).
Pros of gs3:
Nicer screen (but too big for easy one handed use)
Lighter weight
Other than that, in the real world there are no other advantages. With the .232 leak, the Bionic seems just as fast, and this includes gaming so far. The Bionic build quality is better, the radios are at least as good, and it actually feels better in the hand (the sg3 is BIG). And I already miss my Lapdoc.
Bottom line is that the Bionic is still a great phone with a new lease on life with ics. You ain't missing much other than the latest new device buzz.
I'm actually coming to the Bionic from a different Samsung device (Charge). I wouldn't have high hopes for the radios if I were you. Samsung still hasn't proven that they can get them right as seen by complaints with the Nexus. Maybe the S3 is different...I sure hope so.
That said, they do lots of things really well. I'm anxious to put the Bionic through its paces because, for me, this is an upgrade in every sense of the word.
My girlfriend had a Droid 2 global and I have a DX2 work phone. Both the DX2 and D2g are horrible phones. Girlfriend accidently dropped the D2G in the toilet (where it belongs) and I begged and pleaded for asurion to give us a non-moto phone. She ended up getting the bionic and she's happy, and fiddling with it the other day I'm actually quite impressed as well with it.
I'll stick with my nexus till verizons contract expired and I'm done with them though.
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That is a good question: what new phone is worth upgrading to from the Bionic?
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That is a good question: what new phone is worth upgrading to from the Bionic?
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hardware wise there is nothing mind blowing right now that I would upgrade to but I would definitely suggest the Galaxy Nexus if you prefer tinkering more as the Nexus lineup is the most "open" of any Android phone and would provide you with the best user community
I'm happy with my Bionic, but the GS3 blows it out of the water.
Nothing out now is worth upgrading from a Bionic. I'll be waiting for a device with an OLED screen (not massive hopefully) and an OMAP5 beast of a processor. I'm perfectly happy with my Bionic until then.
My wife had a HTC Thunderbolt and it is quickly showing its age so we were able to get her a Galaxy S3 which I got to setup and play with.
Compared to the Bionic from a hardware standpoint, both devices are similar performance wise. The SGS3 has a little better of a gpu on it, a faster cpu and has double the ram of the Bionic, but the difference is still minimal spec wise. The biggest difference is the screen, the SGS3 has a MUCH nicer screen and the size is great. Finally I like that Samsung put a big enough battery in the SGS3 (2100mAh) compared to the Bionic's 1730 mAh battery which isnt big enough IMO.
From a software standpoint my Bionic on the ICS leak is just as smooth and seems about as fast as the SGS3. I also like the new Blur a lot more than Touchwiz though both are pretty nice. Other than that? I like the overall build quality of my Bionic better and it seems like Motorola has finally got the radios down with the basebands in the ICS leaks.
Would I trade my Bionic for a SGS if it was free? Not sure but I definitely wouldn't pay for one. Since I am grandfathered in on unlimited data with Verizon, my next phone will not have a subsidy unless I am willing to give up my unlimited data (which I am not) so I will have to pay full price. That means my next phone will have to blow my Bionic out of the water and I don't see any of the current devices out there doing that....not even the upcoming rumored Razr HD.
TY for the little review of the SGS3 vs our Bionic. I hated the fact that everyone shunned the Bionic. Coming from an OG Droid it was a definite upgrade. With the announcement of the RAZR, RAZR Maxx, and Galaxy Nexus everyone seemed to jump off ship too quick. Everyone complanied about the screen, the dropped network, etc...everyone was quick to point out what i believe are small flaws. For me the Bionic was the phone I wanted and am not dissapointed in it. The locked bootloader made the development community small. Without roms like those from Dhacker, DroidTheory, Eclipse team, and Liberty team, our phones would be very bland. I never gave hope on it. I was bummed when we lost a few of the devs due to the ungrateful people who didn't appreciate their hard work. I was really stoked with the announcement of ICS for our phones. And now with the leaks out I am much happier with my phone until the eventual upgrade. The SGS3 is nice but it not a worthy upgrade imo now that we have leaks and eventually an official ICS. Sorry if I took this off track.
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TY for the little review of the SGS3 vs our Bionic. I hated the fact that everyone shunned the Bionic. Coming from an OG Droid it was a definite upgrade. With the announcement of the RAZR, RAZR Maxx, and Galaxy Nexus everyone seemed to jump off ship too quick. Everyone complanied about the screen, the dropped network, etc...everyone was quick to point out what i believe are small flaws. For me the Bionic was the phone I wanted and am not dissapointed in it. The locked bootloader made the development community small. Without roms like those from Dhacker, DroidTheory, Eclipse team, and Liberty team, our phones would be very bland. I never gave hope on it. I was bummed when we lost a few of the devs due to the ungrateful people who didn't appreciate their hard work. I was really stoked with the announcement of ICS for our phones. And now with the leaks out I am much happier with my phone until the eventual upgrade. The SGS3 is nice but it not a worthy upgrade imo now that we have leaks and eventually an official ICS. Sorry if I took this off track.
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I like Moto's phones i also came from the OG droid. i think Moto does a good job on quality. i want something built good not some flimsy little piece of plastic. i figured the SGSIII would blow the bionic away but from everything i have read it is not so. I will keep my Bionic and my unlimited data until Moto comes out with a quad core than i might think about moving on but not until then.
i would also like to state that it also will depend on what the dev community moves onto as well since it seems that phones from VZW will now always be locked down.
Personally I think the Bionic is the most underrated phone in Android history. I bought mine on release day, upgrading from the OG Droid, and have been happy with it ever since. Now with the ICS leak, combined with my extended battery, 32Gb Class 10 SD card, and Lapdock 500, I have to say it's the closest thing to a perfect device I've ever owned (the one flaw being the locked bootloader).
amageus said:
..... Without roms like those from Dhacker, DroidTheory, Eclipse team, and Liberty team, our phones would be very bland....
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and sparkyman216 - get on that train Bionic faithful!
I too went from a Bionic to the SGSIII. I wanted one final subsidized device so I could keep my grandfathered unlimited plan as well.
I will admit, my biggest gripe with the Bionic (aside from the lack of an official ICS release) is its pitiful camera. I'd also really like to have a 720p screen and/or a little bigger screen area and some more internal storage since you don't get the "full" 16Gb internally on the Bionic.
At any rate, I got the GSIII and I have to say I am quite underwhelmed in several key areas. The camea is awesome in comparison to all of my various Moto devices over the years but it still seems slower to focus compared to my coworkers' iPhone 4S or even the HTC One X/Evo 4G LTE.
Probably my biggest gripe with the GSIII is its diminished battery life compared to the Bionic with an extended battery. Yes, it's a lot thinner but I'd gladly add a hump to the GSIII to get another 2 hours of runtime out of it. Gaming sucks when you are in CPU power saving mode!
The GSIII is also quite slippery and if I keep it I will investiage some kind of textured battery door or thin skin case.
As far as the pros, its reception is STRONGER than my Moto in strong areas (but weaker in fringe areas) and the call quality is really superb--a first for a Samsung! That screen is fabulous and I feel that 4.7" to 4.8" is the perfect maximum usable screen sizefor a modern smartphone. The S4 CPU flies and gaming is a total job on this device.
While I didn't think it would be a problem, I have grown to DETEST the capacitive buttons on the GSIII, especially when trying to type in landscape mode. I have big hands and my right hand is always hitting the menu button by accident. I also miss a side-mounted microUSB port and I miss having a standard microHDMI port. I have the 232 leak of ICS on my Bionic and I have a new appreciation of the HDMI port due to the revamped ICS Webtop mode and losing it is gonna really suck!
Not sure which way I will end up going as I really feel 50/50 about hanging onto the ol' Moto or jumping ship to the Sammy.
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Personally I think the Bionic is the most underrated phone in Android history. I bought mine on release day, upgrading from the OG Droid, and have been happy with it ever since. Now with the ICS leak, combined with my extended battery, 32Gb Class 10 SD card, and Lapdock 500, I have to say it's the closest thing to a perfect device I've ever owned (the one flaw being the locked bootloader).
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Completely agree.
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unbesorgt said:
Personally I think the Bionic is the most underrated phone in Android history. I bought mine on release day, upgrading from the OG Droid, and have been happy with it ever since. Now with the ICS leak, combined with my extended battery, 32Gb Class 10 SD card, and Lapdock 500, I have to say it's the closest thing to a perfect device I've ever owned (the one flaw being the locked bootloader).
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The Bionic and the Rezound are both the most underrated android devices ever, and I own both.
I'd get the G3 if it had quad core in the US. But I'm real happy with the bionic/lapdoc combo with ICS. I don't think there is a more usable/versatile use of a phone with that.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 (SGS3 from here on..) on my desk for work.
Let me start by first saying the .232 ICS leak on the Bionic finally resolved my data drop issues, where data went away for no reason and it took a battery pull or airplane mode toggle to bring it back, although 3G <-> 4G hand offs are extremely slow. The Bionic with the 6.7.232 ICS leak is what I expected the Bionic to be (except the screen is worse than I expected) when it was sent to me in Sept 2011. Camera is typical Moto "phone" camera quality. Reception (with this leak) is great, battery life is very good (for an Android phone), etc.
I still use my Thunderbolt as my "daily driver" due to its screen and camera and general phone/email performance. With the Rezound 1620mah battery, and the stock 1400 as a spare, I can last as long as I need to between charges.
I hate touchwiz (both on my T-Mobile SGS2 with GB and ICS, and the VZW SGS3). Blur on the Bionic is "just enough" to help but not get in the way, and actually looks good. While touchwiz on the SGS3 "looks" better, it still looks "cartoony."
In day to day use (so not looking at every single feature/function, but rather only those I actually use), I like the calendar of the SGS3, its camera and its display quality over the Bionic. I also like that the SGS3 supports simultaneous voice/data over 3G. Those are 3 areas the Bionic doesn't keep up. Beyond that, the Bionic (with 6.7.232 ICS Leak) now has better reception, and the rest is a tie.
Would I buy an SGS3 if my Bionic was my daily driver (ICS or GB on the Bionic, assuming I didn't have the data drop problem)... I don't think so. While the camera and screen (colors, sharpness, readability, etc) are better on the SGS3, I don't think its worth spending the money.
Will I use the TB or the Bionic as my daily driver? Because of the screen and camera, I'm back on the TB for now.
I plan on buying a GS3 once I have the money, but it will be hard for a bit. The Bionic, my first smartphone, has been damn near perfect. Awesome ROMs once I worked up the bravery, made it even better. And now with official ICS, it has a new life and I love it. But I'm ready and begging for something new to play with and the GS3 is looking perfect.
I definitely agree with others who say the Bionic is overrated. I would argue that until that besides the Galaxy Nexus, the Bionic was pretty much the best phone on the US market until 2012's powerhouse phones dropped. On Verizon alone, I would take the Bionic over any phone until the GS3.
i think the camera is software limited, the post processing "magic", jpeg compression, noise handling, or maybe the auto-focus algorithm
samsung has digital camera worked together with SGS development
Let me preface by saying that I am one of the official testers of phones for my public safety department that are issued to our administrators of which I am one. Because of Sprint's slow and horrible data connection speeds, they have been bounced in favor of Verizon's network. I also have a personal phone which until recently was also on Sprint's network. I was so impressed with Verizon's 4G data that I paid the ETF and switched to Verizon. As such my phone history has been (after we jettisoned Blackberry in obscurity which I am not counting):
Work
Motorola Xprt
Motorola Admiral
Droid 4
Bionic
Personal
Hero
Evo
Galaxy S1
Evo 3D
Galaxy S3
As such I've had the opportunity to watch "generational" leaps in phone technology. The Hero to the Evo was such a leap. The Evo to the Bionic was such a leap. And now the Bionic to the Galaxy S3 is another evolutionary leap in technology. Keep in mind that I carry (as do most of our administrators) the Bionic. I recommended the Bionic because it met our tight security standards yet was fast, well built, and did everything well. That it would eventually see the next generation of Android was a plus and of course I have already previewed the unofficial pre-release unofficially . I determined that the Razr was not the leap in technology that warranted much excitement. It wasn't an option to be fair.
Now saying all that I steadfastly disagree with the notion that the Bionic is in the same league with the Galaxy S3. Sure, they do basic functions and the Bionic which has been woefully underrated and Verizon's EOL little gem, stands toe to toe with the best of them. However, the Galaxy S3 just does everything better and gives you more. Screen to screen there is no comparison. Speed, responsiveness, smoothness, software, hidden features, ergonomics, call quality, picture quality, video the list goes on...the Galaxy just does it all better. It is in my opinion a "generational" leap in technology. This is my unbiased opinion and mind you that on my recommendation, we carry the Bionic as the official work phone for my department. But for personal use, the Galaxy is a technological wonder and is arguably the best phone on the market; yes besting the One X as an overall better kit. Unfortunately we will not see the Galaxy S3 issued due to cost and security concerns, but really don't kid yourselves, the Galaxy S3 right now is in a league of it's own.