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I dont think I've ever seen anybody give such a biased review as this, this guy had my blood boiling for a moment.
Take a look if you dare and judge for yourself. Tell me if you can keep your composure...
Star Wars said:
Wow this guy is a dumbass!
I have seen lizards sunbathing give better reviews than this, then again this is the iphone blog so I guess I may have been expecting a little too much since peripheral vision with other electronic devices that aren’t Apple pretty much is non-existent, I guess he can be forgiven.
Great star wars theme impression tho!
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lol best comment ever!!!

who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.

jadephyre said:
who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.
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Neither do I give a rats a** but its astonishing how someone can put out that piece of junk (only going as deep as the main menu) and call it a review.
Then again if it's a calculated scheme to increase number of hits to their site, then i guess they have succeeded, can't say if it's the right attention though.

Cant see why the fuss - the review was pretty sh*t but the phone looks like a bloater, its way to thick for my taste and makes my Touch look like its super thin. And his comments about the interface are true - in its pursuit to make eye candy HTC keep making it slower and more error prone. I would never buy an Iphone as i love the customization of the HTC but for your average phone user who does not want to learn anything at all the iphone gives them all they need.

I just can't stand Apple and their Marketing Tactics... they make it sound like they were the first to bring a Smartphone (which the iPhone actually isn't) to the Market that has a touchscreen... and Millions of fanboys actually fall in line and buy that crap.
I'm not saying that Apple Computers are crap, they're good at a few things too, chief among which is "looking good" but did the world really need that overhyped Phone ?

well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!

I could care less if my Phone was the size of a frickin' cinder-block as long as it does everything I want it to do... it does not have to be slim enough to slide it through underneath a Door.
I'll probably get me an HTC Opal next year or so, with Manila 2D... that thing will make me happier than any iPhone that will ever see the light of day.

What a fool!!!!
Holy **** he makes HTC Fuze makes the most ****ing piece of crap ever made! jajajaja i will make a video review for my hermes and it will be much better than that stupidity useless preview.... Holy **** this makes me hunger!!!

That was actually rather ridiculous. He does make some valid points as to WM's lack of finesse in some departments, but he really seemed to go out of his way to be child-like and/or a douche bag with that phone.
Yes, I tend to use a stylus with my Tilt because the screen seems to be purposefully fighting me, but it's not nearly as bad as he's making it out to be.

"The era of hard keyboards is over"
whatever, I think this review is totaly refering to the guys inteligence. He complains that he dont know how to use the sliding of the pics and music. How is that silly.

LOL
The music of "star wars" is hilarious!!
Hahahaha

origins81 said:
well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!
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Which is funny, because the Samsung Instinct has the same features/layout as the iPhone.

orb3000 said:
Sorry to disagree with you but that´s not true, hard keyboards will never be substituted, just wait a few months and you´ll see what´s coming...
Respectfully,
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That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.

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That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.
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Ohh I´m sorry, my mistake
Cheers,

Wow, that is truly a slap on the neck. He just could be the most annoying thing ever with that introduction. It's a rather childish review if you ask me.

That idiot with his comments is one the biggest stupidities i've seen in my life. If his brain capacity is not high enough (or there at all) to manipulate a pocket pc, he should have never blame it on the device and get himself a Motorola Startak (with the Manual Book and Quick Reference Guide of course!!).

Haha! I bet he still uses it.

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he touches the screen like a cat scratching a tire

the guy is like woody allen reviewing a phone

well, he does have ONE point, the "smoothness" of the phone isnt all that great, coming(him, not me) from the iphone, you shouldn't have to wait for your touch to take effect, for example when he is trying to navigate in HTCalbum. stupid qualcomm CPU's. I'm not buying another htc phone until they use a different processor, I was ALMOST fooled with the TouchPRO, until I saw some videos and heard some input. in some ways its worse and slower than the kaiser.
We need an HTC phone that is as fast as the iphone or faster. I'm really surprised HTC hasn't tried to compete speed wise, it really amazes me...
o, but anyway, about the video.
Yeah he kinda sucks at reviewing. And it's obvious he is a noob to TouchFLO3d lol. he's not grabbing the current tab, he's just sliding on other tabs.

XDA Branding: MBA study

Hey guys. Sorry to cross post this (not sure which forum is best) but I wonder if you might like to help with some research?
I am writing an MBA case study on the branding of HTC, calling it 'the best company you've never heard of'.
I have had HTC phones from the very earliest days, discovering XDA-Developers.com about 7 years ago; I owe the devs here so much for their ROMs and good advice (currently using a Jade with pda-viet's 6.5 rom,waiting for he passion to come out to try my first android handset).
Anyway, two things have always amazed me:
1. That a company like HTC has taken such a weird approach to branding (compared to motorola, SE, Nokia and, oh, I don't know, Apple?) and has only in the last year or so decided to start to invest in their brand.
2. That despite their relative anonymity, the 'tribe' that they have managed to assemble around them to promote, support and fix their products globally (that's you guys) are so incredible.
I was wondering if any of you might have any comments about either the branding/marketing of the company (any direct experience of them?) or your experiences of being part of their brand 'tribe'?
I'd really appreciate any comments any of you may have; would really help me to understand the company and hopefully a. get them better known through the case study and b. get a great mark in my MBA.
Thanks so much for any help.
Jo

MBA branding research
Mod Edit: You were correct about cross-posting. This is not permitted. I have removed the thread in the About Forum. (About is for matters "about" XDA-Developers)
I have also merged replies into this thread.
Mike

i think that one of the reasons they are sold under different brands is because they dont want to market the phones them selfves.
anyone think so>?
flyboy

It may appear that hTC have taken an unusual approach to marketing and promotion, but it is certainly not an unusual approach in business terms. In fact the concept of manufacturing goods to order for suppliers who have ready made and recognised brands is remarkably common. Of course most customers never really question whether the product is actually made by the brand name that appears on the case.
Many years ago when I did TV / radio repairs it was not unusual to find identical ocircuitboards and layout insude TVs that were sold under dozens of different brands. I'd say of around 50 brands I'd find maybe only 10 different circuits internally. The same is obviously true of hTC phones = many brands but all made by hTC but with different branded cases. This can be a good marketing strategy and is comparatively risk free if the deals with the brand companies are for fixed volume sales. If you can sell 10,000 units, but you don't have to market them or sell them to the public, that is a very stable and profitable position. Look at all the brands of flat screen panel TVs in the shops (dozens of them) but actually there are only a handful of manufacturers and most folk will never have heard of them. That situation nearly always changes though, once the product becomes a top seller. The risk of selling directly to the public is then greatly reduced - the high profile brand names having driven the initial public desire for the product.
Keep in mind too, that hTC were amongst the first to sell PDA/Phones with WM. A high risk position would have been to market these products through an unknown company. Far better to sell via high profile brand names. Of course, as these products have become more popular, it is now far less risky for hTC to sell direct to the public. This is of course what they have done in the past two years or so; the product is more popular and they now sell direct.
They have commenced TV advertising following the very obvious success of the iphone. It must have upset them greatly, to see Apple advertising as new products, phones which struggled to provide the functionality that hTC phones have had for years. But Apple do it so well and MOST importantly they market to the GENERAL public, not just geeks and business users. Riding on the success of the iPhone, I believe it is now felt by hTC, that they can also chase the popular, general public, market.
This does not of course mean good news for XDA-Developers (their unofficial support base). It may in fact mean that the whole process of support and development becomes more official - teams of paid developers etc etc. This could mean that the old voluntary developer type forum becomes something they no longer wish to unofficially support. We will need to wait to see whether success brings more work and more to develop by XDA-Developers or on the contrary; a clamping down by hTC and M$.
Remember, mass market success is not about small groups of geeky developers sitting at home and posting on the net, it is about applications that will be marketed and officially supported and therefore controlled by hTC and M$.
Mike
PS
... hTC are a highly successful company - in fact phenomenal success in just a few years - I wish I had bought shares. We can all point at Apple's success with the iPhone, but really the idea of licencing your produts for use on devices made by other people is a better more profitable model. Look at how much more successful M$ has been than Apple. That is because their software is licenced for use on ANY PC made by anybody. It essentially means you get lots of other people to sell your product for you. (it almost does not matter if folk have heard of you or not) Of course your product must work well - and if competition comes along (eg Apple), you MUST improve or die.

Interesting
Thanks for your response; I agree with all your key points, in particular the danger of going mainstream regarding the dev community (particularly here).
I've attached an early draft of my report; would be interested in any feedback, particularly insights into marketing decisions and likely outcomes of the collapse of WinMo and the shift to Android.
Merry Christmas

pounana said:
Thanks for your response; I agree with all your key points, in particular the danger of going mainstream regarding the dev community (particularly here).
I've attached an early draft of my report; would be interested in any feedback, particularly insights into marketing decisions and likely outcomes of the collapse of WinMo and the shift to Android.
Merry Christmas
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Excellent work. ... and I could'nt find much to argue with... shame I like a good argument.
I suppose out of all the good stuff, a point I felt could be strengthened is the one where a conclusion seems to be drawn that hTC will move away from WM. Yes, we know about Android and yes we know about iPhone but I'm not sure the case is made that hTC will abandon WM/M$. You may well be correct of course and I do recognise the possible departure from the "Tribal" developer communities in the future.
I think moves away from WM may be progressive but not necessarily final. Hving said that the whole OS for mobile market is not a stable one - who would have predicted this three years ago?: (let alone the stunning almost overnight rate of change)
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Of course, and this a point that can be made I think, the iPhone did not simply claim market share from WM it actually expanded the market. ie They have increased the overall size of the market without necessarily reducing sales of WM. Market share is therefore a very misleading figure as in a sense WM is still selling as much as before, just that the market has been doubled (pure guess) in size.
So not a critisicm but perhaps to add a little ooomph to the conclusions, maybe just a bit more in the way of trend facts/statistics to prove the direction of travel (afterall you're preaching to the largely converted here, but I wonder how convinced a hard-bitten academic outsider would be??)​
Nice work, I actually enjoyed reading your monograph and that I cannot say about lots of research pieces​
Mike​
PS... minor thing - from memory the last sentence on p13 I think it was, needs looking at - words have got jumbled somehow. (I know it's a draft)​

Lets start a mindless list of all the things you hate about apple

I'm sure there are good things about apple. I sell Macs at work so I have to say good things about apple so I can get my $25 comission. This thread isn't about that however. This thread is a VENT thread. I want to hear all the things you hate, can't stand, dislike or are slightly irritated by - when it comes to anything apple.
Apple fanboys - with any luck there are sure to be a lot of baseless accusations, arguments without due grounds and all sorts of logical fallicies. There may even be embrassing pictures of Steve Jobs if we're lucky enough. However I just would like you to keep in mind we don't want any but's. No "But actually it doesn't", no "They fixed that in version 7" ect. The only butt allowed is if someone posts a picture of Steve Jobs mooning preschoolers.
If you want to, start a thread about why apple roxor your soxor, but please, give us space to vent!
I'll start:
I hate yuppies using an iPhone as a status symbol, and every single god damm person that sees my phone (HTC Touch Pro2) asking me either "Why didn't you get an iPhone" or "Is that some kind of iPhone knockoff?"

I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.

Demon_man said:
I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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I knew this was bound to be in here somewhere. :F

Casshern said:
I knew this was bound to be in here somewhere. :F
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well its true and FACT is there not!!!

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I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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the people or the iphone? lol

LOL, BOTH!

I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.

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I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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I hate this douche bag.
good day.

I hate Apple product users because they think that once they buy a product from Apple that they had to pay out the ass for, they think they're the best in the world. Those things are horrible, over-simplistic devices. I'm glad I have my Touch Pro 2.
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I hate people buying Iphones because they think there the best thing ever.
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For their argument all I have to say is one thing.......Flash
gullum said:
I hate Apple for making so dam good products that people need to make stupid and pointless threads like this each and every time they release a new magic device then every f***ing ignorant idiot jumps on that wagon where 99% haven't even tried using an apple product.
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How do you know that? I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****. I returned it the next day. what tethering? What USB Mass Storage capabilities. What microSD slot!?

rr5678 said:
I hate Apple product users because they think that once they buy a product from Apple that they had to pay out the ass for, they think they're the best in the world. Those things are horrible, over-simplistic devices. I'm glad I have my Touch Pro 2.
For their argument all I have to say is one thing.......Flash
How do you know that? I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****. I returned it the next day. what tethering? What USB Mass Storage capabilities. What microSD slot!?
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What USA? not every freaking person is restricted to AT&T I know there are a whole lot more people in the world then those few living in USA.
USB mass storage no/ but there are free over wifi storage. microSD? no but with 32 gb I can't realy see the need
Well Flash even the porn business has plans to go HTML5 because they want on Apple. and if that happens then flash as video formate is history.
Let me ask you one simle question. why do you need flash?

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I tried an Apple product. An iPhone. That thing was such a piece of ****..
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i hate the way apple users look at you when you say '' its sh*t ''..pmsl
my friend is an '' i '' f*g and he looks like he gona cry when i say its crap..

gullum said:
What USA? not every freaking person is restricted to AT&T I know there are a whole lot more people in the world then those few living in USA.
USB mass storage no/ but there are free over wifi storage. microSD? no but with 32 gb I can't realy see the need
Well Flash even the porn business has plans to go HTML5 because they want on Apple. and if that happens then flash as video formate is history.
Let me ask you one simle question. why do you need flash?
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porn. naah just kidding
Youtube. Their Youtube player is crap.
raving_nanza said:
i hate the way apple users look at you when you say '' its sh*t ''..pmsl
my friend is an '' i '' f*g and he looks like he gona cry when i say its crap..
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it's because the iPhone.....is their "precious"

I hate the way apple purposely Design the phone so that features standard in every other phone, are not there or DO NOT WORK. Eg bluetooth: only works for other iphones. SD card slot has already been mentioned, Itunes is annoying to use, No USB ports, and this is only just a start on its flaws. Why Don't many reviewers mention these flaws? Impartiality seems to go out the window when apple is involved.
I also dislike the free adverising apple gets when major companies adveritse their new iphone apps, or iphone only promotions. It would be fine if they advertised it in conjunction with their apps for other phone brands, but they dont. This just contributes to the misconception that iphone is the only phone with any support.

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it's because the iPhone.....is their "precious"
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honestly though, he bought the iphone for a stupid amout of money.. he give me it to play with, after 10 mins i gave it him back and said it was sh*t..
* the look on his face was a picture for the funny pictures thread lol

A few years back my friend bought a Mac desktop for $5000... My $2500 pc runs circles around it .
How about such "innovative" features such as a front facing camera or multitasking (my G1 could multitask for Pete's sake). At least you get to hold yer iphone 4 in an "innovative" manner.

Crash Different
this says it all
http://members.cox.net/clyqz/macs.html

I hate Apple because they...
1. Make up marketing terms to make it look like they invented stuff that they didn't.
a. "Retina display". WTF? I wasn't aware there was a limit on how dense pixels can be. If you listen to Steve, it's as if they made a huge technological breakthrough so that we can finally have a 326dpi screen.
Newsflash: The Toshiba G900 had a 313dpi screen. It was released in 2007.
b. "Face Time". WTF? It's called "video calling". And it's been around for as long as I can remember 3G being around. Plus, Apple's implementation doesn't even work over cellular network. When it finaly does, it'll be another new "feature".
2. Introduce rudimentary features that have been around for years and then make it sound like they're new and awesome.
a. These were not available until 2009. MMS, cut-copy-paste, video recording, camera autofocus.
b. These were not available until 2010. Wallpaper, camera flash, multitasking, folders.

1. Their PR lies; about stats, about innovation, about anything
2. Jobs is a psycho
3. They make products for the technologically retarded and I am not technologically retarded
4. They lie
5. They lie
6. They are fanned by 1000000 douche bags across the US
7. They lie
Apple blows. Steve Jobs needs to die already.

Loving the contributions guys, keep em comming.
I hate how people always assume that there are more apps on an iphone - the Windows Mobile platform has been around for 10years, is completely open and anyone can install any software on their phone. There is no way apple ever will have an edge when they strange their software developers.
I hate how people will spend more money on a mac product that does exactly the same (if not less) as a similar product, because its 'apple'.
The iphone is like McDonalds. It tastes good (to they majority), its always the same (dependable) you have a great range (of whats on the menu) and anyone can hand over money and enjoy their food.
Windows Mobile is like cooking. If you don't know what your doing, you're going to be boiling 2minute noodles and not be that impressed compared to a happy meal. However if you're willing to learn about cooking, to put the time and effort into finding out what you can do with different ingrediants, how to put them together - then you can make an absolutely amazingly delicious meal for a fraction of the cost of takeaway food
Sure you can't just get delicious food if you're not willing to put the time in, but if you are? You can get something that meets your every craving and satisfies all your tastes!

Do you think Android would be so big if iPhone wasn't exclusive to AT&T

I had this thought the other day about how I used to long for an iPhone while on Sprint. I remember all these people rushing over to AT&T to get the iPhone and I really wanted the iPhone as well, but I had such a good SERO plan with Sprint that I couldn't make that switch. Plus I enjoyed being able to make a call here and there
But I'm thinking, if iPhone came to all carriers right out of the gate, most people would have had the iPhone already when Android came out and people wouldn't have been clamoring for an iPhone-like competitor.
So my personal thought is that Apple screwed themselves royally by going exclusive with AT&T and if they had gone to all carriers, we would only have a single monopolistic smart phone instead of 2.
Not to say that android might not still have happened, but they pretty much did what iPhone didn't. They said.. screw exclusivity.. we will go everywhere.. and it has paid off, allowing them to grow very quickly while Apple had no choice but to sit idly by.
You'll have to ignore the intial reaction of being able to develop more with android because it is more open... . we may not have reached this potential of development if we never gave android the chance intially because we already had iphones

ive been with at&t 4ever and i never have an iphone and have had a few phones since it came out then android came and ill never look back

Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon? Verizon is THE largest cellular network in the US, at the moment. The Verizon iPhone may have put a dent into Android sales, but I've yet to see any articles saying that Android market share is doing anything but increasing. Sprint is a distant third. If the iPhone were available on Sprint, I'm sure it would sell well, but its dent to Android market share would be much less than Verizon.

I don't agree with your post. There are many people that I know of (even the poster above stated this) that are on AT&T and would not even look at an iDevice. When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either. Arguments about people stuck in contracts and family plans don't really count because if iDevices were the only real choice, people would do whatever it takes to get one. However, that is just not the case. Android is a viable competitor to Apple and in many ways superior IMHO.
Sent from either my Nexus S, N1 or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.

Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.

GnatGoSplat said:
Did you forget there's an iPhone for Verizon?
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When it went to Verizon it didn't make a huge impact either.
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You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice back then are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. Because they had BB or just wanted a simple phone. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally. I guess my focus is more USA than others. I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best

Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
Android has support from 2 of the top smartphone manufacturers in the world, HTC and Samsung.
Combine that with Google's golden touch and it was never going to fail.
Not to mention, even if every network had the iPhone from day one, not everyone wants one.
Personally, I'd never consider an iPhone because of the price - doesn't matter how many networks sell it, as long as it's so ridiculously expensive, I'll never get one.
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Speak my man!
Well,first off,the iPhone isn't carrier exclusive everywhere.Here in Europe there are many many people who don't want to be bound to one carrier for their phone purchases and buy phones SIM-FREE.Plus,even those with contracts(I think Vodafone has the iPhone?It does here in Greece anyway)don't buy this many iPhones.
At first I thought that it was just because the smartphone market in Greece isn't all that grown.Then,I was on a trip to the UK,where all of a sudden I stopped seeing crap-phones that can only make calls and send texts(Some of them even have cameras though! ).Smartphones all around.But iPhones were MUCH less common than I thought.Many Blackberry's were wandering around(not on their own obviously! ),many HTCs(98% of which were Android phones),Samsungs etc(Android phones in General) and many iPhones.But not nearly as many as the other two.
That might have been my power of observation and things may be different,but that's what I saw.

I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.

I Am Marino said:
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Exactamundo

DssTrainer said:
You both seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about initially... 4 years ago when it first came out.. not now.. There was nothing else back then.... nothing like it anyway. The people who didn't buy an idevice are typically the same people who wouldn't have bought an Android if it was first either. You need to think objectively based on the historical times and how everyone was dying to get something better than WinMo. You can't base your thoughts on today's results or your personal bias based on you already having an android and knowing what it does. It may be hard for some to remember life before android.
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I still don't think so. People get bored. I owned an iPhone before I ever got an Android phone. I still like the iPhone, my wife is sick of it and prefers Android. Lots of Android owners came from iPhone. As long as Apple maintains the monopoly on iOS and keeps it closed, competitors would continue to assault it with a barrage of competition, some of which (like Android) are quite good and would have gained traction. So I think even if Apple supported more than one carrier back then, it would have little impact on how things would be today. I think it's the exclusivity to Apple that has allowed Android to be successful, not so much carrier exclusivity. There are many companies making mobile phones, such as HTC, Samsung, LG, etc. They would have continued to attempt to make an "iPhone killer" no matter what carriers carried the iPhone.
Long, long ago, there was a time when almost everyone who had a computer at home, had an Apple computer. Apple dominated the consumer market with their Apple II series, and made serious inroads into business and publishing with the Mac. However, it was Apple's brand exclusivity that allowed the IBM PC to dominate. IBM didn't fight the clones, and eventually, every company except Apple started making x86 PCs running Microsoft OS.

Step666 said:
Remember that ~95% of the world's population isn't in the US and therefore the AT&T exclusivity has precisely zero impact on them.
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now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside

souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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Well of course not..
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souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................

souljaboy said:
now you remember that ~95% of the usa's population dont know theres a world outside
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+1...LOL
I Am Marino said:
I think the fact iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for so long did help Android get it's first big break on Verizon, never mind the G1, Verizon pretty much started the OMG DROIDS EVERYWHERE trend, and then it's spread back to T Mobile and all the other carriers.
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Agreed, Verizon helped Android to get success in US, but Android is popular because its open source...and anybody with little programming knowledge and guts to ruin his phone can make android phone awesome and as they want...which you cant do with iphone...even if u jail break it...pure independence is what made android so popular...other factors like different hardware options and ability to port almost everything you see in other phones....Google's awesome work and innovative way to kill competitors....I can write an essay on android lol...
Also, IMO one of the major factor is HTC launching new phone every month...I cant believe how many phones HTC has launched in last 6 months...now every carrier is US has HTC phone with almost same hardware and software.....they just luanch it without thinking lol...
Samsung has taken better way of promoting android with launching new devices with something new and specialty like SAMOLED screens etc...similarly Motorola is doing good....

DssTrainer said:
True, but look at Nokia... they have zero marketplace in USA but are huge internationally.
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That statement falls somewhere between untrue and irrelevant.
At the very top end, Nokia have basically no market presence and things are only a wee bit better in the mid-range.
The only area Nokia is doing well in is the ultra-cheap range, not smartphones, so that has no bearing on a thread on the topic of the popularity of Android and the effect of iOS on that.
DssTrainer said:
I guess my focus is more USA than others.
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Well, you never said that and even if you had, the popularity of Android is not limited to the US - even within it's own bubble, the US market is not impervious to outside influences.
DssTrainer said:
I think if iphone 1 was everywhere in USA initially, Android would be another Nokia at best
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Nope, that would never have happened - unlike Symbian, Android is actually a very OS.
So even if it hadn't been given the initial push from Verizon, it would still have ended up just as popular, it just might've taken a bit longer is all.
But no matter how things had unfolded in the US, there's just too much innovation with Android for it to have ever been left behind.
fleurdelisxliv said:
all you need to remember is we have the NFL....................
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Yeah but we have proper sports

Yeah but we have proper sports [/QUOTE]
NFL still the best takes a beast to play

All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...

I believe that's the point of off-topic
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-

Step666 said:
All I shall say on the subject is that you should watch rugby - union not league.
But we're getting rather off-topic now...
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lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2

twitch153 said:
I believe that's the point of off-topic
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Hmm, it seems this thread has been moved then - it was in the 'General' section when I first posted...
fleurdelisxliv said:
lol and yea we are but one last thing i like rugby 2
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Fair dos.
I've tried watching American Football but I just can't stay interested in it, it seems to take so long...

Wow! Apple/Jobs complete ignores the fact the CPUs are made by Samsung

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395315,00.asp#fbid=46CYcVkiOEC
Ultimately, though, Fadell's point of view won out. Apple acquired a couple of chip companies, PA Semi and Intrinsity, and created its own chips, the A4 and later A5. Jobs explains why he didn't go with Intel for the iPad and iPhone in the book.
"There were two reasons we did not go with them" he said. "One was that they are just really slow. They are like a steamship, not very flexible. We are used to going pretty fast. Second is that we just did not want to teach them everything, which they could go and sell to our competitors,"
Jobs also voiced other criticisms. He said Intel's "graphics suck" and that its processors don't have the same system-on-a-chip efficiencies of the A4/A5.
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Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.

Illicit Hero said:
Designed by Apple manufactured by Samsung, you don't see Apple or any other company give credit to Foxconn either so what's the difference here.
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Not to mention, it behooves Samsung to get along well with Apple to keep their lucrative business. No way would samsung disrupt that flow of money from Apple. Apple could smack Samsung around all day long, every day, and Sammy would overlook it just to keep the extreme Apple revenue coming.

Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.

CraiaSoftware said:
Samsung might be stuck working with Apple as part of a contract. Regardless of the open lawsuits. I would love to see Samsung pull the rug out from under Apple and watch them squirm.
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I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.

Toss3 said:
I'm pretty sure Samsung makes more money on selling parts to Apple than they make on their mobile phones so that would not be int their best interest.
All of these statements by Jobs just remind me that he never got any official degree in anything and it shows.
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Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.

Illicit Hero said:
Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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Glad you said it because I was going to. I know and knew more intelligent and inventive people who never had a modern education than anyone who did have. The only thing a paper gives a person is an ego.

Illicit Hero said:
Shows what? How huge he built Apple or his opinion on products that sells like hotcakes? You don't need a paper to tell you that you are smart.
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I'm not saying he wasn't smart, just uneducated in that he always acted in ways that were more consumer-like than professional. Definitely not in any way downplaying the role he had on shaping the industry to what it is today nor any of his achievements.

People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.

htcplussony said:
People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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People tend to not remember where ARM originally came from. Maybe Steve forgot Apple sold its share of it.
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Are you saying Apple owned ARM? If so, I learn something new every day.

See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.

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See the wiki for "ARM Holdings" on why ARM was created in the first place.
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Wow! Samsung basically is using Apple technology in their chips. Not only Samsung, but also a great many other companies use Apple tech in their products. Samsung owes a lot to Apple and they repay them by ripping them off.
It has always been said the Asians do a good job of copying the hard work of Western civilized nations. Much of the technology in the world came from the USA.

Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.

Kailkti said:
Well to be honest the USA is a bully to any small nation really. E.g. Cuba they have so many doctors and scientists there that could sell their medicine around the world and prosper themselves, but nope, the USA still keep the embargo on them so they're practically stuck. Or Mexico or any third world country, big corporations to medium sized corporations, and even the government sometimes, tend to exploit the labour force in a third world country. Or did you read the article of where US scientists went to a south American country and exploited the populace by administering them STD's and other diseases in "hopes of finding a cure for another." (Note the people did not even know what the scientists were gong to do with them)
So why did I say the USA is a bully, well because of their bullying, they are practically leaving the smaller nations or less prosperous nations, heck even some 1st world countries too, stuck or unable to develop. And since they are unable to develop, they have no new findings. Hence why USA is one of the only nations to have new findings, because they are the ones who allow or disallow countries to prosper.
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Well, for one thing, your talking about what the governments do and politics. No politics allowed. I had a thread that wasn't about politics, but because someone decided it was, the thread was closed. So if you want this thread to remain open, keep the politics out.

Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.

Kailkti said:
Ah I see. Well I stated what I stated to simply disprove the implication that the USA is the greatest nation with the greatest minds.
But on topic now, that is pretty cool that Apple invented ARM.
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ARM existed long before Apple's involvement.
They were one of the major RISC cpu developers.
All that happened was Apple needed a cpu for the Newton (remember that? Many people don't), ARM's RISC processor was nearly up to the job but they didn't have the financial resources to get it there, so Apple invested in them and they created a new company.
Apple provided money and the requirements, ARM and VLSI continued to design and create the CPUs.
For instance, many Brits will remember the BBC Master (first to use an ARM processor in certain models in 86, I miss those orange function keys) and Archimedes/A series, and the horrible RiscPC (powerful computer with very little software support that with "a flick of a switch" could be turned into a P60 dog with lots of software but not the grunt to run it, so basically the worst of both worlds).
I grew up with the BBC B with a sideways ROM/RAM board giving 48KB rather than the standard 32KB
Apple had been unsuccessful at getting into the UK Education market so attempted to ride on the back of Acron and set up Xemplar Software. It failed and they relocated to Eire after Acron sold their shares. I know several people who worked for Xemplar at the time.
By then ARM had long realised that it needed to expand the use of it's processors as schools were moving on to PCs, hence why they branched out into set top boxes for satelite and cable, and mobile devices.

fact trivia
1st ARM CPU = MOS 6502
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6502
ARM = Acorn RISC Machine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM

6502 is truly going back. Not sure I really want to remember the Vic 20/C64 days.

Ahhh oki. Thanks for clearing that up.