Guys, I'm posting this in the general section put of respect for the forum and it's rules, and mods, feel free to move this thread if you feel it's absolutely necessary. I just wanted to give people in the Android community the ability to sound off on what they feel Steve Jobs meant to the industry. I don't care if you liked the man, his products, or his company, but it's my personal opinion that we as an industry have lost, possibly the one person who made the entire cellular revolution possible. I'm not an Apple fanboy by any stretch, but I CAN be objective, and CAN give credit where credit is due. It's my personal opinion that Steve Jobs was a visionary, a pioneer, and genius, and meant more to the people of the 21st Century than any other person possibly could have. Anyone who's old enough to remember (I'm 31) the onset of the "tech revolution", should be able to give props to Jobs for being at the forefront of the movement, and those of you who are younger...I hope you can have the proper perspective to recognize just what the man's influence means/meant to ALL of us.
So sound off guys...give me your opinions. Just please, be respectful and mature about this. Mods... feel free to shut this down if you see it getting out of hand, please. I'm not trying to start a flame thread here...I'd just like to have some good, objective opinions on the man's influence, NOT his personality or Apple's "politics" in the industry. Respect TRUE legends people!
I agree he is one of the greatest innovators of our time, I own an Ipod and it is truly peculiar.
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Im not trying to micromanage but ahh. This topic has nothing to do with droid 3. Suggestions: apple forum or maybe off topic forum.
I agree 100%. I must have overlooked the Off Topic section on my Galaxy Tab…my bad. Mods can move it ther if they want, but I didn't post in the Apple forums for a reason. I wanted to give the Android community the ability to express their opinions on Jobs' legacy in the industry, regardless of platform. I'm not home at the moment, so I can't move the thread to another location from my Tab, but mods are more than welcome to do so, if they feel it's waranted. I've been impressed with the objectivity here in the D3 forums, so I figured I'd give people here a chance to sound off first.
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My 2 cents; though the company seems to be working in a very sketchy manor as far as their I guess mobile division goes. I do favor their computers over the ones I have bought/built and believe the extent of innovation he has brought to the table is pretty amazing.
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I don't like apple, and i don't care for their closed source, narrow minded ideas, and I don't like their forced hardware control. That being said, i think he was quite the businessman.
He made a huge impact on the entire electronics industry, but I will forever prefer my open source, porn-watching device.
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Can I just ask why? We use an ANDROID powered phone. We don't really like Apple around here...
miztaken1312 said:
Can I just ask why? We use an ANDROID powered phone. We don't really like Apple around here...
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He is a legend of technology! ... not just Apple or Android!!!
Yeah. He was an icon of our time. RIP.
We can still torment the OCD technophobe cult nutjobs though. It's our right, no trollin.
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Can I just ask why? We use an ANDROID powered phone. We don't really like Apple around here...
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Just because we use android products does not mean we don't like apple. You might not but a lot of products apple created are great and did change technology. the phone you use right now is because of apple!
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
I'm greatful for all Steve Jobs inventions except for the last one , Patents
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I'm greatful for all Steve Jobs inventions except for the last one , Patents
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That right!
The man and his people developed a technology that indirectly was the cause for the fevored development of Android. If it weren't for the desire to find a product that could compete with the iPhone/iPod, Android may not be what it is today.
He was a visionary, who was hand in hand with Bill Gates and Windows, his path took him in a different direction than Windows. He did what he did, very well, and just because his iOS was locked down, didn't mean he had an inferior product.
We, in our own way here in XDA have become our own version of snobs. "If it's not open source so we can do what we want/when we want; it's no good"
I think we need to remember that there is a whole different world of folk who just want to use their devices, not hack the crap out of it; and that's ok too.
His products may not be for me, and like all things, have their own set of faults. But in the end his work has made a enormous impact on the development of hardware/software, which has impacted all of us.
Agree or not with him or his beliefs, I think we would all be best served to honor the impact anyone has on our lives
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The man and his people developed a technology that indirectly was the cause for the fevored development of Android. If it weren't for the desire to find a product that could compete with the iPhone/iPod, Android may not be what it is today.
He was a visionary, who was hand in hand with Bill Gates and Windows, his path took him in a different direction than Windows. He did what he did, very well, and just because his iOS was locked down, didn't mean he had an inferior product.
We, in our own way here in XDA have become our own version of snobs. "If it's not open source so we can do what we want/when we want; it's no good"
I think we need to remember that there is a whole different world of folk who just want to use their devices, not hack the crap out of it; and that's ok too.
His products may not be for me, and like all things, have their own set of faults. But in the end his work has made a enormous impact on the development of hardware/software, which has impacted all of us.
Agree or not with him or his beliefs, I think we would all be best served to honor the impact anyone has on our lives
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R.I.P Steve Jobs
I've never liked Apple products, never owned a single one, but even I see what Steve Jobs did for technology and the world. R.I.P.,, Mr. Jobs.
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and just because his iOS was locked down, didn't mean he had an inferior product.
We, in our own way here in XDA have become our own version of snobs. "If it's not open source so we can do what we want/when we want; it's no good"
I think we need to remember that there is a whole different world of folk who just want to use their devices, not hack the crap out of it; and that's ok too.
His products may not be for me, and like all things, have their own set of faults. But in the end his work has made a enormous impact on the development of hardware/software, which has impacted all of us.
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That's actually the reason for Apple's success with a large demographic, just not all. Every detail is designed with fewer things to think about. Locked down OS, fewer settings (what you hear as "cleaner interface"), no replacable battery or SD card, one mouse button (older Macs), etc. The out of sight out of mind philosophy flows throughout. I often joke about them being better for OCD/ADD and such, which actually has some truth to it.
People come in all shapes and sizes. Some want or even need simplicity and some want (and need) flexibility, expandability and programability. It's just hard for many to understand that what's good for them is not for good someone else.
Hi,
Everyone should know the lines from Steve Jobs below:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,” Jobs said. “I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
Now, I expect there are a lot of talented graphic artists here in XDA who loves Android.
Could anyone create an image of our beloved Android robot, rolling on the floor laughing while pointing finger to the above quoted text?
We should create a competition for graphic artists to create such image as funny as possible!
Come on, show us your creativity!
Probably with simple caption like "Apple, you can keep dreaming" ...
I request that even though many people on here are android fanboys ( not a bad thing ) that they respect what Steve Jobs and apple did for the industry and remember that he died doing what he loved.
Whether or not you agree, his anger is justifiable in the sense that android's UI had large similarities to iOS. Icons, layout, etc. He is human and thus experiences emotions which may or may not blind or sway his judgment.
"android is a stolen product"
Really Jobs? As I remeber Mac Os' are nothin really more than linux computers with apple branding all over.
Don't you mean UNIX? And I don't think what his basis of staling is the same with your basis of stealing. His basis is that this OS was just an outright copy, a wannabe iOS (again due to the striking similarities at the time). Hence a "stolen product". And if I remember correctly, UNIX is open source no? How can you steal something open source? Moreover, if i remember correctly again, it is not entirely UNIX, it simply has codes which were allowed to be taken and were taken for use.
I would like to see how android stood in a full on legal assault.
Apple is more or less doing this through the manufacturers.
Too soon.... show some respect.
You will find it everywhere. There is a famous quote by Gates. He once told Jobs:
“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbour named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
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Too soon.... show some respect.
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Really its been a couple weeks i swear if I didn't know better id think he was Jesus or the president. That said it is not to soon everyone can now get over it.
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I think people are a little too sensitive about this. And while I understand what he was getting at, I do believe it was over the top. Instead of viewing this thread as a personal attack, just view it as him being remembered.
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You will find it everywhere. There is a famous quote by Gates. He once told Jobs:
“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbour named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
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Personally, I find this quote even better. It's hilarious.
Well that just leaves a couple more Steves who want to destroy Google.
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Apple is more or less doing this through the manufacturers.
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Exactly. They don't dare go directly against Google.
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Too soon.... show some respect.
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Why? Didn't know Steve had a following akin to religious fanatics... oh
/runs inside to avoid iQaeda's group of exploding iPhone bombs
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Ok, so I've been reading quite a bit what's been going on in out little section of XDA lately(what can I say, I have a lot of free time), ad I have to say I'm a bit shocked. The bickering, flaming and general trash talking seems to be getting out of control. Now I've only been on here for about a year now, but the vibe on the T-mo GSII is not what I'd expect from XDA. The spirit of the community seems to have changed. So here's a suggestion; if you have beef with someone, take it to a PM, no one needs to see that you're pissed off about whatever you're pissed about. There has been way too much childish behavior floating around here for a forum about development and furthering the capabilities/software of our phones. So that being said, flame away lol /endrant
Thank you for saying it.
Well said
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I completely agree, I have seen a lot of what is posted, and I choose to never comment or reply to it so as not to be a participant. But I see it, mostly ego driven irrelevant garbage that should be handled via pm as you are saying.
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Amen brothers!!!! Its time to put differecnes aside and get back to doing what we love to do. Xda was and still can be a great thing if we can keep attitudes and childish behavior in check.
The mess has gotta seriously crazy. Everyone always fighting. This makes me sad. Words can not describe my sadness. Looks like its vibrant forums all over again
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Can someone make me a mod so I can just go through and delete all these threads?? I'm so sick of people *****ing and moaning about stupid stuff. Not to mention all the poor grammar. Language barrier aside, there needs to be some serious spellcheck usage going on in here. Half the posts aren't so poorly written they don't make sense.
So here's my offer: if xda makes me a mod, I will, without bias, actively remove garbage posts and ridiculousness from these forums. Seriously.
Bunch of immature kids stinking up our forums.
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It's honestly just the age of the users showing. There's a ton of n00bs and kids running around ready to gun for someone else's fight. Stick to what you know and never blindly follow someone just cause they are 'devin'.
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Can someone make me a mod so I can just go through and delete all these threads?? I'm so sick of people *****ing and moaning about stupid stuff. Not to mention all the poor grammar. Language barrier aside, there needs to be some serious spellcheck usage going on in here. Half the posts aren't so poorly written they don't make sense.
So here's my offer: if xda makes me a mod, I will, without bias, actively remove garbage posts and ridiculousness from these forums. Seriously.
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I think that maybe you should proof read your messages before you send them. "Half the posts aren't so poorly written they don't make sense." That doesnt make sense.
Yea guys i just want to say that if any of u seen what hapoened in revolutions rom thread i just wanted to say that i am sorry for my actions. I was trying to stick up for the little kid. and this kid not going to put name out there came at me and got my family involved for no apparent reason. It kind of set me off after that but i just wanted to say again i am sorry for what happened in the thread. I like the community we have and we dont need **** like that
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Totally agree boss.. I didn't notice this thread and started one of similar types.. but yeah, right there with you..
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Yea guys i just want to say that if any of u seen what hapoened in revolutions rom thread i just wanted to say that i am sorry for my actions. I was trying to stick up for the little kid and this kid not going to put name out there came at me and got my family involved for no apparent reason. It kind of set me off after that but i just wanted to say again i am sorry for what happened in the thread. I like the community we hace and we dont need **** like that
mike
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S'all good brotherman, there is a lot of anger being guided by n00bs and kids. I personally was 'jumped' in melvins thread for asking him to remove |FASTEST EVER| BUG FREE | EPIC| from his rom title. I called out an obvious fallacy and was practically tortured, having even my own facebook brought up. The level of respect people are willing to trade for 'updates' is unfathomable. I had predicted this weeks ago after that little war started and had mentioned all the kanging, begging for donations, flaming of users. Those are not things this community wants, or needs from a dev. If you support that, or think it was wrong you are part of the problem. n00bs are thanking 100x + for a rom that has never been stable or even original, all the roms he claimed to make are just ports of old half done projects with stuff kanged from the real devs at whatever device forum he weaseled his way into.
Be aware XDA, stop giving support to people that steal, beg & flame or the community will surely parish.
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The mess has gotta seriously crazy. Everyone always fighting. This makes me sad. Words can not describe my sadness. Looks like its vibrant forums all over again
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There are so many people joining this community that hasn't the slightest idea of what they're joining. They get a cool phone, someone tells them "hey you should hack that, goto xda, you can hack anything over there!" They join and realize that you just can't plug and hack. We're getting newbies that rather not lurk and learn the language, rules, and customs of this community. You have people here who pushes the devs as if they owe something to us. You have people on here who don't have a basic understanding of technology, yet they continue post misleading information. This forum has become a haven for people to complain rather than problem solving, and most of it is coming from new people who don't understand what this forum is really suppose be!
I'm just sayin!
This happens because it is an American Forum, full of kids and brats and people who don't want to read. this **** didn't fly on the international version forum
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Such a great forum but sadly as long as there is kids there will be flaming and stupidity. It is why I stopped playing World of Warcraft, or any other game that involves the public. Ppl get behind a keyboard and become "Keyboard Warriors" they know they can say anything to anyone with out danger of physical harm regardless of how vile it is. When we all know 95% of everyone said on the internet wouldn't be said face to face ...... XDA should be about helping noobs and not flaming them because at one point some one helped us out of Noob status.
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This happens because it is an American Forum, full of kids and brats and people who don't want to read. this **** didn't fly on the international version forum
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Not true .
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There are so many people joining this community that hasn't the slightest idea of what they're joining. They get a cool phone, someone tells them "hey you should hack that, goto xda, you can hack anything over there!" They join and realize that you just can't plug and hack. We're getting newbies that rather not lurk and learn the language, rules, and customs of this community. You have people here who pushes the devs as if they owe something to us. You have people on here who don't have a basic understanding of technology, yet they continue post misleading information. This forum has become a haven for people to complain rather than problem solving, and most of it is coming from new people who don't understand what this forum is really suppose be!
I'm just sayin!
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That was ultimately how I found XDA, I think the difference now, is how people are approaching this forum. When I started (first phone I rooted was a mytouch 3g slide) I read, read, and then re-read just to make sure. I never expected anything of anyone, asked questions, respectfully, mind you, only when I got stuck AFTER rereading the op. Whoever said it earlier I think hit the nail on the head, I think it has a lot to do with the age group of people who have been joining lately. Part of that ultimately makes be happy. Someone who starts tinkering(the right way) at the age of 16 will probably bring us big things in the future. The downside is you have kids, who are ultimately going to act their age. Now that is certainly not the case 100% of the time.
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I really don't bother with the negatives comments I blame tech sites and companies fighting about specs and numbers. most people here are phone/tech geeks so they are going to argue what phone/OS is better rather than arguing who's better Tupac or Biggie. I came here for one reason to MOD my phone and share experiences not to point fingers if you have a windows mobile or a low end android or to argue who got the hottest phone and specs. So I hope XDA continues to be a community to help each other rather than bashing the other phones choice.
Actually, if you look at the international board. It is actually productive and not littered with ignorance and children
The international community makes this one look pathetic, In terms of productivity and helpfulness
this board is littered with name calling , junk posts, and people who don't read. Resulting in a very unproductive and not helpful environment
The international makes this place look like a joke
........I know the problem is not the majority of users though so hopefully things get better
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Hello Guys,
Very Sad News Here:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
MOD Edit: Removed some of this as its more of a rant, Chill out safariking.
Oh jeez... I hope this won't come true. I don't want any of their products, but if this is true and apple wins in lawsuits to come, I might have no other choice. This is some pretty f*cked up s*it
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These articles pop up all the time. Nothing happens. Don't worry.
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These articles pop up all the time. Nothing happens. Don't worry.
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i hope so!!!
Nothing will happen, it will either be considered a FRAND patent requiring a license fee, but no bans, or invalidated completely in court. Even IF it stood up to all that it only applies in the US. If the US wants that, fine suffer the consequences.
Fun journey ahead.
The platform which can REALLY suffer drastic consequences from this is not Android, it's Apple's iOS devices sales. People are not blind, and even on the Apple camp, people are starting to get really tired of Apple's litigations and are beginning to see Apple's true nature and purpose. Cut me the crap that they are defending their own IP, they really are hurting the whole industry with their mentality (and the lawyers are the ones who really win). Remember, bad publicity is still publicity, people are not blind and are seeing new stuff, new interfaces, improvements, cooler looks, variety of features and devices and more in the Android side. They will figure out who is who.
Touchscreen patents? Who needs Touchscreen??
Since i haven't 10 posts on xda yet, i cannot post links. So search for "Most Important New Technology" on page of technology review. Using devices without touchscreen is coming.
Oh give me break... "moving things around the screen with your finger", "electronic lists such as music in a library"... to name a few can be dismissed with evidence of prior art.
What blows my mind is how when Microsoft where faced with apples bull**** regarding using a window to group items in an operating system Microsoft won out. What gives these days? Is it only mega rich corporations that get justice.
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XDA used to be a great place with cool people. Now it's filled with a bunch of whiners with some of the thinnest skin I have ever seen. Growing up in my time you could not survive being so soft, soft like Ice Cream Soft Serve in the Summer Heat. It's ashame. What happened to handling things and then being over it. People cry and hit report buttons., " OH MOMMY IM TELLING ON YOU." This country is doomed if this is what we have filling the work roles in the new generation. I am proud to not be a part of what I want to name the Whiner Generation or the Thinned Skin Generation. The World owes this generation because they did nothing to earn it. Where this you OWE me SOMETHING FOR NOTHING came from I don't know. Then there are those who are in control of keeping things clean and they also use that to whine about something ebcause they don't like. It's like getting being told by your parents not to curse while they are saying it like this --> DON"T ****ING CURSE...See where I am going with that? Makes no sense. There are some good people out there but this plague of soft skinned people are ruining what used to be such an awesome place to be. Now you have to "TIP TOE your question so someone doesn't get butt hurt, cry, tell mommy or get told its not on topic.
This is in the OFF-topic section so I am hoping that I did this correctly and by the rules. If I have not I am sorry I figured Off-Topic is where you post something that has nothing to do with anything else, basically general. Thanks
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XDA used to be a great place with cool people. Now it's filled with a bunch of whiners with some of the thinnest skin I have ever seen. Growing up in my time you could not survive being so soft, soft like Ice Cream Soft Serve in the Summer Heat. It's ashame. What happened to handling things and then being over it. People cry and hit report buttons., " OH MOMMY IM TELLING ON YOU." This country is doomed if this is what we have filling the work roles in the new generation. I am proud to not be a part of what I want to name the Whiner Generation or the Thinned Skin Generation. The World owes this generation because they did nothing to earn it. Where this you OWE me SOMETHING FOR NOTHING came from I don't know. Then there are those who are in control of keeping things clean and they also use that to whine about something ebcause they don't like. It's like getting being told by your parents not to curse while they are saying it like this --> DON"T ****ING CURSE...See where I am going with that? Makes no sense. There are some good people out there but this plague of soft skinned people are ruining what used to be such an awesome place to be. Now you have to "TIP TOE your question so someone doesn't get butt hurt, cry, tell mommy or get told its not on topic.
This is in the OFF-topic section so I am hoping that I did this correctly and by the rules. If I have not I am sorry I figured Off-Topic is where you post something that has nothing to do with anything else, basically general. Thanks
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I'm an 'old' guy too. In my experience threads from different devices hold different people. My previous device was a Samsung Galaxy S Plus. It was never a popular device with younger people. So everyone was more respectful to each other. People were always hitting the thanks button and everyone read the thread first before asking a question. My current device (Moto G 2014) is more popular with younger people. They wine about thing not working, demand things and ask for ETA's without any hesitation. They ask a question which was answered 3 posts earlier on the previous page. Searching is very hard work. Asking/demanding is easier... Furthermore, the 'thanks' button is very hard to find....
No, they are not all like this of course, but sometimes miss the old days, with 'old' guys on my old device....
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I'm young (16), but I see this happening in the world in general, not just XDA. I agree with most things you said, but maybe you should change your focus (especially in the title) to the world, rather than just XDA.
My 2¢
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XDA may be different from before but it had survived through thick and thin. All should be grateful for what they learned from here. After all, sharing is caring.
I'm old school when XDA was an HTC only site, America is totally going to fall apart in another 10 years when the entitlement generation gets into the work force and everybody is expecting free food, healthcare and a subsidized 4 bedroom home. I've seen devs lock their threads and go home because of the whining and acting like their owed a bug free custom ROM.
If you want to know what happened, its the communism/liberalism from the cold war that took over the US culture, they couldn't beat us with bullets and bombs so they infiltrated Americas institutions and can destroy the country from within. Its will be a slow and steady process, but were seeing the beginning of the results.
Wow! Another thread whining about whiners..just what XDA needs!
People flooding the forums with these types of threads do nothing for the site but prove your own point about too much whining and demands.
Seems a simple thing to add people to your Ignore User list and concentrate on the development aspects of the site
I also think the one post hit it on the head...it is more the world than XDA
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