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Hi guys, i have been following closely to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980497 ...
that is the best rooting IS thread..
i opened this thread is to stop / a place for people to post question & discuss...
reason: because the thread link above... is a place for devs update infos..
so kindly please post question / discuss here instead..
P.S dont turn that great thread to a spam thread. thank you!
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FAQ - Credit l0st.prophet & timbo007up
Great idea jetty.
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The devs will (hopefully) keep this thread monitored all the time (at least i will), but dont expect a answer within seconds
We will try to answer all your questions here. And please keep the original thread nice and clean. Thanks to jenny we now have a thread that can be open for answers.
I hope jenny is willing to update the 1st post with faq's and alike. (i will try to provide them as much as possible). Thanks to knightrocker we have a lot of good basic stuff to tell about
So lets discuss and ask
p.s. yes i will be annoyed by people who don't read and ask the same question that has already been answered (probably multiple times )
So how do I root my IS? can someone give me a link please?
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Dude... Please read the topic ... We arent done rooting yet ... But it will come soon ... Please atleast a little before u post
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Hmmm ... Soo that secu_flag=1 in too deep down too bad ... I will have a look at kexec ... Sounds nice
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Hmmm did a bit of reading on kexec. Timbo i have a question, u said u are trying to use it, but u cant boot into it.
Maybe that is because it is already being used? From what i read, kexec sounds a LOT like the fastboot option on htc's to me. And i don think u can overlap two kernels over the original one. Maybe thats why it was never tried
Please correct me if im wrong.
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Knightrocker just wait mate we are busy with it
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I must say u: im not that much of a linux programmer, mainly tester, but getting to know it. We are just trying to use it (or misuse if u want) to run our code.
Dont know exactly how it works, but it is useable to bypass some of the HTC security that is build in. But like u said: its never been used before, but thats only partial true. It is being used on the X10, and 4 days ago they announced that they succesfull used it to run there own kernel and roms.
Currently there are people working on it and as usual there are only just a few persons who really know what there doing (not me included ) so also i have to wait. Just have a little more know how because i'm involved with it
As soon as i know how it exactly works i am willing to document it (if allowed by the devs though) because maybe we dont want HTC to know how we do it exactly, because it will probably be to easy to disabled again haha.
Heres a starter for the faq
Root, s-off what does that mean?
If you don’t know what root is, go away and do some research. Not going to cover that.
Temp-root/shell-root: By using the psneuter exploit we can get temp-root. This allows us to execute more commands and gives us access to the whole system.
S-on/S-off: Disable the security that is also known as the NAND lock. When S-on is enabled it prevents us to write to the system partition (and various others). They can be written but it will be discarded when you reboot. So we see it as not writeable.
How do I check if im s-on?
Disable the fastboot option in setting > application. Shutdown. Hold down vol-down + powerbutton until you get to a white screen. Read the first line. Should say something like “Vivo bla bla S-ON”. If it says you are S-OFF you are lucky .
What is responsible for the s-on?
The radio firmware (not accesable trough the system directly) sets an flag (secu_flag) to 1 or 0, 1 for s-on, 0 for s-off. To get s-offed we somehow need to change that flag. Currently not possible for our phones.
The kexec was allredy used on the Motorola Milestone, but the Radio was always hanging. But possibily it can help you guys looking at the sources http://and-developers.com/custom_rom:2ndboot
Nice info! Have not looked so good at it (yet) so will do now.
Further more: i know about the X10 since one of there developers is on our team too. So have not looked at other phones yet who uses it
Had an Milestone before my Desire
You can ask the guys on #milestone-modding on freenode on IRC if you need help, they made a lot of experience with this methode since more than six month.
timbo007up said:
Heres a starter for the faq
Root, s-off what does that mean?
If you don’t know what root is, go away and do some research. Not going to cover that.
Temp-root/shell-root: By using the psneuter exploit we can get temp-root. This allows us to execute more commands and gives us access to the whole system.
S-on/S-off: Disable the security that is also known as the NAND lock. When S-on is enabled it prevents us to write to the system partition (and various others). They can be written but it will be discarded when you reboot. So we see it as not writeable.
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Then how it is possible to have a permanent root with S-ON on other devices like DHD?
The way I understood it,is that we can get root privileges but they vanish once we reboot cause they only existed in a volatile memory (since we can't write the code into the non-volatile area because of the S-ON)
This makes me ask: What's a permanent root then?
It is possible on other devices because it (the radio) can be somewhat accessed within userspace (kernel/programs) and than sets the flag to s-off. But it is required to exploit the radio so that it will do what we say. All current know exploits don't work on our phone. So its currently not possible on the new HTC devices.
So it is possible to access certain parts of the phone that are locked. but it requires a lot of skill to get there and than you must find something useable to change the flag.
Permanent root is what it says: stay root even after reboot There were times (mostly early cracking of new (currently old) devices) that people could temporary turn of the flag, set root in the system and that way gain permanent root. But most of the time your not very far away from fully s-off.
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There were times (mostly early cracking of new (currently old) devices) that people could temporary turn of the flag, set root in the system and that way gain permanent root.
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If you were a chick I would ask you to marry me for such awesome answer
Fancy a beer?
@androf : lol bro, ur crazy.
I have more questions if some1 dosent mind answering. From what i read, kexec skips the firmware part, thus we skip security. But about flashing a custom recovery? Will kexec still be effective or will u use it just to root and then chuck it?
Heck, ive learnt more from this IS section than i did in a whole year of science classes in school
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@Androf, ty but no thanks dont have any brains left at the moment and a beer would not help me to return it and your welcome!
@knightrocker: this thread is made for questions (the other one is more for the news and progress) so burn out those questions, i assume it still takes some time to get trough though. So until then i'm trying to help everybody here with there questions regarding to it and a appreciate the thoughts about how to get trough.
p.s. you can pm me ofc when u have questions, but i think that you should post them here, so other people can learn too. I'm saying that you have to wait for something to come off that uses the kexec method. Currently being worked on so not much info to be given yet. Dont crop those questions and put them out. Will appreciate if you have more than one question post them in one post though
@mr stylo: we have one the lead devs of the X10 cracking team, i assume he knows where to find the info. but nevertheless its a good learning course for me
@timbo: ok bossman. I will ask any questions i have to make sure every1 learns with me. And ill try to keep it a little compact as u say. I will read some more on this kexec thing. Im glad u guys found that dev dude from the x10. Say hi to him for me please
Btw... Just so i get right, u said i could burn off any questiojs i have and learn as much as can yes? Sry... But imma little sleepy
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I've read some threads mentioning gold card and installing official roms meant for other regions. Can we have an FAQ about that in this thread too?
Appreciate you guys collecting info here
Hi this is my first post. Im really sorry if Im posting this again and if I am just tell me to delete it and point me to the correct one.
So i want to install the Cyanogen mod 7.1 that was released yesterday onto my HTC incredible s. however since i have only just had it around a month i know very little about android rooting and how to do it.
My question is what guide should i use? is this the cyanogen mod good. i cna tpost it here it wouldnt let me.
if so i know doing so will void my warrenty and so is it like jailbreaking where all you have to do is restore to stock firmware?
Update: installed using this http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Incredible_S:_Full_Update_Guide
worked like a charm
thank you very much.
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Hi this is my first post. Im really sorry if Im posting this again and if I am just tell me to delete it and point me to the correct one.
So i want to install the Cyanogen mod 7.1 that was released yesterday onto my HTC incredible s. however since i have only just had it around a month i know very little about android rooting and how to do it.
My question is what guide should i use? is this the cyanogen mod good. i cna tpost it here it wouldnt let me.
if so i know doing so will void my warrenty and so is it like jailbreaking where all you have to do is restore to stock firmware?
thank you very much.
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welcome to the forum. just remember, this forum is chock full of great info. when you have a question, more often then not your question has already been asked. always use the search button first to reduce clutter
this phone is one of the easiest phones to root. just head here. voila. that's it.
yes, cm7 is THAT good. definitely worth it. fast and prob the best battery life out of all the roms.
you can always get the phone back to it's original state for warranty purposes. always a good idea to do a backup immediately after you root.
have fun.
ok thank you very much. Does the guide on the CyanogenMod website include how to restore to stock if you have to send your phone in?
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ok thank you very much. Does the guide on the CyanogenMod website include how to restore to stock if you have to send your phone in?
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i don't think so. that info is, however, readily available in this forum. just do a search
come to think of it, i think all you have to do is revert to the stock rom that you just backed up after rooting. someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
Does anyone also know if the root method for the HTC incredible S is temp? Does that mean you cant turn off your device? I'm confused.
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Does anyone also know if the root method for the HTC incredible S is temp? Does that mean you cant turn off your device? I'm confused.
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no, it's not temporary. it will stay rooted until you unroot and return the device to stock/original state. why don't you try it out? it will be a good way to familiarize yourself with rooting, backing up, and restoring.
Hearing of the release of CM7 got me finally around of rooting my phone. This forum offers great tutorials and I managed to root is fairly easily. After rooting I was also asked wheter I wanted to flash CWM and I answered yes. Everything went OK and I was able to try CM7 after 30 minutes or so. The most time consuming operation was creating backup with CWM recovery.
But my opinion about CM7 isn't good. While I like the the effects and other neat customisation possibilities 3 thing turn me off.
First, I really love HTC's phone or dialler application which helps me find contacts by entering their number or trying to type their names. This is the single most useful thing invented on a telephone. As CM7 doesn't support that (only enterning numbers as far as I know) I will not use it.
Second, I wasn't able to connect to Exchange server for some reason
Third, Android Market shut itself down after 10 seconds and repeatedly kept doing that.
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PS. I would have liked to post this info to developers forums, but as I don't have rights, I couldn't.
I'm no noob to forums - I'm a veteran member of Estonia's leading IT forum of Hinnavaatlus.
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Hearing of the release of CM7 got me finally around of rooting my phone. This forum offers great tutorials and I managed to root is fairly easily. After rooting I was also asked wheter I wanted to flash CWM and I answered yes. Everything went OK and I was able to try CM7 after 30 minutes or so. The most time consuming operation was creating backup with CWM recovery.
But my opinion about CM7 isn't good. While I like the the effects and other neat customisation possibilities 3 thing turn me off.
First, I really love HTC's phone or dialler application which helps me find contacts by entering their number or trying to type their names. This is the single most useful thing invented on a telephone. As CM7 doesn't support that (only enterning numbers as far as I know) I will not use it.
Second, I wasn't able to connect to Exchange server for some reason
Third, Android Market shut itself down after 10 seconds and repeatedly kept doing that.
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PS. I would have liked to post this info to developers forums, but as I don't have rights, I couldn't.
I'm no noob to forums - I'm a veteran member of Estonia's leading IT forum of Hinnavaatlus.
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The markets fixed by going in to language settings and selecting English again.
Exchange worked fine for me...
Download another dialer application..
I'd choose double the speed, battery life and ram any day over sense
lets not start cm7 vs sense. this thread will never end really, it comes down to individual preference and that's not something we can argue.
cm7 isn't prefect but it's close, imo.
Please recommend a dialer app and I will give it a try Dialer One maybe?
Thanks for the market tip.
weaselEST said:
Please recommend a dialer app and I will give it a try
Thanks for the market tip.
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try dialer one. it has the function you are looking for.
weaselEST said:
Please recommend a dialer app and I will give it a try
Thanks for the market tip.
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Dialer one, go contacts and touchpal dialer are all good.
syc7090 said:
no, it's not temporary. it will stay rooted until you unroot and return the device to stock/original state. why don't you try it out? it will be a good way to familiarize yourself with rooting, backing up, and restoring.
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Thanks again I'm going to try it out and report back on how I got on.
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Thanks again I'm going to try it out and report back on how I got on.
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sounds good. and there are guides in the dev forum if you need some assurance.
Cannot download anything from the Market for unknown reason. The download bar just scrolls endlessly.
E: Restart helped. Everything seems to be working just fine. Will give an estimate of battery usage in a few days time. And will test out Skype as well.
I feel as though the guides here need to be updated current one is from June. Not complaining just sayin is all.
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I feel as though the guides here need to be updated current one is from June. Not complaining just sayin is all.
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Yes, they could use some tweaking.
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Unable to sign in to Skype. Forums aren't very helpful too.
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Yes, they could use some tweaking.
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Unable to sign in to Skype. Forums aren't very helpful too.
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Yeah I think they need updating. From what I can work out the root for the HTC IS is not temp but the guide says it is?
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Yeah I think they need updating. From what I can work out the root for the HTC IS is not temp but the guide says it is?
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What do you mean exactly? After restarting my phone is still S-OFF (if you asked that).
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What do you mean exactly? After restarting my phone is still S-OFF (if you asked that).
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Well I think the HTC incredible S was a temp root but from what I can work out and what you have and others have said it is not. I haven't tried it yet but I'm going to tonight.
Hey Guys.. I Created this thread for discussing S-OFF for our Desire C (obviously) ... Recently I contacted HTC Devs and here what they say ...
Dear Reinel Caluag,
Thanks for contacting HTC Philippines
we appreciate your continuous attentions with our products and services. We understand that you wanted to have an S off for your HTC Desire C.
For us to easily solve the issue, we would like to get the exact make and model of the handset. And it would be best if you could provide to us the IMEI or the serial number of your phone for proper documentation of your account with us. You may usually get the IMEI on the sticker at the back of the handset or by dialing *#06# on your phone’s dialer.
Regarding the concern, as we gathered some information, S-on or security on is a feature on our device where the system software of the handset is protected. For this, since you mentioned that you've already unlocked the bootloader of the handset and you still have S-On, we will raise this concern to our management for us to know how you can get S-off. For the meantime, please do expect another email response about updates and resolution for the said concern.
Please let us know if this information was able to help you. If not, kindly inform us the issues you have encountered. Should you need further assistance, you may give us a call at 1800-14410789 for PLDT or 1800-89086588 for Globe. You may provide your customer ID number “ for us to easily pull up your account. And our business hours are from Mondays to Sundays, 8:00AM to 8:00PM.
On the other hand, if we have successfully answered all of your concerns, you may close the ticket by accessing the links provided as well as for proper documentation of your account with us.
Once the ticket is closed, you will be receiving an invite for a survey. We would greatly appreciate if you can participate on a quick survey regarding how we were able to assist you with your concern.
Thank you for making business with us. Have a nice day!
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After Seeing that.. i quickly reply them .... they need IMEI,and some phone info ... and I send them ...
What Do ya Think Guys.. ???
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Good, Its good to see the HTCDev team showing even the slightest support for the Desire C
Maybe we will get S-OFF maybe we wont.
Right now it seems to be the thing we need most right now :/
Thanks for doing this Addictz10
Sparky
Excuse my noobishness, but I don't really see the point behind getting s-off for our phone. I understand it will enable us to flash kernels from recovery mode itself and we can flash radio images to our phone (which I think is risky and i would never try that). And we can flash a different bootloader. But with it comes great security risks, and the possibility to actually hard brick our phones. So given a choice, I would still opt for S-on. Flashing kernels through fastboot is not that much of a problem, it hardly takes any time. Is there something I'm missing regarding S-off?
aashay960 said:
Excuse my noobishness, but I don't really see the point behind getting s-off for our phone. I understand it will enable us to flash kernels from recovery mode itself and we can flash radio images to our phone (which I think is risky and i would never try that). And we can flash a different bootloader. But with it comes great security risks, and the possibility to actually hard brick our phones. So given a choice, I would still opt for S-on. Flashing kernels through fastboot is not that much of a problem, it hardly takes any time. Is there something I'm missing regarding S-off?
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nah! my Device before got an S-off i flash kernels through recovery without having any problem... S-off is Safe ... but if you dont know what are you doing you'll end up in a big problem ... :3 ... if we have S-OFF then it means we will have a chance to get DUAL BOOT!! ..
addictz10 said:
nah! my Device before got an S-off i flash kernels through recovery without having any problem... S-off is Safe ... but if you dont know what are you doing you'll end up in a big problem ... :3 ... if we have S-OFF then it means we will have a chance to get DUAL BOOT!! ..
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So we can run two roms together, like one sense and one cm10?
aashay960 said:
So we can run two roms together, like one sense and one cm10?
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yeah ... !!
My turn to state an opinion. IMHO dual booting is a bad idea. It takes up more space than it should. The only benefit i see from it is as a test enviorment.
Like have your main rom setup, and then flash test builds of other roms alongside it. But that is the only benefit.
Isn't different bootloaders device specific? If so who will be the advanced dev guy that will port/build them for us?
Im supporting s-off, but highly hesitant whether it will be of much use on a such low end device.
addictz10 said:
Hey Guys.. I Created this thread for discussing S-OFF for our Desire C (obviously) ... Recently I contacted HTC Devs and here what they say ...
After Seeing that.. i quickly reply them .... they need IMEI,and some phone info ... and I send them ...
What Do ya Think Guys.. ???
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Nah HTC won't do anything to us
its like when we send a huge amount of emails with no answer
They leave their old phones and take care of new ones
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I just want S-OFF the change the ugly splash screen to something nicer and ofcourse for flashing kernels from recovery!
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nah! my Device before got an S-off i flash kernels through recovery without having any problem... S-off is Safe ... but if you dont know what are you doing you'll end up in a big problem ... :3 ... if we have S-OFF then it means we will have a chance to get DUAL BOOT!! ..
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I am not sure about Dual boot.
becuse pico doesn't have S-off but a dual boot
I think they have s-off .. coz dual boot needs s-off because dual boot flash kernels through recovery... while us on fastboot
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I agree with noahvt about changing splash screen and its so annoying having to turn on my PC to change kernel and we need to get a full touch cwm not twrp like 6.0.3.5
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YAH! I KNOW!! Just do What we want -_-
Dear Reinel Caluag,
Thanks for contacting HTC Philippines
Thank you for the information that you have provided. Regarding the concern, as we've checked our resources, we found out that we don't need to turn the security off to accomplish the basic installation of custom ROM. Security on by default is good for some reasons, it protects the system software configuration such as radio, boot, recovery and system. However, once you've unlocked the bootloader of the handset, you will have lifted the restrictions of the handset and you have the means to customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. For this, we are sorry to say that our management did not give the exact information on how to turn the security off. But as for coordination, normally, once you've unlocked the bootloader of the handset it will automatically have S-Off and developers would easily access or toggle the options on the phone specifically with Security off and on.
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Reply of HTC Devs ..
addictz10 said:
YAH! I KNOW!! Just do What we want -_-
Reply of HTC Devs ..
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I've send an e-mail as well
I stated that they should atleast consider it!
EDIT: for my asus transformer it was so easy just unlock the bootloader and i was flashing a new bootloader immediately after that why does HTC have to make it this hard :\
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I've send an e-mail as well
I stated that they should atleast consider it!
EDIT: for my asus transformer it was so easy just unlock the bootloader and i was flashing a new bootloader immediately after that why does HTC have to make it this hard :\
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because their buts :silly:
Shad0wPanda said:
because their buts :silly:
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Their flagship device (htc one) received an s-off not long after release so yeah i think they just don't care about the lower and devices
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WOW :silly:
this is the reply from htc (the most stupid reply i've ever seen) this is what they call "customer service"
Dear Noah Van Tiggel,
Thank you for your email regarding your HTC device.
I would like to inform you that we do not give support for this issue.
If you have quetions you can search it in this site http://www.htcdev.com/.
I hope I have informed you sufficiently,
Best regards
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Means the going boat went down ;(
Can't we build a bootloader(S-OFF) ones.
The ones who build these are also humans like us.
And no one is born with ultiamte knowlege.
There always is a horizon and a hope that shall always be in our heart
We can do it
Pressurise HTC.
We need S-OFF
aman23091998 said:
Means the going boat went down ;(
Can't we build a bootloader(S-OFF) ones.
The ones who build these are also humans like us.
And no one is born with ultiamte knowlege.
There always is a horizon and a hope that shall always be in our heart
We can do it
Pressurise HTC.
We need S-OFF
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For what i understand is that we need an xtc clip (link: http://www.xtc.hk/index.html ) people at pico thread have spoken about this but i don't know if this will work on our desire c's it's if someone is willing to risk it? i found this guide (it is for the htc desire hd but it will be sort of similar with other devices i think) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWtIzOkEbI
EDIT: it's possible without xtc clip as shown in this thread for wildfire s http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342468
EDIT2: another pico thread about s-off : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957236
EDIT3: i'm gonna try to put my phone into diag mode right now!
EDIT4(lol): i won't give up this easily
EDIT5: damnit htc even diag mode is not included in our desire c :\
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For what i understand is that we need an xtc clip (link: http://www.xtc.hk/index.html ) people at pico thread have spoken about this but i don't know if this will work on our desire c's it's if someone is willing to risk it? i found this guide (it is for the htc desire hd but it will be sort of similar with other devices i think) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWtIzOkEbI
EDIT: it's possible without xtc clip as shown in this thread for wildfire s http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342468
EDIT2: another pico thread about s-off : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957236
EDIT3: i'm gonna try to put my phone into diag mode right now!
EDIT4(lol): i won't give up this easily
EDIT5: damnit htc even diag mode is not included in our desire c :\
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Damn you htc when I was London I went past a HTC building and was tempting to go in and say
Here it is give me god damn s-off for our ************* HTC golfu. Yarr and maybe a few HTC ones¿ and all UE booty
So bloody close
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Shad0wPanda said:
Damn you htc when I was London I went past a HTC building and was tempting to go in and say
Here it is give me god damn s-off for our ************* HTC golfu. Yarr and maybe a few HTC ones¿ and all UE booty
So bloody close
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I'm gonna buy a N4 at the end of the year since it has better support then HTC does :'( but i'll keep in touch and keep developing for this phone i still don't understand htc doesn't give us proper support (and because there is a big crack running trough my phone )
Guys i need to know if its possible to root the phone and unroot / take it back to warranty condition WITHOUT reflashing and unlocking bootloader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCChDxc2_HE heres what i've found about unroot... but i am not sure in this method will it completely remove root binary and take phone back to warrantyN mode ?
Is it that hard question ?
tuncay_93 said:
Is it that hard question ?
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No, but we get sick and tired of people asking the same questions over and over again because they are too lazy to actually put the effort in to searching and reading properly
Also, don't 'bump' your own thread within 24 hours - read the rules if you're not sure why.
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No, but we get sick and tired of people asking the same questions over and over again because they are too lazy to actually put the effort in to searching and reading properly
Also, don't 'bump' your own thread within 24 hours - read the rules if you're not sure why.
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Ok, Boss then lets don't ask questions in this section and rename it to MrKnowItAll section ok?
I just couldt find how to root and unroot without unlocking and flashing and made a thread in questions section to ask if you do not mind...
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MrKnowItAll
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That's the whole idea of a Q&A.. With every new (original) question the knowledge database grows. This allows other people to just search through the threads to find their answer. It's actually an easier way to find answers then creating a new thread, since you don't have to wait for reactions and usually the follow up questions are already elaborately discussed..
On topic: I believe some superusers have an option to unroot? And otherwise just reflashing stock is just as easy.
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balloon27 said:
That's the whole idea of a Q&A.. With every new (original) question the knowledge database grows. This allows other people to just search through the threads to find their answer. It's actually an easier way to find answers then creating a new thread, since you don't have to wait for reactions and usually the follow up questions are already elaborately discussed..
On topic: I believe some superusers have an option to unroot? And otherwise just reflashing stock is just as easy.
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Alright then i renamed the thread. Because my question is about walkaround reflashing and unlocking bootloader.
Is it possible simply to root and unroot without reflashing and unlocking ?
When you root phone your root file is on system partition and you need to format it If you want to remove root.Hard reset don't format partition so that won't work.Update software should work but I am not sure.SuperS have ability to remove itself so if you root your phone with it you can done it fastest way.Also don't be smartass and mock people who are telling you to search for answer before posting topic and asking for help.It I is not polite.After all you are asking for help from us not the way around.
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dimi89 said:
When you root phone your root file is on system partition and you need to format it If you want to remove root.Hard reset don't format partition so that won't work.Update software should work but I am not sure.SuperS have ability to remove itself so if you root your phone with it you can done it fastest way.Also don't be smartass and mock people who are telling you to search for answer before posting topic and asking for help.It I is not polite.After all you are asking for help from us not the way around.
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on topic: So i am on latest 4.1.2 if i force the support tool (from LG) will it reflash the phone with stock frimware after root ?
As i remember i read somewhere that actually it is possible to use some kind of "upgrade recovery" option with this tool which reflash phone.
off topic: Im not playing it smartass i've searched and couldn't find what i need to know. then i posted this thread.
So maybe someone should check if a thread exist actually without beign too lazy. before saying that he's sick of people.
And also renamed my thread to be more suitable to people who will be searching.
tuncay_93 said:
off topic: Im not playing it smartass i've searched and couldn't find what i need to know. then i posted this thread.
So maybe someone should check if a thread exist actually without beign too lazy. before saying that he's sick of people.
And also renamed my thread to be more suitable to people who will be searching.
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You did NOT search!! Put the word "unroot" into Q&A forum search box and you get 60 hits, at least 5 of which on the first page give the answer.
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You did NOT search!! Put the word "unroot" into Q&A forum search box and you get 60 hits, at least 5 of which on the first page give the answer.
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simon its too late mate... i renamed my thread alredy and i think you did not read that its about walkaound flashing and unlocking.
@tuncay93 in LG update tool should be option "force update" or something like that.BTW I think easiest method is just to flesh.dz file since it will format system partition for sure and you need only drivers that you must install even if you want to update regularly your software.Download SuperSu it should replace your current root app and then from SuperSu choose "remove SuperSu" .That is all I can think off.
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simon its too late mate... i renamed my thread alredy and i think you did not read that its about walkaound flashing and unlocking.
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What is "[Q]Walkaround flashing and ulocking bootloader for Root>Unroot" supposed to mean? I walk around with my phone while I do it?
Changing the title of the thread doesn't change your laziness or your attitude.
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What is "[Q]Walkaround flashing and ulocking bootloader for Root>Unroot" supposed to mean? I walk around with my phone while I do it?
Changing the title of the thread doesn't change your laziness or your attitude.
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I don't want to be mean but just STFU you can't tell me where i can post and when i can not.
And also you can't tell me what i can post and what i can not. ok ? now go QQ.
tuncay_93 said:
I don't want to be mean but just STFU you can't tell me where i can post and when i can not.
And also you can't tell me what i can post and what i can not. ok ? now go QQ.
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Really? Simon is a long time member and he know what he's talking about. He might sound a bit mean sometimes but he's right!
I for myself created like one thread asking a question and the other things I sorted out myself with brief searching, reading and trying.
This question here has been answered already.
You're asking how to unroot without flashing back the stock ROM or unlocking bootloader.
It has been answered in this thread as well and a search (not just on XDA but on Google as well) would've get you to the same answers.
Simon can't tell you where to post and where not but he does as he is trying to get newer or ignorant XDA members to follow the rules.
And one of those rules is to search.
Not just a five minute look but a brief search even in related threads etc.
You won't learn anything by just asking and asking again but by trying and figuring out yourself.
So please do us a favor and stop posting unnecessary questions.
@laufersteppenwolf
I think this has gone way too far.
I know you're in hospital as far as I remember but maybe you can clean this thread if you get time to do so.
Thanks
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Omario-242 said:
Really? Simon is a long time member and he know what he's talking about. He might sound a bit mean sometimes but he's right!
I for myself created like one thread asking a question and the other things I sorted out myself with brief searching, reading and trying.
This question here has been answered already.
You're asking how to unroot without flashing back the stock ROM or unlocking bootloader.
It has been answered in this thread as well and a search (not just on XDA but on Google as well) would've get you to the same answers.
Simon can't tell you where to post and where not but he does as he is trying to get newer or ignorant XDA members to follow the rules.
And one of those rules is to search.
Not just a five minute look but a brief search even in related threads etc.
You won't learn anything by just asking and asking again but by trying and figuring out yourself.
So please do us a favor and stop posting unnecessary questions.
@laufersteppenwolf
I think this has gone way too far.
I know you're in hospital as far as I remember but maybe you can clean this thread if you get time to do so.
Thanks
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1.By the first few words you said i suspect that you define the pople by their registration date at XDA.
2. I didn't found answer to my question thats why i made thread. [Ans. It is actually possible SuperSu will remove root [not sure what kind of remove but still....[ Flashing with support tool is the way but is still flashing]
3. I am not ignorant and new at XDA. I am new to 4x HD section. Also without reading and asking you can't learn anything. Thats the point of the forum.
4. And i think it was necessary question. Since i've searched and couldn't find what i needed to know.
Finding related threads about "How to root", "How to unroot" all say just unlock reflash and relock. Why ? I've just find out today that i can simply run support tool and all will be fine. (Also mine is 446-92 FW I'm not sure if relockable yet.)
Also that standing behind someone just because he says few words that he has read at "Rules" In wrong place....
And just because its old member it's not cool mate im sorry but thats what i think.
Now if moderators think this is unnecesery thread can remove it.
dimi89 said:
@tuncay93 in LG update tool should be option "force update" or something like that.BTW I think easiest method is just to flesh.dz file since it will format system partition for sure and you need only drivers that you must install even if you want to update regularly your software.Download SuperSu it should replace your current root app and then from SuperSu choose "remove SuperSu" .That is all I can think off.
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Ye thats what i find out today theres walkaround for flashing and unlocking bootloader.
In lg support tool click options then upgrade recovery and you are good to go for warranty or whatever you need it for.
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1.By the first few words you said i suspect that you define the pople by their registration date at XDA.
2. I didn't found answer to my question thats why i made thread. [Ans. It is actually possible SuperSu will remove root [not sure what kind of remove but still....[ Flashing with support tool is the way but is still flashing]
3. I am not ignorant and new at XDA. I am new to 4x HD section. Also without reading and asking you can't learn anything. Thats the point of the forum.
4. And i think it was necessary question. Since i've searched and couldn't find what i needed to know.
Finding related threads about "How to root", "How to unroot" all say just unlock reflash and relock. Why ? I've just find out today that i can simply run support tool and all will be fine. (Also mine is 446-92 FW I'm not sure if relockable yet.)
Also that standing behind someone just because he says few words that he has read at "Rules" In wrong place....
And just because its old member it's not cool mate im sorry but thats what i think.
Now if moderators think this is unnecesery thread can remove it.
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Let's get behind this rules etc thing but if you'd read more about root function and flashing a stock firmware you would've know that root is installed in system and that a simple reflash unroots your system.
That's what I mean with reading and understanding the way your modified android device works.
I don't know if it's just me but I did know nearly everything about root before even bothering to root my device just in case if something goes wrong I exactly know what to do.
The answers are out there. Most questions can be solved by searching but many users don't do it or they don't have enough knowledge of Android to understand the given output of their searches.
And no I don't define people by their registration date but by the way they post on XDA.
And I'm not supporting Simon because he has said a few words about rules. I'm supporting him because he's been a long time member and follows the rules.
And sorry but if somebody is criticizing your thread in a forum like XDA and you're responding with "STFU" shows me that you're ignorant and lacking respect.
The fact that Simon is doing this is to keep people from posting 10 threads about the same question (like they tend to do) but search and know what they are doing.
The problem with the community is that most new users just follow tutorials but don't know what to do if something goes wrong (and believe me there always will be something that goes wrong) and then they create threads like "help I bricked my 4X HD".
Like I said if you'd know what rooting actually does inside your device you'd know what to do with information you get when you search for unroot.
Let's assume you are a new user and you now install SuperSU and somehow it messes something up.
What will you do? Do you know enough to mess with an android device? I really don't want you to take it personal but that's the way you should think about it.
And I have one question: Why do you want to unroot your device without reflashing stock firmware and think that unlocking boot loader would be necessary to unroot?
(and just one hint: it's not "walkaround" but workaround what you mean I guess)
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Let's get behind this rules etc thing but if you'd read more about root function and flashing a stock firmware you would've know that root is installed in system and that a simple reflash unroots your system.
That's what I mean with reading and understanding the way your modified android device works.
I don't know if it's just me but I did know nearly everything about root before even bothering to root my device just in case if something goes wrong I exactly know what to do.
The answers are out there. Most questions can be solved by searching but many users don't do it or they don't have enough knowledge of Android to understand the given output of their searches.
And no I don't define people by their registration date but by the way they post on XDA.
And I'm not supporting Simon because he has said a few words about rules. I'm supporting him because he's been a long time member and follows the rules.
And sorry but if somebody is criticizing your thread in a forum like XDA and you're responding with "STFU" shows me that you're ignorant and lacking respect.
The fact that Simon is doing this is to keep people from posting 10 threads about the same question (like they tend to do) but search and know what they are doing.
The problem with the community is that most new users just follow tutorials but don't know what to do if something goes wrong (and believe me there always will be something that goes wrong) and then they create threads like "help I bricked my 4X HD".
Like I said if you'd know what rooting actually does inside your device you'd know what to do with information you get when you search for unroot.
Let's assume you are a new user and you now install SuperSU and somehow it messes something up.
What will you do? Do you know enough to mess with an android device? I really don't want you to take it personal but that's the way you should think about it.
And I have one question: Why do you want to unroot your device without reflashing stock firmware and think that unlocking boot loader would be necessary to unroot?
(and just one hint: it's not "walkaround" but workaround what you mean I guess)
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Okey I know what Root is. I have been rooting and unlocking all my phones i've used to switch roms. (I know that reflashing is the solution)
But the problem is as i said my 4x HD isn't EUR-XXX it's 446-92 (Asian one i suspect)
So unlocking is possible but couldn't really find info about relocking.
And i was in need of workaround as you said (My english is not good) Because my power button its not responsive and the phone still has warranty and that button its going to brick it keeps going more and more unresponsive.
So i didn't wanted to unlock and reflash because i may void my warranty in that case i still need it.
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Okey I know what Root is. I have been rooting and unlocking all my phones i've used to switch roms. (I know that reflashing is the solution)
But the problem is as i said my 4x HD isn't EUR-XXX it's 446-92 (Asian one i suspect)
So unlocking is possible but couldn't really find info about relocking.
And i was in need of workaround as you said (My english is not good) Because my power button its not responsive and the phone still has warranty and that button its going to brick it keeps going more and more unresponsive.
So i didn't wanted to unlock and reflash because i may void my warranty in that case i still need it.
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You don't need to unlock anything in order to reflash the stock firmware with LG Support Tool.
That's what I was talking about. You don't know this because you didn't read enough about this device.
And about your warranty: if you'd search in that topic you may acknowledge that rooting doesn't void your warranty in most places as long as the failure (in your case the power button) isn't related to the slight software modification.
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You don't need to unlock anything in order to reflash the stock firmware with LG Support Tool.
That's what I was talking about. You don't know this because you didn't read enough about this device.
And about your warranty: if you'd search in that topic you may acknowledge that rooting doesn't void your warranty in most places as long as the failure (in your case the power button) isn't related to the slight software modification.
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Ye but i know here in my country all warranty providers are just looking for something that may void it and just root will void it i am sure.
But never thought support tool works after rooting or modification on software. i did not even think about searching for that you are right now.
Hello people!
Today I ordered an M7, I came from a Samsung S3 but it's faulty after 1.5 yrs. Still got 8 months of subscription left so had to buy a new phone.
I came by the HTC One series, and loved it. Design and everything is awesome. But what do you guys recommend me to do with the phone? Root it or keep it stock?
I have read through some stickies and came by things as bootloader and s-off but couldn't really find a conrete answer to what those things were. So, what are they exactly? With the S3 I had to flash a .tar file with Odin and the phone was rooted, ready for custom ROM's etc.
What do you love about your HTC One? And what advice about the phone can u forward to me?
This has been covered in numerous threads already (too many to link to), and in various forms. Almost every minute detail is covered...
Please take the time to explore this Forum, and don't forget to use search. Thanks.
J03llV said:
But what do you guys recommend me to do with the phone? Root it or keep it stock?
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This all depend what you need to do with your phone. If you don't need root, you don't have to root just for fun.
I have read through some stickies and came by things as bootloader and s-off but couldn't really find a conrete answer to what those things were. So, what are they exactly?
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S-OFF explained here
Bootloader explained here
With the S3 I had to flash a .tar file with Odin and the phone was rooted, ready for custom ROM's etc.
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Everything you have previously used with Samsung phones (like Odin) will not be useful with HTC phones. HTC phones are really different from Samsung. This is not really harder to root HTC phones but the procedure is different.
What do you love about your HTC One?
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And what advice about the phone can u forward to me?
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Unlock, ROOT or S-OFF only if needed.
Make sure you understand how the phone works before tampering with it
and also that you know how to revert everything back to stock before you make some mods.
read read and read again before doing anything
refer to the FAQ in this forum (sticky thread) before asking questions. Most common issues are covered there.
and like said above by the mod, search the forum before posting, There is a ton of helpful threads here. You probably want to read all sticky threads of the General and Q&A section and have a look to the most recent threads. Use the search function before posting.
alray said:
This all depend what you need to do with your phone. If you don't need root, you don't have to root just for fun.
S-OFF explained here
Bootloader explained here
Everything you have previously used with Samsung phones (like Odin) will not be useful with HTC phones. HTC phones are really different from Samsung. This is not really harder to root HTC phones but the procedure is different.
discussion covered here
Unlock, ROOT or S-OFF only if needed.
Make sure you understand how the phone works before tampering with it
and also that you know how to revert everything back to stock before you make some mods.
read read and read again before doing anything
refer to the FAQ in this forum (sticky thread) before asking questions. Most common issues are covered there.
and like said above by the mod, search the forum before posting, There is a ton of helpful threads here. You probably want to read all sticky threads of the General and Q&A section and have a look to the most recent thread. Use the search function before posting.
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U are the best! Thank you so much!