When I heard the Optimus Black was coming to Sprint USA in the form of the LG Marquee, I was very excited.
But it appears that the Sprint version was not met with the same positive reception. Users complained about poor battery (one person even said it seems to run out faster than it can charge), dropped signal randomly, and general screen lag during transitions.
I finally got a chance to use one in a store display recently (wrote about the experience here), and I must admit it seemed to have more screen lag than any of the other devices on display, even compared to an Optimus S (Optimus One variant). There are some folks who are tweaking it to work for them and like it well enough, but I recall hearing such great things about the Optimus Black, so I'm wondering where the discrepancy lies between these two devices.
Could it be Gingerbread?
The Marquee ships with Gingerbread, which LG did a horrible job implementing on the Optimus S. In fact, Sprint pulled the Gingerbread update on the Optimus S after numerous complaints about battery life and poor performance. Could it be that LG jumped the gun on this and should have stuck to Froyo?
What do you Optimus Black owners think of all this?
Well if this is true, then it does make sense why LG is still not releasing GB update for OB. Perhaps they may be trying to make it less bug than Marquee.
Can't say more untill GB is released officially for OB.
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Well if this is true, then it does make sense why LG is still not releasing GB update for OB. Perhaps they may be trying to make it less bug than Marquee.
Can't say more untill GB is released officially for OB.
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That is the case i imagine as the android 2.3 Gingerbread on the US Sprint version is not the full Gingerbread as i have read in several sites but its a very close Gingerbread release thats why it is so buggy
So they will be making it more stable and final release for the P970 whenever they decide its finished
Dishe,
When I am interested in a product, I normally do some research on it 1st. I go to forums expecting to read the pros & cons. Obviously, forums are filled with posts & threads (from people like yourself) that express their opinions of a specific product. I have no problem with that at all. I know how to filter through posts that are BS. I don't have any problem with differences of opinions, nor a problem with someone out there doesn't like this phone or has had a negative personal experience with it....but I do have a problem w/ false or incorrect information.
Which is why I have a problem w/ your posts. You have gone on multiple different forums/websites& repeatedly posted negative, some false & unconfirmed information about a phone a) you don't personally own & b) have not really given a fair amount of time with (messing with a store Demo imo doesn't count). Either way, there have been more people (like myself) that have posted numerous POSITIVE reviews/fixes/advice about this phone you seem to ignore. More importantly, even with these suggestions out there, you repeatedly continue to post information that is confusing & contradicting to someone that might be interested in purchasing this specific phone.
BTW, before continuing to post incorrect information about Sprint new return policy. As I have not seen ANYWHERE (except for your posts) that Sprint only will give you 14 days to return from the date the order is placed or when the phone ships. I am actually pretty sure it's from the day the phone is received in hand & gets activated on the account. Anyways, it might be worth it for you to check on that & be sure to 100% confirm your information WITH SPRINT before posting that again.
You have implied LG might have a problem w/ Gingerbread. If your opinion is based on the pulled Gingerbread release for the Optimus S & if so what does it have to do with this phone?? Gingerbread seems to be working just fine on my LG Marquee. In addition, I do not think it was released for this phone pre-maturely.
This phone has never been promoted as a "replacement for the Optimus S" (once again, except with your posts). Although with SOME carriers it shares the Optimus name....but it doesn't with Sprint. In fact, you can still purchase a brand new Optimus S today from Sprint if you wanted to. Which tells me, this is just another phone in the Sprints product line....is it an improvement from the Optimus S?? Yes, absolutely....but not a direct replacement.
As to why Sprint isn't promoting this phone?? Who knows & more importantly who cares. Stop looking for some conspiracy theory or personal vendetta....My conclusion?? I am sure over the last month the iPhone release has squashed most of the promotion for newer phones (the LG Marquee isn't the only phone suffering right now from a lack of promotion).
This phone will not perform at the same levels as 4G phones (iPhone, Evo, Epic, Nexus). If you think it will or are expecting it to, prepare to be disappointed. This phone should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as those phones. Although physically similar to the Optimus Black, this IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PHONE internally...it shouldn't be compared to the LG Esteem (Metro PCS) either. It's apples & oranges here & once again should not be compared.
This phone was never promised to be anything more than a mid level 3G Android phone. Everything I have read from either LG or Sprint has never implied otherwise. With the exception of the LED notification that is in the manual (most likely a misprint), there has not been any info printed, released or promised about this specific phone (LG MARQUEE) from either manufacturer that hasn't been delivered. If you want gorilla glass, it doesn't have it....it also doesn't have a the same dedicated camera button as the Optimus S but DOES have a dedicated hard button (set as the Camera button by default) although it does not seem to support a half-way press to lock focus. It also does not have a slide out keyboard so if you want one/or must have it, THIS PHONE IS NOT FOR YOU.
LAG/STUTTER
The only negative thing I have found is there is an initial lag, stutter, lack of "smoothness" with the STOCK launcher program of this phone. In addition, I couldn't find a way to customize it to my liking. So I downloaded Launcher Pro which for those who don't know is a different Launcher App found in the Market. There is a free & paid version. I also tried ADW Launcer as well (pretty sure there is only a paid version). I liked them both as they both have alot of customization options, but personally I like Launcher Pro a little better. I can't even tell you why. It's just the one I decided on & it works for me.
SIGNAL ISSUE
There were 1-2 people that initially posted they had a signal issue. it was also made it VERY clear in follow up posts that the signal problem MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE PHONE but most likely because they were in a low signal area. For the record, I have not experienced ANY drop outs, missed calls, or signal problems with the TWO LG Marquee phones that I personally own (since October 13th).
SCREEN RESPONSE
There was 1 person that reported a screen response issue....no one else, that I can find has been able to recreate or had the screen response problem. Again, I have not experienced ANY screen response issues or problems with the TWO LG Marquee phones that I personally own (since October 13th).
BATTERY LIFE
Yes, there are phones out there w/ better Battery life. With that said, there is a very helpful post (the one you hijacked) with really good tips on how to improve the Battery life of this phone. For the record, I applied most (not all) of the tips to my TWO LG Marquee phones that I personally own & am able to get 18-24 hours of pretty steady use without having to recharge. Your comment of "put the phone in airplane mode" doesn't really make sense & no one ever said to that btw (just you). Every tip mentioned still allows you to receive calls & texts. Here's the deal, with any phone shutting off a function that is not being used will increase your Battery life in the long run.
Brightness - If you keep the phone at 100% brightness, your battery will drop quickly. If you can adjust it & keep it lower it may help improve your Battery life.
Keeping the Data Sync, GPS, Bluetooth and Wifi are on (even they aren't being used) will drain the battery. Shutting them off when not in use will help improve Battery life. There is a free power control widget that comes with the phone but for more customization options, the EXTENDED CONTROLS App is recommended.
btw...there are more tips...search & you will find.
ROOT
This phone can be rooted....very easily. Again search & you will find.
ACCESSORIES:
Since the Marquee is a PHYSICAL clone of the Optimus Black accessories are VERY EASY TO FIND. Search Google, Amazon, eBay, etc.
In closing, if you are reading this, my goal wasn't to bash Dishe as much as it was to provide a different perspective & info to help anyone interested or looking at Sprint's LG Marquee. I personally own two of these phones & coming from a Touch Pro 2, I couldn't be happier. I am looking forward to more people getting this phone so together we can make it even better.
Aha...
Only one question for you, how much does Sprint or LG pay for your services?
- If they pay you a lot, congratulations, you are doing a good job.
- If they pay you a little or just nothing... I don't understand your way to appear into a forum and post this great manifest in your very first post... incredible.
To say that I'm in absolute agree with you regarding to the spammer-actitude of some people in this and other forums... I usually try to be a little bit more constructive...
Regards.
Huexxx , perhaps he is one of Sprint/LG employee... LOL
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Aha...
Only one question for you, how much does Sprint or LG pay for your services?
- If they pay you a lot, congratulations, you are doing a good job.
- If they pay you a little or just nothing... I don't understand your way to appear into a forum and post this great manifest in your very first post... incredible.
To say that I'm in absolute agree with you regarding to the spammer-actitude of some people in this and other forums... I usually try to be a little bit more constructive...
Regards.
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I'm not getting paid at all...nor am I an employee. I own the phone & don't want people to steer away from it because of inaccurate posts. I am hoping more & more people embrace the phone, so in turn there can be more support out there in making this phone better.
Although, this is my 1st post hereI am active in other forums under the same username NOSAJSAM
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I'm not getting paid at all...nor am I an employee. I own the phone & don't want people to steer away from it because of inaccurate posts. I am hoping more & more people embrace the phone, so in turn there can be more support out there in making this phone better.
Although, this is my 1st post hereI am active in other forums under the same username NOSAJSAM
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Yeah, it's a point of view... you have convinced me.
Regards.
Nosajsam is very active in the Android Central forum for the Marquee.
What he says in his post is true and is gleaned from the experience of users that have posted in that forum.
The problem that he, I and others at Android Central have with "dishe" is that he has been ripping the Marquee for a couple of weeks in any forum he can post in and he doesn't even have the phone and hasn't even held one until a couple of days ago.
Please refer to http://forums.androidcentral.com/sprint-lg-marquee/118994-marquee-improvements-over-optimus-s-2.html post #13.
We (from Android Central) don't mind someone pointing out flaws and giving opinions as long as they have at least used the phone for more that a demo in a phone store.
Good job, guys. Go ahead and deny the issues so that no one is interested in fixing them. At least I'm trying to figure out what happened here. For the record, nosa is coming from a windows mobile 6.5 device. As his first Android experience, I'm sure he is plenty impressed. But it would appear that those upgrading from another android device do not have good things to say. And I'd like to find out where lg deviated.
But it doesn't matter. I'm not here to troll or give negative opinions. These guys just get really defensive about this product. I would like to help bring the marquee up to the performance it SHOULD be capable of. All you two seem to do are get defensive and say everything is fine and I don't know what I'm talking about. Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, as far as wanting consumers to get the right idea- I agree, but not sure if the opinion of someone who has been using a touch pro 2 all this time is as helpful as you think. Sprint's policies have changed recently, ask them yourself. Folks have been reported this for a while, my own brother got screwed with a different phone, and at least one person who tried to get the marquee almost did as well. If I were researching a phone, followed your advice and then got stuck with this, I'd likely be pretty angry at you. What you have to remember is that this is your opinion. I am entitled to mine and we are both allowed to share and disagree. You think mine is invalid because it is based on other users posts and a very limited actual time with the device, and I think yours is invalid because you are new to the scene and don't have enough background to compare it to. Both may have merit. But your tone here is uncalled for.
I apologize to xda for bringing their hostility here. Thankfully they do not represent all of this or that other forum.
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Good job, guys. Go ahead and deny the issues so that no one is interested in fixing them. At least I'm trying to figure out what happened here. For the record, nosa is coming from a windows mobile 6.5 device. As his first Android experience, I'm sure he is plenty impressed. But it would appear that those upgrading from another android device do not have good things to say. And I'd like to find out where lg deviated.
But it doesn't matter. I'm not here to troll or give negative opinions. These guys just get really defensive about this product. I would like to help bring the marquee up to the performance it SHOULD be capable of. All you two seem to do are get defensive and say everything is fine and I don't know what I'm talking about. Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, as far as wanting consumers to get the right idea- I agree, but not sure if the opinion of someone who has been using a touch pro 2 all this time is as helpful as you think. Sprint's policies have changed recently, ask them yourself. Folks have been reported this for a while, my own brother got screwed with a different phone, and at least one person who tried to get the marquee almost did as well. If I were researching a phone, followed your advice and then got stuck with this, I'd likely be pretty angry at you. What you have to remember is that this is your opinion. I am entitled to mine and we are both allowed to share and disagree. You think mine is invalid because it is based on other users posts and a very limited actual time with the device, and I think yours is invalid because you are new to the scene and don't have enough background to compare it to. Both may have merit. But your tone here is uncalled for.
I apologize to xda for bringing their hostility here. Thankfully they do not represent all of this or that other forum.
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Again, there are more & more people posting positive reviews & experiences EVERYDAY (that you ignore) & in the meantime you still seem to think this phone has a problem. Its not a matter of denial here...there have not been any consistent reported issues yet with the Sprint LG MARQUEE that need to be fixed. (by consistent I mean acknowledged with ALL owners of) Please don't misunderstand, the Marquee isn't perfect but with very simple tweaks (apps &/or settings) it can perform better....btw isn't this the case w/ EVERY phone??
Your Optimus S which I am VERY familiar with (my Brother, Mom, Dad & Sister in Law own them) was not initially without its share of problems. I can almost guarantee you were not 1st in line when the Optimus S came out because if you were, you would know exactly what I am talking about. We are also discussing a phone (Optimus S) that has been out for over a year with tons of support from people & developers continuously coming up with ways to make that phone better. The tweaks & improvements that can be applied to that Optimus S as of today, are not at all close to what it was upon it's initial release. The Marquee has been out less than 1 month & as you even mention, has not been widely available in Sprint stores (although, my local Radio Shack & Best Buy has had it in stock from Day 1). My point is the Marquee is still a baby. I am sure in time the more people mess with it, more & more improvements will be found...
Listen, I may not be thrilled w/ Sprints new 14 day return window either, but complaining about it has nothing to do w/ this phone or its performance. So mentioning it in each of your posts seems irrelevant to me.
Although its true, I have not posted here frequently but as it was mentioned, I am very active in other forums. Regardless of my post count, I would hope my opinion has WAY more merit to someone considering buying this phone, since I actually OWN THE DEVICE (2 of them).
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hey look, an ice cream truck !!!
I'm not going to bother replying to everything in each forum you have followed me to, but I will at least respond to some of your concerns here.
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Again, there are more & more people posting positive reviews & experiences EVERYDAY (that you ignore) & in the meantime you still seem to think this phone has a problem.
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Ok, wanna shut me up on this issue? Post links to some of them, and I'll post links to the complaints. We'll see who has more. But it shouldn't matter, because the very fact that there ARE some to link to means that at least some folks have returned the phone due to legitimate problems. I'm not here to play "he said/she said".
Its not a matter of denial here...there have not been any consistent reported issues yet with the Sprint LG MARQUEE that need to be fixed. (by consistent I mean acknowledged with ALL owners of)
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Dear l-rd, is that your criteria? If Bob's mom likes the phone despite everyone else having severe problems it is, it must not be a real problem?
I really think you might be alone in this definition.
Please don't misunderstand, the Marquee isn't perfect but with very simple tweaks (apps &/or settings) it can perform better....btw isn't this the case w/ EVERY phone??
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Yes, but some devices more than others. Some devices, like the Sanyo Zio, were doomed from the start because of an underpowered GPU. And others, like the original Samsung Transform (not the new Ultra, which admittedly seems kind of nice), had performance problems that may have been driver related, however were never properly fixed. I followed that one for a while too.
While I can't vouch for the battery and other issues since I'm only basing that on complaints heard from people who returned (or tried to return) the device, I can tell you first hand that the Marquee was laggier than any of the other devices on display (which included other 3G devices in the same class, such as the Moto Admiral and XPRT). All running a stock launcher. And comparing to demonstrations of the Optimus Black, there is definitely a discrepancy here somewhere. Something went wrong because we know it COULD be better, even strictly speaking of stock experiences.
Your Optimus S which I am VERY familiar with (my Brother, Mom, Dad & Sister in Law own them) was not initially without its share of problems. I can almost guarantee you were not 1st in line when the Optimus S came out because if you were, you would know exactly what I am talking about. We are also discussing a phone (Optimus S) that has been out for over a year with tons of support from people & developers continuously coming up with ways to make that phone better.
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Again, be careful about what you assume.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg...de-rooting-custom-roms-optimus-s-edition.html
I was, actually one of the early adopters of the Optimus S. We didn't have Clockwork mod or custom roms, or even JIT back then. I was a part of the scene for all of that, even contributed when I could to the collective. Do you know why I bought the Optimus back then versus the Transform?
Because it was smooth out of the box. Because without any tweaking, it had more FPS than the HTC EVO when conducting OpenGL 3D tests. Because LG did something right, and actually stood out as a smooth user experience.
Again, out of the box. No tweaking required. A stock Optimus S has much better performance than a stock Marquee, side by side. As well as just about any other device on display in the store that is a current generation handset.
Meanwhile, a better question to you in all this, is why do you feel the need to follow me around and post your personal vendetta against me in random threads across the internet?
Squirrel!
I have the Marquee and I am quite happy with it. My only complaint is the short battery life but a bit of tweaking should fix that. I received mine a few days after it was released.
I have a BS in computer science and quite a bit of experience with Android. Take it for what its worth
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Squirrel!
I have the Marquee and I am quite happy with it. My only complaint is the short battery life but a bit of tweaking should fix that. I received mine a few days after it was released.
I have a BS in computer science and quite a bit of experience with Android. Take it for what its worth
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How did you fix the battery life? Mine drains like a mofo
Try the suggestions from here:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sp...improve-your-battery-life-responsiveness.html
Using these suggestions, most of us see around 3% per hour drop in battery and see 18-24 hours of life with moderate use.
I would also recommend Juice Defender Ultimate from the market. A very worthwhile investment.
Also, one thing to keep in mind is that cell signal really impacts your life. If you spend most of your day in an area that has only one bar or intermittent signal, you are going to have a struggle to keep your Marquee alive.
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I'm a current iPhone 3G owner and I'm due for an upgrade. I was at the AT&T store last week buying my girlfriend an iPhone4(ironic, right?) and saw the Captivate. I picked up the phone and fell in love, I love the screen, love the interface, loved everything about it. My immediate reaction was, I need to have this phone, this is going to be my upgrade. I start reading around websites and forums and all I've been reading is negative things about the Captivate.
My question is, is the Captivate an upgrade over the 3G and is there really that many issues with it? I'm growing tired of the same ole, bland ole iPhone and love the customazation available with the Cap.
Thank you.
Of cause it is an upgrade to your 2 year old iPhone 3G. This is the world of tech.
And yes, there is a lot of issues too. Because there is no perfect thing in this world.
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I came from an iphone 3G, and it is definitely an upgrade from the iphone, yet a learning curve because the 2 OS' are completely different! But so worth the switch!!
Sent From My Captivate
If youre techie prone the galaxy is for you.
From rooting, to lag fix, sideloading, tethering, etc... you'll love this phone
I know i do
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If youre techie prone the galaxy is for you.
From rooting, to lag fix, sideloading, tethering, etc... you'll love this phone
I know i do
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I don't think I'll have any problems with anything tech wise, reading around seeing all the issues is what really has detered me from this phone. I think I'm going to make the switch..
You won't regret it. There are fixes for most things, the only issue I have thats still nagging is the GPS problem.
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My question is, is the Captivate an upgrade over the 3G and is there really that many issues with it? I'm growing tired of the same ole, bland ole iPhone and love the customazation available with the Cap.
Thank you.
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Well, yes, of course the Captivate is an upgrade over the iPhone 3G; the screen alone (nonetheless the rest of its specs) should make that obvious.
Lastly, the only problems I really know with the Captivate is some having GPS issues, and the phone experiencing lag. Otherwise, everything is pretty much an acquired taste due to the switch from iOS to Android. If the Captivate will be your first Android phone, then I can pretty much assure you that that part --switching OSes -- will be the hardest.
I came from a 3GS and felt like it was an upgrade in every possible way, except the Marketplace. It's not quite there yet, but catching up fast.
There are a lot of problems with the phone, but I will tell you this. You will probably have to go through a handset or two (maybe more in some cases) before you find one that works as you expect. Don't be shy about exchanging the handset till you strike gold and don't see anything outside of the GPS issue, which is an admitted software fix from Samsung.
Outside of that, you will be overwhelmed at first. Learning a new OS is always a bit daunting, but when it's an open source OS it's even more so. You have to get yourself into the mindset of how to do things, as opposed to if you can do them. Tons of customization and software choices. The phone really lets you flex your personalization muscles. If you don't like the browser, download a different one. If you don't like the music player, there are 10 more to take it's place.
Hi,
Im new (ish) to this forum and currently looking for an upgrade from my Hero. Tbh if I didnt have to renew my contract I would be quite happy to keep it for another 18 months. So, I've been reading lots on this big ongoing debates about Desire vs SGS vs DHD..
I thought the SGS was going to be a win for me even with the GPS, Wifi, etc etc issues, imo they are considered as minor issues since its only software related (you pro developers will find a way around it one way or other! )
...Until a found this thread:
'AMOLED burn in' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892498
So I suppose my question is, knowing what you know now before you bought the phone. Would you SGS users still want to buy this instead of the other two mentioned above?
Is the SGS with the rate of led degradation that much better than the Desire or the DHD? Of course if you do change your phone often thats not an issue for you so please bare that in mind not everyone is as lucky as you .
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Hi,
Im new (ish) to this forum and currently looking for an upgrade from my Hero. Tbh if I didnt have to renew my contract I would be quite happy to keep it for another 18 months. So, I've been reading lots on this big ongoing debates about Desire vs SGS vs DHD..
I thought the SGS was going to be a win for me even with the GPS, Wifi, etc etc issues, imo they are considered as minor issues since its only software related (you pro developers will find a way around it one way or other! )
...Until a found this thread:
'AMOLED burn in' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892498
So I suppose my question is, knowing what you know now before you bought the phone. Would you SGS users still want to buy this instead of the other two mentioned above?
Is the SGS with the rate of led degradation that much better than the Desire or the DHD? Of course if you do change your phone often thats not an issue for you so please bare that in mind not everyone is as lucky as you .
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Depends on the needs of the person buying the phone - if you use your GPS daily I'd recommend waiting for a better device or getting the DHD. Otherwise I'd go with the SGS.
With the plethora of Tegra 2 devices coming in the next few months I'd suggest waiting.
Unless the most important thing is gaming i would suggest the desire HD. Its all round faster, especially if your not into "hacking" your phone.
The screen of the sgs does in fact "burn in". I have some on my screen, If i knew about it before i would have tried using different orientations.
The galaxy s also has very little ram when compared to the desire hd, and it actually does make a big difference when it comes to performance in general.
The the thing galaxy s has going for it is that its sold a lot, and the community is pretty great, but if you want something that simply just works get the desire Hd or even better wait for a few months and get a dual-core.
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So I suppose my question is, knowing what you know now before you bought the phone. Would you SGS users still want to buy this instead of the other two mentioned above?
Is the SGS with the rate of led degradation that much better than the Desire or the DHD? Of course if you do change your phone often thats not an issue for you so please bare that in mind not everyone is as lucky as you .
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To the degradation. It should be same on all amoleds. Its not the phone. Its the display causing that. So what ever you do. You might be better of with an SLCD.
Desire and DHD I think some of them are Amoled too. So it will be there too.
Btw the burn in, I still didnt see a picture of it. And I am afraid of checking my phone. Seriously. Now I am "not" knowing if its burned in. Once I check I would have to bring it in for repairs and I HATE THAT! (And there is the fact I am not running official stock)
What I dont like is the pentile matrix from these Super Amoleds. The resolution is too weak and small fonts are fading. Not readable. Missing pixels. Dunno how to explain more. Its not smooth. This should be fixed by the next gen Super Amoled +
So even if the BURN IN might or might not (its just a matter of time ) the pentile matrix is there always and the display even if nice colors and contrast lacks on sharpness. Good for movies, games, bad for a business man with reader/calendar/news/agenda, things that burn in and need to be good readable
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So even if the BURN IN might or might not (its just a matter of time ) the pentile matrix is there always and the display even if nice colors and contrast lacks on sharpness. Good for movies, games, bad for a business man with reader/calendar/news/agenda, things that burn in and need to be good readable
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Couldn't agree more. The very visible matrix is the main issue I have with this screen.
If I knew then what I know now(about the phone. don't get me started on the provider...), I would still have bought the phone then. I'm quite happy with the phone, and I'm going to keep it(and use it ofcourse) for a "long" time. However, given that "4G" LTE phones aren't far off, and that dual cores aren't far off, and that Super Amoled+ isn't far off, and that.... If I was thinking of buying a new phone now, I would wait for a few months and get one that's more "future proof".
Regards
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If I was thinking of buying a new phone now, I would wait for a few months and get one that's more "future proof"
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There is no such thing... And never will be. Look there are new phones with Tegra 2 and they are announcing Tegra 3.
Doesn't matter when you buy it. You can either buy an expensive new one. Or an older good one for cheaper.
(or wait a month for the ones you want, then a half year for a good ROM + software and there we go with a new phone and it begins again)
The time from producing a new phone and technology isn't years anymore, its months (sometimes just weeks) . Waiting in this case is for hours/days. To wait more then 2 weeks is nonsense (and that only if you really want the phone)
oh,i dont agree it,i think very visible matrix is not a big problem,if try to change your font,im sure u will find it change a lot
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oh,i dont agree it,i think very visible matrix is not a big problem,if try to change your font,im sure u will find it change a lot
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oh, I dont agree.
I bought 4 fonts (well more but others refunded till I still could in the good old 24h days), tried out 20, downloaded custom 20. Changed DPI. Bold. Etc. Fact is. My hero with 120 DPI (normal 160) is better readable then the SGS on 240.
When I try to read mails I get from partners, even this forum. Etc. I still cant see it clearly. Even if readable its still "ugly" . I saw an LCD (xperia, desire and the hero) and I just can cry for a screen like that
I said its pretty for movies or games, there ofc you wont notice it.
Audio stream when recording a video even at 720p is crap. I tried shooting a few the other day of my floorstanding speakers playing FLAC stuff, obviously im not expecting mirrored performance but after examining the video file generated by the phone on my computer, the bit rate was around 62kbps @ 32KHz sampling rate.
Audio playback is ok, nothing special, no way near the quality of an iphone4 which my sibling enjoys daily.
And yes the crap resolution where the individual pixels are visible is a HUGE turn off! I was expecting it to be much more smooth, almost fluid like, as is the iph4 display. However, colour reproduction on the SGS is phenomenal, rich and vibrant.
Id say check both phones out in person, see for yourself. SGS has a strong community, 10 mill units sold. Then again id say wait until the newer handsets with tegra 2 are out. In saying that though i suppose you'll be forever waiting. Dont rush for a handset thats still in its infancy. Wait till you know what bugs and drawbacks it suffers from first. NO device is perfect, even in the 21st century!
Too much technology packed into one unit without fully understanding how individual processes function not to mention varied performance when coupled with other technologies.
ok,i agree that the super amoled readable is worse than lcd,but i think it not too bad to accept,and when reading pictures or movies,it is wonderful,in a word ,it is much better than lcd,you know after desire change it‘s screen,it become much cheaper than before,
and i think Accor black for apple is a good font
Not gonna deny it, it's a tough choice. I've had my SGS for about 4 months now, and I'm extremely tempted to get it swapped with a HTC Desire Z/G2. I don't trust Samsung when it comes to software anymore (Kies is terrible, updates are postponed and I HIGHLY doubt we'll ever see gingerbread) and the developer support for Samsung devices just isn't there. This, plus my GPS performance is still mediocre at best, it's completely failed about 4 or 5 times including once where the internal SD nearly died.
Granted, some of this could change with the Nexus S, but I doubt it'll change much. We may get better developer support but past that I don't see anything else happening. You also just might want to wait a little bit more and get a 4G LTE phone. Don't expect to be "future-proof" though, that's impossible.
Hi
I have ben looking to buy the lg 2x optimus for a while. Reports of isues, the phone not working proberly, battery, bluetooth isues and so on, have ben holdning me off. And i have infact started to look for other phones, then i saw that cyanogenmod are adding support for this phone, and its getting pretty close. So i was wondering, will these isues that people are having, be resolved in cyanogenmod?
The reason i am looking for the optimus 2x, is because its only a 4", i think 4.3" is a bit to big, also if cyanogenmod is coming, and all the "isues" are solved with the phone i really thing this could be a nice phone that should be able to run icecream pretty good aswell, so it wont be outdated in ½ year.
oh, also its on sale atm.. should i strike or wait?
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Hi
I have ben looking to buy the lg 2x optimus for a while. Reports of isues, the phone not working proberly, battery, bluetooth isues and so on, have ben holdning me off. And i have infact started to look for other phones, then i saw that cyanogenmod are adding support for this phone, and its getting pretty close. So i was wondering, will these isues that people are having, be resolved in cyanogenmod?
The reason i am looking for the optimus 2x, is because its only a 4", i think 4.3" is a bit to big, also if cyanogenmod is coming, and all the "isues" are solved with the phone i really thing this could be a nice phone that should be able to run icecream pretty good aswell, so it wont be outdated in ½ year.
oh, also its on sale atm.. should i strike or wait?
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I think most of the issues are software issues and are getting fixed piece by piece. The real hardware issue, you sent the phone for warrenty.....
So I would go for the O2X. I have it since day one, and only Issue I had since then that the phone powerd off like 3 times. 3 Times in 2/3 months is ok for me Since the update it hasn't powerd itself off yet.
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I think most of the issues are software issues and are getting fixed piece by piece. The real hardware issue, you sent the phone for warrenty.....
So I would go for the O2X. I have it since day one, and only Issue I had since then that the phone powerd off like 3 times. 3 Times in 2/3 months is ok for me Since the update it hasn't powerd itself off yet.
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tnx for your fast reply, i was hoping for something like that. How is it for daily use? i guess the phone is ok, once you get all that lg crapware off the phone?
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tnx for your fast reply, i was hoping for something like that. How is it for daily use? i guess the phone is ok, once you get all that lg crapware off the phone?
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I was a HTC user. Almost all the smarthphones i've owned were from HTC.
All the HTC phones I've rooted. Not cause of custom roms or whatever.
Just some setting changes etc...
The O2X I havn't rooted yet. Why? Cause it works as it should work.
On the first stock rom I could get 1.5/2 days out of the battery. And even got 4 days (disabled internet). And now with the new rom I get one day. So that is also a software thing. But still I don't see the need of rooting the phone.
The phone works very good out of the box.
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I was a HTC user. Almost all the smarthphones i've owned were from HTC.
All the HTC phones I've rooted. Not cause of custom roms or whatever.
Just some setting changes etc...
The O2X I havn't rooted yet. Why? Cause it works as it should work.
On the first stock rom I could get 1.5/2 days out of the battery. And even got 4 days (disabled internet). And now with the new rom I get one day. So that is also a software thing. But still I don't see the need of rooting the phone.
The phone works very good out of the box.
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i am comming from a htc desire, that is running cyanogenmod, and tbh i wouldent be able to live with anything else, than that or a clean android experience.
For those, who are considering to buy O2X, my advice it to wait till gingerbread update is released. The phone is a promising one and I also think most of the problems described here, are software related. The UI is quite laggy sometimes, some people have reboot/battery drain/low incall quality etc. So w8 til gingerbread arrives.
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For those, who are considering to buy O2X, my advice it to wait till gingerbread update is released. The phone is a promising one and I also think most of the problems described here, are software related. The UI is quite laggy sometimes, some people have reboot/battery drain/low incall quality etc. So w8 til gingerbread arrives.
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it was my impresion that cyanogenmod was close, if so that would give it gingerbread?
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it was my impresion that cyanogenmod was close, if so that would give it gingerbread?
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He means the stock gingerbread. Not Cyanogenmod.
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For those, who are considering to buy O2X, my advice it to wait till gingerbread update is released. The phone is a promising one and I also think most of the problems described here, are software related. The UI is quite laggy sometimes, some people have reboot/battery drain/low incall quality etc. So w8 til gingerbread arrives.
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I agree with you. Wait for Gingerbread. If this update will not resolve all the problems then its a ****y product.
tnx for the response, desided to wait it out and see.. TBH unless the cm version for it, is bad, or anything like that, i would probaly buy it. I dont plan on running a stock rom any way, i am considering it just because there is cm for it
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I agree with you. Wait for Gingerbread. If this update will not resolve all the problems then its a ****y product.
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TBH it's a ****ty product for now and hopefully new firmwares will fix it; for now it's a strange and very picky device. I always think back to the days I just got my HTC Hero; that device only got "fixed" due to paul 'o brien and the cyanogenmod team otherwise i had been selling it a long time ago. Still got the hero though and recently flashed one of the latest oxygen roms on it and it actually amazed me how solid and fast it was; that is one of the beauties of these kind of phones; the communities behind it fixing things.
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TBH it's a ****ty product for now and hopefully new firmwares will fix it; for now it's a strange and very picky device. I always think back to the days I just got my HTC Hero; that device only got "fixed" due to paul 'o brien and the cyanogenmod team otherwise i had been selling it a long time ago. Still got the hero though and recently flashed one of the latest oxygen roms on it and it actually amazed me how solid and fast it was; that is one of the beauties of these kind of phones; the communities behind it fixing things.
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But as long the HW isent "bad" or there are isues with the hardware, i dont see why the phone wouldt be a good buy, as long you know, you need to root and mod it, in order to get a prober phone.
after all the tmobile version runs pretty good i am told, so its more or less software isues?
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But as long the HW isent "bad" or there are isues with the hardware, i dont see why the phone wouldt be a good buy, as long you know, you need to root and mod it, in order to get a prober phone.
after all the tmobile version runs pretty good i am told, so its more or less software isues?
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The stock android experience on the tmobile version still has some of the quirks we experience in the rest of the world, but even with the LG crapware software layer it can be an awesome phone but just don't treat it as a normal android phone; leave the LG crap in place and build on top of it or your phone will reboot/hang/go black (in my experience)
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The stock android experience on the tmobile version still has some of the quirks we experience in the rest of the world, but even with the LG crapware software layer it can be an awesome phone but just don't treat it as a normal android phone; leave the LG crap in place and build on top of it or your phone will reboot/hang/go black (in my experience)
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so just to be clear, if i remove all the lg crapware, the phone will run badly ?i thought it was the other way around.
As things stand OP, I just wouldn't bother with this phone...
Had it nearly a month now.. fantastic hardware but the software sucks big time. Super slow and battery life sucks (probably due to software).
Thoughts of waiting for Gingerbread are all well, but LG managed to screw up the current software so well that I have complete faith that they will also screw up that too.
In a couple of months the Galaxy S2 will be out followed a bit later by the Atrix.. I dare say they won't be perfect but I don't think they can be as bad as LG's "effort"..
I really wish I had a HTC Desire, a 2 year old phone over my O2X...
Don't get me wrong, I love Android to pieces, but IMHO if Google can't sort out the mess that too many manufacturers are making of their OS by sticking their own crap on top and making it awful... it'll just push people towards Apple (who I hate). The man in the street just wants a phone that works and doesn't want to be messing around with custom roms etc.
This phone needs a lot of work to make it useable. Out of the box, this phone was crap, battery died within 10 hours, hanged 2-3 times when charging and browsing and needed to take out the battery.
I have some spare time this weekend and finally tried the vanilla rom from paul. It works perfect! No lg crapware, just pure google.
I'm using opera for my browser, listen to music for 4-5 hours with poweramp, downloaded some apps, play samurai 2, and the battery finally died after 30 hours!
Hello,
I have been reading this forum in the past few days but I still can not decide what smartphone should I buy for my birthday which is in about 2 weeks.
To be honest I have never owned a smartphone before, so when I decided to get one recently, I thought it might be better start off with a medium category Samsung Galaxy Ace for about 135 EUR (discounted price as a loyal sub-er).
However, after some further readings I realised it might be better to get a premium category O2X for about 270 EUR (with the same discount), since it will not outdate as fast as SGA, so probably I can use it for 2-3 years while SGA has already lesser apps and its slower processor will be outdated relatively soon. I do not intend to buy any new phone for 2-3 years after I get one now.
Also as a newbie, I think it will take me some time to get familiar with android features so waiting for updates should not be an issue for me (having the freezes and Gingerbread in mind).
As it stands now, O2X seems to be a better investment for me for the long term, but as I have no experience wiht smartphones at all I would like to hear your opinion as well - thanks in advance.
topanyel said:
Hello,
I have been reading this forum in the past few days but I still can not decide what smartphone should I buy for my birthday which is in about 2 weeks.
To be honest I have never owned a smartphone before, so when I decided to get one recently, I thought it might be better start off with a medium category Samsung Galaxy Ace for about 135 EUR (discounted price as a loyal sub-er).
However, after some further readings I realised it might be better to get a premium category O2X for about 270 EUR (with the same discount), since it will not outdate as fast as SGA, so probably I can use it for 2-3 years while SGA has already lesser apps and its slower processor will be outdated relatively soon. I do not intend to buy any new phone for 2-3 years after I get one now.
Also as a newbie, I think it will take me some time to get familiar with android features so waiting for updates should not be an issue for me (having the freezes and Gingerbread in mind).
As it stands now, O2X seems to be a better investment for me for the long term, but as I have no experience wiht smartphones at all I would like to hear your opinion as well - thanks in advance.
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those here that can cope with the o2x know what we've been talking about. How does a fresh one fit in?
- need 2x day on a battery?
don't go near android (but it can be done)
- need an ios like expeience?
the o2x is a no go; you're better of with a high end htc phone
- cutting edge?
the o2x could be it; for now the nexus 1 and nexus S are a better choice
- UX
sense -> go htc! or maybe Sony/Eric
- the most powerfull phone
hey this could be it, for 4 months
You should buy it, cuz it hasent locked bootloader and it very easy phone for the developers, so there will be very good roms, and btw. CM7 is on the way :=)
arielext said:
those here that can cope with the o2x know what we've been talking about. How does a fresh one fit in?
- need 2x day on a battery?
don't go near android (but it can be done)
- need an ios like expeience?
the o2x is a no go; you're better of with a high end htc phone
- cutting edge?
the o2x could be it; for now the nexus 1 and nexus S are a better choice
- UX
sense -> go htc! or maybe Sony/Eric
- the most powerfull phone
hey this could be it, for 4 months
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Thanks for feedback.
The problem is that my provider currently sells 3 types of HTC: Wildfire, Desire and Desire HD. HTC DHD would cost 430 EUR which seems too much for me, normal desire would cost nearly as much as O2X.
Also nexus phones are not avaliable at my provider and there are only 3 types of Xperias avaliable from S/E which I dont really like.
I am kinda bound to my current provider so I do not think I have too many possibilities..
Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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Mustoura said:
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
DBBGBA said:
I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
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Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Mustoura said:
Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times
Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP
That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples
I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.
I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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I finally had enough and jumped ship. I got what I originally wanted but was too impatient to wait, the Galaxy Skyrocket. I had to dish out full price (used) but it's worth it. The amount of frustration using the Thrill was far outweighing the cost of just getting a new phone. i've found that the only thing that made the Thrill bearable was by flashing CM7 but then you lose any benefit of having it to begin with (3d).
FTR, I had flashed GB O3D rom on this phone and used that for the past 3 months or so prior to finally flashing CM7 and losing the 3d.
The 3d isn't worth the disadvantages of having this phone after all and I wish I had listened to others from the beginning. Even with CM7, the phone is nowhere near as snappy and productive as the STOCK bloated rom on the Samsung Galaxy S2 phones. Prior to having the Skyrocket, I didn't quite understand what the advantage would be, if you compared specs to specs. Apparently there is something else other than hardware specs that makes one android phone simply better than the other hands down. Sorry for the rant, but I am posting this in case others who have been putting up with their Thrill have been on the fence and don't know what they're missing. I bought the Thrill 1 week prior to its release date and have been a trooper putting up with it until this week. I'm so glad to be done with it, it's now sitting in my junk drawer. Good riddance!
Not trying to be rude, but it'd be nice if useless clutter such as this was not posted.
It's completely irrelevant.
i dont know why ppl hate this phone so much i love it after rooting it and putting a custom rom on it rocks the house have no problems with missed calls or sms's np gettting a full day out of the battery now that were off froyo my buddy at work has an sg2 and my phone is just as fast as his phone.
I do not know why people are complaining about this phone either... I have put the thriller rom on it and the battery is lasting for almost 2 full days now... I still have my 3D (which if you ask me is much nicer in theory than it is in actuality.) and rarely use it... You people that are complaining about it as you are, are just too damn picky... Lighten up and enjoy the phone for what it can do. Dont just jump on the "oh i cant upgrade to GB so its shyt" bandwagon...
We're complaining because some of us (myself) ditched the iPhone for a more "open" platform that we wouldn't have to worry about hacking as much so we could do stuff that a phone should do without jailbreaking. I was always doing stuff to my iPhone to the point where it was very unstable an I just wanted to go legit. So I got an Android, now the only way to get anything out of it is to mod and hack again, which bumps you right back into that "sketchy" territory. I'm glad roms and hacks work for you but there are cons to those pro's as well. I've spent far to much time flashing KDZ's on this phone trying to get it functional. Not a single GB worked for me and I tried them all. I always had ghost calls. I've been considering the SGSII so I'm glad to hear it's as good as I think/hope it is.
Update: to further reply to your "I don't know why your complaining" comment about "being too damn picky" All I want is for my phone to last 1 day and not miss any phone calls. Oh, and not freeze in the middle of a game or app. On froyo my battery life is ****e and there is tons of freezing. On GB I miss calls and texts on a regular basis. Now tell me I'm being picky.
I don't think it's the case of being too picky, it's the quality of the phone and the company that gets people. Think about it LG knew the battery life of these phone would be shytty while testing it but they still released it.... plus to my understanding their updating progress is way to long of a wait for such a powerful phone, by the time we "may" get an ICS update jellybean will be out (I think) As for my experience with thrill my only issue was the battery life (which I took care of) other than that I love my phone and very satisfied with it
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I used one of my upgrades to get a galaxy note. Stock for stock the thrill was almost as fAst as it and scored much better on fps in graphics tests. I've oc'd the note now and the thrill doesn't come close. I could see the thrill being just as quick oc'd and tweaked. And, the thrill plays more games without having to do any tweaking. Don't get me wrong, i gave the thrill to my son and will probably never go back to the thrill only because of the screen size and lte. Though i did give the son strict orders to take care of it as i want it back when he finally upgrades.
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I used one of my upgrades to get a galaxy note. Stock for stock the thrill was almost as fAst as it and scored much better on fps in graphics tests. I've oc'd the note now and the thrill doesn't come close. I could see the thrill being just as quick oc'd and tweaked. And, the thrill plays more games without having to do any tweaking. Don't get me wrong, i gave the thrill to my son and will probably never go back to the thrill only because of the screen size and lte. Though i did give the son strict orders to take care of it as i want it back when he finally upgrades.
Sent from a Galaxy far, far away!
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I just finished putting thiaz03d 2.6 with 1158 oc kernel .4 and stripping it down to the apps that I use and man this phone is blazing fast did a antutu benchmark and scored 6538 witch is higher then a stock sg2 so I'm very happy with this phone now it just flys.
Posts like this crack me up, hence my screen name haha. I love this phone. It's got an awesome screen, super fast dual core processor and a high quality feel to the build. All the samsung phones just feel like they're made out of toy plastic. I'm also glad LG doesn't try to overwhelm us with an over-the-top Android overlay such as Sense, TouchWiz, MotoBlur, etc. I replaced the stock launcher with launcher pro as soon as I got it and it got much better battery life. LG Home is a battery sucker and a resource hog. I like the widgets they provided with it too, they're really classy and useful. For a phone with only 512 MB of RAM, I usually manage to get around 200 MB of RAM free when I'm not running anything. Try asking someone with a Captivate how much of their memory they can get free (usually about 100 MB or less), they'll be shocked when you say you can get that. I think the people who complain are too unfamiliar with the Android operating system and its customizability and were just looking for something that works without any tweaking. If you want something like that, just get an iphone. And I'm not knocking that at all, Apple only builds one phone for a reason, so they can concentrate on it and make it work flawlessly despite any perceived hardware shortcomings. But I'm glad I chose my Thrill so I can make it do what I want it to do, and it does. And nothing beat the price point this thing was at back in September.
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Posts like this crack me up, hence my screen name haha. I love this phone. It's got an awesome screen, super fast dual core processor and a high quality feel to the build. All the samsung phones just feel like they're made out of toy plastic. I'm also glad LG doesn't try to overwhelm us with an over-the-top Android overlay such as Sense, TouchWiz, MotoBlur, etc. I replaced the stock launcher with launcher pro as soon as I got it and it got much better battery life. LG Home is a battery sucker and a resource hog. I like the widgets they provided with it too, they're really classy and useful. For a phone with only 512 MB of RAM, I usually manage to get around 200 MB of RAM free when I'm not running anything. Try asking someone with a Captivate how much of their memory they can get free (usually about 100 MB or less), they'll be shocked when you say you can get that. I think the people who complain are too unfamiliar with the Android operating system and its customizability and were just looking for something that works without any tweaking. If you want something like that, just get an iphone. And I'm not knocking that at all, Apple only builds one phone for a reason, so they can concentrate on it and make it work flawlessly despite any perceived hardware shortcomings. But I'm glad I chose my Thrill so I can make it do what I want it to do, and it does. And nothing beat the price point this thing was at back in September.
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Hardware is nothing without good support. And LG support frankly isn't very good.
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Hardware is nothing without good support. And LG support frankly isn't very good.
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i havent had any problems with lg support there always straight up with me told me when were getting ics when i asked and also to the guy above you i get 200 to 250mb free when i close all my apps so i cant complain at all
i know some ppl have this ghost call thing but you ever think its your carrier and not lg ive used all the roms that claim to have gc probs and i never had any.
I eligible to upgrade and a white galaxy note is what I might get depending on how long at&fee decides to update to ics. Along with that a lag fix and price drop.
I never get more than 100 ram free unless I just stopped playing a heavy game and that's only for a few seconds before everything launches again. What in the world are you doing to get 200 free?
Are you using the stock launcher or a (better) one from the market? I use launcher pro, and it uses much less resources from what I can tell. Whenever I tried going back to LG Home, I noticed there was so much less free memory in the app manager. Actually right now I only have about 76 MB free, but that's because I let Gmail, Go SMS Pro, Opera Mobile, Pandora, and the finance app stay in there because I use them all the time. If I clear them out I'll be over 160 MB and in the green easy.
well i have thiaz03d rom 2.6 and it has lgs newest launcher then i used that post in the 03d forum to remove all the apps that im not using and froze every thing that i didnt want to delete that i dont us i pertty much striped my phone right down and install only the files for my phone and apps i use to run. o and hardly any thing runs in the back ground.
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Posts like this should be deleted by the mod. It serves no useful purpose and just sounds likes a duck quacking on a pond.
The phone is what you make of it. All smartphones are. if you dont like battery life, find the culprit and eliminate it. If you dont like stock, root it. If you dont like something you have acquired because you didnt do your homework dont whine about it in a place where people are trying to make the best of what they have chosen. Keep your mouth shut and move on. Dont like the phone, go write a review on cnet.
Quack! please delete this along with the whole string
Don't defend LG till they fix the phone
Firstly everyone who doesn’t get ghost calls, are you shore? have you checked, I am only saying this since it is hard to tell, I didn’t think I wasn’t getting any until lots of people started saying that I never answer my phone, and when I started testing it guess what to my surprise I was getting them, and it’s so random that it might happen only 1 out of 20 or even 1 out of 50 but since it is random when it happens you never know, I once was testing it I called 6 times in a row and it was 6 out of 6 ghost calls, and the thing with ghost calls they don’t go to the answering machine they don’t leave missed call notifications and it’s the same with text msg's there is no trace of them at all, and for the people that are calling you they just think you are being rude by not answering or never returning their calls not to mention missing important business calls, so I know when some people say I never get them well for all you know you have and never realised it, and how can anyone defend LG's O3D/Thrill when they have such a serious issue and still haven’t fixed it, not to mention people who get the error "reorganizing internal processes" when trying to call out which I have had in the past, what if you are in an emergency and you need to call but all you get in "reorganizing internal processes" and then you have to wait for the phone to fix itself or restart it, and we all know how long the O3D/Thrill takes to start up don’t we, or you go to make a call and have no reception and have to restart the phone, or have you forgetting the main purpose of a mobile = calling and communication....
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Posts like this should be deleted by the mod. It serves no useful purpose and just sounds likes a duck quacking on a pond.
The phone is what you make of it. All smartphones are. if you dont like battery life, find the culprit and eliminate it. If you dont like stock, root it. If you dont like something you have acquired because you didnt do your homework dont whine about it in a place where people are trying to make the best of what they have chosen. Keep your mouth shut and move on. Dont like the phone, go write a review on cnet.
Quack! please delete this along with the whole string
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Don't like these posts? Quit reading them.
On a lighter note I will buy any ones old lg thrill/o3d for parts as I have hardware bricked mine and need a new logic board/main board.
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It's not that we don't like the post.
It's that it is completely useless and serves as clutter.
This isn't a general section for ALL android phones.
It's the general section for the LG Thrill. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Understand?