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Does N1 share gps over wifi tether?

I got an iPad the other day, and have been using the tethering ability of N1 with CM6.1rc1 while at work. I have the basic wifi iPad,that does not have gps built into it, but it is able to pull location data from wifi. While on my homes wifi, google maps shows my location about 300 Feet from my actual location, but while at work using my phone for wifi, it's much more accurate, only off by about 30 feet or so. So does my N1 share the gps location over the wifi when tethering is turned on?

Nope... Just means that the location services being used by the ipad know what wifi is near your office better...
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My Guess is that its based on your external IP. Something like this http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp

Google actually records the location of your wifi network, when you use things like latitude.
When I moved from Australia back to New Zealand for about a month whenever I was connected to my home wifi router, google said my location was in australia (because that was the same router I was using in australia).
Even though I had changed the ssid etc, I still had to wait for google's servers to realise I had moved. So I guess they record the location along with the mac address for the router.

britoso said:
My Guess is that its based on your external IP. Something like this http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp
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Just gave that a try, and I'm guessing that's not it. It shows my location 10 or 15 miles away from my actual location.

daijizai said:
Nope... Just means that the location services being used by the ipad know what wifi is near your office better...
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Is it able to pull location data from wifi networks that are not even visible to me?

I used to tether my iPod Touch to my Androids before it was stolen. Same idea, I think it just looks for all the wi-fi MAC addresses nearby and triangulates a probable position. If the network you're connected to is not in its database (and inevitably, the MAC address of a tethering phone won't be), then it just sniffs out all the other surrounding wi-fi networks. So whatever networks are visible from your office, they are already in the Skyhook database.

How does google maps know my location?

Does anyone know how Google Maps knows my location on the NC? I thought the NC did not have a GPS. Perhaps, Maps could use my IP address, but it seems really accurate, within 10 meters.

Google collected wifi access point names and locations while driving around to build Streetview. If your wifi is turned on, they can use your list of visible hotspots to approximate your location.

Do you see that white unmarked cargo van parked down the street from your house?

This works with both Wi-Fi Tether and tethered with Barnacle. That would rule out using Wi-Fi data as a locator. I did however, use the locate button on g'maps using the LAN connection before I tried it with wireless tether. Maybe its showing a cached location.
I'll test the location feature with a wirless tether somewhere else tomorrow to check this.
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esskayess said:
This works with both Wi-Fi Tether and tethered with Barnacle. That would rule out using Wi-Fi data as a locator.
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No, it does not rule it out.
Is your tethered hotspot the ONLY access point in range? The location via wifi is NOT based on the network you are connected to, it is based on comparing the relative signal strengths of ALL visible access points. If there are three visible WAPs with known locations, it's fairly trivial to plot your position with high precision. Even just one or two visible access points can yield a pretty accurate location.

Determining location based on other access points makes sense. I see 4 or 5 access points quite often. Thanks!
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No its not the only access point. The area is saturated with 12-15 different WAP at any time. You are probably right. I know a spot nearby which shows no access points, will try out g'maps with a Wi-Fi tether there sometime this week.

If Wifi is on, it'll do the Wifi location stuff. It goes off ESSID, ie: router MAC address, so even if all of your neighbors are stupidly all using "linksys" as their SSID, they're all unique regardless.
I've only had it find me at the house, so far nowhere else, but it's handy that it does have a starting reference when I'm using it at home.
There is also network location lookups it COULD do based on your IP address, but I'm not sure how those services work... i'd assume it has to ask a service "Where is my IP located?" and if it's behind a NAT it won't know obviously. It could however use the outgoing connection (your internet connection), although in that case it would be potentially many miles off if it worked, certainly not accurate.
When it locates me at my house it shows me right in my front yard.

This technology is awesome. But, it only seems to work with stock rooted. I haven't been able to get nookie Froyo or HC to determine my location via this method.

N1 - 5GHz Wifi?

Does the N1 have 5GHz wifi like the Samsung?
My home LAN is 5GHz only, so I don't disturb the neighbors with my video streaming.

No, 2.4 only...

Ugh.
OK so I turned on the router's 2.4GHz, but with broadcast SSID off. My N1 wouldn't even try to connect. So I turned on router SSID and it connects AES.
I do -not- want SSID broadcast on, as Windows machines' lazy active scan will find me. Sure they'll never get in, but I do not want broadcast on.
Has anyone succeeded in connecting with it off?
When I am connected wifi and open a website on the phone, does it go over wifi preferred over 3G?
I want to share the SD card with a machine on the LAN. What's the best way to do this? FTP? Reverse SSH tunnel? Is there a sshfs for Android? EDIT: NM on this one.

Yes, I remember connecting to a WiFi with SSID off, when I had Nexus.

It is pointless to keep SSID Broadcasting off. It is super easy to find your SSID anyway, and it causes all sorts of additional problems (like the one you are seeing above). Just keep the network secure and it makes life a lot easier.
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/2865...hiding-your-wireless-ssid-really-more-secure/
http://blogs.technet.com/b/steriley/archive/2007/10/16/myth-vs-reality-wireless-ssids.aspx

Ok, but sure passive scanners like Kismet will still see me, however 90% of scans are done with an active scanner like Winduhs. Of course I'm using WPA2-AES, but I want to take every measure possible.
Now I find that whenever I have the phone connected to wifi, I lose -all- internet access. Just times out. 3G is still on and wifi is showing connected, but I can't get to websites. As soon as I turn off Wifi I can access the internet again through 3G.
With wifi I -can- access the wireless router's setup webpage from my phone, which tells me I am working through wifi, and I can remotely mount the phone filesystem on a LAN machine using sshfs, but I can not reach anything outside. Any idea why?
Does anyone know whether, when it's working right, it uses the wifi connection in preference over 3G?

The WiFi is ALWAYS preferred to 3G, which means - when you're connected to WiFi, all the internet traffic is routed through WiFi.

I don't understand then, why all data traffic stops to the outside when wifi is connected. The rest of my LAN gets outside fine, just not the phone.

If you can see LAN computers and exchange data with them - it's not the phone that's making problems. See if you have any restrictions in your router.

Oh FFS, my fault...
I set my IP statically for my LAN, and through some alert troubleshooting I found I can ping IPs outside but not DNs. I'd mis-set the DNS server in wifi settings. Now it works great!
I can now use sshdroid to mount my phone's filesystem on my LAN securely. Now, if I could only get it to wifi associate with beacon off...
It would also be nice to mount a filesystem on my LAN to the phone, although I consider the phone unsecure and question the wisdom of that, even with DroidWall running.

There is a market app that lets you connect to a hidden ssid
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Cool, but Market is FCing on me. I did a complete reinstall of the newest MIUI.us, and now Market's FCing again. So can't install any Market apps.

As someone else said, turning SSID off is pointless. It's like taking the numbers off the outside of your house and thinking people driving by won't see your house sitting there.

Apparently you didn't understand what I said here:
Quantumstate said:
Ok, but sure passive scanners like Kismet will still see me, however 90% of scans are done with an active scanner like Winduhs. Of course I'm using WPA2-AES, but I want to take every measure possible.
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If nothing else, please just respect my decision in this regard, or give valid proof that active scanners are not the preponderance.

Issues with new TWC modem/router

Hi all, while thinking that faster internet would be a good thing, it seems that I have managed to break chromecast compatibility with my network. Previously I had a Netgear router that worked perfectly, but when we got an upgrade to TWC's new "Extreme Internet" they installed a new WiFi router/modem hybrid that I cannot seem to connect to. I get the message that it is connected to the network but not the internet. Ap isolation. Is disabled, but I cannot find the plug and play feature anywhere in the network settings. Has anyone found a work around?
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jmikeb92 said:
Hi all, while thinking that faster internet would be a good thing, it seems that I have managed to break chromecast compatibility with my network. Previously I had a Netgear router that worked perfectly, but when we got an upgrade to TWC's new "Extreme Internet" they installed a new WiFi router/modem hybrid that I cannot seem to connect to. I get the message that it is connected to the network but not the internet. Ap isolation. Is disabled, but I cannot find the plug and play feature anywhere in the network settings. Has anyone found a work around?
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If you can give us the exact make and model we might be able to help more.
BTW, TWC changed their policy a few years back and now allow approved customer-owned modems which will save you the modem rental. They used to not charge for the modem rental but also not let you use your own. Installed a Motorola SB6141 for my relative and it's been working great with the Netgear WNDR3700 I put there.
No Chromecast yet because I haven't been by to visit...

You could always use your own modem with twc, just that most people did not know that. Like previously mentioned, more details are needed in order to further assist you. Make and model(tg862g, ddw3611, dvw32011b???). More than likely you just need to call and talk with level 3 tech support. I personally used my own router behind the modem because I do a bit more than normal with my router.

jmikeb92 said:
Hi all, while thinking that faster internet would be a good thing, it seems that I have managed to break chromecast compatibility with my network. Previously I had a Netgear router that worked perfectly, but when we got an upgrade to TWC's new "Extreme Internet" they installed a new WiFi router/modem hybrid that I cannot seem to connect to. I get the message that it is connected to the network but not the internet. Ap isolation. Is disabled, but I cannot find the plug and play feature anywhere in the network settings. Has anyone found a work around?
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I went through Hell on Christmas Eve with Time Warner....
They have a new Modem/Router they are using....When connected to a personal Router it does a double Nat translation which really doesn't work at all.
Your lucky if you even get Internet access on a Computer with it.
Check your router and see what IP address it has under internet connection. It should not be 192.168.0.x
If it is not an outside IP you need to call support and tell them you need your Router to breach the Modem and have them shut off all ROUTER capability on their Device so that all it does is pass a public IP to whatever is connected to it.
If you get your phone service from Time Warner as well better call on a Cell Phone because they will drop the phone call the second they mess with their Modem/Router and you will suffer through Groundhog day explaining it to the next guy from scratch!

Well guys I solved my own problem in a way. I disabled the wireless broadcast from the TWC Arris router and just connected my old NetGear ( old as in 2 months old) and it seems to work perfectly now. And the installer said, " You won't need to use your old one because this box is like commercial grade bro."
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Glad to hear. The wireless modem you have is indeed a great modem and you could use that alone but it is easier to just use your own. The installer more than likely wasn't on the up and up about the more technical aspects of the modem. You can't knock him for that part as the techs are not trained on a lot of the extra features of the modem. I only know this because I may or may not work for the company(need to keep work out of forums).

shelby04861 said:
I only know this because I may or may not work for the company(need to keep work out of forums).
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I usually go with "I have a lot of experience with these products"

fixing what ails ya - WiFi vs LTE

we've found the WiFi Calling and related SMS here is the states to be lacking.
Had T-Mo send me a 4G LTE Cellspot that connects to the interwebs.
Took about 20 mins to set itself up.
Bam!
5 bars all through the house and probably half way down the block.
Much mo better.

I just got one of them too. Much better than wifi calling. No airwaves competing for the available bandwidth. Have had much clearer calls and reliable texting. Plus I don't have to give out my wifi password to visitors, they just automatically connect to the cellspot.
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Harmtan2 said:
I just got one of them too. Much better than wifi calling. No airwaves competing for the available bandwidth. Have had much clearer calls and reliable texting. Plus I don't have to give out my wifi password to visitors, they just automatically connect to the cellspot.
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haven't tried it with other providers that guests bring, but I figured LTE is LTE. So you have found that it works with other providers VzW, and them other 2?

Did you have to do anything to your home router?? I got one of these a few days ago and for the life of me I can't seem to find out what's wrong with mine as it doesn't work.

I think you have to bridge the two...

out of your incoming router, usually a yellow LAN port, to the in of the LTE cellspot, WAN green port.
Power it up and wait. I used the GPS antenna to get it moving faster. 20 mins. If at first it doesn't connect, reboot the cellspot and try again.
But unless there was something done to your incoming FiOS or Comcast or whoever on install, that should be it.

I have a Westell 7500 DSL router from Verizon, The LTE cellspot, and a Netgear r6400 wireless router.
The way I have things setup is:
My Netgear router is plugged into the LAN port on the cellspot, and the cellspot WAN is plugged into the Westell router on first ethernet port.
I turned off the firewall on my DSL router so the UDP ports are not being blocked. The only thing left that I can do on my side is setup bridge mode.
I also turned off the wireless broadcast from the Westell router.

esjames said:
I have a Westell 7500 DSL router from Verizon, The LTE cellspot, and a Netgear r6400 wireless router.
The way I have things setup is:
My Netgear router is plugged into the LAN port on the cellspot, and the cellspot WAN is plugged into the Westell router on first ethernet port.
I turned off the firewall on my DSL router so the UDP ports are not being blocked. The only thing left that I can do on my side is setup bridge mode.
I also turned off the wireless broadcast from the Westell router.
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westell wireless should have no effect, nor the firewall as I believe that is OEM install.
I would think that both the cellspot and Netgear should be plugged into a yellow LAN port on the Westell.
Perhaps the passthru of the Netgear on the cellspot is messing with the cellspots head.
Try that config and reboot your westell, then the cellspot.
I do use the passthur on my cellspot to an Ooma box and have no issue. Dunno why a router would be any different, but give it a try.
Also perhaps 2 other ports on the westell. I believe there are 4 yellow LAN ports on it.
Then there is this, which I'd think T-Mo would have covered with you before they sent you the cellspot.
Is there a minimum internet speed requirement for T-Mobile 4G LTE CellSpot?
Minimum internet speeds of 2Mbps downlink and 512Kbps uplink are recommended.
So you should check you DSL speed.
http://www.internetfrog.com/mypc/speedtest/
http://speedtest.net/
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/speedtest/hsi/
http://myspeed.visualware.com/servers/nyc.html
http://www.bandwidthplace.com/
http://www.voipreview.org/voipspeedtester.aspx
http://www.testmy.net/tools/
http://speedof.me/
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

metropical said:
haven't tried it with other providers that guests bring, but I figured LTE is LTE. So you have found that it works with other providers VzW, and them other 2?
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No, it will not work for other providers. Just for TMO. It creates VPN back to tmo with the same authentication methods of regular towers. That would be cool. If it could double up for other others.
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Well, I don't care so much for WiFi calling but for internet, my 5GHz WiFi network connection averages 125 Mbps and that's because of the phone hardware. My line gets 300 Mbps.

Those dippy-do's (explicit words) at t-mobile never activated my cell spot till 2 days ago. Now everything is working normal.

Did the cell spot cost you any money? I live right between the edges of two towers, and while I get 50-70mbps two miles down the road, at my neighborhood it is terrible. Calls drop, data is slow, etc. Wifi calling can be great when it works, but it rarely works for more than 10 minutes straight.

willbur73 said:
Did the cell spot cost you any money? I live right between the edges of two towers, and while I get 50-70mbps two miles down the road, at my neighborhood it is terrible. Calls drop, data is slow, etc. Wifi calling can be great when it works, but it rarely works for more than 10 minutes straight.
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There is a $25 refundable deposit, and this thing works much better than wifi calling.