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[Q] Knowing what you know, would you still buy it?

So you guys have had the HD7 for a while now. I know it has bugs at the moment. Its to be expected as the OS is still new.
But would you buy it if you knew what you knew now?

Yes, most certainly. Loving WP7 completely. In terms of hardware, the size of the screen is the deal maker for me. But a surprisingly nice addition is the kick stand, which is both effective, useful and invokes an 'oooh that's cool' from people I show the phone to.

I did buy it, then I returned it.
And got an Omnia 7.

May I ask why?

Absolutley I would, yes, there are are few niggles but this is version 1 of the software and a brand new device FFS. Apple are STILL having problems withe the iphone 4 even now (alarms cannot deal with move to GMT from BST for example). With WP7 you are buying into one of the most promising new mobile phone OS's of recent times IMHO, with the HD7 in particular, you are getting a cool big screen device from a company that has built up a good name for itself in the industry. I currently own the HTC Desire and the HTC HD7. I will be keeping the Desire only until the Kindle app and HTML5/ Flash land for WP7, then that will go on Ebay.
My only fear is that because MS decided to launch without one or two features (Flash/ CutnPaste and turn by turn Nav) it will get hammered by the critics in the tech press and be stillborn. This would be a tragedy - the more competition there is in the smartphone space the better for the consumer.
I also hope the handset manufacturers give it the attention it deserves, recent reports on build quality issues with the HTC Trophy do not bode well

That's a conclusive argument
I'm mainly after one as I'm a software developer and I'm interested in the app platform. Looks good. I will go get one today

Ive had mine a day and love it. Was running andoird on my HD2 previously and loved that. But I love the HD7 more. Ye the app market isnt as large as the other major two OS but I can live with that and times will change.
I had an iphone last year and once you get over the intiial hysteria of having millions of useless apps to download and amuse yourself with its not so important.
Ive not had any bugs with the HD7 yet. What issues have people come across.
My only gripe is that Im stuck with crappy Vodafone until 2012

StaticTony said:
May I ask why?
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Sure, I loved it in the first 2 days but these 4 main reasons cropped up:
1. The phone would crash/lockup, it did this about 6 times in the week I had it.
2.The hard buttons (on/off, volume, camera) had NO click to them, they were completely soft, so I ended up pressing them all the time by accident, I launched the camera so many times when just holding the phone.
3.The case I was sold with it from the O2 store actually marked the back of it. ( a Leather one with a strap you pull to get it out, don't buy it)
4. I had huge doubts about the overall quality of the device, I really really don't think it would last for 18 months.
I understand 1 (possibly) and 3 were not the fault of the actual device but after issues 2 and 4 cropped up I just decided to return it and got a Omnia 7 instead.
So far for me the Omnia 7 is much better, seems much more higher build quality and its made from metal, the buttons have a nice satisfying click to them, and the screen is just gorgeous, aswell as it being much faster at loading apps and games.
The only reason I took the HD7 over the Omnia 7 in the first place was the double storage but that's not worth the trade off for me.

Oh Yes!!
Having bought an iPhone when they first came out and then giving it to one of our engineers within a week (he thought all his birthdays had come at once!) as deemed useless for true functionality compared with WM6. And then enjoyed my Touch HD I was in eager anticipation of the HD7.
Absolutely love it
Good OS - and looking forward to the updates
Brilliant device - everybody that sees it drools over it and rushes to renew their contract
I have been using email on my mobiles for years and have to say that the HD7 is by far the most brilliant device for actually 'doing business' on the move - big & bright and cool to use
Edit: Forgot to mention - the Office Hub is a 'killer': Was at a presentation yesterday with 2min before I stood up and realised I needed info from a spreadsheet which I thought was on my HD7 (but wasn't) - it took me 30secs to get it! - try doing that with an Android or iPhone...
Regards
CD (UK)

The only issue I have so far is the battery life but I've only done a couple of charges so hopefully that will improve.
It's early days for me but at the moment I am happier than I thought I would be. I'm trying Zune pass at the moment and really liking it. Maybe I didn't need the 16GB after all.
I though about the Omnia 7 but didn't want another 18/24 month contract and the PAYG prices being thrown around were a lot more expensive. Plus, I couldn't actually find anyone selling it on PAYG!

Had it for a bit now, had a few bugs happen, but I would not change it for any other phone out there.
Omnia 7 is a 100% no go for me because of the 8gb memory, I only have about 500meg left on my HD7 and will be ugrading to 32gb asap.
Im still not convinced in AMOLED screens, the colours never look right to me and the edges arnt smooth (looking at my sisters and aunts desires) The look stunning, but they dont look real if that makes sence? I would have loved to have an SLCD in it though. But to be honest the HD7 screen looks fantastic because I have the backlight on 100% all the time.
Battery life isnt that bad, it could be better, but it IS better than my HD2's was.
Biggest niggle is bluetooth audio streaming of music doesnt seem to be as high as quality as my HD2s theres everso slight distortion on high notes. Not that noticable, but enough to niggle me.
Once the updates start to roll out its going to be an incredible device.
Im wondering if an update will be rolled out when the US launch happens? why else would it be delayed? or at least im hoping the promised 60 xbox live that were supposed to be available at launch will be availble at the american launch.
Overall best phone I have ever used, the user experiance is fantastic, its just so nice to use every day, and that completely overruls any niggles I have had, which no doubt will be sorted very soon.

Had mine unlocked for 24h now and just learning the OS but what i'm seeing is fantastic! I've come from a HD2 where as soon as i got it i flashed a custom rom then ran adroid on it for ages but now i could never go back even after 24h!!!
there are a few niggles, coming from android where you had settings for everything there does seem to be a real lack of options just the basics to to get you through, i also cant see how to add a picture to a contact who isnt on my facebook?????
i agree with whats been posted before, this OS has the potential to be the best one out there it just needs to grow.

I've had mine for 2 weeks now and love it! Yes some things are missing and there are a few bugs in the OS, but I'm willing to persiverre because what it does give it does really well.
I had an HD2 with Energy's custome roms for a year now and I am so over HTC Sense (I used earlier versions on my Diamond and Orbit too)and now the "new" HTC apps looks very dated amongst the WP7 Metro apps.
Email, something I could not really get working very well on my HD2, runs like a dream on WP7 and I'm turning into a sick email junkie (help!).
As for the screen, everyone keeps knocking this phone in favour of the Samsung, but in reality, the screen on the HD7 is better than the HD2 and can hold it's own. Might not look as good next to a Samsung, but who cares? Are you going to hold an HD7 and Samsung next to each other 24/7? No? Then you won't notice the difference.

Is the email better on the WP7 than Android. The email on Android drove me up the wall with its bugs and weird behaviour. I have seen a few people on this thread mention positively the email so I am hopeful.

Yes, without a doubt, sure it has a few bugs that Microsoft can fix, but these will not stop me loving this device, never going back to an iPhone again, I'll be sticking to Windows Phone or Android devices from here on in, I had the 3GS then the iPhone 4 and now it's on Ebay as I got bored with it

Super Chimp said:
Is the email better on the WP7 than Android.
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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.

foaf said:
You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.
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The main problems I had with Android was that I often had issues setting up POP email accounts on it. Also could behave oddly when picking up messages, I used to get phantom messages or it would not pick them up correctly or in some cases at all.

oh yes i would, though tbh i would of sold my fish tank and got it on payg and unlocked it as o2 contract prices are so steep and the coverage i not as good as tmobile (not sure if this is the same everywhere but around where i live its the case). I will be honest if it wasn't for the fact all other devices are only 8gb i would not have gone for the hd7 but rather the omnia but there is no way i can live with 8gb. The only annoying thing is that when i'm playing games i sometimes touch the search button esp if i have the phone plugged in at the time due to the way i then have to hold it, but if you press back it goes right back to where you left off.
in conclusion it was not my phone of choice but my hand was forced by the internal storage but i am glad it was, the omnia is no better and my second choice mozart seems cheap and to smiler to my old desire. I love the size of the phone i was worried when i first saw it but the shape is like nothing i have ever seen and make it slip into the pocket easier then my old desire and yet i get all that screen.

Quick question guys. Does the HD7 not have a flash? I thought it does.

Yes, the HD7 has a dual LED flash (at least mine does!)

[Q] Should I trade my iPhone 4 for a Nexus One?

I've gotten a couple of offers on the marketplace thread. I just look at it as too big of a downgrade. What do you guys think? I love android and miss it, but I had a captivate and the gps and lack of support from samsung just killed it for me. I want an inspire 4g but I'm not sure when it comes out. Also, do you guys think I have a better shot at trading the iPhone for an inspire, or the n1 for an inspire? Thanks

I find myself wanting an iPhone 4 some days. The camera is, man, so so good. And nothing ever goes wrong with it. I don't need to worry about ROMs and Kernels and Radios to get great battery life, or reception. It's the small things in Android that upset me.
The iPhone 4 has tons of apps etc, you know what the iPhone 4 has and doesn't when compared to the Nexus. I think moving from Android to an iPhone, I would miss the widgets the most. I depend on the news widgets!
As for trading, I'd say your iPhone 4 will haul in more cash than the Nexus. It definitely will actually. The average price of a used nexy, assuming it's a t-mobile, is around $300-400 I think, depending on condition.
Depending on the GB of your iPhone, you could get up to $450. Just check the internet, ebay, craigslist, the marketplace here, to get an idea of the price you could sell it for!
I think more people are looking for iPhone 4s than Nexus Ones.
I suggest waiting a few months, as there are some great phones, including 4g phones like you mentioned, that are coming out soon! 20 on AT&T alone. I think Verizon has more planned to release, but I dont remember...

Thanks, youre opinion is highly appreciated.

izmar said:
I find myself wanting an iPhone 4 some days. The camera is, man, so so good. And nothing ever goes wrong with it. I don't need to worry about ROMs and Kernels and Radios to get great battery life, or reception. It's the small things in Android that upset me.
The iPhone 4 has tons of apps etc, you know what the iPhone 4 has and doesn't when compared to the Nexus. I think moving from Android to an iPhone, I would miss the widgets the most. I depend on the news widgets!
As for trading, I'd say your iPhone 4 will haul in more cash than the Nexus. It definitely will actually. The average price of a used nexy, assuming it's a t-mobile, is around $300-400 I think, depending on condition.
Depending on the GB of your iPhone, you could get up to $450. Just check the internet, ebay, craigslist, the marketplace here, to get an idea of the price you could sell it for!
I think more people are looking for iPhone 4s than Nexus Ones.
I suggest waiting a few months, as there are some great phones, including 4g phones like you mentioned, that are coming out soon! 20 on AT&T alone. I think Verizon has more planned to release, but I dont remember...
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well the iPhone 4 is one sexy looking phone i agree. But I find myself wanna do more with my phone rather getting attached with the computer. iOS depends a lot on iTunes and I seriously hate using iTunes. iOS devices are so similar to each other that makes me think WHY do people keep buying the same thing when they have already gotten one? for example : WHen i have an iPhone, I don't think i need the iPod becuz it's just a downgrade for me. I don't think i wanna buy an iPad when i already got the iPhone either even though the iPad does have larger screen but to a bigger view, They're all the same. In my opinion, I'd rather have devices that don't look or operate as one another so i can find the usefulness of each device.

Ive had 4 Androids, I have an N1 and i4 right now, if I had to choose only one to keep, Id keep my iPhone4. Mainly because of all of the software bugs Ive experienced through all of my Androids, my Vibrant was the last straw, that phone was worthless, it made me hate Samsung, Android, and TMobile (yes I realize i4 is made of a ton of samsung parts). My i4 works everytime I want to use it, it doesnt randomly reboot, it doesnt send text messages to random contacts, it doesnt even have a "force close" option or anything like it. It doesnt freeze (you cant take out the battery, now thats confidence!!, Hell I had to pull the battery at least a few times per week on every Android Ive ever owned.
Main Pros for the N1 over the i4 are:
1.Larger screen (although not wider, so not a complete "Pro" for N1)
2.Adobe Flash (honestly I dont miss it, Skyfire browser is very accomodating)
3.Free tethering (this one's a biggie, more like a "hugie")
4.Customizations (root/desktop/widgets- I have missed some settings shortcuts but thats really it, ive rooted the g1 and N1 and messed with roms extensively and frankly, I dont miss it, its nice to just enjoy my phone),
5.Maybe I just dont know how to do this on my iphone, but the N1, and Android generally from what I know can use cell towers to determine location, and its pretty accurate, you can use the maps and most location based apps (for finding stores and such near you) without actually turning on GPS (iphone is a hassle because you must turn on GPS for anything using your location)
Main Pros for iPhone are:
1. Hi resolution; I had no idea how great this screen was until I owned it, I saw my friends' and thought it was nice but now I realize its incredible, it makes all Androids look fuzzy, its 960x640 while no Android is over 824(roughly)x480. I could never go back to 800x480 after enjoying this i4 screen
2. Its fast, not necessarily faster than the N1, but it never lags and it doesnt freeze, that consistency makes it more enjoyable in my opinion.
3. iTunes- Ive come to prefer buying these files from iTunes rather than downloading and putting on Android; ios and itunes is just very integrated which I found that I prefer
4. The keyboard is fu***ng awesome, the screen is slightly wider but it makes a big difference in portrait typing, along with the much better keyboard (invisible, predictive auto resize)
5. Apps, every app does something, they all work, even if they are kind of dumcb. They all look and feel integrated with ios
6. Battery, it charges faster and lasts longer
7. the copy/text and cursor placement is just a pleasure
Other:
I havent used the Android Market in over a year, theres just no point. I do download apps but only when I know exactly what I want. I never look through the Market, because not only is it not well organized, 99% of Android apps are either useless, worthless, broken, or malicious. The Android Market is beyond awful
One thing I found wonderful on my iPhone 4 was that it flawlessly synced my Google contacts along with my contact pics, and it synced and integrated my google and yahoo email accounts.
The biggest thing I miss is Google Maps/Navigation, it is an incredible resource. I would literally pay $200 to have Google Maps just like it is on Android, along with its frequent updates. I bought TomTom for $50 and its good but Google maps is better
The second biggest thing I miss is Google Voice to text, its phenomenally accurate and there is nothing on ios that is comparable to its ease and accuracy
I like my iPhone 4, It has fewer features, but I kind of enjoy not taking my phone out all the time

i've always used the mentality that the android is more for a techy and iphone for someone who doesnt really care and just wants a cool phone. I have a N1 and my friends have the iphone4. I find myself winning the battles of "can your phone do this...". I have 5 different Roms ready to be flashed on my SD Card, i go through them often depending on what version i feel like playing with. I am a developer so i make my own custom apps, and with app inventor made by google it makes it extremely easy for mere mortal to create apps now. Wow...
Personally i have never had these issues with my N1 about rebooting, kernels, roms, battery life... all of those things are extra and not necessary, but they are fun to mess with. I also agree the more people are looking for the iphone4. Its popular, android is fairly new still and people don't like taking chances typically. Why would someone pay a lot of money for a phone that is not the most popular phone...
I assure you though, either decision you make, you will not be disappointed. This many people can't be wrong about each device.

Would you recommend this phone?

I have a Samsung Vibrant that I am tired of, and I would like to know if you would truly recommend this phone?
I want to know a few things.
1. Is there any lag?
2. How is the GPS, is it like the GPS on Android?
3. Does every game cost money or are there some good free ones?
4. What would you rate the Battery life?

The disadvantage is mainly the battery, but fortunately some rom updates fix it just a little, but you still need daily charging.
There's virtually no lag in apps or in system.
GPS is fine, but there is a lack of full-scale nav apps. but you have free apps that are nearly as good
most good games cost something but yes there are good free ones too. also most paid ones offer a trial version or free with ads. either way gaming is actually great on wp7
if you get the phone for free/cheap on contract or however you will, i recommend you do so. but of course you can always wait a little longer and get upcoming ones, though i would absolutely recommend you get a wp7 phone

Here's My views
1. I love the Big Screen for browsing
2. Facebook and Twitter apps are as good as Android ( but FB dosen't have chat yet)
3. GPS is good but still no navigation for Maps
4. I love the Email intergration simply brilliant ( yahoo, gmail, live mail ) you can have em all
5. Good for Music Sync and Game play
6. Within 5 sec you can shoot a photo and upload it to face book with camera button and share facility
7. can wipe / detect phone through Live Services for free if lost
Only niggles I have is
It does need a really good update which is coming one just this month and one big one later on
I have had problem with apps getting stuck and you have to reboot phone all the time
( although I guess its an app problem)
Camera is not the best but is ok but there are better out there
and Yeah the ringtone sound is really rubbish. you can hardly hear them and there is no facility to put custom ringtone yet
But videos and music are fine..
best of luck

I'd like to chime in that there are 100 stock ringtones and I hear them all just fine. I understand that this is a common complaint, and people point to software issues, but I think half of it is not realizing what your ringer volume is. I've seen people say it's "all the way up to 10" not realizing that's the in-call volume. 30 is the ringer volume.
Maybe I'm just lucky. My ringer is fine.

Yes, I would recommend this phone.
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No - The lack of apps compared to the Android is just crazy.
There is extremely limited options for customization.
As far as performance, it is quite fast.
I had all 3 so far, Vibrant, HD7 and now a HD2.
The HD7 is cool in it's own way. But, the aftermarket software is just not there - Yet.
I still recommend the HD2 to anyone, but it is personal preferance. The HD2 is full of issues just like the other 2.

...you're comparing android apps, which have been out 2+ years, with wp7 apps, which has been out a couple months...?

Wait for more months as more fart apps are to come. then, it will level android and ios market.

I know one app that wp7 has that both android and IOS wants real bad.... Netflix !

I definitely would. It is a great phone and has a greater user experience

I can say with out a doubt that for me leaving my samsung captivate JUNK (and android since G1) I couldnt be happier. I left windows for android because well i didnt like all the lag and crap. I just got this HD7 friday morning fugured i would give it a try and boy howdy im in love lol. Windows did do a great job compared to older versions and yes they still need some updates but its a new OS. If you get this phone you will be happy for there really is no lag. if apps is a biggy for you just know they are on there way just give it some time.

You will notice a difference in screen quality. Although I prefer the larger screen of the HD7/HD2, the Vibrant looks much nicer in terms of color and motion. Otherwise I'd pretty much agree with the other comments above.
Build quality is questionable, but so is the Vibrant's IMO.
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Been thinking about getting a hd7 for a while, went into o2 today, compared my hd2 with it and I was amazed just how plasticy ****e the hd7 is, volume buttons felt awful weak, the test phone in the shop was scratched on the bezel. Couldn't test the screen, but guess this is the same as the hd2.
Starting to have second thoughts about getting one now, how are your hd7's holding up?

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Been thinking about getting a hd7 for a while, went into o2 today, compared my hd2 with it and I was amazed just how plasticy ****e the hd7 is, volume buttons felt awful weak, the test phone in the shop was scratched on the bezel. Couldn't test the screen, but guess this is the same as the hd2.
Starting to have second thoughts about getting one now, how are your hd7's holding up?
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Lol mine is in the shop...it came with an impossible to press camera button.
Kind of regretting swapping my HD2, but I needed a fully functional, guaranteed OS (other than WinMo 6.5), so I went with WP7. (I'm not saying the ROMs are bad, but I need guaranteed stability at the moment)
I paid about $250 for the HD7...so basically $50 after swapping the HD2. I definitely wouldn't recommend spending much more...not that great of an upgrade.

if you want something to work for you as a phone right out of the box this is what u want....
if you want to customize every single thing then not..
i have been using it for past 5 months now and no regrets.. do not lag, very smooth, great GUI... only dont like the battery drain but its 4.3 inch screen...

THUDUK said:
Been thinking about getting a hd7 for a while, went into o2 today, compared my hd2 with it and I was amazed just how plasticy ****e the hd7 is, volume buttons felt awful weak, the test phone in the shop was scratched on the bezel. Couldn't test the screen, but guess this is the same as the hd2.
Starting to have second thoughts about getting one now, how are your hd7's holding up?
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HD2 is a step up in build quality. Metal battery cover, no loose volume rockers..
Having had my HD7 for about 4 months now, I have zero scratches on it. All buttons function normally. Screen looks great. Even nothing wrong with the plastic battery cover (which I've found more and more HTC's use (EVO))
So to whereas the build quality is less than that of an HD2, it's fine. I have no protection of any type on mine, and slide it in and out of pockets every day, even jeans. I'm careful that these pockets are clean though.

Yep! Take the plunge! The HD7 is a beast.
I came from a Touch Pro2 and, before that, Sony Ericsson Xperia X1. I love the new OS compared to Windows Mobile 6.5 although custom ROMs was an addicting trend.
I listen to music a lot and the phone sounds great to me, and even better after downloading Sound Enhancer. The Zune backgrounds are nice! The album art and font are big. It's a breeze to search music, too! You can open YouTube, Slacker, TuneIn and other apps from Zune.
Battery life was a problem but I turned off some features to increase life. Plus I got that new radio ROM from Ansar. I noticed a difference there, too. I hope NoDo helps out some.
People talk about apps all the time. Android has more apps (true!) but my friends say they never use a third of the apps there. The number is there for bragging rights, I guess. On iPhone, you have an XBox Live app. Hell, Xbox Live is part of your phone! No need to download a Facebook app when Facebook integration comes with the phone. Myspace, too. There's a Twitter integration forthcoming even.
Windows Live account is the new equivalent to Windows Mobile Device Center. All your contacts, uploaded photos, and Office documents are saved there. You can login to all your email accounts in one spot. It's just convenient.
Lastly, the screen......beautiful and, not to mention, huge! Again, AMOLED and Super LCD screens are for bragging rights. I watch music videos and NETFLIX on the phone and they look great. Surf with no problem.

I have 6 months hd7
definitely a nice phone, but not more than the previous HD2
My problem now is WP7, after 6 months only to come copy \ paste
and say that I really liked WP7
no other phone in sight with WP7
I'm only seeing new dual-core device with Android
I can not wait for the next update from MS (Mango) in late 2011 or early 2012
It seems absurd that in six months Ms know managed to do just that
I'm selling my HD7 pending HTc Evo 3D dual core with Android scheduled for July
in the meantime probably try new Sony Ericsson Arc

Getting an HD7, some questions about the device.

1. Is the gunmetal/chrome/shiny band around the device metal? It looks like the plastic on my galaxy s in the pictures, but a bunch of reviewers have said that it's metal.
2. How do you guys like windows phone 7?
3. Is there any compelling reason not to buy the phone? (I can't think of any new wp7 phones coming out on tmobile)
Thank you for answering!

My first suggestion is to make sure if any the feature currently missing from WP& matter to you such as the MMS Video feature. IMHO, WP7 is the best cell OS I've used. It's very fast & does what it can do very well. GPS is much faster than it was on my old TP2. Been a while since I played with Android to compare the GPS on it. What I mean is it locates you very fast. On my TP2, it'd take a few mins just to find a satellite. Keep in mind in order to get GPS, I had to unlock my device & load a patched Navigon Select XAP & load my maps for the USA. As for the hardware, it is very nice IMO. The only metal on it though is the kick stand & a small piece on the back below the battery door.

I plan on keeping my galaxy s until I've made a decision. I can sell one or the other. (My friend offered me his HD7 for $200 which seems like a good price judging by what I'm seeing on ebay and craigslist)
From what I can tell, it has everything that I need.
Another question that I'd like to add is how is wifi support on the os? I currently have no data plan and run only on wifi. This has worked well for me as my school has free wifi in most places.

WiFi works great for me & doesn't seem to effect battery life as badly as it did on my old TP2. I keep it on WiFi when ever I'm at home.

Thanks! 10char

WP7 is very solid, but it's not as developed as Android. As the above post suggests, you should review the feature-set and make sure there aren't any critical absences.
I don't quite agree on the build quality. Having used an iPhone 3G, a Nexus One, and an HD2, the HD7 falls short IMO. It has an attractive design, no doubt, but the materials/execution feel somewhat cheap in comparison. My HD7 for example has a rattly battery door and originally had terrible buttons. HTC fixed the camera button, but the other three are a bit squishy feeling. If you buy the phone, make sure you check the buttons!
$200 is a pretty solid price IMO. I bought one with the button quality problems (mint otherwise) for $250, and I thought that was a really good price.
Having said all that, I'm not sure if it's your best bet with regard to the Wifi. As far as I know (and I could be TOTALLY wrong), the Wifi shuts off when the screen turns off, and there is no way to change this behavior. Don't think you'll get notifications with no data plan. I recently switched from a Vibrant (and I also don't have a data plan), and it was/is somewhat of a problem. Again though, there might be a way to control the Wifi standby.

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WP7 is very solid, but it's not as developed as Android. As the above post suggests, you should review the feature-set and make sure there aren't any critical absences.
I don't quite agree on the build quality. Having used an iPhone 3G, a Nexus One, and an HD2, the HD7 falls short IMO. It has an attractive design, no doubt, but the materials/execution feel somewhat cheap in comparison. My HD7, for example has a rattly battery door and originally had terrible buttons. HTC fixed the camera button, but the other three are a bit squishy feeling. If you buy the phone, make sure you check the buttons!
$200 is a pretty solid price IMO. I bought one with the button quality problems (mint otherwise) for $250, and I thought that was a really good price.
Having said all that, I'm not sure if it's your best bet with regard to the Wifi. As far as I know (and I could be TOTALLY wrong), the Wifi shuts off when the screen turns off, and there is no way to change this behavior. Don't think you'll get notifications with no data plan. I recently switched from a Vibrant (and I also don't have a data plan), and it was/is somewhat of a problem. Again though, there might be a way to control the Wifi standby.
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Thanks! I don't mind the wifi thing, that's how I have my vibrant set up (it drains the battery otherwise)
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Wait, that chrome on the sides is plastic covered with paint? It feels much more solid that the plastic bezel on the Vibrant though.

i've had 6 android devices in the past and i traded my android for the HD7 and i am very pleased with that decision.
Wp7 is so fast and smooth! its just beautiful and i love the metro ui. my mom has the galaxy s 4g and android just feels so stale and dated compared to how beautiful and smooth wp7 is. yea its not as developed but the things this phone does is genius! people, photos, music & video hubs are all genius and has nice things that i would truly miss if i ever switched to another OS. you find lil things that you think are genius lol. like for me ima HUGE picture freak and the fact i can go directly into picture taking while the screen is off is genius for me plus the camera software is the easiest i have used plus its fast.
wp7 is the most original os and i love it! i dont have to worry about force closes or downloaded utilities too keep my phone running at peak performance. the type of apps i dowloaded on android are completely different now. i download fun stuff and not utilities. i was a power user with android flashing the latest roms and re setting up my phone every week or so and now i dont have to worry about that.
your gmail account syncs flawless with wp7 as if its a android phone lol, and im talking contacts, calender, and email and top it all off its push email!
the data on the works fast. i had the g2 and mytouch 4g but things seem to load faster on the HD7.
i really like the OS an im very satisfied with it! i cant wait to see whats in store for the future on the OS. people truly dont give it enough credit

[thoughts] What the S5 needs to do before April 11th to earn my money

Well, THAT happened 10 hours ago........
The launch for the S5 came and my enjoyment faded pretty quickly. You can see from my track record in my signature that I've been a pretty loyal customer of Samsung for quite some time now, and this may be the first Galaxy launch that I won't have a pre-order in the system. Other than stepping away from the Galaxy line to pick up the Atrix 4G, the first mass produced phone with a fingerprint scanner, coincidentally, I've enjoyed only Samsung phones for the last 4 years. The "premium version" of the S5 was supposed to be 5th in line, what with the 20MP camera, metal body, G-Note 3 battery size, 5.25" screen - you've seen it all and read it all, it didn't show up today. Now unless Samsung is about to pull the biggest stunt they've ever pulled, the Unpacked5 event is in the books and we're not getting anything more than what we got today.
Is there any positive that came out of this event? Sure! USB 3.0 is a big thing for me as I have lots of 3.0 gear and want that from my next phone, it's dust and water resistant, cool fingerprint scanner providing it works flawlessly unlike the one on the iThing, updated TouchWiz which (try not to judge) I actually like a little bit, the wearables, the bigger focus on health, better processor, camera, and connectivity, but then comes the let downs, especially for S4 owners. Same 1080p screen at almost the same size, same 2GB of memory, almost the exact same front camera, soon to be the same OS (again, I like TW so I'm sticking it out on 4.3 until the TW 4.4.2 comes out), same plastic body that I don't necessarily mind, but would have appreciated a little change other than just putting dimples in the back cover, and probably worst of all to me, they're offering it in a 16GB format again after what they just did to us who pre-ordered and / or early adopted the S4, sticking us with next to nothing for internal space because they believe everyone has kids and needs to have likely a ton of space dedicated to a kid mode with pre-installed games and crap. I'm single and not looking for that anytime soon!!! It's like they claimed to listen to their customers but only those who are married, have children, want a "modern glam look," whatever the hell that means, and work out enough to bring their phone with them while exercising!
Damn that's a lot of negatives so far. So what can Samsung do between now and launch to earn my money short of releasing their ultra premium version that was supposed to exist but doesn't, and calling this one the S5 Neo? Let's take a look, and please, feel free to help me add to this list!
Ship the phone with an unlocked bootloader - I know, fat chance, right? But if you don't want people complaining about lack of storage, let us kill it off as we see fit! I also know it isn't up to Samsung on this, the carriers are the ones being douchebags about it, but Samsung put their foot down with them previously by stopping them from dictating all the individual revisions when they launched the SIII, making them all the same shape and size, so why can't they force their hand on this in the sake of making even the smallest group of their customers happy - those that truly use the phone for what it was meant for!
Negate the 16GB version - this is obvious, why the hell is this even a thing anymore with Samsung.... just get rid of it if you're not going to slim down this ridiculously large ROM of yours! Ship with the 32GB at minimum and announce the 64GB as well. iThings do this as a standard now, and while iSheep love to keep their music on their device and we have this little thing called external storage and another little thing called Google Music, we don't have to, but seriously, cut the crap and ditch the 16GB model!
Allow us to remove certain features we just aren't going to use, EVER - as I stated already, I don't have kids and don't need a Kids Mode. If you aren't going to let us root the thing AND aren't going to launch it with more than 16GB, let me get rid of the damn Kids Mode. Or the health features. Or anything else I decide useless or unnecessary. When looking at pics of the camera settings on the S5, I'm able to download more features as I see fit - why not make some of this crap downloadable and not don't ship it with the device? Why not make an Aroma-like installer when you first boot it and say "hey, would you like all of this crap or just some of it?" like any PC software does when it installs something - Typical or Custom installation. Sounds like I'm asking for a lot here, but really, I'm asking to not be forced a lot that I really won't use. And before you comment that if I don't need it, don't buy it in the first place, there are so many things I love about my S4 and TouchWiz that I'm not planning to part with in order to have "a phone," my N7 has a purpose and it isn't so I can keep the screen on when I need it just by looking at it. It does great for playing movies on a trip but not for letting me change the channel of my big TV when I want to watch a blockbuster movie....
Ship with at least the S805 processor for crying out loud - if you're not going to blow us away with something new and powerful, at least ship it with the very latest processor this time from Qualcomm. The 800 has been out for months, the 801 is obviously an incremental update over the 800, and the 805 isn't that much better, but at least give us the goods instead of just going along with the same processor found in the N5 and G-Note 3. I don't think we've heard which one for sure will be included, but from what I've read, so far they say it's the 800 or the 801. EDIT - it's the 801, confirmed by Qualcomm....
Include wireless charging in the box - I shouldn't have to say this, wireless charging is now old technology, the SIII had the capability but not the attention or love needed for Samsung to just release the official cover, the S4 cover took 3 months to post online for sale, and with all the competition shipping their phones with it included, why aren't we able to get it without paying $50+ for it? I used a 50% off coupon to get it for $25, but that's $25 more than I should have spent after being let down on a promise that the SIII was supposed to be able to do it on a phone with nearly useless internal storage....
Sell us some legit accessories this time, namely a car dock - I'm always impressed when people recognize me from my review on the only working car dock for the S4 since Samsung decided to screw around with the whole thing and make my Infuse dock useless. It worked on the Skyrocket and SIII, and would have fit the S4 except it wasn't possible to get the thing working properly by charging and outputting dock audio on it, so it's collecting dust in a box right now. Sure, I get it, you want to sell me something new instead of letting me use the same one for my last phone, and that's different than what you are doing (or didn't do?) with the wireless charging cover, but in this situation, you're not even selling me one! The S4 sold tens of millions of devices, did you stop and think that maybe ONE of them would be going in a car and being used for playing music or navigating that owner safely from one place to another?
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That's all I got for now, I'm sure we can come up with more and while I highly doubt Samsung is listening to people like me, one of their 200M customers (I'd like to think I counted 4 times for buying 4 iterations of the Galaxy line), there's always a chance someone is listening. I bet they'll listen when they're trying to figure out why the sales figures are going to be monumentally lower this go-round, that's for sure!!!
A note to fanboys of all kinds, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, iThing, etc - let's keep it clean here, please. You haven't heard me bash anyone else here, even Samsung really, so please don't get this thread locked on me. I'm sure you have witty comments like Nokia and HTC have today, with their "Samesung," "Buyers Remose," and even the most original ones like telling me that you're disappointed or this phone is ugly.... As if we haven't seen those comments before. Be original if Samsung isn't, post something relevant to the discussion if you're going to post at all! I don't waste my time on writing this stuff to insult others, so don't do it to insult me. If you were never considering buying it, you don't have any reason to comment on here because nothing you're going to say will come across as helpful to myself or others. If you were considering buying it or even, dare I say switching from another brand, or actually will be buying this phone - let's discuss intelligently your reasons why!
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FM radio..
In Slovenia in past month we have major electric blackdown becouse of mother nature - no internet no nothing.. but FM radio did work.. on my S2 I could still listen what is happening, but on newer device.. bljah.. must have tool which cost them 1 euro cent per device..
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I agree with all you say. Particularly about wireless charging, and accessories which get launched with fanfare and then never see the light of day. The other thing they could do is to put one of the new gear items in the box too. That would be a good sweetener. Lol.
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NO KNOX!!! Or forget about Custom ROMs and warranty.

redzion said:
FM radio..
In Slovenia in past month we have major electric blackdown becouse of mother nature - no internet no nothing.. but FM radio did work.. on my S2 I could still listen what is happening, but on newer device.. bljah.. must have tool which cost them 1 euro cent per device..
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How do you know it doesn't ?

Two points here:
1. I see you are American, and that in the US the carriers **** in their customers' heads when it comes to freedom. The international S4 has an unlocked bootloader, it has been like that since the original S.
2. The Snapdragon 805 isn't available yet, sadly.
And why isn't 2GB of RAM enough? I have 300+ apps here, 9 accounts syncing and available RAM never goes below 700MB.

I'm going to point something out to everyone here that wants Samsung to get rid of security features such as locked bootloaders or Knox.
We are the minority. Do you Expect Samsung to tailor to us and risk the average consumer's information and safety so people can run an AOSP build or a custom kernel?
Ship the phone with an unlocked bootloader - I know, fat chance, right? But if you don't want people complaining about lack of storage, let us kill it off as we see fit! I also know it isn't up to Samsung on this, the carriers are the ones being douchebags about it, but Samsung put their foot down with them previously by stopping them from dictating all the individual revisions when they launched the SIII, making them all the same shape and size, so why can't they force their hand on this in the sake of making even the smallest group of their customers happy - those that truly use the phone for what it was meant for!
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While I'm not excusing the US carriers for doing this, but why do you think they try to steer people away from rooting and unlocking the bootloader? People mess up, brick their phone, and then try to do a warranty claim on them. They're protecting their profits, and as a business you cannot blame them for that. Anyone else here would do the same thing to retain profits. And what do you mean "use the phone for what it was meant for?" The phone is meant to be a mobile multimedia cellular device, which in fact still does on the software it ships with no problem.
Negate the 16GB version - this is obvious, why the hell is this even a thing anymore with Samsung.... just get rid of it if you're not going to slim down this ridiculously large ROM of yours! Ship with the 32GB at minimum and announce the 64GB as well. iThings do this as a standard now, and while iSheep love to keep their music on their device and we have this little thing called external storage and another little thing called Google Music, we don't have to, but seriously, cut the crap and ditch the 16GB model!
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I do agree with this, I don't see too much point of the 16gb version. Still at least gives you a start of 10gb of storage at least.
Allow us to remove certain features we just aren't going to use, EVER - as I stated already, I don't have kids and don't need a Kids Mode. If you aren't going to let us root the thing AND aren't going to launch it with more than 16GB, let me get rid of the damn Kids Mode. Or the health features. Or anything else I decide useless or unnecessary. When looking at pics of the camera settings on the S5, I'm able to download more features as I see fit - why not make some of this crap downloadable and not don't ship it with the device? Why not make an Aroma-like installer when you first boot it and say "hey, would you like all of this crap or just some of it?" like any PC software does when it installs something - Typical or Custom installation. Sounds like I'm asking for a lot here, but really, I'm asking to not be forced a lot that I really won't use. And before you comment that if I don't need it, don't buy it in the first place, there are so many things I love about my S4 and TouchWiz that I'm not planning to part with in order to have "a phone," my N7 has a purpose and it isn't so I can keep the screen on when I need it just by looking at it. It does great for playing movies on a trip but not for letting me change the channel of my big TV when I want to watch a blockbuster movie....
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You can disable features you don't need. But just because you decide a feature you think is useless or unnecessary, does not translate to everyone else will think this too. I like the kids mode feature, I've got kids and nephews that get my phone somehow all the time.(Anyone with kids can attest to that too! ) I'm sure people will love this feature.
Ship with at least the S805 processor for crying out loud - if you're not going to blow us away with something new and powerful, at least ship it with the very latest processor this time from Qualcomm. The 800 has been out for months, the 801 is obviously an incremental update over the 800, and the 805 isn't that much better, but at least give us the goods instead of just going along with the same processor found in the N5 and G-Note 3. I don't think we've heard which one for sure will be included, but from what I've read, so far they say it's the 800 or the 801.
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This is Qualcomm's area right here, ARM cpus are following the development of x86 cpus. Meaning it's reached a point now where development for ARM cores is slowing down, tremendously. We probably won't see any groundbreaking ARM cpu's come out for maybe at least a year or so now, took x86 cpus years to show good and cost effective performance gains.
Include wireless charging in the box - I shouldn't have to say this, wireless charging is now old technology, the SIII had the capability but not the attention or love needed for Samsung to just release the official cover, the S4 cover took 3 months to post online for sale, and with all the competition shipping their phones with it included, why aren't we able to get it without paying $50+ for it? I used a 50% off coupon to get it for $25, but that's $25 more than I should have spent after being let down on a promise that the SIII was supposed to be able to do it on a phone with nearly useless internal storage....
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Now you're just being greedy.
Sell us some legit accessories this time, namely a car dock - I'm always impressed when people recognize me from my review on the only working car dock for the S4 since Samsung decided to screw around with the whole thing and make my Infuse dock useless. It worked on the Skyrocket and SIII, and would have fit the S4 except it wasn't possible to get the thing working properly by charging and outputting dock audio on it, so it's collecting dust in a box right now. Sure, I get it, you want to sell me something new instead of letting me use the same one for my last phone, and that's different than what you are doing (or didn't do?) with the wireless charging cover, but in this situation, you're not even selling me one! The S4 sold tens of millions of devices, did you stop and think that maybe ONE of them would be going in a car and being used for playing music or navigating that owner safely from one place to another?
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I do agree with this, but also at the same time there are 100s of other companies making accessories that Samsung does not make.
Samsung is not going to tailor the phone just for one person or a small group, they're doing it for what they believe are the best choices for their devices. Looking at their track record of the Galaxy line up, I'd say they've got it down pretty good.

Why do u need a 2k screen on a 5" device? It eats battery life, it bogs down cpu and gpu performance for something that your eyes can't notice. I cant even see a pixel on my s4.
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My wishlist for S5 -Premium
1. 5.2" inches screen in body-size of S4. It's not too hard if they look at LG G2.
2. Radio FM, and playable via loudspeaker.
3. Good camera in low light condition.
4. Smaller bezel, by aluminum.
5. QHD display.
6. Better performed in drop-test, maybe
7. Keep removable battery + external SDcard.
8. Snapdragon 805 or Exynos 64bit octa-cores.
9. Only 1 "main" international version, both have LTE-A, 4K video rec etc...
10. Wireless charging included.
11. Ram 3G
12. At least 32 GB internal memory, like Note 3.
13. Fingerprint inside screen.
14. Max brightness at 600nit, like Note3.
15. Flash Xenon for camera and flash led for Camcorder.
16. 120 fps video recording at 1080p
17. Not too heavy. <150g.
18. Clearer audio recording, noise reduction.
19. Stereo sound on louder speaker like HTC One.
20. A better earphone with improved DAC
21. Sapphire glass for screen and camera lens.
22. Dust and water resistant is good, but I hope it will not affect the bezels.
23. Remove Samsung logo in the front and rear. Just Galaxy.
24. Note 3 fake leather still better than this S5C, or aluminum body.
25. Working, interchangeable for S-pen or any stylus pen, docking, etc
26. Front camera 5MP, rear 18MP
27. Hot plugged battery, SIM and microSD card without restart phone.
28. Include an projector like Galaxy Beam
29. USB 3.1
30. Removable and downloadable all bloatware, Knox, gesture...
31. 3000 mAh battery
32. New flat Touchwiz, it's still ugly.
33. Touchwiz fully runnable in ART and compatible with any pixel density.
34. Free lags, especially open the contacts/dialer must be faster.
35. Dual boot Android & WP, maybe triple with Ubuntu or GPE rom.
36. Update firmware at least 24 months, not like i9300.
37. Not too many versions in worldwide.
38. For some sharing features like Galaxy Beam, Samsung should share this app to works on other Android devices, (now we only have Android Beam).
The same for SS smart watch, smartTV....
39. Still support Adobe flash (it's not SS or GG obligation, but I hope it).
40. Improved airview and air gestures in smarter way than before (Example: hover finger on the links help user preview link, not zooming like now). Open the API for all the sensors function and support the developers to create much good app based on them.

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Two points here:
1. I see you are American, and that in the US the carriers **** in their customers' heads when it comes to freedom. The international S4 has an unlocked bootloader, it has been like that since the original S.
2. The Snapdragon 805 isn't available yet, sadly.
And why isn't 2GB of RAM enough? I have 300+ apps here, 9 accounts syncing and available RAM never goes below 700MB.
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When kitkat was being written all the engineers had to use a smart phone with only 512 mb of RAM.
This will be moot tho with TouchWiz which is the most bloated god awful software on Android. 2gb IS enough yet the s4 still suffered from lag.
With the newer processors not being available yet Samsung should have focused on design. They put zero effort into that. This will be their first flop in the galaxy line. And by flop I mean by their standards. It will still sell millions.
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When kitkat was being written all the engineers had to use a smart phone with only 512 mb of RAM.
This will be moot tho with TouchWiz which is the most bloated god awful software on Android. 2gb IS enough yet the s4 still suffered from lag.
With the newer processors not being available yet Samsung should have focused on design. They put zero effort into that. This will be their first flop in the galaxy line. And by flop I mean by their standards. It will still sell millions.
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I have minimal lag here, but even Nexus can lag, it's not just TW or Sense.

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Why do u need a 2k screen on a 5" device? It eats battery life, it bogs down cpu and gpu performance for something that your eyes can't notice. I cant even see a pixel on my s4.
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this is so true. people just want a better spec sheet not realizing going above 1080p will actually lower benchmarks particularly with the s800 and 801 being the only SoC available now. To get something you probably wont even notice you will be sacrificing just about everything else performance wise.
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I have minimal lag here, but even Nexus can lag, it's not just TW or Sense.
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Come on It was a pretty common bug on the s4. I have a Samsung tab note 10.1 and it lags considerably.
I've had numerous HTC phones over the years and sense has been toned down quite a bit. sense 3.0 was a system draining nightmare.
I really don't think you can compare a straight android ROM to A samsung rom and say with a straight face this makes no difference on performance or lag.
Just compare the size of a nexus 7 rom to any s4 rom.

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Come on It was a pretty common bug on the s4. I have a Samsung tab note 10.1 and it lags considerably.
I've had numerous HTC phones over the years and sense has been toned down quite a bit. sense 3.0 was a system draining nightmare.
I really don't think you can compare a straight android ROM to A samsung rom and say with a straight face this makes no difference on performance or lag.
Just compare the size of a nexus 7 rom to any s4 rom.
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Sure, the Note 10.1 is slow, but the problem isn't how light or heavy the ROM is, the lag happens because the Java-based Android Runtime isn't a optimized as iOS, for example.

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Sure, the Note 10.1 is slow, but the problem isn't how light or heavy the ROM is, the lag happens because the Java-based Android Runtime isn't a optimized as iOS, for example.
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It's actually dalvik at runtime. Dalvik virtual machine and kitkat is optimized quite well.
When you add a huge amount of code on top of that of course it will change the performance.
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It's actually dalvik at runtime. Dalvik virtual machine and kitkat is optimized quite well.
When you add a huge amount of code on top of that of course it will change the performance.
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Sure, but it'll never be as good as iOS or WP, sadly.
Anyway, here's a closer look at the new TW, and, you guys can kill me, but I really like it. http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-...z-what-changed-with-Samsungs-software_id53163

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Sure, but it'll never be as good as iOS or WP, sadly.
Anyway, here's a closer look at the new TW, and, you guys can kill me, but I really like it. http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-...z-what-changed-with-Samsungs-software_id53163
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Actually that's a matter of opinion. My nexus 7 2013 and HTC one run as well as any iOS device I've played with. And they're of course other factors such iOS locked down system, boring home screen, no widgets, tiny screen etc.
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Saw today a tweet from O2. 661 Euro. That is a lot of money. Think I have to pass.

anubius said:
Saw today a tweet from O2. 661 Euro. That is a lot of money. Think I have to pass.
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Damn.