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[Q] [Unsatisfied Customers] - Are you going to buy another Milestone product?

To Gregory Q. Brown (Motorola CEO) and the whole company:
You suck. You make me (us) puke. I (we) bought my Milestone and I'm (we're) really angry about it. 2.1 is BUGGY and 2.2 has been initially planned for Q3 2010 then planned for "early" Q1 2011. Are you clowns or what? That's all. I'm (we're) done with you.
So people: who of you are going to buy another Motorola product now that we know how they threat their customers? Please vote in the poll and post a comment.
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not taking this ANYMORE!" - Mr. Beale

Well, yeah.. they did screwed up a bit but the bottom line is that their products fits ME. The accesories, the hw keyboards I can't live without... all that makes it a deal. Barely, yes. Bootloader locked? wouldn't be a problem to me if the just updated as all other oses update. As os x, linux and windows update.
I have ms1 and played with ms2. I really like them both.
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Well I appreciate your honest opinion but think about them. They're threating us like sh*t. I agree when you say that Motorola products' quality is pretty EXCELLENT but this isn't true when it comes to software! And software is almost 60% of a smartphone. And, IMHO, if 60% of a product sucks, well, the whole product sucks too. I don't want to be left on the edge of the "development road" only because of Motorola laziness!

Well i dont think milestone will be getting froyo,thats what they say......
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After owning both the Milestone and the XT720, I can safely say I will never want to buy another Motorola product again.

no but im going to buy the droid 2 global so i can use ATT 3G and have a free bootloader!

Yes, i will buy another motorola product, but not a phone

No, the music skipping bug that was supposed to be fixed by 2.1 still affects me, the closed bootloader, the 30 fps cap in 2.1 is also annoying and the 2.2 update hasn't been realeased yet.
In the other hand the OS is awesome, I know for sure that the next phone I buy is going to be an android but not from motorola.

Crashreptila21 said:
Yes, i will buy another motorola product, but not a phone
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Lol! XD Obviously I meant a product related to the "smartphone" category!
BTW is there a way to change the title? I replaced Motorola with Milestone! -_-''

Well I too am pissed off by the promise of updates while we still don't get them. Remember it said "Flash-ready"? Still lacking that.

After seeing what Motorola did with the Droid X and 2, my D1 will be the last Motorola smartphone I get and will keep it until it either dies or I'm forced to a LTE phone.
Totally feel for you Milestone guys though.

in fact,i always want to buy another phone like "Milestone 2 - ME722" which with android 2.2 system.
but, no enough money NOW

sharljimhtsin said:
in fact,i always want to buy another phone like "Milestone 2 - ME722" which with android 2.2 system.
but, no enough money NOW
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So in the future you will be disappointed because Motorola won't upgrade your Milestone 2 to Gingerbread or Honeycomb...Trust me: buy other brand phones!
I sold my Milestone and I got a HD2...GUYS! IT ROCKS! Gingerbread is already almost FULLY-FUNCTIONAL! Only GPS doesn't work (which is a Gingerbread's issue not a cooked rom's one...). And soon we'll get Ubuntu and Meego running PERFECTLY!
People this is just an advice: LEAVE MOTOROLA ALONE! It doesn't deserve our money... At least HTC, Samsung etc. they let us doing what we want without any limits!

Motorola's Phones are very good devices as hardware. Milestone is my first Motorola and I am very satisfied with its engineering. But they pretty much suck on supporting their products.. Gingerbread is out and officially we are still waiting for FroYo.
I would buy again a Motorola, but just the much-anticipated Tablet that the will launch.
For my next Phone I will definitely choose a Google Phone, so I can have every latest update in a couple of days. A true dev phone.

Well, as I said, I LOVED Milestone hardware quality but its "closeness" is way more annoying than having a physical keyboard or a gummy back surface...

They grow old so fast...

Am i the only man on earth that believes phones reach their end of life to soon? I currently own a HTC Droid Incredible(the original launched in 2010), and i'm just a little pissed off that my phone probably isn't going to be receiving Sense2.0/3.0 or gingerbread, OFFICIALLY. Gingerbread is understandable, but come on, sense 2.0 released 4 months after the Inc. launched, and still no update. These sorta things happen to every phone, no matter what OS they run, or who manufactures them. I think it's BS that i should have to buy a new, 600$ phone every year in order to revive the newest version of the operating system it runs. Another great example, Palm. I also use to own one of their beautiful Web-OS devices(and i loved it BTW), But the updates i was promised on the development website were cancelled and never released, or at least, i switched to Android before they were after waiting 6 months.
My point is, companies almost seem to forget about their devices, even only after a couple of months of release. The device could be completely capable of running the software bug-free, but they decide to throw it to the side, and focus on the future, when most of us still hold the past in our hands.

I agree too.. Well companies have always been like that.. and their only goal is to attract consumers and make money..

They need a better way to do it. I don't know many normal users who've updated firmware / OS.
Came across an iPhone user before christmas who was really frustrated that no apps or games worked anymore. I think the OS was 2 1/2 years out of date. They were going to buy a new phone before I upgraded the OS for them and everything suddenly worked!
-=JK=-

Bubblyhobo said:
Am i the only man on earth that believes phones reach their end of life to soon? I currently own a HTC Droid Incredible(the original launched in 2010), and i'm just a little pissed off that my phone probably isn't going to be receiving Sense2.0/3.0 or gingerbread, OFFICIALLY. Gingerbread is understandable, but come on, sense 2.0 released 4 months after the Inc. launched, and still no update. These sorta things happen to every phone, no matter what OS they run, or who manufactures them. I think it's BS that i should have to buy a new, 600$ phone every year in order to revive the newest version of the operating system it runs. Another great example, Palm. I also use to own one of their beautiful Web-OS devices(and i loved it BTW), But the updates i was promised on the development website were cancelled and never released, or at least, i switched to Android before they were after waiting 6 months.
My point is, companies almost seem to forget about their devices, even only after a couple of months of release. The device could be completely capable of running the software bug-free, but they decide to throw it to the side, and focus on the future, when most of us still hold the past in our hands.
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Why else do people flock to XDA?
The developers here are the stuff of our technological dreams. Moore's law dictates a cycle of 24 months for obsolescence, and with our advances in UX and algorithm, this fleeting time is cut even shorter by the abhorred shears of Atropos. XDA lends a lifeline to our devices, and surely I say to you, without CyanogenMod in my phone I'd feel very blue. So if you would ask me if Androids dream of Electric Sheep, I'd say that in this site their only nightmare is apathy.

I totally agree

Indeed. It's quite depressing to think that the HTC Sensation is probably going to be knocked off it's flagship podium before I actually manage to procure a device that doesn't have copious amounts of dust under the screen or other such elementary problems.

Hence I bought the phone I liked, at the price I can afford, with the functions I want.
Next upgrade is probably never, unless I get some $ windfall.

I wanted to buy a Desire S since it has everything I needed until I found out there's no Sense 3.0, WTF it got released almost the same time Sensation did
I won't buy an expensive phone because it'll go down without an effort
TBH the best companies that offers updates are Samsung and Sony Ericsson, HTC is between medicore and horrible and Motorola is below the center of the earth.

sakai4eva said:
Why else do people flock to XDA?
The developers here are the stuff of our technological dreams. Moore's law dictates a cycle of 24 months for obsolescence, and with our advances in UX and algorithm, this fleeting time is cut even shorter by the abhorred shears of Atropos. XDA lends a lifeline to our devices, and surely I say to you, without CyanogenMod in my phone I'd feel very blue. So if you would ask me if Androids dream of Electric Sheep, I'd say that in this site their only nightmare is apathy.
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I do.agree with you, but like the first reply, not everyone updates their devices. We are the part.of the community that loves being in sync, with the latest and fastest, but the pace of Moore's law is so fast It's almost impossible. Btw, I have the Kingdom gingersense 3.0 ROM.running on my Inc, It's awesome,.sense 3.0 is.epic

I'm thinking of apple users when i read this. Get an iphone, looks and feels great and next thing you know it there's a newer version of it and your old one won't even receive the software update.
You're right when you say that companies worry too much of the future and forget to think of their current devices.
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Nex_1 said:
I wanted to buy a Desire S since it has everything I needed until I found out there's no Sense 3.0, WTF it got released almost the same time Sensation did
I won't buy an expensive phone because it'll go down without an effort
TBH the best companies that offers updates are Samsung and Sony Ericsson, HTC is between medicore and horrible and Motorola is below the center of the earth.
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Haha, exactly my point. Though Motorola is really good with updating their droids, but thats because Verizon pays them to do it. The newest Droid x 2.3.3 update is super buggy, my friend has it and keeps complaint about the camera crashing, and random restart, and freezing

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TBH the best companies that offers updates are Samsung and Sony Ericsson, HTC is between medicore and horrible and Motorola is below the center of the earth.
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Uh, you have that confused. Who took 7 months to update their phone from 1.6 to 2.1? Sony Ericsson. I'm sure we all know about the U.S. Galaxy S update fiasco. Motorola has got to be the best (in the U.S. with their high end phones) IMO. Droid X was released with 2.1, 2 months later it received 2.2. Last month it recieved 2.3. Same with the OG Droid. Launched with 2.0, recieved 2.1 I believe 3-4 months afterward and 2.2 last summer (early August). For HTC, the Mytouch 3G for example. Launched July, 29th 2009, with 1.5, got a 1.6 update several months later, then recieved 2.1 and in November recieved 2.2. Of course it ran horribly with 2.2 but HTC still updated it. Now none of the companies are perfect at updating, but HTC and Motorola have it best (IMO).

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Uh, you have that confused. Who took 7 months to update their phone from 1.6 to 2.1? Sony Ericsson. I'm sure we all know about the U.S. Galaxy S update fiasco. Motorola has got to be the best (in the U.S. with their high end phones) IMO. Droid X was released with 2.1, 2 months later it received 2.2. Last month it recieved 2.3. Same with the OG Droid. Launched with 2.0, recieved 2.1 I believe 3-4 months afterward and 2.2 last summer (early August). For HTC, the Mytouch 3G for example. Launched July, 29th 2009, with 1.5, got a 1.6 update several months later, then recieved 2.1 and in November recieved 2.2. Of course it ran horribly with 2.2 but HTC still updated it. Now none of the companies are perfect at updating, but HTC and Motorola have it best (IMO).
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It all depends where you live. In USA, Motorola is pretty good at updating their devices. In other parts of the world, they're horrible. Samsung is exactly the opposite - international SGS got 2.2 and was the first non-Nexus device with 2.3. In USA, some of their phones got 2.2 recently. So it's hard to say.

Haha, totally agree man, the fascinated got 2.2 like a months ago, the galaxy tab is just starting to get upgrades, reason I avoided Samsung, even if the phones are beautiful, they lack with updates. I thought HTC with their track record would much a fast sense 2.0 update for my phone, but never did even after confirmation

staring to feel ripped off.

I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.

I'm not sure why they don't update things faster either. I guess it's just that a new version of android would confuse the majority of users. idk

Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy. If you want updates, go to pretty much any other OS.

z33dev33l said:
Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy.
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This is partly true, this rest is garbage.
Another thing is, people who want upgraded OSs are in the minority. So it just doesn't make since to put resources into stuff people don't care about.
A lot of my friends are still on IOS4.
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Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?

xaccers said:
Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
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99% of the time I'd agree with that, but I'm fastidious when it comes to having organised bookmarks. I use Chrome at home and at work and have bookmark syncing enabled. I've used ChromeMarks to access my Chrome bookmarks on my phone, but I've always wanted it to be part of the browser.
Enter, Google Chrome for Android. It does the bookmark syncing.
I literally have ICS on my S2 for that 1 reason. Even with a few bugs and lags every now and then (it's still beta, after all).

I find the people not wanting updates comment as b.s. As for them not wanting to update to sell new phones, I agree with that, but as a consumer it gets tiring having every penny milked from you in one way or another. I buy a new phone outright every year, I have an evo3d, so comparing its update to something like a g1 is ridiculous at best.
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^ as stated you're the minority. The majority don't buy phones for updates. Hell most don't know what OS their phone has.
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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.

bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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Correcto, thats why carriers love Android so much.
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sleekgreek said:
I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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because the programmers get paid for it so they have no hurry. the dev community wants to use it so they put alot of hours and concentration into and get it out. I feel your pain man

This.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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This is the most common candidate for being the main reason. Why make people content with the last Big Thing when you can instead beef up and get them hyped for the next Big Thing?
But then why schedule the Ice Cream upgrade for the SGII just before the SGIII comes out? Beats me. Maybe companies are just schizophrenic. Maybe it's a genius plan to make people fume into wanting the SGIII (people tend not to to change their minds once they've made it up) while ensuring the people who can't afford it still remain happy after six months. Maybe it's just a publicity issue (Samsung needs the positive publicity of coming out with ICS, so they'll eventually need to follow through, but not until the very last moment). Any explanation seems likely to me at this point.
This is why it's generally best to buy a future-proof phone. With the Nexus, for example, you'll be able to get indefinite upgrades from google (even if you have to go through a few hoops). The easier something is to unlock (and I suppose: the more popular it is so that more devs are working on it), the more likely you'll be able to keep your phone upgraded yourself, even if you'll have to go through a few hoops to do so. You can't rely on your manufacturer*, and you definitely can't rely on your carrier to have your best upgrade interests in mind.
Of course, if you get a new phone every year (or even every two years), this isn't so much of an issue for you. Most people probably do this (indeed, the very system encourages them to do this), and so there's little incentive to actually change the system.
*This is supposedly where Apple excels, but at what cost..

I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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As said above, the biggest issues are that Devs here and elsewhere have no responsibilities if the upgrades fail, and secondly, there are a ridiculous number of devices being released. There are about 100 android devices available as current phones, and I don't know how many total. Rather difficult to keep so many up to date. It would be nice if they would scale back how many products are out at once, but manufacturers don't seem to get that yet.

psychephylax said:
I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I just dont agree with that, after being with the palm pre from its launch, through all the manual hacks we had to implement before preware, then finally recieving an update months later that couldn't compete with the unofficial code from the guys over at precentral. There is a problem there. I understand there is alot of red tape involved with official releases, but even given that, the time frames are still ridiculous to the point that there is nothing reasonable about it. As awesome as the pre was it was missing basic functions, functions that were there in the code, perhaps they wanted to follow apples model of screwing the customer into the next model, idk. The fact of the matter is, there is no reason why htc or acer or samsung, despite touchwiz and sense and cant push out a nice update in a timely manner, none.

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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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In the UK where contracts (compared with what I've seen in other countries) are actually pretty good value, you get a new phone for free or not very much every time you renew your contract.
After even a year, there are much better phones out there, the phone you have may be a bit scuffed around the corners, battery will be down on capacity.
So most people upgrade when they get a new contract anyway.

It kills me when i read about the supposedly new "jelly bean" that's supposed to be coming out within the year. Seriously? get ICS out on more phones before you even THINK about releasing another update. Who knows the actual reason behind the delays for these updates but someone needs to get on it. When some of the newest phones out right now still don't have ICS or won't for awhile, there's something wrong.

The obvious plan is to push people to buy the newer quad core phones, more contracts, more money, not to mention if there's a premium because they're "quad core" just like then 4G first came out.

the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..

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the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
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This is true. A while back when I was trying to buy my first smartphone I ended up buying an original Droid just because of the salesman telling me about buy one get one offer, after reading about them, I had found out that this phone was so outdated, luckily I had found out before my 30 days.
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LG Thrill P925P Products and Support

Let me just say that I will never buy another LG product or recommend another LG product for as long as I live! I had my LG Thrill approximately 3 months before the internal speaker quit working, LG's solution to the problem was to send me a refurbished phone. Now instead of having a P925, I have a P925P. Seems like no big deal, but when Gingerbread finally came out I had to wait until they decided to allow updates for refurbished phones. Now ICS comes out and it looks like I am going through all this crap again!! I paid a lot of money to get this phone and I got it right after it came out, and though no fault of my own my phone malfunctioned. The support is horrible! I've just spent the last 3 hours in 9 different phone calls to LG and have not resolved anything! They have a web site that I set up a username and password for and have logged into that no longer will allow me to log on. All the LG products that I have ever owned have never lasted to the warranty period or very far past the warranty! Inferior products and horrible support means that I will tell everyone I know to NEVER BUY ANOTHER LG PRODUCT PERIOD!!!

LG - lie is good We know it.
But why don't you take initiative and flash rooted ICS by youself? You are not afraid of loosing warranty, right?
Just go to LG Optimus 3D development section of xda (it's exactly the same phone but different name outside US).
There is beautiful ROM by user xbsa. Yes, it involves some pricedures but result is nice! And you will feel very proud of yourself!
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Will Oneplus 3T be also pissed off in 6 months by Oneplus 4 !

As oneplus 3T is a controversial launch for all op3 owners and its dev community, this question came in my mind. We all know how oneplus is treating op2 after release of op3, I am just worried they are gonna do the same with Op3 by discontinuing it. And will the same happen with op3T also when again after few months they will come with another new flagship Op4...

As for now, they have proven to be mistrusted, so I'd say they'll discontinue just like they did before.

I don't think they'll be on a 6 month release schedule.
Finally, OnePlus told us this is not indicative of a new line-up and that users should not infer that there will be two separate SKUs (one being superior) in 2017 and beyond — they claim that the OnePlus 3T is a situational phenomenon . . .
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I expect they'll release the OP4 around this time next year or a bit earlier. This device mainly seems to be a challenge to the Pixel (and it serves to better position their releases for Christmas sales?)

Sell the 3T for $350 and get the 4, $100 every 6 months or $200 per year for a flagship product is one hell of a deal...

Hopefully there won't be an OP 4T, there will just be an OP 4 this time next year.

Best guess. There'll be a OP4 in six months and another OP device six months after that. This is what a smaller company does. This is what Chinese mobile phone companies do - they release new versions all the time and are continually releasing new devices with the latest hardware.

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Best guess. There'll be a OP4 in six months and another OP device six months after that. This is what a smaller company does. This is what Chinese mobile phone companies do - they release new versions all the time and are continually releasing new devices with the latest hardware.
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I think its great that they are constantly updating and keeping the devices current...dont have to Wait so long in between devices.
I dont get why everyone is complaining about new hardware dropping? Its some thing to get excited about not upset!
I wish sammy and google would folllow suit honestly...a couple notes per year would be amazing. (As long as they dont spontaneously combust lol)
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force70 said:
I dont get why everyone is complaining about new hardware dropping? Its some thing to get excited about not upset!
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I think they see it as loosing their bragging rights, since they no longer have "the best" that company makes. It's irrational and somewhat childish, technology does move forward and the phone they bought didn't get any worst because of this (in fact it's still one of the very best around).
To finish my rambling:
1) Buy what you need, not what consumerism and marketing departments tells you to.
2) Once you do buy something, take the most out of it while it still works. I believe that is why we are all here at XDA, is it not?

thats the cell game bro.....look at samsung..

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I think they see it as loosing their bragging rights, since they no longer have "the best" that company makes. It's irrational and somewhat childish, technology does move forward and the phone they bought didn't get any worst because of this (in fact it's still one of the very best around).
To finish my rambling:
1) Buy what you need, not what consumerism and marketing departments tells you to.
2) Once you do buy something, take the most out of it while it still works. I believe that is why we are all here at XDA, is it not?
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It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T

crysen said:
As for now, they have proven to be mistrusted, so I'd say they'll discontinue just like they did before.
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This is silly. I still have an awesome phone, better software, greater development than virtually any phone, and have gotten great customer service from OnePlus. Every time I have had to deal with Customer Service/ Tech Support, they have been very helpful and answered all my questions, plus have been extremely efficient when handling various situations and when I had to RMA my device they emailedme almost daily to keep me abreast of what was happening with my device. They have already provided several updates and Nougat is in beta testing, but if you don't want to wait, there are plenty of third party Nougat roms already available. The reason they are available, they released all sources and posted stock roms. So I am not sure why you are so butt hurt and say they are proven to be mistrusted just because they released a new device?

Do you guys think it's better to wait for 1+4 or go with 1+3t?
I can resist... but i don't know if my Nexus5 can do it too.
I've read some of the rumors (2k, 4000mah), but i don't know if they can be trusted.
Sorry if i've made any mistakes, but i'm new :>

IMHO, wait if you can. If any of the rumoured specs are right, this should be a really good device! If you can't wait, check out the 3 on eBay. Now that the 3T is out, 3's are showing up for discounts. Seen them as cheap as $310.

Thanks.
I guess I'll wait...
The downside is that there is no specific date nor price around :/
You know, waiting and then it turns out that 1+4 costs 550/600€ would probably kill me...
Like Xiaomi did with Mi Note 2.
Thanks for the advice!

AnotherM1m said:
Thanks.
I guess I'll wait...
The downside is that there is no specific date nor price around :/
You know, waiting and then it turns out that 1+4 costs 550/600€ would probably kill me...
Like Xiaomi did with Mi Note 2.
Thanks for the advice!
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Don't wait.. If you really wanna buy a new phone, do it now. New devices will always come and manufactures themselves will always make them outdated in few months. So don't wait, buy Op3/Op3t whichever is available in your country and enjoy.
That's how it works.
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Yea, i get your point.
But i prefer waiting (if my N5 allows me to ) and get a phone with a 2k screen.
1+3t will be available in one week from today... I'm gonna start to count six months from that day asd.

Rossyyy said:
It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T
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In what way they lied? Did they say that they won't release new phone before next year or what? Why they have to keep 1 year cycle? Because you want them to? What does it change for OP3 user? Their phone specs will get lower somehow? You are getting what you paid for but you expect to be the best for one whole year? Everyone will wait?
I am very happy that they improve, because why not? And it is actually not that they released new phone, they had to produce them more and it was probably just easier to put 821 and battery is just using different voltage.
A lot of butt-hurt here...

Rossyyy said:
It's not just that, it's lying to the customers, standard phones have a year cycle. it also makes the development friendly phone less friendly as already many devs have said they wont support the 3T
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I get what you are saying, but that's just how customer point of view, not necessary what explicitly stated by the manufacturer. But, even if what you said is true about standard phones then exactly what exactly is standard? I mean Samsung have tons of phone out each year, and you could also say both the Galaxy S and Note series are just half a year apart, yes they are not exactly the same series of phone, but in many PoV, they are close enough. As far as the manufacturer PoV is concern, OP is considered relatively small company, making two similar phones simultaneously would cost more for them, and thus it make economic sense. But seriously, why would it bother you or anyone? I mean, it is stupid to think that they can't get better android phone half a year from now. Seriously, every month, there is at least a new android phone and most customers would look at the phone that suit them best, or whatever that have the latest and greatest features.

You mention the Samsung phones and yes they are similar but it isn't the exact same model.
Also the note and S series are aimed at different people. I wouldn't want a mobile any bigger than 5.5 and before the op3 I wasn't even sure i wanted to more up to 5.5
If they told customers they were releasing a 3T more people would have waited .
Also I can tell support for the OP3 is going to slowly fade away and be in the same position as the OP2

AnotherM1m said:
Yea, i get your point.
But i prefer waiting (if my N5 allows me to ) and get a phone with a 2k screen.
1+3t will be available in one week from today... I'm gonna start to count six months from that day asd.
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2K screen, or you mean UHD screen? I have a note 4 right now, and even Notebook w/ UHD, but seriously even after a year and looking at the current situation, i think it's a bit overrated. There still isn't a lot of app or software that take full advantage of that high res. Yes, the screen look nice but only to a certain point. In most cases, it won't be distinguishable from 1080p screen. What suck about it is that your graphic gaming performance will suffer because it's now 4 times the pixels it have to render, and also battery life. Hence I'm leaving the Note 4 to the OP3T.