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yet, another reason why you should not buy iPhones & iPads

In China, Human Costs Are Built Into an iPad
buying any of those products are just making more people suffer

AllGamer said:
In China, Human Costs Are Built Into an iPad
buying any of those products are just making more people suffer
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Right. I will never own an Apple product, because this has been going on a long time with them. Now I know other companies outsource the same way. But Apple is the leader. Apple has the money to manufacture somewhere else, but they would rather see $97,000,000,000.00 in the bank than see people treated well. It's truly disgusting. It's also disgusting that people pay a premium for those devices. Those same people that buy inferior apple products have the money to search out something that is priced similar to apple products that both do more, and are made in a country with ethics and standards!!!

masondoctorjt said:
Apple has the money to manufacture somewhere else, but they would rather see $97,000,000,000.00 in the bank than see people treated well. It's truly disgusting. It's also disgusting that people pay a premium for those devices. Those same people that buy inferior apple products have the money to search out something that is priced similar to apple products that both do more, and are made in a country with ethics and standards!!!
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If your boycotting apple what about sony microsoft nintendo toshiba etc? They use the exact same people, foxconn, but how many people would give up their games consoles or high def tvs etc?
Comments like these where only apple is singled out are simply biased and unfair because ALL those using these people are equally wrong.
I don't like apple at all but I think ignoring the other companies involved, including some android phone makers such as sony ericsson, is letting them off and letting one company a lot of us dislike be our mythical evil bad guy when in reality they are all as bad as each other.
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mistermentality said:
If your boycotting apple what about sony microsoft nintendo toshiba etc? They use the exact same people, foxconn, but how many people would give up their games consoles or high def tvs etc?
Comments like these where only apple is singled out are simply biased and unfair because ALL those using these people are equally wrong.
I don't like apple at all but I think ignoring the other companies involved, including some android phone makers such as sony ericsson, is letting them off and letting one company a lot of us dislike be our mythical evil bad guy when in reality they are all as bad as each other.
Dave
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This is what I call a fair judgement.
You can't blame apple as a company.
Foxconn is the one mistreating its people. And apple uses foxconn because it is cheap.
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i don't like nor own Microsoft products, i go Linux
i don't own any consoles, the only console i ever had was the Intellivision, which doesn't even exist anymore, except as Emulators
for my games fix i got the PC/Android/Web games
phones i'll only buy Korea made original Samsung products
only the Foxconn China factories have poor human rights, the other ones in other countries follow adequate guidelines, you can blame that in the lack of China's own respect for humans quality of living
i don't like sony devices, they don't live up to my expectations, now even Nokia fell into that category after joining with Microsoft
mistermentality said:
I don't like apple at all but I think ignoring the other companies involved, including some android phone makers such as sony ericsson, is letting them off and letting one company a lot of us dislike be our mythical evil bad guy when in reality they are all as bad as each other.
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there's actually a facebook boycotting club for foxconn, but no clue what they are saying since most of the stuff on the wall is not in english

they are overpriced
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"yet, another reason why you should not buy iPhones, iPads, other mobile phones, Playstation, Nintendo products, computers and let's not forget everything we wear on our bodies."
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AllGamer said:
i don't like nor own Microsoft products, i go Linux
i don't own any consoles, the only console i ever had was the Intellivision, which doesn't even exist anymore, except as Emulators
for my games fix i got the PC/Android/Web games
phones i'll only buy Korea made original Samsung products
only the Foxconn China factories have poor human rights, the other ones in other countries follow adequate guidelines, you can blame that in the lack of China's own respect for humans quality of living
i don't like sony devices, they don't live up to my expectations, now even Nokia fell into that category after joining with Microsoft
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I wasn't intending my reply to be meant personally about you, just the argument in general that some people make of only apple being the one responsible, which was what I thought you were saying, so apologies if it was taken the wrong way.
As for Samsung, foxconn assemble some of their phones too, and have done since about 2008 / 2009, so there is no way to know if a particular samsung model is a foxconn one or not unfortunately.
Foxconns android customers include Asus, Lenovo, Motorola, Samsung and Sony Ericsson which I mention simply because as an Android fan I worry when its only apple people notice doing these as I think they are all as bad as each other, and I'm in no way trying to pick on anyone using Foxconn products as I myself have a Sony product and an Asus, and they are very good, but they could well have been produced by the same people.
The problem is that many companies outsource to the cheapest source which will always be one where workers are paid a pittance and their rights are unimportant because the more rights a worker has, and the better their wages etcetera, the higher the cost of production becomes which is why big companies like apple, microsoft and sony etcetera won't build them in say America or Europe.

mistermentality said:
If your boycotting apple what about sony microsoft nintendo toshiba etc? They use the exact same people, foxconn, but how many people would give up their games consoles or high def tvs etc?
Comments like these where only apple is singled out are simply biased and unfair because ALL those using these people are equally wrong.
I don't like apple at all but I think ignoring the other companies involved, including some android phone makers such as sony ericsson, is letting them off and letting one company a lot of us dislike be our mythical evil bad guy when in reality they are all as bad as each other.
Dave
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I honestly don't own anything made, that I know of, in a foxcon factory. The only exception might be this phone, but to be honest, all my other htc phones were not from China. My wife's nokia is from Mexico. And so we're her previous blackberries. My computers are gateways from 2005. And I don't own a tv or video recorder made in the last decade. Let's see. My DVR is made in Mexico, and my Atari jaguar is made in USA can you believe it? My pioneer receiver is Indonesia. My hand tools are all made in USA, and I buy DeWalt 18v cordless tools because they are the only ones not made in China, they are made in Mexico, and their batteries are made in Japan.My work cloths I usually get at a thrift store, so where they are made is mostly irrelevant, but my work boots are Redwings, and I make sure they are the ones made in the USA. My tennis shoes are new balance, also made in the usa.So I actually am boycotting them all. I'm so glad I did not get an xbox360 when I wanted one now that I know they are made in a foxconn factory. I know there are things you can't help buying that are made there, but you can at least try.
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masondoctorjt said:
I honestly don't own anything made, that I know of, in a foxcon factory. The only exception might be this phone, but to be honest, all my other htc phones were not from China. My wife's nokia is from Mexico. And so we're her previous blackberries. My computers are gateways from 2005. And I don't own a tv or video recorder made in the last decade. Let's see. My DVR is made in Mexico, and my Atari jaguar is made in USA can you believe it? My pioneer receiver is Indonesia. My hand tools are all made in USA, and I buy DeWalt 18v cordless tools because they are the only ones not made in China, they are made in Mexico, and their batteries are made in Japan.My work cloths I usually get at a thrift store, so where they are made is mostly irrelevant, but my work boots are Redwings, and I make sure they are the ones made in the USA. My tennis shoes are new balance, also made in the usa.So I actually am boycotting them all. I'm so glad I did not get an xbox360 when I wanted one now that I know they are made in a foxconn factory. I know there are things you can't help buying that are made there, but you can at least try.
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why? do you believe that foxconn is the only company that does that? how are you so sure that in such big factories all over the world it doesnt happen? ever been there?
the only way to be sure that you arent taking advantage of anyone is to do it yourself, but i dont see you making your own motherboard, car or clothes...

mistermentality said:
If your boycotting apple what about sony microsoft nintendo toshiba etc? They use the exact same people, foxconn, but how many people would give up their games consoles or high def tvs etc?
Comments like these where only apple is singled out are simply biased and unfair because ALL those using these people are equally wrong.
I don't like apple at all but I think ignoring the other companies involved, including some android phone makers such as sony ericsson, is letting them off and letting one company a lot of us dislike be our mythical evil bad guy when in reality they are all as bad as each other.
Dave
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Eh, Microsoft is largely a software company, and 360 plants actually have outstanding work conditions.

SO MANY things are made in China that you could use that argument for almost anything.
The real argument is that iOS is restricting, closed source and steals allot of their ideas from other OS and companies. It's the distortion field that makes everyone believe their implementation is cool. Also, iOS is dumbed down for the masses and it's pretty (the only slightly,redeeming quality IMHO).
Not using Apple devices because they are made in China is a superfluous reason. There are MANY better reasons,not to use/buy (from) Apple (devices)
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Welcome to overpopulation and under-education. Sad, but true fact is that for most of those "poor" workers, its pennies at those factories or starvation (and US pennies, are basically full chinese dollars, that buy food and clothing and pay the rent, even if you live in a box).
Easy for you guys to talk the talk, but you wouldn't survive an hour that those people do 24/7. And let me get to the real kicker- you wouldn't even dare to care to try losing the comfort of your own shoes, let alone home or anything more significant than that. Just be happy where you ended up in the pyramid and if you make it rich, try to help those masses.

dexter93 said:
why? do you believe that foxconn is the only company that does that? how are you so sure that in such big factories all over the world it doesnt happen? ever been there?
the only way to be sure that you arent taking advantage of anyone is to do it yourself, but i dont see you making your own motherboard, car or clothes...
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That's why I said try. If you buy from places that have some form of regulation, than at least you are trying. Sounds like you are saying, "well I don't know for sure, so I'm not even going to try" well to each his own, but at least I feel better for trying, even though I might not have as much money in my pocket because of it.
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z33dev33l said:
Eh, Microsoft is largely a software company, and 360 plants actually have outstanding work conditions.
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If you read news reports microsoft specifically have been singled out in some. For example http://m.kotaku.com/5875359/xbox-fa...regular-production-adjustments-says-microsoft
360 plants from foxconn are not outstanding at all and if they had such conditions you would not have had ten suicides two years ago nor the recent suicide threats by people building the xbox.
Maybe you believe ms are great employers outside america but they are not.
Dave
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Nokia claims Nexus 7 violates a Wifi patent they hold

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/nokia-claims-nexus-7-treads-on-its-wifi-patents/
Let's hope this doesn't cause any delays eh?

Hahaha
Nokia trying to be relevant.
That's adorable.

lol this is brilliant, Google should ban Nokia as well as apple from YouTube and Google, funny how all these patents suddenly are used when they might loose customers cause there products might not be as good.

Unlike Apple, Nokia is not out to destroy their competitors. I think they will be happy with royalties.

Everybody wants a piece of the Google pie.

MaxCarnage said:
Nokia claims Nexus 7 treads on its WiFi patents, wants a little dough for that Jelly Bean
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/nokia-claims-nexus-7-treads-on-its-wifi-patents/
Let's hope this doesn't cause any delays eh?
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Nokia is still around? They used to make good phones and then they teamed up with certain company in Redmond. Still cannot digest they didn't chose Android

hashibahoohaa said:
Nokia is still around? They used to make good phones and then they teamed up with certain company in Redmond. Still cannot digest they didn't chose Android
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Has anyone actually cared about Nokia since the days when everyone and their granddad had a 3390? haha

Everyone is paying royalties to Nokia, even Apple. This time Google is bad boy, they will have to pay.

What exactly are the "patents" Google's using, anyway? The article never mentions the actual patents.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting money for legitimate patents, which these are likely to be (patenting an actual invention, like a wifi component, as opposed to mere ideas like so many of Apple's "patents"). And in fact, shame on Google and ASUS if they didn't dot all the i's and cross all the t's here.
Not a big deal, though, because they'll just agree to reasonable royalties and move on. As some have mentioned, that's perfectly reasonable and how it should work in general. It's also why I'm not nearly as bothered by Microsoft's approach, which has been to get licensing fees from Android makers and otherwise get out of the way.

Did Nexus 4 really just sold out faster than iPhone 5?

I mean, I am not iFan or anything, but all around the world where Nexus 4 was available for purchase was sold out in a blink of an eye.
Is this successful for Google or bad? What do you guys think.
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No they just have less units available at launch
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo

3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.

EvoYas said:
3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:

hopefully this was just to test the waters to make sure there is a demand before they make more since they are selling these at a loss. hopefully they restore stock before the holidays.

lol, nothing against any other country, just be easier on everyone to not have a bad experience this way. But I must say, this is by far the most popular Nexus Cellphone, LG and Google got this one for sure. I'm happy thou, because it will only get better from here.

DR-Dizzy said:
Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong

flx-grafix said:
Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Speculation but the only reasonable logic. Given how slow and how many errors there were, Google is not ready to sell iPhone numbers. I do not believe that much stock was emptied. In either case, hopefully they provide some numbers for us. If they don't, well then I think we can just assume the PR stunt.
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Lets wait and watch, I would love to read about this launch and see what everyone is thinking about this. Can't call this a satisfying launch at all but a successful launch from Google's point of view I would say.
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Yeah it seems to be a ****ty marketing stunt, might of had a negative impact actually because they've pissed a lot of people off
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Sp does nokia claim for their latest lumia lol but they only put on sale some thousands and not some millions so depends on the stock quantity

flx-grafix said:
Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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i guess they did it on reason, everytime apple releases iphone they make huge buzz around the world sold out sold out huge line outside of the store.. AS GOOGLE CANT HAVE HUGE LINE OUTSIDA STORE THEY TRICKED US WITH LESS STOCK AND MAKING SOLD OUT BUZZ. SHUT UP GOOGLE U MORON U LEFT LOADS OF UNHAPPY LOYAL SLEEPLESS CUSTOMERS WHO WERE EAGERLY WAITING ON THE DEVICE.
i doubt they had 500 devices for uk market

stinky73 said:
Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
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lol, they effectively did, started in Australia and worked westward to the US.

I find it believable, since they are not pulling off the same sold out stunt with the Nexus 10. It is probably due to the price. All they have to get out there is superior to the GS3 and for $349 unlocked with no contract and whoever that needs a new phone would be crazy not to buy it.
That said, there are not enough geeks to sustain these numbers like the iphone 5 can sustain the numbers. However, 2 million or more geeks all ordering at 9am pst is definitely plausible. But once that 2 million gets theirs then we will see how much staying power the Nexus 4 generates.

This is without a doubt a marketing technique. Watch all the tech articles tomorrow "Google sells out Nexus 4 in .03 microseconds!"
And you'll get ignorant posters with comments like "OMGWTFBBQ Apple took 2 days to sell out! I love Google tehe LMAO OMFG"
even if Google only had 3 phones to sell, and Apple had 3 million

marketing stunt
Exactly, totally a marketing stunt. They want the headlines that the Nexus 4 sold out, that its a hot commodity. That will create more interest, higher demand, and magically in a few days a whole butt-load of units will show up in the play store. It'll be interesting to see if they actually release number of units sold today.

They sold out because they only had like 10 devices available in each region, except the US, where they had like 15 units available...
Yes, I'm bitter.

I'm actually more curious the volume of sales for the first day of release, and if Google will release those numbers.

I gt one for myself!! But ya google sucked!! I feel sorry for you all!! They must have stocked arnd one lakh/0.1 million units in each country!! Thats really bad!! Apple had really done a good job

LG hampering Nexus 4 production

There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?

Wooven said:
There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?
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I think im hungry and need to eat lunch.

N4 is a chance for LG to show they can do high end and quality. How they were convinced to have this selling beside the optimus g but at half the price I doubt we'll ever know.
Besides that, obviously nobody but those looking to get one are happy about it. Given that this is only a win for consumers, wouldn't surprise me to see LG give poor stock, although it may not be up to them and already be in a big contract.
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It doesn't matter whether LG is happy or not; this is the course that the Illuminati mapped out for mankind after world leaders made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences shortly after WWII. Through the United Nations, which is really a puppet regime of the Illuminati designed to prepare us for contact with advanced alien lifeforms and technology, they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper so that we all become so used to having it be an integral part of our lives until we accept the idea of it being integrated biologically and the aliens can use it to turn us into mindless, cybernetic slaves.
Now that is a conspiracy theory, my friend.

I LOLd.
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MaxCarnage said:
It doesn't matter whether LG is happy or not; this is the course that the Illuminati mapped out for mankind after world leaders made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences shortly after WWII. Through the United Nations, which is really a puppet regime of the Illuminati designed to prepare us for contact with advanced alien lifeforms and technology, they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper so that we all become so used to having it be an integral part of our lives until we accept the idea of it being integrated biologically and the aliens can use it to turn us into mindless, cybernetic slaves.
Now that is a conspiracy theory, my friend.
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What?

I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.

jmejiaa said:
I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.
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The Nexus 4 only came to be because Google guided/forced them to make it how THEY wanted it done.
If you want to see LG's industrial design/interface go look at the Optimus G and the gazillion other LG phones which didn't sell well (In the U.S. at least).
The only thing the Nexus 4 proves is that Google can turn a phone all about the specs into something that actually looks good and has decent specs.

jmejiaa said:
I would have never considered a LG phone if it wasn't for this Nexus.
They are proving that they can build decent phones(hopefully). This will open them up to a lot of people like me who never took them seriously.
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This is what it really boils down to, I think. LG is a substantially smaller player in the smartphone game (at least in the States), and designing the flagship Android phone for Google will only help them to establish a better name for themselves in the U.S. market. Whatever loss or minimal profit there is to be had with the Nexus 4, the key is that people who might never have even considered an LG phone before are now clamoring for one. Who knows? If it's a great phone, I might become an LG fan.

Is it time for a mandatory IQ test before posting?
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enviii said:
The Nexus 4 only came to be because Google guided/forced them to make it how THEY wanted it done.
If you want to see LG's industrial design/interface go look at the Optimus G and the gazillion other LG phones which didn't sell well (In the U.S. at least).
The only thing the Nexus 4 proves is that Google can turn a phone all about the specs into something that actually looks good and has decent specs.
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Not really, the optimus G has been getting great reviews as well, but I would have never considered it.
Most likely the Nexus came to be because they came at google with the best bid and Google took them up on the bid. If samsung would have given them a better offer I'm sure they would have taken it.

jmejiaa said:
Most likely the Nexus came to be because they came at google with the best bid and Google took them up on the bid. If samsung would have given them a better offer I'm sure they would have taken it.
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Yes that is exactly how the nexus phone happened
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Wooven said:
There's a rumor on french websites about LG not very happy about the success of the N4, for various reasons:
- Not enough profit per phone and market breaker, LG set a new price standard which every high end phones can't compete, including LG Optimus G, and not so enjoyable hypothesis for future smartphones sales and profits.
- Hence its limitation for very few countries when it can easily be sold in every national Play Store with scheduled launches and good will.
It's a flagship not destined to be massively sold, just a flag.
- Carriers/Hardware suppliers/Competition (legal threats) pressure?
What do you think ?
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I think you need something better than Babelfish.
I am not sure what you are saying.

MaxCarnage said:
...they ensure that this kind of high-end tech will slowly but steadily become cheaper...
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Krugman refers to this as the Tchotchke Economy. It's been forced upon us by the elite, the so called "anointed ones".. it goes deep, too: prime ministers, Hollywood, the heads of academia, bankers. Only a select few. Could it be when you have all the power and all the money and all the lands and all the art, you have to do something new, you have to provide cheap cellphones to geeks just to spite LG?

crachel said:
Krugman refers to this as the Tchotchke Economy. It's been forced upon us by the elite, the so called "anointed ones".. it goes deep, too: prime ministers, Hollywood, the heads of academia, bankers. Only a select few. Could it be when you have all the power and all the money and all the lands and all the art, you have to do something new, you have to provide cheap cellphones to geeks just to spite LG?
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It was Krugman too who insisted that an alien invasion would be the best thing to happen to the global economy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/paul-krugman-alien-invasion_n_1609805.html
I think that we've made the final connection; the aliens are amongst us and the war of the worlds is about to begin. The catalyst: Nexus 4.

Just hypothetical questions....
If you are Samsung, how would you compete versus N4 given the very low price?
Don't you think the Android market is now less attractive for you?
Suddenly, you are now forced to come low price products...
Suddenly, you now cannot have more profits...
What's your take on this?
If N4 is being sold in the street store, with this quality and the same low price as Play Store... Who would buy SGS3? Who would buy LG OG?...
Suddenly, all other high end Android becoming unattractive... Don't you think?
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gogol said:
Just hypothetical questions....
If you are Samsung, how would you compete versus N4 given the very low price?
Don't you think the Android market is now less attractive for you?
Suddenly, you are now forced to come low price products...
Suddenly, you now cannot have more profits...
What's your take on this?
If N4 is being sold in the street store, with this quality and the same low price as Play Store... Who would buy SGS3? Who would buy LG OG?...
Suddenly, all other high end Android becoming unattractive... Don't you think?
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I think Samsung has built a fan base, similar to Apple. I can't stand whenever people talk about Android, it's all Samsung.
So I'm not worried about them not able to compete.

I also have a conspiracy that my neighbors upstairs and downstairs have sex at the same time just to annoy me.
Very relevant.

richteralan said:
I think Samsung has built a fan base, similar to Apple. I can't stand whenever people talk about Android, it's all Samsung.
So I'm not worried about them not able to compete.
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They are (1) not nearly as cultish and (2) despite what you may think, they're probably more devoted to software than the hardware. I think the immense demand for the N4 speaks volumes. Price matters, and there is no other phone that comes even remotely close at this price.

enviii said:
What?
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Seriously? If you didn't know about all of this you're blind
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Theory as to why LG is constantly out of stock, and why Google made a bad decision.

I have a theory as to why the Nexus 4 is out of stock, and for such a long time. This may or may not have been mentioned before (probably has) but I just wish to discuss it. Remember, this is purely speculation.
The reason LG has only made around 400,000 handsets and starved production was due to their own flagship, the LG Optimus G. Every single thing about this phone, is IDENTICAL to the Nexus 4, besides the fact the N4 is rocking stock stock android and the aesthetics are slightly different. The N4 has an advantage among the developer community with it being able to be torn apart and tweaked and tinkered with, unlike the OG which LG is still being a little b____ about the bootloader on many of their recent phones.
The 16GB LG Optimus G is $800 here in Australia, and the 16GB Nexus 4 is $400. You do the math.
I don't know if LG's actuaries are idiots or something, but they would have known about the guaranteed success of the next Nexus device, going on the sales figures of all the other devices. LG thought that making a tiny amount of profit on every Nexus device and in turn increasing their companies reputation in the mobile business, was worse than not making ANY profit on their CRAPBOX 3000 (LG Optimus G). I can see where they are coming from, as they don't want their spectacular flagship to be left in the dust with full stock, but zero sales so basically I think they were just chucking a cry or something.
SO DON'T HATE ON GOOGLE FOR THE LACK OF NEXUS'
What you can hate Google for, is choosing LG in the first place. Yeah, they may of felt generous and were trying to support them but at the cost of their own company getting hated? Why didn't they just buy LG like they did with Motorola, and that would be the end of it? When I heard of the new Nexus Device, I celebrating because for some reason I thought they were going to choose HTC for production (who knows why). Nek minnit, they choose some struggling company that either can't or won't keep up with production.
This may of looked like a run-out-of-the-mill rant, but this was some, high-quality, researched ranting skills to pay the bills.
Discuss.

^ not sure what you meant by high quality research as I don't see any evidence, references and all I can see is pure speculations that have been floating around in this forum since the day problems with stock started.
Do share some of your research details with us to base your ideas that has some concrete evidence of what you are assuming I'd happening and I'll gladly click thanks button under your name
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gie62001 said:
^ not sure what you meant by high quality research as I don't see any evidence, references and all I can see is pure speculations that have been floating around in this forum since the day problems with stock started.
Do share some of your research details with us to base your ideas that has some concrete evidence of what you are assuming I'd happening and I'll gladly click thanks button under your name
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Yeah he did say it was purely speculation. Whatever the reason, the lack of stocks is simply annoying.
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I fail to see how you guys can always come up with such gossip.
Google has made contracts with LG and they are producing the amount Google demanded.
Whether it was Google ordering just a tiny amount of phones, or LG can't keep up with production, due to manufacturing errors or anything else, we will never know.
Also, LG is not a bad hardware manufacturer. They do have the capability to spit out hundreds of thousand devices a month, and they've proven that they can.
For your info: devices produced in October: 75k
Devices produced in December: 400k
As you can see, they can definitely keep up with the demand, it's probably just Google ordering only tiny amounts of it.
A contract breach, as in simply not delivering the amount of phones Google demanded, would have legal consequences for them, so I guess they will be thinking twice before hampering the production.
Cheers.

Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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Nuu~ said:
I fail to see how you guys can always come up with such gossip.
Google has made contracts with LG and they are producing the amount Google demanded.
Whether it was Google ordering just a tiny amount of phones, or LG can't keep up with production, due to manufacturing errors or anything else, we will never know.
Also, LG is not a bad hardware manufacturer. They do have the capability to spit out hundreds of thousand devices a month, and they've proven that they can.
For your info: devices produced in October: 75k
Devices produced in December: 400k
As you can see, they can definitely keep up with the demand, it's probably just Google ordering only tiny amounts of it.
A contract breach, as in simply not delivering the amount of phones Google demanded, would have legal consequences for them, so I guess they will be thinking twice before hampering the production.
Cheers.
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Lol, do you think "hundreds of thousands of devices a month" is anywhere near enough for a $600 phone priced at $350? Try several millions a month.
Oh and those production numbers were just speculation (albeit a logical one). No one knows the exact numbers.

Why does everyone blame LG? Is there a valid excuse for Samsung taking forever to restock the Nexus 10?
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Good point. Google is just building the hype. If they wanted to really earn money on N4 they would behave differently.
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ed10000 said:
Lol, do you think "hundreds of thousands of devices a month" is anywhere near enough for a $600 phone priced at $350? Try several millions a month.
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Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.

I don't think LG is intentionally halting the manufacturing process, i mean they would be really stupid to do so, some of of you seem to forget that one of the biggests ways to sell is having quantity over price, if LG sells 5 million Nexus 4 that would make them a ton more money than selling 1 million Optimus G :laugh: , also it doesn't hurt that a lot more people are talking good stuff (regarding quality) about them, that could never hurt a company .
What LG did on purpose (in my opinion) was refusing to provide a 32 gb version of the phone , so if people want more storage (and LTE) they should buy the Optimus G

hundreder said:
Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I had a 2012 47" LG HDTV and the housing was actually pretty nice. They used some type of real brushed metal for the housing instead plastic made to look like brushed metal like other manufacturers. I ended up returning it for a bigger TV though.
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hundreder said:
Lg has good hardware? Hmmmm...i don't know. Have you hold Lg L9 or L7, its a pure piece of ****. Quality zero. Maybe they build good displays and parts, but housing of every device is ****y. TVs also.
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I disagree. I had a g2x and it was awesome except for the software. When is the last time you had a phone with HDMI out??? G2x had it, also was the first device with dual core.
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Nuu~ said:
Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
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Actually I've seen nexus 4, 7 and Samsung chromebook adverts in newspapers and on advertising boards on the London underground. Haven't seen any marketing for the nexus 10 though.
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Blame Google because they are paying LG and someone really messed up in projecting how many to produce.
I mean last time it was Verizon holding it back so Google had to plan better this time.
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Nuu~ said:
Yes, 400k might not be enough. But don't expect the nexus to sell like the iPhone or a Samsung galaxy. There simply is no marketing at all for the nexus. Companies like Apple and Samsung invest millions every year into marketing. Have you ever seen a nexus 4 ad other than on YouTube?
Probably not. The nexus' demographic is mostly tech enthusiasts.
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I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.

biffsmash said:
I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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I can only speak for my country, but advertising for the nexus 4 is nonexistent here.
Hell, the only nexus ad I've ever seen was for the nexus s a few years ago. On the other hand, there are Samsung and Apple ads multiple times a day.
And I know that this is the case for a lot of countries.

biffsmash said:
I'm sorry but this post is complete and utter rubbish. I have seen more adverts on telly for nexus 4 and nexus 7 than I have Samsung devices in the last month, so you cannot claim that there is no marketing at all. Get your facts straight.
Add to that the nexus adverts had me thinking it was an advert for an iPad, and Google are pretty bloody clever with their advertising.
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Which country?

rogerski1 said:
I disagree. I had a g2x and it was awesome except for the software. When is the last time you had a phone with HDMI out??? G2x had it, also was the first device with dual core.
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Yeah, but the O2X also doesn't have enough RAM, the proportions are a bit off and the spontaneous shut downs were never fully fixed. I have owned one for the past year and a half and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

draugaz said:
Which country?
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"telly" suggest the UK or somewhere there which makes sense as someone else says the "Tube" and such which is London's subway .
In the USA however, there is 0 ads on TV for the Nexus 4, there are some for the Nexus 7 but NEVER has there been one for the Nexus 4 or 10. Not even in the newspaper other than reviews and such mentioning it. Maybe that's why they don't however as they've already got tons of (positive) press here. In general, you advertise to get your name out there and build brand, once you are out there and everyone knows your name you tend to save those ad dollars.