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http://www.change.org/petitions/nvidia-useful-driver-for-tegra-2-chipset#
just thought id share it in here guys. even if you dont think its relevant to you, since you dont flash roms (which is unlikely, because you would not be in xda..lol ), still sign it ! its important stuff, especially if we want a good ics rom.
cheers
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http://www.change.org/petitions/nvidia-useful-driver-for-tegra-2-chipset#
just thought id share it in here guys. even if you dont think its relevant to you, since you dont flash roms (which is unlikely, because you would not be in xda..lol ), still sign it ! its important stuff, especially if we want a good ics rom.
cheers
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Note from Nvidia about drivers
Hello Android Development Community
We appreciate all the interest and passion surrounding the NVIDIA Tegra Platform and we take our support for the development community seriously. NVIDIA has been working with Google and Motorola to provide the open source community with the required drivers and other binary code to build full Android OS images for the Tegra 2 powered "Motorola Xoom". We expect Google to make those components available as part of the Android Open Source Project soon.
In addition, NVIDIA is working on a full release of Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) for our Tegra 2 Dual Core and Tegra 3 Quad Core reference devices to be made available early next year. This release package will comprise of binary code, drivers developed on our reference platforms and any patches necessary to ensure stability & performance with ICS. We hope the open source community can leverage this release for their work on all Tegra devices.
Andrew Edelsten
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309620
These petitions are of no use. The only option we have is to wait.
i know i know... online petitions dont accomplish anything.. but i guess im just a bit desperate.
ive seen that statement and what troubles me is that it mainly concerns xoom which is actually using a different kind of tegra2, ventenara or sth like that whereas 2x has harmony tegra 2, so if nvidia releases drivers for xoom, we wont have much use of them
i always think that Android is more powerful because it is open platform and so you can change source code and create custom rom while IOS you can't change source code and you can't modify OS. So even if you jailbreak the iPhone, there's not much you can do except unlock a few forbidden features and modify some playlists.
But then in another forum, i read this comment:
"Android will never be as powerful as Unix! iOS just scratches the surface of unix until root access allows full control. Android is just several java classes compiled into what you believe is an OS. Android will never be more than glorified embedded software....which is why it is buggy as Hell!"
I always think Android can do things IOS can't via custom ROMS, mods, but his comment suggests otherwise. I am a tech noob, can the Masters out there help me a bit? Thanks
No.
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A)this has nothing to do with the note so shouldnt be here
B)considering android is a linux based os and linux is based unix i really dont see where the quote is coming from. And without defining what you mean by powerful no one can help
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iOS merely seems more powerful and stable simply because it is like custom software tailored to custom hardware. It is designed to work with specific internal hardware. Android, on the other hand, has to work with a myriad of generic devices and thus cannot be as optimized as Ios. That is why android devices must have higher specs and be more powerful than the iphone in order to compete with the efficiency of apple's os (brute force vs efficiency).
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Its never been and it will never be.
And Its not the right forum to asking for the comparision. I think. Ask in Android or IOS forums. They will answer your questions in better way.
Raymond Chong said:
i always think that Android is more powerful because it is open platform and so you can change source code and create custom rom while IOS you can't change source code and you can't modify OS. So even if you jailbreak the iPhone, there's not much you can do except unlock a few forbidden features and modify some playlists.
But then in another forum, i read this comment:
"Android will never be as powerful as Unix! iOS just scratches the surface of unix until root access allows full control. Android is just several java classes compiled into what you believe is an OS. Android will never be more than glorified embedded software....which is why it is buggy as Hell!"
I always think Android can do things IOS can't via custom ROMS, mods, but his comment suggests otherwise. I am a tech noob, can the Masters out there help me a bit? Thanks
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You have a note and you are wondering whether ios is more powerful than android?? It's a sad day for humankind!
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I feel like ios is stable than android
But coming to features,android is far better than ios
Android is totally customizable
I feel android is stable enough for my(every android user) use and so why ios??
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i always think that Android is more powerful because it is open platform and so you can change source code and create custom rom while IOS you can't change source code and you can't modify OS. So even if you jailbreak the iPhone, there's not much you can do except unlock a few forbidden features and modify some playlists.
But then in another forum, i read this comment:
"Android will never be as powerful as Unix! iOS just scratches the surface of unix until root access allows full control. Android is just several java classes compiled into what you believe is an OS. Android will never be more than glorified embedded software....which is why it is buggy as Hell!"
I always think Android can do things IOS can't via custom ROMS, mods, but his comment suggests otherwise. I am a tech noob, can the Masters out there help me a bit? Thanks
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damn! you've been watching too many scifi movies haven't you?
your confused my young 'padawan' friend.... the dark side clouds everything in you.. The fear of doubt leads to the dark side my young padawan friend... cloud your mind do not...
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Go to an iOS forum, and ask the same question and see the reply you get. 99% of responses will be just the opposite of
the ones here.
Thread heading no where, Closed and Thank you.
I see people say that you should not use Android Studio as your only IDE. I have tried searching on Google to see if you can sign / publish via Android Studio but I'm having trouble finding the answer.
Is it possible to use only Android Studio to fully code and publish an app? What problems are there with Android Studio?
Well for starters android studio isn't even 1.0 yet. It is heavily in beta and not exactly stable yet.
Eclipse is often recommended because it has a ton of documentation. Most tutorials will talk about eclipse.
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ryan.dawkins said:
Well for starters android studio isn't even 1.0 yet. It is heavily in beta and not exactly stable yet.
Eclipse is often recommended because it has a ton of documentation. Most tutorials will talk about eclipse.
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Right. But what are the actual issues with it? Just being in beta doesn't really say much. Gmail was in beta for almost a decade.
I use Android Studio since it's been released. For simple app development, what i use for, it's good enough. You can build signed APK's. However there are always some bugs, but stackowerflow always knows the solution. I had some problems when importing from eclipse, i recommend to open a new project and copy the sourcefiles for full compatibility. I think Android Studio is better than eclipse!
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I use Android Studio since it's been released. For simple app development, what i use for, it's good enough. You can build signed APK's. However there are always some bugs, but stackowerflow always knows the solution. I had some problems when importing from eclipse, i recommend to open a new project and copy the sourcefiles for full compatibility. I think Android Studio is better than eclipse!
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Thank you. What kind of bugs were there? I'm interested to know the limitations.
Good recommendation. I'll start a fresh project and copy in my java files.
Paul22000 said:
Thank you. What kind of bugs were there? I'm interested to know the limitations.
Good recommendation. I'll start a fresh project and copy in my java files.
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So far I've used Eclipse, but for my next project I'm going to try Android Studio as well, mainly because of its much easier gradle built system so that you can create multiple versions easily. I feel that gradle, the only major difference between the two IDEs, is a bit complicated to get started but can give great results once fully understood...
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So far I've used Eclipse, but for my next project I'm going to try Android Studio as well, mainly because of its much easier gradle built system so that you can create multiple versions easily. I feel that gradle, the only major difference between the two IDEs, is a bit complicated to get started but can give great results once fully understood...
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I haven't heard of gradle. I just Googled it and saw that it is automated deployment builds for your app. Hmm, it certainly does sound confusing.
Don't know how much of regular-Java (not android) development You do - but for me personally the best IDE is the JetBrains IntelliJ (no - I'm not their employee ) - the base for Android Studio. If You look at the basic level both Eclipse / IntelliJ have pretty much the same functions - however the latter one does lots of stuff more intelligently (I'm in love with refactoring shortcuts ). I would also expect that Android Studio will be a bit more stable than Eclipse (I used to overkill it with too many plugins).
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Don't know how much of regular-Java (not android) development You do - but for me personally the best IDE is the JetBrains IntelliJ (no - I'm not their employee ) - the base for Android Studio. If You look at the basic level both Eclipse / IntelliJ have pretty much the same functions - however the latter one does lots of stuff more intelligently (I'm in love with refactoring shortcuts ). I would also expect that Android Studio will be a bit more stable than Eclipse (I used to overkill it with too many plugins).
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Interesting. I'll have to check that out. I wonder why IntelliJ isn't used more for Android Development.
Paul22000 said:
Interesting. I'll have to check that out. I wonder why IntelliJ isn't used more for Android Development.
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Hi Paul,
AndroidStudio is built using IntelliJ. I'm very new to android development (started out a month ago after almost 2 years on the xda forums decided it was time to embark!) I've been using it from the start, i have eclipse to make sure its android studio that causes any bugs instead of my code. However seasoned developers obviously don't need this back-up plan!
Hope this helps.
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Hi Paul,
AndroidStudio is built using IntelliJ. I'm very new to android development (started out a month ago after almost 2 years on the xda forums decided it was time to embark!) I've been using it from the start, i have eclipse to make sure its android studio that causes any bugs instead of my code. However seasoned developers obviously don't need this back-up plan!
Hope this helps.
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You are using Android Studio or IntelliJ? So far what bugs have you encountered that were caused by the IDE and not your code?
I've been using Android Studio as my exclusive IDE and i love it. Way better than Eclipse in my opinion.
It's a beta, but i haven't found any dealbreaker yet. Some errors have appeared (non intrusively, just a popup on the top right), but they haven't affected my workflow.
It is perfectly usable to code, compile (debug and release), sign the apks and use proguard if you want. You just need to come to grips with gradle, at least on a basic level (as i have). All the build process is managed via gradle, so Android Studio doesn't get in the way.
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It is perfectly usable to code, compile (debug and release), sign the apks and use proguard if you want.
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Ahh, great to hear!
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You are using Android Studio or IntelliJ? So far what bugs have you encountered that were caused by the IDE and not your code?
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Using Android Studio.
Bug wise i've not encountered many, One rather annoying one for me was that it is irritatingly long-winded to change your minSDKversion in AS. its no just a simple case of changing the manifest file. The actualy app developers out there will know what your developing for already, me as a beginner did not and it took me the best part of an hour googling and trying things to get it to change from api7 to api14.
I'm currently still embarking on my own reading through tutorials etc and its slow going. My aim (In case anyone is interested) is to develop a stable DAW (digital audio workstation) for android. with the ability to add notes (similar to soundcloud) and cloud backup (via dropbox hopefully unless googleDrive is the more stable connection.. working on it!) So i've had no end of strangle cod bugs crop up. But from what i can see, all others have been through my bad coding / lack of knowledge!
I'll update you with any other quirks i find along the way!
Bassbase said:
Using Android Studio.
Bug wise i've not encountered many, One rather annoying one for me was that it is irritatingly long-winded to change your minSDKversion in AS. its no just a simple case of changing the manifest file. The actualy app developers out there will know what your developing for already, me as a beginner did not and it took me the best part of an hour googling and trying things to get it to change from api7 to api14.
I'm currently still embarking on my own reading through tutorials etc and its slow going. My aim (In case anyone is interested) is to develop a stable DAW (digital audio workstation) for android. with the ability to add notes (similar to soundcloud) and cloud backup (via dropbox hopefully unless googleDrive is the more stable connection.. working on it!) So i've had no end of strangle cod bugs crop up. But from what i can see, all others have been through my bad coding / lack of knowledge!
I'll update you with any other quirks i find along the way!
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Good to know about changing the api version, thank you. I appreciate you sharing your experiences.
I'm using Eclipse exclusively. I'll use Android Studio but the time it reaches version 1.1.
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Right. But what are the actual issues with it? Just being in beta doesn't really say much. Gmail was in beta for almost a decade.
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The main issue is no NDK support, the rest is now pretty much on-par with Eclipse feature-wise.
I've been using AS exclusively since about 2 weeks after the I/O and I really haven't looked back since. The refactoring options and code inspection is so much more thorough and well-though than on Eclipse, plus the UI (with the Darcula theme) is really a lot nicer to work with and enjoyable to use than the kinda of outdated look of Eclipse.
I only go back to Eclipse when I need to compile native code or projects which contain native code.
Once you get used to gradle it's really a pleasure, just give it some time.
EDIT: NDK support was recently added
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The main issue is no NDK support, the rest is now pretty much on-par with Eclipse feature-wise.
I've been using AS exclusively since about 2 weeks after the I/O and I really haven't looked back since. The refactoring options and code inspection is so much more thorough and well-though than on Eclipse, plus the UI (with the Darcula theme) is really a lot nicer to work with and enjoyable to use than the kinda of outdated look of Eclipse.
I only go back to Eclipse when I need to compile native code or projects which contain native code.
Once you get used to gradle it's really a pleasure, just give it some time.
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Ah the NDK. I think that seals the deal. I don't use the NDK nor am I planning to so it seems there is really no reason for (most) people to use Eclipse.
does anyone know when version 1 will be released?
Same, only using Android Studio.
It's great really, just takes a long time opening. But hey, it's not like Eclipse was such a performance beast.
Just make sure you get the latest builds (they release an update every week).
I'm not talking about phones getting better hardware (cpu, gpu, ram) I'm talking about Android getting better and faster. Let's face it, iOS is better when we talk about speed, iPhone has double lower specs and it still runs so fast and fluid. My question is will Android ever gonna be fast like that. What do you think?
I think it is going to happen. Because latest version of Android is launching. I have found that updated version of Android is more faster than previous version.
Nah, I know I sound like an Android hater but lets face it. Android is an open-source OS and most smartphones run it. iOS is fast because it's only optimized for 3 devices, iPhone, iPad and thr iPod Touch. Android can only succeed if only it was only optimized for a few popular brands, perhaps. (talking about Samsung/HTC/SONY/LG). Other than that, both are great OS' in different ways.
No.
Because in order for Android to be 'faster like iOS', it would need to sacrifice customization, multitasking and it would have to become a closed system.
I'll gladly take the occasional stutter if it gives me the ability to use custom launchers, icons, lockscreens, xposed and roms, as well as use several apps actively at once.
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I think so android has come a long way
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I think the answer is yes, but only once ART gets implemented by default. I've used it in the developer options and it does improve the performance but it's also not quite ready for prime time.
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I think the answer is yes, but only once ART gets implemented by default. I've used it in the developer options and it does improve the performance but it's also not quite ready for prime time.
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5.0 uses ART instead of Dalvik.. That's why Xposed doesn't work on Lollipop.
It's ready and it's here. Have a read: http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-5.0-changes.html
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yes
Android it's getting bigger and better everyday. iOS seems to stagnate imho, so my answer is Yes
here we go again, the main problem with androids ain´t the android itself, its either hardware or drivers
and untill 5.0, the lack of multi threaded render(this is more important than ART when it comes to overall fluidity of the system)
I think the problem lies in android code itself. We have the hardware but the software cant support it.
Even nexus devices lag after sometime so I guess the software is at fault here..
If you want to discuss anything iOS please go to a different site....
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Hey Guys Kyuubi10 here again.
I had a thought on my head and couldn't help but share to see if people have the same views as me.
I am currently disappointed with phones, tablets and computers...both on a hardware level and on a software level.
While I do see technology getting better each year I have a feeling that we are currently stuck in a cycle which the major companies are unwilling to break.
Let me go deeper into detail. But to make this thought comprehensive to most people I'll try to organise it by topic.
Software:
Most developers nowadays have a huge disregard for code efficiency, and as such the advancement into making code more efficient has slowed almost to a halt. Because our devices are becoming each day more powerful, developers don't care anymore about creating applications which don't consume RAM, nor applications which are bug-free on release.
Instead buggy applications are released, which consume loads of RAM, because a future update will fix bugs, and devices will get better and have more RAM.
Thus new and inexperienced developers are not being taught the value in making an efficient program.
And this annoys me.
This brings me to Java, and Android. While I love android and what it stands for, the fact that it still runs mostly on Java annoys me. Java being hated by most developers, and being seen as a backward step in the development world is one of the major programming languages in today's world.
Google, being a great company should set up an institution made to further programming standards, and through such institution it should begin laying the foundations for a new programming language to be used with Android.and it's focus should be efficiency.
Also, highly disappointed in the progress of Windows 10. Mentioned to be a revolutionary step for Windows....yet it is simply a reworked GUI for Windows 8. It still even has the charms!!! All that was done was to make Windows store apps open within windows rather than fullscreen, and fixed a couple bugs. Oh yeh, and Cortana...which seems more like a spy than a virtual assistant. It actually refuses to work unless you let it monitor your location. Why does it need so much info?
Microsoft Edge feels like a beta testing version. I thought that they would at least incorporate some Internet Explorer functionality to Edge. But it is not even recognized as a browser by certain websites. At this moment in time IE is still better than the "revolutionary" Edge.
You are still better off with Firefox or Chrome.
On the Linux side of things...it still annoys me that there is very little support for Linux. But that has enough complaints on the internet to make its own case, I'll avoid repeating everything all over again.
Instead I'll make a complaint about Android. Why is almost no-one building an android port which works well as a desktop OS?
Why are we still limited between OSX, Windows and Linux (which has little support)?
Android has been around long enough...but very few people are making an effort in creating a fully functional version of android for desktop.
The way I see it is that Android is based on Linux...it should contribute back to the Linux community. Someone should use a well established Linux distro and mix it with Android. If their runtimes are incompatible then a technology such as CoLinux or UML could be used to run both at the same time. While also using KSM to keep RAM consumption to a minimum.
This could be well supported by Google (Now Alphabet), and the community.
Hardware:
While the development of CPUs is going strong, with Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm and MediaTek trying to best each other...Other things aren't doing quite as well. Especially RAM. This mostly being the fault of OEMs, trying to keep costs as low as possible while squeezing every cent from their customers.
This is highly noticeable when you get Tablets which are up to 4x bigger than a phone and have the same amount of RAM as a phone. This kills multitasking abilities in our modern day devices.
We already have 64-bit CPU chips...why isn't it yet common for our devices to have 4GB+ of RAM? Asus showed that it's possible with its Zenfone 2.
How long will it take other OEMs to follow suit? The progress in this area has been too slow over the years.
Again, especially for tablets. Those things should have been reaching 6GB or more within 2014 and 2015. We definitely have the technology to do it.
While for desktop and laptops I'd love to see qualcomm and Nvidia to step up into this market with their ARM based chips.
It would be interesting to see a mix of Dedicated graphics interacting with an ARM CPU...I wonder if that is possible.
But the advantages of ARM chips are undeniable...They have even started to appear into the server market, and yet nothing for personal PCs. This is sad. The battery reduction, heat reduction achieved by such chips would make computers so much more powerful. But advances in this area are also moving foward too slowly even though we already have the technology to do it.
Security
But this annoys me most of all. The lack of focus about security.
While technology increases, it seems that no one is worrying about the security of new devices etc...
I mean, if someone stole my smartwatch all they would have to do is reset it and they could connect it to their smartphone as if I had never owned it.
That breaks my heart.
How hard is it to create a pair of symmetrical encryption keys, or 2 pairs of asymmetrical ones (if you want to be paranoid), in order to make sure that the smartwatch works only with that specific smartphone which has the correct keys.
This would also mean that if the owner wanted to use a second device to connect to their smartwatch it would be fine and safe as long as they have the correct keys. Thus improve functionality and safety with one blow.
With a whole load of smart devices being offered currently and very few of them have any security whatsoever! It annoys me deeply.
Obviously there are other security issues all of which have already been extensively discussed, such as encryption while surfing the web as default, efficiency of current standards etc...
As a solution I believe that the major tech companies in the world should get together and make a consortium with the purpose of advancing technology.
The idea is that once a new technology/protocol/standard is introduced by one of these companies then the others test it extensively, and if it is found to improve current technology they all adopt it. Because the main issue is that while many solutions exist, they are not wide spread because most companies don't use these solutions.
But if the most significant companies in the tech industry lead the way by using the new technologies, then by default the other smaller companies will follow.
But such a consortium needs to exist in order to avoid useless competition.
Competition is good when it is a force to improve current standards, not when it isolates another company's improvements by rejecting their solutions.
I agree with most of your points but I have to disagree in regards to Windows 10. As Microsoft explained it will be continuously improved. I think with Win 10 they finally listen to its customers (more than 90% satisfied). In my opinion 10 is far, faaar better then 8 and I think its developing is going into the right direction.
As this is about more than smartphones... And not about anything in specific... I'm moving this to the off topic section. :good:
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As this is about more than smartphones... And not about anything in specific... I'm moving this to the off topic section. :good:
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markdc said:
I agree with most of your points but I have to disagree in regards to Windows 10. As Microsoft explained it will be continuously improved. I think with Win 10 they finally listen to its customers (more than 90% satisfied). In my opinion 10 is far, faaar better then 8 and I think its developing is going into the right direction.
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True, you bring a good point. But this comes back to what I said that developers now are not worried about bringing a great product into the market, they bring an unfinished project which will then be updated as time goes on.
In fact what people are happy about Windows 10 is more due to the GUI changes. (No full screen apps, start button is back where it belongs.)
While my complaint comes more from the fact that they took a really long time to build Windows 10, and it still is Windows 8 with a different GUI. Which makes me think, what did they do with the huge time they took developing it?
Personally, I liked Windows 8... Yes it had its flaws, but it was revolutionary. It was magnitudes faster than Windows 7, albeit it had many glitches. But those were ironed out with 8.1.
It was Microsoft's first attempt at merging their mobile OS to their Desktop one. And to me this was a great idea, and improvement.
Windows 10 on the other hand doesn't feel as revolutionary as they claimed, from a technical perspective. Yes from a business perspective, it is something new, but not the software itself.
Can you see my argument?
But you are right, and I agree with you in the fact that it is moving in the right direction. I hope that Microsoft's push to mix a mobile OS and a desktop OS will inspire Google to do the same to its Android OS.
Chrome OS just doesn't truly feel like a proper OS.