I have used the Droid, Ally, Galaxy S, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Droid X and many other Android devices without this problem. This phone is different. Android OS has been taking up 25-30% of my batter with everything I do. Complete restore, update, custom roms, etc, nothing works. I averaged on my other devices well under 10% of my battery being used for Android OS, but this one uses a crazy insane amount and my battery is dead in 7 hours on 3g only mode! What's the deal?
That is a lot. The most i have seen is like 10%.
I only have 4.5 hours of uptime right now, but mine shows 4%.
4% here.
You have something installed that's using the "os", or some app that relies on a service that is now gone.
if Android OS is that high then you're basically doing nothing with your phone.
Try watching a NetFlix video for an hour, or else playing a game, etc.
You have to realize that your phone never actually turns off (else you'd never receive phone calls ) so that the OS has to be running.
If you're doing nothing, just letting the phone sit there idle, then of the 5% of the battery that you let it take up while you were waiting to see if it went down, 30% of it was consumed by the Android OS. It makes sense if nothing is being used that hte OS itself will be the largest user of battery, b/c, as I mentioned, the OS is still running, even if in sleep mode.
And, TBH, it actually made more sense that the old way of reporting Cell Standby was taking up 'so much' battery - b/c if the phone is idle, then I expect that the phone call monitoring aspects of the OS would take the greatest amount of battery, b/c nothing else is using the battery.
You have to take what you see in battery usage with a grain of salt. If you're not using your phone and you see a 3rd party app taking up 40% then you have something to worry about. If the OS itself is taking up that sort of percentage, it means nothing else was running ot take up the battery.
I agree with John that non-use will cause OS to seem abnormally high.
However, your 7 hours of battery life is terrible:
If you are having short battery life here’s a list of things that can help. Just read through the list and select the items that fit with the way you want to use your phone. Not all items will work for everyone and this list was written for the Droid Bionic but should work for your phone too:
- Don't use an automatic task killer--not even the one that comes with the phone. Reboot your phone and look at what's running. If anything that you've installed is running and there's no reason for it, then uninstall it and find an alternative that behaves. Ignore any stock apps that run on boot as I've found them to be more or less benign.
- Weather widgets, live wallpapers, news/social feeds, any app or service that you use that runs--do without it if you can. If you can’t do without it, lengthen it’s refresh time.
- Don't use antivirus
- Set your WIFI sleep policy to never. The default is "turn off when screen turns off". This will cause the wifi to reconnect every time you open the phone. From any Home Screen select Menu/Settings/Wireless & Networks/ and then use the Menu button to see some new options - select Advanced. Then select Wifi Sleep Policy and set it to Never. Home key to return to Home Screen.
- If you have access to wifi, leave it toggled on as it is more efficient than 3G. Wifi consumes less battery power than 3G.
- I leave GPS toggled on too by the way. Apps use it as needed. When I'm done with Maps or an app that uses it, I'm sure to return to the home screen so GPS can stop. Under wireless settings turn on "Google location services" so that an app is able to use network resources to get your location instead of GPS. I have "VZW location services" turned off--don't know why that option is even there. By the way, I increase the speed of voice output > text to speech > speech rate because I like the directions to get spit out faster. That saves a bit of battery. Turning off the display and just listening for directions help. Also, often I just get the directions and then exit back to the home screen: GPS uses so much battery I try to get it over with ASAP.
- When you get a 1) new battery, 2) do a factory reset, or 3) an OS upgrade - run your battery all the way down until the phone shuts off and then charge the battery all the way up. This will calibrate the phone's understanding of the battery's capacity. Do this once every month or two also, but don't do it too often if you can help it.
- I have my battery set to "Performance Mode" and data is on all the time because I am on call 24x7. If you don't mind, try out a more conservative battery profile to save more gobs of energy.
- Set screen brightness to "Automatic"
- Under Accounts, click on any account listed and turn off sync for any items that you're not interested in syncing. For example, Google Books if you don't use it. Don't use Backup Assistant--I prefer syncing my contacts with Google. You don't need both. Also go into your contacts > menu > display options > backup assistant > UNCHECK. Also do contacts > menu > more > settings > contact storage > and select your Google account and "remember this choice"
- Turn on Bluetooth only when you are going to use it.
- Consider turning off voice privacy. This may not be a big deal but it will save some processing (and therefore battery). It may also improve call quality.
-Turn off haptic feedback, animations, and any un-needed sounds in Android settings and in your apps
- Set your screen timeout to as low a time as you can stand (I use 1 minute) and manually turn the screen off when you’ve finished using the phone.
- Turn off in-pocket detection. In-Pocket Detection has been the source of many issues already.
- Keyboard: turn off vibrate on key press and sounds for any keyboards you use
- Use a red or black screen background. On the original Droid screen--not sure about this Bionic screen--red was the most efficient color that could be displayed.
- Camera app: I like keeping location on and flash on auto. Consider turning location off or at least returning to the home screen ASAP when using camera if location for camera is on.
- In stock browser the default home page is Google and it uses your location. This is a bad idea as it can waste your battery for no reason. Make something else your home page and make sure to close any web page that uses your location when you're done viewing it.
- Charge your phone via the wall charger instead of computer USB as it is faster. Also, don't use long USB cords--use regular power extension cords instead. I stick with the charger that came with the phone. Put the phone on charger when you go to bed every night.
- Consider install the Home Replacement app Zeam. It is basic app that uses very few resources and will help with battery power.
- Emails: I don't know what email app you use, but try this. It saves battery power and in some cases emails arrive quicker. This scheme will have you using only the Gmail app on the phone for all email accounts whether they are pop3 accounts or Gmail.
- If you are using Live Wall Papers, stop!
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This is a link to some very good videos about saving battery power on the Bionic (there are 4 parts and the other parts will show up as available videos when part 1 finishes):
Battery Saving Video
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cvWg7SbUgsI
If battery life is still bad: Consider doing a factory reset: These have gotten pretty painless lately by following these simple steps: 1. Make sure Backup and Restore are checked in the Privacy setting. 2. When going through the setup after the reset, turn on wifi as soon as you can (assuming it is available). 3. After you have entered your Gmail account info, you will be presented with a screen that has two check boxes. Basically they are "Do you want Google to backup and restore this phone”. Make sure you check both of those. Your apps will then automatically reinstall (paid and free). Set the phone aside for a minute or two and let the apps download and install. 3. If rooted, use an app such as titanium backup to restore data only to select apps such as Tapatalk and you will not have to re-enter all your login information. I do this for 3-4 apps (Tapatalk, SPB Shell, etc.).
I've been flashing new roms/updates about once per day lately and I can be up and running with all my apps and settings back in place in less than 20 minutes. It's pretty painless now.
When I first bought my Bionic, it was eating up battery like crazy. After 2 replacements phones, I found out that some Bionic's were having an issues with Draining battery. My 3rd Bionic is great. On my original Bionic, it would take me 2 extended batteries and still could not make it through day under moderate use. Now, 1 extended battery will last me all day with heavy use.
There are some faulty Bionic's out there. It was even mentioned on Droid-Life. I think the original one they tested had issues with battery drainning really fast.
Geezer Squid said:
I agree with John that non-use will cause OS to seem abnormally high.
However, your 7 hours of battery life is terrible:
If you are having short battery life here’s a list of things that can help. Just read through the list and select the items that fit with the way you want to use your phone. Not all items will work for everyone and this list was written for the Droid Bionic but should work for your phone too:
- Don't use an automatic task killer--not even the one that comes with the phone. Reboot your phone and look at what's running. If anything that you've installed is running and there's no reason for it, then uninstall it and find an alternative that behaves. Ignore any stock apps that run on boot as I've found them to be more or less benign.
- Weather widgets, live wallpapers, news/social feeds, any app or service that you use that runs--do without it if you can. If you can’t do without it, lengthen it’s refresh time.
- Don't use antivirus
- Set your WIFI sleep policy to never. The default is "turn off when screen turns off". This will cause the wifi to reconnect every time you open the phone. From any Home Screen select Menu/Settings/Wireless & Networks/ and then use the Menu button to see some new options - select Advanced. Then select Wifi Sleep Policy and set it to Never. Home key to return to Home Screen.
- If you have access to wifi, leave it toggled on as it is more efficient than 3G. Wifi consumes less battery power than 3G.
- I leave GPS toggled on too by the way. Apps use it as needed. When I'm done with Maps or an app that uses it, I'm sure to return to the home screen so GPS can stop. Under wireless settings turn on "Google location services" so that an app is able to use network resources to get your location instead of GPS. I have "VZW location services" turned off--don't know why that option is even there. By the way, I increase the speed of voice output > text to speech > speech rate because I like the directions to get spit out faster. That saves a bit of battery. Turning off the display and just listening for directions help. Also, often I just get the directions and then exit back to the home screen: GPS uses so much battery I try to get it over with ASAP.
- When you get a 1) new battery, 2) do a factory reset, or 3) an OS upgrade - run your battery all the way down until the phone shuts off and then charge the battery all the way up. This will calibrate the phone's understanding of the battery's capacity. Do this once every month or two also, but don't do it too often if you can help it.
- I have my battery set to "Performance Mode" and data is on all the time because I am on call 24x7. If you don't mind, try out a more conservative battery profile to save more gobs of energy.
- Set screen brightness to "Automatic"
- Under Accounts, click on any account listed and turn off sync for any items that you're not interested in syncing. For example, Google Books if you don't use it. Don't use Backup Assistant--I prefer syncing my contacts with Google. You don't need both. Also go into your contacts > menu > display options > backup assistant > UNCHECK. Also do contacts > menu > more > settings > contact storage > and select your Google account and "remember this choice"
- Turn on Bluetooth only when you are going to use it.
- Consider turning off voice privacy. This may not be a big deal but it will save some processing (and therefore battery). It may also improve call quality.
-Turn off haptic feedback, animations, and any un-needed sounds in Android settings and in your apps
- Set your screen timeout to as low a time as you can stand (I use 1 minute) and manually turn the screen off when you’ve finished using the phone.
- Turn off in-pocket detection. In-Pocket Detection has been the source of many issues already.
- Keyboard: turn off vibrate on key press and sounds for any keyboards you use
- Use a red or black screen background. On the original Droid screen--not sure about this Bionic screen--red was the most efficient color that could be displayed.
- Camera app: I like keeping location on and flash on auto. Consider turning location off or at least returning to the home screen ASAP when using camera if location for camera is on.
- In stock browser the default home page is Google and it uses your location. This is a bad idea as it can waste your battery for no reason. Make something else your home page and make sure to close any web page that uses your location when you're done viewing it.
- Charge your phone via the wall charger instead of computer USB as it is faster. Also, don't use long USB cords--use regular power extension cords instead. I stick with the charger that came with the phone. Put the phone on charger when you go to bed every night.
- Consider install the Home Replacement app Zeam. It is basic app that uses very few resources and will help with battery power.
- Emails: I don't know what email app you use, but try this. It saves battery power and in some cases emails arrive quicker. This scheme will have you using only the Gmail app on the phone for all email accounts whether they are pop3 accounts or Gmail.
- If you are using Live Wall Papers, stop!
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This is a link to some very good videos about saving battery power on the Bionic (there are 4 parts and the other parts will show up as available videos when part 1 finishes):
Battery Saving Video
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cvWg7SbUgsI
If battery life is still bad: Consider doing a factory reset: These have gotten pretty painless lately by following these simple steps: 1. Make sure Backup and Restore are checked in the Privacy setting. 2. When going through the setup after the reset, turn on wifi as soon as you can (assuming it is available). 3. After you have entered your Gmail account info, you will be presented with a screen that has two check boxes. Basically they are "Do you want Google to backup and restore this phone”. Make sure you check both of those. Your apps will then automatically reinstall (paid and free). Set the phone aside for a minute or two and let the apps download and install. 3. If rooted, use an app such as titanium backup to restore data only to select apps such as Tapatalk and you will not have to re-enter all your login information. I do this for 3-4 apps (Tapatalk, SPB Shell, etc.).
I've been flashing new roms/updates about once per day lately and I can be up and running with all my apps and settings back in place in less than 20 minutes. It's pretty painless now.
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Good points.
Juroid said:
When I first bought my Bionic, it was eating up battery like crazy. After 2 replacements phones, I found out that some Bionic's were having an issues with Draining battery. My 3rd Bionic is great. On my original Bionic, it would take me 2 extended batteries and still could not make it through day under moderate use. Now, 1 extended battery will last me all day with heavy use.
There are some faulty Bionic's out there. It was even mentioned on Droid-Life. I think the original one they tested had issues with battery draining really fast.
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That is weird. I wonder....could it be due to actual batteries as opposed to the phones?
But in the OP's case, I doubt it - it would be too coincidental that his battery were to fail right as he applied the update.
@OP - you might also try conditioning the battery, fully charging and then running it down a couple of times and seeing if it stabilizes. It might have to do with the update wiping the stored battery stats (long shot, I know, but still)?
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ANYONE USING THIS [email protected]$$ ROM, YOU'RE INPUT IS VALUABLE.
It seems some are having the problem and some are not. I think for a community as strong as we are, it should NOT be too hard to figure this out.
**If you are having battery issues, please post anything you have done to you're phone that is not standard in the ROM. (i.e. Apps you've downed, mods you have done, etc)
**If you are not having issues, look over these lists and verify, by saying "Nope, it's not that app/mod because I've done that and am not having issues"
Just to set a standard, if you are seeing 12-18 hours on standard battery with moderate to high usage, you are NOT having a battery issue... This device is dual core, 4g, miniature computing giant.
If you, like many of us, are seeing >10% an hour with no usage (i.e. Battery dead in 7-9 hours), you do have a battery issue.
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I am having the problem.
My list;
Google music beta
Stock hotspot database hack
Titanium back up
Ever note
xScope browser
Edit, I'm on 1.4 and have done the battery calibrations.
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Contributing
I'm experiencing this issue as well. I am running UNL3ASH3D v1.4 with the following modifications:
BLACK SWYPE/GMAIL (although the black gmail didn't work with mod like it did with v1.3. Swype is black though and working just fine. just a side note.)
I've reflashed v1.4 at 100% battery after wiping cache, dalvik, and system /system followed by a RESET of battery stats last night around 1am CST.
Hope this helps. I will try to follow this thread to contribute as much as I can.
I was getting 15% an hour on standby...But I ran the calibration, and now im getting 12 to 14 hours with normal usage.
I will say this to people...In the beginning, whenever I tried the calibration, it wouldn't do anything. After trying a few times, I noticed that after I did teh calibration, I had to wait about 2 to 3 days, til I noticed an increase in performance. Not sure if others saw this...
I went back to debloated rom. My battery drain was bad on extended battery. Now its back to getting all day moderate to heavy use and still have 30% or so before nighttime charge.
Rom is sick dont get me wrong. Something is just not right with the battery stat.
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I am on UNL3ASH3D 1.4 and I have the extended battery. After a day of moderate to heavy use I had 60% left at 11PM last night. My battery life is excellent. Here's the advice from NoBloatware (at DF) that I followed:
consider doing a factory reset. Do not sync apps, wifi connections, etc. with Google services as that may cause a problem. Install all apps and wifi connections from scratch. A bit of a pain, but not too bad.- install a home/launcher replacement. I use Go Launcher EX, which is free, and I love it. No reason not to try out an alternative launcher as you can always go back to how you had it.
- don't use an automatic task killer--not even the one that comes with the phone. Reboot your phone and look at what's running. If anything that you've installed is running and there's no reason for it, then uninstall it and find an alternative that behaves. Ignore any stock apps that run on boot as I've found them to be more or less benign.
- weather widgets, live wallpapers, news/social feeds, any app or service that you use that runs--do without it if you can.
- don't use antivirus
- the DLNA app pops up a dialog box that will set your WIFI sleep policy to never. The default is "turn off when screen turns off" and I personally think that this setting is the best thing for battery life. Under wifi settings view your connections then hit menu to see "Advanced options" where you can set the sleep policy
- if you have access to wifi, leave it toggled on as it is more efficient than 3G. This is different from the sleep policy.
- I leave GPS toggled on too by the way. Apps use it as needed. When I'm done with Maps or an app that uses it, I'm sure to return to the home screen so GPS can stop. Under wireless settings turn on "Google location services" so that an app is able to use network resources to get your location instead of GPS. I have "VZW location services" turned off--don't know why that option is even there. By the way, I increase the speed of voice output > text to speech > speech rate because I like the directions to get spit out faster. That saves a bit of battery. Turning off the display and just listening for directions help. Also, often I just get the directions and then exit back to the home screen: GPS uses so much battery I try to get it over with ASAP.
- when you get a new battery, do a factory reset, or an OS upgrade run your battery all the way down until the phone shuts off and then charge the battery all the way up. This will callibrate the phone's understanding of the battery's capacity. Do this once every month or two also, but don't do it too often if you can help it.
- I have my battery set to "Performance Mode" and data is on all the time because I am on call 24x7. If you don't mind, try out a more conservative battery profile to save more gobs of energy.
- set screen brightness to "Automatic"
- under Accounts, click on any account listed and turn off sync for any items that you're not interested in syncing. For example, Google Books if you don't use it. Don't use Backup Assistant--I prefer syncing my contacts with Google. You don't need both. Also go into your contacts > menu > display options > backup assistant > UNCHECK. Also do contacts > menu > more > settings > contact storage > and select your Google account and "remember this choice"
- if you never use bluetooth then toggle it off. If you do use it sometimes, it's fine to leave it toggled on all the time.
- consider turning off voice privacy. This may not be a big deal but it will save some processing (and therefore battery). It may also improve call quality.
- turn off haptic feedback, animations, and any un-needed sounds in Android settings and in your apps
- set your screen timeout to as low a time as you can stand (I use 1 minute) and manually turn the screen off when you're done using the phone. I use an app to lock the screen so I don't wear out my power button...as happened on my original droid.
- turn off in-pocket detection
- keyboard: turn off vibrate on keypress and sounds for any keyboards you use
- use a red screen background. On the original Droid screen--not sure about this Droid 3 screen--red was the most efficient color that could be displayed. Anyone know if this still holds true?
- camera app: i like keeping location on and flash on auto. Consider turning location off or at least returning to the home screen ASAP when using camera if location for camera is on.
- in stock browser the default home page is Google and it uses your location. This is a bad idea as it can waste your battery for no reason. Make something else your home page and make sure to close any web page that uses your location when you're done viewing it.
- charge your phone via the wall charger instead of computer USB as it is faster. Also, don't use long USB cords--use regular power extension cords instead. I stick with the charger that came with the phone.
In addition to those suggestions I also do the following:
1. Emails: I don't know what email app you use, but try this. It saves battery power and in some cases emails arrive quicker. This scheme will have you using only the Gmail app on the phone for all email accounts whether they are pop3 accounts or Gmail. Go to the Google Gmail inbox on your computer and log into the Gmail account. On the top right of the screen is an option called Settings. In there is an option to have the Gmail program poll your regular, non-Gmail accounts (From the inbox; Settings/Accounts & Import/ Check mail using POP3). Provide the email address and the password. The Google Gmail program will then poll your other accounts on a frequency from 1-5 minutes and push the email immediately to your phone. The polling frequency is determined by each account's activity - more emails = faster polling. This saves battery power because on the android OS pop3 accounts are polled at a frequency of 1-30 minutes and that really eats battery. Because the phone goes and checks those accounts for mail whether there is mail there or not.
2. If you are using Live Wall Papers, stop!
3. Use wifi any time it is available. It uses a lot less power than 3G and it is much faster.
4. If there are widgets that automatically update (facebook, weather, etc.) change their update frequency in their settings menu. Set them to 30mins or 1 hour.
5. If you use an Ad Blocker, turn it off.
6. If you are using Launcher Pro, try Zeam or Go or QQ.
7. Reboot the phone once per day.
Good luck.
I have the battery issue
I have the battery issue and the only apps I have that would maybe affect it would be juice defender (which I thought would improve battery life if anything) and chainfire 3d. Those are the only apps that I have that I would think are an issue. I only get maybe 6-8 hours of battery life and I am running Unleashed V1.4.
P.S. Geezer I don't think everyone has to have those exact settings to get a good battery life, not to mention no one wants to spend the time doing all that BS when its an issue with the ROM somehow because when flashed to stock ROM no problem.
Why the battery issue only effects some.... No idea. I really believe it is a app that is not playing well that the ones having issues have in common.
I have been on stock for the day after the debacle last night, and it is the first time I had to use my car charger... Really I don't one. But.... a preventive measure is a battery script that I am adding to the init.d in 1.5. I am really hoping it helps those having the issue.
There are 3 things I have always accomplished in my ROMs ... Great battery life, zero lag, and fluidity. 2 out if 3 isn't bad.... But I want the trifecta. Lol
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DroidTh3ory said:
Why the battery issue only effects some.... No idea. I really believe it is a app that is not playing well that the ones having issues have in common.
I have been on stock for the day after the debacle last night, and it is the first time I had to use my car charger... Really I don't one. But.... a preventive measure is a battery script that I am adding to the init.d in 1.5. I am really hoping it helps those having the issue.
There are 3 things I have always accomplished in my ROMs ... Great battery life, zero lag, and fluidity. 2 out if 3 isn't bad.... But I want the trifecta. Lol
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Ha + 1I can't wait for the release!!!
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@Geezer; thanks fire posting all those tips. Many I had not thought of.
@th3ory; hopefully something will come from this thread that assists in development.
ANY OTHERS? The developer is obviously cognisant enough to monitor these threads and take consideration. Put in your two cents.
Is anyone using the corporate email app with an exchange account and having GOOD battery life?
Is anyone using 3dchainfire (or any of the others mentioned above) WITHOUT irregular battery drain?
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I installed the ice cream theme posted in the theme section and unl3ash3d 1.4 at relatively the same time.... I love the theme, but if that is causing battery issues it's gone.. My battery drains drastically now(down to 85% in an hour). when I was running1.3 with adw ex I was at 14hours heavy use...going to my nandroid to see what happens.
no other mods or apps..
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Using Go Launcher with unleashed v1.3.
Frozen with TB
Myspace authenticator
FLICKR authenticator
Facebook Authenticator
LINKENDIN authenticator
Twitter authenticator
Device setup
IM Presence
IM3.0.4.6
Piscasda Authenticator
Social location
Social sharing
Social messaging
Social status
Talk 1.3
I had the 100%-charge-to-dead-in-6-hours voodoo on me since v1.4 came out until last night. I factory reset, reinstalled and have been adding an app every few hours since this morning. As of now, I am getting FANTASTIC battery life...
I am currently at 19H 49M on the STOCK battery, with 31% remaining... That's with 6 of those hours running WI-FI, almost 4 hours of display time on. Yesterday I'd have charged three times for that many hours.
As of now, I've reinstalled the following apps:
RomManager
Titanium BU
GoLauncher
Beautiful Widgets
ES File Explorer
Handcent
K9
XDA Prem
Multiple GO Themes
All of these seem to be behaving pretty well together so far. I was going to add the extended battery tonight, but the results so far make me want to keep riding the wave one app at a time with the stock battery so that I can get an apples to apples comparison. Honestly, several of the apps I've already reinstalled are among those I considered likely culprits. If I can even APPROACH battery life in the long run such as I've experienced today I will be ecstatic.... LOVE THE ROM!
Hey all, I am _NOT_ having a problem, getting 2 days out of mild use and 1 full day (18 - 20 hours) out of moderate use.
TeufelTexan said:
I had the 100%-charge-to-dead-in-6-hours voodoo....
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Dood. This is really some great news. I still have the voodoo but I'm hopeful. I did the battery cal this afternoon at full charge and it's just now going fully dead. I was going to see how it worked out for a few days but looks like the ROM is being updated and I'll be flashing again tonight.
Do you have any apps frozen or removed?
How did you do the battery calibration? Does the factory reset include the stats?
I want to emulate what you have done.
Still curious about exchange accounts. Anyone NOT having a battery issue that uses a corporate email?
cutoonie said:
Dood. This is really some great news. I still have the voodoo but I'm hopeful. I did the battery cal this afternoon at full charge and it's just now going fully dead. I was going to see how it worked out for a few days but looks like the ROM is being updated and I'll be flashing again tonight.
Do you have any apps frozen or removed?
How did you do the battery calibration? Does the factory reset include the stats?
I want to emulate what you have done.
Still curious about exchange accounts. Anyone NOT having a battery issue that uses a corporate email?
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I've not uninstalled or frozen ANYTHING - I've intentionally been minimizing any variables, hoping to isolate an app or app-combination which is delivering the hit.
My process was:
-Full factory reset.
-Flash v1.4 per DT's instructions (wipe cache/dalvik, format /system).
-Wiped Battery Stats via recovery
-Booted up (already charged to 100%), then unplugged and let her rip, installing
the apps listed above 1 at a time every couple of hours.
Haven't change anything else at this time. As far as battery calibration, all I've done is wiped stats and and letting it full discharge - so no real "calibration" to this point.
Can't help you with the exchange issue, only sync'ing 4 exchange accounts.
ETA: I realize that much of the wiping/formatting was redundant after the factory reset, but it only took a minute or two, and I wanted to start as clean as possible. I'm not entirely up to speed on the mechanics behind each element.
One thing I noticed was that prior to this my battery info screen showed a solid blue bar for "awake", it is now a nicely "dashed" line properly coinciding with actual time used.
lots of apps but "always running" google music, WSJ, SMS popup, battery indicator, photobucket, advanced task killer
"mods" = root
extended battery, moterate usage = 70% in 3hours
I have the problem, and it seems to have become worse since I recalibrated the battery (twice). I'm running UNL3ASH3D 1.4 (which I love, BTW) with no modifications or task killers. OFC, I haven't tried all the battery-maximizing tips listed by Geezer Squid, but IMO if you have to disable half the features of the phone to get a day's standby, something isn't right.
Running Unleashed 1.5, fresh install, im down to about 85% after 20 minutes. Only installed ADW launcher EX
I am back to stock deodexed. I'm going to recalibrate the battery, do a couple complete backups, and then try flashing 1.5 after completely wiping the device. Maybe the regular sequence (cache, Dalvik cache and /system) is not enough?
Please bare with me, I am a fairly novice xda user.
I purchased my Bionic at launch, and it has been working perfectly until about a week ago. I always run the phone on stock OS not rooted, automatic brightness, 4g turned off, no wifi/sync/bluetooth. I would generally get down to 20% of my battery from 7 am to midnight on these settings, which was fantastic.
Suddenly, I now lose 10% every 20 minutes. This is not an exaggeration, I have been testing it with Battery Spy. CPU Spy reports that my phone never goes into deep sleep and is always running at the lowest mhz setting when idle.
Under battery usage, Cell Standby is reporting 45%, then Phone Idle at 35%, then Screen at 15%. The remainder its split between K9 Mail and Handcent SMS.
I have uninstalled everything that I thought could be causing this... Facebook, Google+, etc. Apart from the stock bloatware and k9/Handcent, my phone is like new. The best I could do is a factory reset at this point...
I don't think it is a bad battery because the stock battery goes from 100% to 0 in less than an hour when it would last half a day beforehand. I am really at a loss.
One thing I do know is that the 3g and bars are almost always blue, which I think it means is transmitting data. Maybe this is the culprit?
Please pardon my ignorance with the whole issue. Any help would be very, very appreciated. The Bionic was the best phone I have ever owned up until this battery fiasco, and I would like to find out why this is happening.
Thank you.
EDIT: would just like to update, Battery Spy reads that my phone is running at 104° Fahrenheit. I do not know if this is normal, but this was after an hour since a cold boot. Sounds high to me but I'm not sure.
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Sounds like you have some thing that is really using up some cpu cycles. One way to see what's going on is to install the app Android System Info from the market. It has a section called Tasks and it will let you look and see what part of the system is using how much cpu. I do not think you have to be rooted to use this, but I could be wrong. I did go to the market and look and saw no mention of needing to be rooted.
I know this will sound extreme, but I would definitely do it if this was happening to my phone: Factory Reset and start fresh.
Good luck.
Thank you for the advice. I installed it, and appear from the Android System Info app taking up 50% of my cpu, and Android System using 4%, everything else was listed at 0.
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Thank you for the advice. I installed it, and appear from the Android System Info app taking up 50% of my cpu, and Android System using 4%, everything else was listed at 0.
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Well, that didn't help much. Oh well, I would definitely do the Factory Reset then. Again that's just the way I would handle it as something is going on with your phone that wasn't happening earlier. Just go to the Privacy settings and make sure you have Backup and Automatic Restore checked. If your launcher has a backup feature, go to preferences and do a backup of the launcher settings. Then do the Factory Reset. It's a pain to have to setup everything again, but a reset really does cure a lot of ills that pop up.
Good luck.
Oh BTW, here's some general Battery saving suggestions:
Battery Life – BY: NoBloatware on DF
consider doing a factory reset. Do not sync apps, wifi connections, etc. with Google services as that may cause a problem. Install all apps and wifi connections from scratch. A bit of a pain, but not too bad.- install a home/launcher replacement. I use Go Launcher EX, which is free, and I love it. No reason not to try out an alternative launcher as you can always go back to how you had it.
- don't use an automatic task killer--not even the one that comes with the phone. Reboot your phone and look at what's running. If anything that you've installed is running and there's no reason for it, then uninstall it and find an alternative that behaves. Ignore any stock apps that run on boot as I've found them to be more or less benign.
- weather widgets, live wallpapers, news/social feeds, any app or service that you use that runs--do without it if you can.
- don't use antivirus
- the DLNA app pops up a dialog box that will set your WIFI sleep policy to never. The default is "turn off when screen turns off" and I personally think that this setting is the best thing for battery life. Under wifi settings view your connections then hit menu to see "Advanced options" where you can set the sleep policy
- if you have access to wifi, leave it toggled on as it is more efficient than 3G. This is different from the sleep policy.
- I leave GPS toggled on too by the way. Apps use it as needed. When I'm done with Maps or an app that uses it, I'm sure to return to the home screen so GPS can stop. Under wireless settings turn on "Google location services" so that an app is able to use network resources to get your location instead of GPS. I have "VZW location services" turned off--don't know why that option is even there. By the way, I increase the speed of voice output > text to speech > speech rate because I like the directions to get spit out faster. That saves a bit of battery. Turning off the display and just listening for directions help. Also, often I just get the directions and then exit back to the home screen: GPS uses so much battery I try to get it over with ASAP.
- when you get a new battery, do a factory reset, or an OS upgrade run your battery all the way down until the phone shuts off and then charge the battery all the way up. This will callibrate the phone's understanding of the battery's capacity. Do this once every month or two also, but don't do it too often if you can help it.
- I have my battery set to "Performance Mode" and data is on all the time because I am on call 24x7. If you don't mind, try out a more conservative battery profile to save more gobs of energy.
- set screen brightness to "Automatic"
- under Accounts, click on any account listed and turn off sync for any items that you're not interested in syncing. For example, Google Books if you don't use it. Don't use Backup Assistant--I prefer syncing my contacts with Google. You don't need both. Also go into your contacts > menu > display options > backup assistant > UNCHECK. Also do contacts > menu > more > settings > contact storage > and select your Google account and "remember this choice"
- if you never use bluetooth then toggle it off. If you do use it sometimes, it's fine to leave it toggled on all the time.
- consider turning off voice privacy. This may not be a big deal but it will save some processing (and therefore battery). It may also improve call quality.
- turn off haptic feedback, animations, and any un-needed sounds in Android settings and in your apps
- set your screen timeout to as low a time as you can stand (I use 1 minute) and manually turn the screen off when you're done using the phone. I use an app to lock the screen so I don't wear out my power button...as happened on my original droid.
- turn off in-pocket detection
- keyboard: turn off vibrate on keypress and sounds for any keyboards you use
- use a red screen background. On the original Droid screen--not sure about this Droid 3 screen--red was the most efficient color that could be displayed. Anyone know if this still holds true?
- camera app: i like keeping location on and flash on auto. Consider turning location off or at least returning to the home screen ASAP when using camera if location for camera is on.
- in stock browser the default home page is Google and it uses your location. This is a bad idea as it can waste your battery for no reason. Make something else your home page and make sure to close any web page that uses your location when you're done viewing it.
- charge your phone via the wall charger instead of computer USB as it is faster. Also, don't use long USB cords--use regular power extension cords instead. I stick with the charger that came with the phone.
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Please bare with me, I am a fairly novice xda user.
I purchased my Bionic at launch, and it has been working perfectly until about a week ago. I always run the phone on stock OS not rooted, automatic brightness, 4g turned off, no wifi/sync/bluetooth. I would generally get down to 20% of my battery from 7 am to midnight on these settings, which was fantastic.
Suddenly, I now lose 10% every 20 minutes. This is not an exaggeration, I have been testing it with Battery Spy. CPU Spy reports that my phone never goes into deep sleep and is always running at the lowest mhz setting when idle.
Under battery usage, Cell Standby is reporting 45%, then Phone Idle at 35%, then Screen at 15%. The remainder its split between K9 Mail and Handcent SMS.
I have uninstalled everything that I thought could be causing this... Facebook, Google+, etc. Apart from the stock bloatware and k9/Handcent, my phone is like new. The best I could do is a factory reset at this point...
I don't think it is a bad battery because the stock battery goes from 100% to 0 in less than an hour when it would last half a day beforehand. I am really at a loss.
One thing I do know is that the 3g and bars are almost always blue, which I think it means is transmitting data. Maybe this is the culprit?
Please pardon my ignorance with the whole issue. Any help would be very, very appreciated. The Bionic was the best phone I have ever owned up until this battery fiasco, and I would like to find out why this is happening.
Thank you.
EDIT: would just like to update, Battery Spy reads that my phone is running at 104° Fahrenheit. I do not know if this is normal, but this was after an hour since a cold boot. Sounds high to me but I'm not sure.
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i have the same problem man! i have the extended battery and it lasts maybe 9 hours and i have tried several batteries from verizon store i keep swapping them lol and im on 4G all day and performance battery and data on all 24/7 too and i could get 20 hours ++ out of thunderbolt extended and cant get half that with bionic. there is something going on and nobody at verizon can figure my problem out!
Format the sd card in ur pc. Then put sd card back in bionic and transfer ur stuff back on it. Ur bionic is scanning sd card non stop for errors drainin battery. I had this problem for weeks beofre i figured this out. Was gettin 7-8 hrs on ext battery. Now ibget 30 hrs
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I had a similar issue and the problem was my sim card needing to be reinstalled. It was not seaded correctly and caused my radio to act up. I truned off the phone and removed the sim card and then reinserted it and rebooted and I was back to normal.
I am not sure if this is your problem but it is easy enough to try.
Would this apply if I am not using 4g? I have 4g disabled and it was my impression that the sim card was only used for 4g.
I uninstalled k9 which for some reason began using 7% of my battery though I had never opened it since reboot and now I am getting a loss of 10% per hour of normal use.
I went to bed with the battery at 70 and woke up with it at the same so I at least solved the sleeping problem. Not sure why k9 was responsible though.
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Well, hi guys, I have been a member on this forum for quite some time but due to bad memory I forgot my account so I made a new account, that's not my point of this topic.
I bought a new Galaxy Note and I simply love it, awesome phone, but I noticed something wrong. Yes! the battery...
My battery simply dies in 2 hours of usage (videos or listening to music while playing Wordfued)
I want a solution for that, I have my warrantry and all, shall I demand a new battery or something? I'm Swedish by the way.
And I'm sure you'll ask me about flashing a rom and root it.
I know that would make the phone faster, but I'd rather wait for the official ISC.
Only if I can do both of the things at the same time, if so then I will flash, please do read everything so you can watch from my prespective, thanks in advance.
That's definitely not normal. I get much, much more usage doing the same, so I would definitely try changing battery first and then changing the phone as a second option.
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Zamboney said:
That's definitely not normal. I get much, much more usage doing the same, so I would definitely try changing battery first and then changing the phone as a second option.
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Fully agree.
I would get 4 to 5 hours of continuous use, I reckon. Some people report more.
I think the problem is with the battery. you can try this :http://www.amazon.com/2600mAh-Batte...I84K/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1329085625&sr=8-4 . Just bought it and it give me like 6-7 hours of watching videos.
Thank you for the link. I was looking for a better battery. I home to find a vendor that ships to France though.
Thank you
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I think the problem is with the battery. you can try this :just bought it and it give me like 6-7 hours of watching videos.
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Thank you my dear sir, I'll take that as the second option, I'll try getting a new battery since my warranty is vailed for 2 years.
Thank you though
No need for an extra battery or extended battery.
Install juice defender
Leave brightness on auto
disable 3g (it is on by default I believe and I noticed a big savings on batt %)
disable auto screen rotate(optional)
my phone is @ 44% left , lasted 11 hours 2 minutes , This will last me another 5-6 hours.
Did about 1 hour of gaming (myth defense)
30 min browsing on wifi
45 min on tapatalk
1.5 hours on the phone
1.5 hours streaming music to my desktop via kies air
I had posted something like this before...
1. Flash and test different kernels in case of battery drain. Some are easier on your battery than the others.
2. Use Titanium Backup to freeze or uninstall crapware. This list is a useful guide as to what can/can't be removed from your system: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...SENVeXlqUm5vV0E&single=true&gid=0&output=html
3. Set Brightness to low value, disable autobrightness
4. Disable or scale down vibration and haptic feedback
5. Automatic syncing of your accounts is battery consuming. Sync manually if you can
6. Set screen timeout to 15 seconds
7. Disable fast dormancy (dial *#9900# and do it from there)
8. Don't keep your WiFi/Packet Data on all the time. However, if you must have WiFi on the second you wake up your phone, go to Settings/Wireless and Network/Wi-Fi settings - once in Wi-Fi Settings, hit the menu button (the bottom left one), choose Advanced/Wi-Fi sleep policy/When Screen Turned Off. This way your connection will toggle on/off depending on your screen on/of state
9. Disable location services via wireless networks - are you travelling that fast that you need those?
10. GPS is heavy on the battery, therefore use it sparingly
And don't use Juice or any other battery 'defenders': they keep running in the background and consume your juice by trying to save it. Not to mention other problems they can (and often do) create.
Hope this helps.
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And don't use Juice or any other battery 'defenders': they keep running in the background and consume your juice by trying to save it. Not to mention other problems they can (and often do) create.
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I have found this too, although YMMV.
I use Llama (Location Aware Mobile App) to turn things of and on when I move about. I seems to work very well mostly:
1. Got rid of useless apps, and kill all listeners on new apps so they do not pop up (require root)
2. When at home or work, WiFi is on but sleeping when screen is off (this is the one that fails most often - need to monitor), data is off (to prevent use when WiFi is sleeping).
3. When out and about, data is on, sync is off (to save mobile data & battery).
Like this I can get very flat battery level graphs when the phone is asleep, which is what I want.
When the phone is awake, the only thing you can do is turn the screen auto orientation off (I use Llama to turn it on for certain apps), and keep the brightness down, and use dark themes for everything, really. Turn WiFi off when not using it would also help.
I just wish they had made the battery larger & thinner (as someone else said) so that a thicker battery could have been more effective still, like triple the capacity
Try disabling GPS, wifi and data connections when not in use to save battery. Also you could flash the latest abyssnote kernel. It has absolutely amazing battery life.
I've seen a lot of people complaining about battery life, and while I've had my Atrix HD only for a few days now (coming from an Atrix 2) I've had pretty good success w/the stock battery. I was initially bummed that we can't root yet, and with that comes the inability to turn off 3G/4G/LTE when the screen is off as well as other build.prop tweaks. I will be doing the EB40 battery mod, but before that I wanted to ensure I was getting the most out of my stock battery. I've done some things to get me the most life from my battery and many are just a reflection of my personal habits when I use the phone. Once size doesn't fit all, but hopefully you can use a few of the tricks here to improve your battery life. We can use this thread to share our results and findings.
Yes some of these are no-brainers, and we're not going to discuss the fact that using wifi, bluetooth and GPS all day will drain your battery. I operate on the idea that if I need it, I'll turn it on. I don't need every single one of my accounts synced to the split second. Half the time my phone is sitting next to me while i'm at my computer. Of course others live and breath through their phone. I don't care to be bugged every 5-10 seconds by my phone; got better things to do....but that is my style.
I will post some screen shots of my system as I complete some other tests. The first test I will do is turn off data and background sync and see how many days this phone can last w/out a charge. Other tests are TBD.
So here is what I've done so far.. While all of this is no more than enabling/disabling and configuring items, I still will take no responsibility if disabling any features/apps breaks or harms the your installation of your phone or bricks it.
Enjoy
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Developer Options
Window Animation Scale: Animation Off
Transition Animation Scale: Animation Off
Deep Sleep
This one is critical, in fact I didn't have good battery life until I was positive that the phone was entering deep sleep when it was idle (cellular data on or off, it doesn't matter). I used Better Battery Stats to determine this. I'd set a custom reference point, lock the phone, wait 1-2 minutes and then look in BBS. If i didn't see any Deep Sleep time, i'd uninstall or re-configure apps so that the phone would remain asleep. Even if you see a high % of 384mhz and no deep sleep, you will loose battery power. Low CPU usage is NOT the same as deep sleep. The culprit i've honed in on is Beautiful Widgets. I'm suspect this app, despite telling it to only update the weather every 2 hours does not let the phone enter deep sleep. Further testing is needed to confirm.
Accounts
Sync only contacts
I have one account (exchange) that has its calendar synced
Manually sync other items when you need them
Background Sync
All apps have any kind of notifications and sync turned off, this includes ebay, words with friends, facebook twitter etc. Again, when you need to see an update, manually update/sync.
Social Apps syncing? - NO
Email Client - I'm using Enhanced Email, I'm not using the stock email client or the gmail app.
# of accounts: 3 (2 are gmail, 1 is exchange)
Sync: Check every 15 minutes
Using Gmail client - NO
Smart Actions - This alone is a huge battery saver, over night my phone only looses 1-2 % of battery life. By the time I pick up my phone at 8:30am, my email is already synced and i haven't lost any battery power. My reson for doing this is that I came from a Blackberry about a year ago. They had a great feature that would put the phone into a super deep sleep, essentially a hibernate. Everything was off; this is the closest we can com to on Android, sans turning the phone completely off. I estimate if you use this setting all the time you would be close to the advertised 8.5 days of standby time.
Triggers
Nighttime Battery Saver
Timeframe: 10pm - 8am
Display - Off
Actions:
Background sync Disabled
Cellular Data - Disabled
Wi-Fi - Off
Bluetooth - Off
GPS - Off
Disabled Apps
Amazon Kindle
At&T Code Scanner
AT&T Family Map
AT&T Messages
AT&T Navigator
AT&T Ready2Go
At&T Smart Wi Fi
Audio Effects
Browser Message
Bubbles
Circles
City ID
com.softwareimaging.motoprint.mo....
DRM Protected Content Storage
Email
Face Unlock
Google Search
Lamina
Live TV
Magic Smoke Wallpapers
Music Visualization Wallpapers
MyAT&T
Print to Retail
Qik Lite
Quick View
Real Racing 2
Rescue Security
Suggestions
Suggestions Core Rule Checker Sevice
Suggestions Poll Scheduler Service
Swype
Talkback
Vehicle Mode
VMWare Ready
Weather
YPmobile
Reserved
I used to activate sleep mode at night and it really helps a lot.
How do you deactivate apps?
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How do you deactivate apps?
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Settings -> Apps -> All
Select an app, click "disable"
Ahhhh didn't realize you had to un install updates first.
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So having come from Verizon's Note 4 and averaging up to 24hrs on battery running pretty much the same setup as I do now on my T-Mobile Note 4 minus the "Root" & "Custom Rom" abilities. Otherwise, same apps, accounts, usage pattern, ect...
I am on an ongoing battle still after several complete wipes, different Roms including just running STOCK ANK4 and trying to figure out what is going on. Phone defect? Battery defect?
Anyhow, Ever since changing over to both the T-Mobile Note 4 & their service, my experience has been a rather miserable 14 to 18hrs MAX battery life and going from 4hrs screen on time to around 2 1/2 w/ T-Mobile.
Which now leads me yet to wonder something else. I believe I started using the "FingerPrint" security feature since switching to T-Mobile to unlock the device. Has anyone experienced a similar "Battery longevity" issue using said feature before I continue troubleshooting and chasing my own tail on this? Of course I will eventually test this theory anyhow, but figured I would throw it out there.
Also, Open to any suggestions.
Just some things I have already done along with the above mentioned:
- Utilized the App "Greenify" & donation full version to greenify many apps including "Google Play Services".
- Set up Profiles which I toggle via "PhoneWeaver" to turn off data when on Wi-Fi which consists of 90% of my day as I'm Wi-Fi connected both at home and work.
- Of course always turn off that option within Wi-Fi settings to untick "Always Scan".
- Went into "Google" app settings and turned off about everything I can find in there and it's now rather complex settings.
- Turned off most syncing of my 2 "Google" accounts to only one having anything other than Email Sync active such as the Calendar, Contacts, and Apps Sync. - Again, my 1 Google Account I only have set to sync Email and nothing else.
Sure I forgot some things I've tried but again, I am open to any/all suggestions. I admit, I bought my T-Mobile via Swappa. All seemed well as per their checklist of the obvious things to check regarding the phone's operation. Kind of stuck here now and wondering if my device is simply defective and/or the battery.
Also of note: Android System is always by far the largest contributor to my battery drain and exceeds even Screen-On time by around 10%. But then again, don't really know if that means anything or not since even before switching carriers and the transition from "JellyBean" to "KitKat" on my previous S4, Android System became a forever battery hog for me.
Just never had a top end device such as this in past years barely get me through a complete day: Work & Home time. I don't consider myself a heavy user. Barely even "Moderate" many days as I mainly text during my lunch break, otherwise phone is pretty much idle. And say 2 phone calls of aprox 20 min.s each during commute time. Yea, something just isn't right. :crying:
I have noticed 3 things that were hurting battery bad.
1.) Use the Google play services with the 030 extension. I get way better battery life on it 5% to 10% increase in battery life. Link below:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...ices-7-0-99-1809214-030-android-apk-download/
2.) If you are not using maps or other location services turn your location off. Literally a 20%+ increase in battery from this alone.
3.) Toggle your NFC. Something in Android 4.4.4 sometimes causes your NFC to wake lock. If you turn it on then turn it off one time it normally fixes is.
I attached my battery stats below.
It with about 2 hours of screen on time.
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ShrekOpher said:
I have noticed 3 things that were hurting battery bad.
1.) Use the Google play services with the 030 extension. I get way better battery life on it 5% to 10% increase in battery life. Link below:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...ices-7-0-99-1809214-030-android-apk-download/
2.) If you are not using maps or other location services turn your location off. Literally a 20%+ increase in battery from this alone.
3.) Toggle your NFC. Something in Android 4.4.4 sometimes causes your NFC to wake lock. If you turn it on then turn it off one time it normally fixes is.
I attached my battery stats below.
It with about 2 hours of screen on time.
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Thanks for the reply and suggestions! I just checked and I am currently running Google Play Services V 7.0.97 (1791429-030).
A couple things I have done meanwhile since my OP which have had "some" noticeable positive effects on my battery duration, yet still no where near what you have posted are:
Within "Google Settings" app:
- Account History ( I have "turned off or rather paused" ALL the Activity/Info/History settings here - All 5)
Regarding my 2nd, basically "Junk mail" Gmail Account:
- Now have ALL "Sync" turned off within, including the syncing of email, which I now simply check manually to update.
Greenify:
- Revisited, and added a bunch more apps and pretty much "Greenified" ALL Samsung related entries/services/ect...
So far I have increased to achieving up to about 3 1/2 hrs Screen time (Gained 1 hr) & a few more hours of real time battery longevity as I can now achieve close to 20hrs before needing charge.
Still feel I have some troubleshooting to go. Oh, I actually have the NFC Service "Greenified" to. So far haven't really noticed a problem with "Deep Sleep" either according to CPU SPY pro.
Yep, Have always had the Location Service to OFF, not even using the so called "Battery saving" selection with it. Such a pity to have to cripple such things but it's a trade off I guess in achieving a full day's battery vs.s using the features with this phone for some reason more-so than past devices it seems. At least in my case. :silly: