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[Q] OC/UV settings for battery life

hi guys,
does anyone have a tried and working UV values for best battery life? I don't want any more performance, so I'm not looking for OC, but perhaps any idea what UV stays stable?

Well, it's easy the higher you OC, the more it will drain your battery. As for UV, I can't tell because the voltages are different for every device, Rom and kernel...
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Usually undervolting -50mv for each speed will work for most devices, although its not recommended to decrease that much for speeds below 800mhz since it will affect your phone's wake up speed.
And tegra 2 cpu controller only supports minimum of 770mv, going anyway lower than this value will not have any effect.
My advice, try UV -25mv for 500mhz, and the rest above is -50mv. Some o2x can go -100mv, but you need to be lucky to own such device.
Cheers!

Mine is working perfectly on -75.
But when i go to -100, soemtime freezes device, so i use -75 regularly.

trying -50 across the board now, seems to run stable.
brw, how does lower voltage hurt the speed?

I can't really explain clearly since I do not know the technicals, but from what I read in xda, it will affect your speed, meaning 1.2ghz running at undervolted setting will not run the same as at stock voltage. Maybe its an efficiency issue, I do not know.
I thing that i experience, If you undervolt too much the few lowest clock steppings, you sometimes might not able to wake the phone from sleep because there is not enough power to wake it up.
I hope my explanation help you a little, and hopefully someone with more experience can give you a better explanation.

using -25mv ate 1.1ghz and 1ghz, -50mv at 800 Mhz, and -100mhz (750Mhz so its 770mhz because hardware limitations) on all other frequencies!

-50 mv is the limit for the device don't use below -50mv. but it dependes on your device. mine cannot UV it always gives me SOD i think my hardware phone is crap

antec123 said:
-50 mv is the limit for the device don't use below -50mv. but it dependes on your device. mine cannot UV it always gives me SOD i think my hardware phone is crap
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When did you buy your phone?
I have one of the 10 first phones sold in Sweden and I cannot undervolt mine at all.
Just wondering if there's any correlation between manufacturing time and UVability (yeah I just made that word up).
// Stefan

I run with 1100.. good compromise between speed and battery life i think

[Q] Undervolted

I've undervolted my device and right now I have
100mhz - 825 mah
200mhz - 825 mah
500mhz - 800 mah
for some reason the 500mhz setting is stable and if I undervolt 100mhz/200mhz even more, I crash.
If I set my minimum processor power to 500mhz would I consume less batter than if I were to use 100mhz/200mhz?

Your phone spends most of its time in the lowest and highest cpu frequencies and just a small amount of time at the intermediate levels. Your undervolt for 500mhz probably isn't stable but it doesn't crash because it's only at that frequency for a very short amount of time. If you set the minimum to 500mhz at that voltage it will probably start playing up.
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graph of my cpu levels

Abit offtopic but what the hell!
I was wondering if there's any risks involved with undervolting?
I don't meen the crashes and freeze ups, but rather more like if there's any risk
to really damage your phone from it?
I have and still do alot of OC in the computer world, and do know what overvolting can do. But i'm still curious about what uv can do to your system.

Maskell said:
Your phone spends most of its time in the lowest and highest cpu frequencies and just a small amount of time at the intermediate levels. Your undervolt for 500mhz probably isn't stable but it doesn't crash because it's only at that frequency for a very short amount of time. If you set the minimum to 500mhz at that voltage it will probably start playing up.
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It's been my minimum even before posting this thread. I just started to wonder.
I've been on it for 10 hours now. I have 45% battery life left. Probably due to my 1700mhz being @ 1350mah right now.
I can assure you, it's VERY stable. It's so SMOOTH. Smoother than just having rocketrom and all that stuff. NO LAGS, NO SHUTDOWNS. ALL STABLE.
I can see better battery life, and CPU Spy says it used up 47% 1700mhz and 40% 500mhz. I think it's giving me better battery life.
It's evenly splitted up probably because I was using lulzactive governor.
but then again I didn't log my previous battery life without undervolting.
Some more insight would be nice.
SweCrow81 said:
Abit offtopic but what the hell!
I was wondering if there's any risks involved with undervolting?
I don't meen the crashes and freeze ups, but rather more like if there's any risk
to really damage your phone from it?
I have and still do alot of OC in the computer world, and do know what overvolting can do. But i'm still curious about what uv can do to your system.
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There are alot of risks. Minor chance that you will cause hardware damage to your phone but I'm saying VERY minor. Just don't be stupid with voltages, like just suddenly overdropping the voltages. Your processor might die.
It's scary as hell, it crashes alot while testing and all that ****.
Feels good when you get it stable though.
TL;DR
Very slight chance to damage your hardware; only if you're very daring.
It should increase your battery life by atleast 20% if you reach the peak of your processors limit.

Bump, are there no other insights on this? Am I like, the only one who undervolted his/her note?
help

clairenix said:
Bump, are there no other insights on this? Am I like, the only one who undervolted his/her note?
help
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I want to run 1700mhz as permanent and also wanted to undervolt but i wasnt sure how much by and what the risks are. Reason being is my phone gets hot with heavy usage running at 1400mhz so didnt want to go to 1700. I'll watch this thread with interest

kaos_king said:
I want to run 1700mhz as permanent and also wanted to undervolt but i wasnt sure how much by and what the risks are. Reason being is my phone gets hot with heavy usage running at 1400mhz so didnt want to go to 1700. I'll watch this thread with interest
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I'm running 500-1700mhz.
Indeed it does get hot at 1700mhz, when I'm playing games but I've only at most played for 4 hours straight.
For what reason would you want to run 1700mhz-1700mhz?

clairenix said:
I'm running 500-1700mhz.
Indeed it does get hot at 1700mhz, when I'm playing games but I've only at most played for 4 hours straight.
For what reason would you want to run 1700mhz-1700mhz?
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No sorry i meant running it at 1700 max, leaving it stock for the min. I just wanted to know how much i can safely undervolt 1700 by.

I actually have a question. I undervolted my note with SetCPU and I read that Tegrak Overclock Ultimate should be used as well together with SetCPU.
What does Tegrak Overclock do? GPU settings?
Would like to learn that part if anyone has any info.

kaos_king said:
No sorry i meant running it at 1700 max, leaving it stock for the min. I just wanted to know how much i can safely undervolt 1700 by.
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I undervolted mine by about 100mah. I think I can tone it down by about 25mah more but I'm having a hard time getting it to stabilize.
1350 for my device is completely safe though.
Though, all processors are different. Yours could be better than mine and can withstand more UV-ing.
Goodluck!
liutszho said:
I actually have a question. I undervolted my note with SetCPU and I read that Tegrak Overclock Ultimate should be used as well together with SetCPU.
What does Tegrak Overclock do? GPU settings?
Would like to learn that part if anyone has any info.
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It's basically the same with SetCPU aside from its voltages.
I do not know if it should be used with SetCPU with the note because from what I've researched. It's only a common practice with SGSII.

Tried setting 100 and 200 mhz to 825. Crashed my phone twice in one day using it, gonna revert back to 875

clairenix said:
I undervolted mine by about 100mah. I think I can tone it down by about 25mah more but I'm having a hard time getting it to stabilize.
1350 for my device is completely safe though.
Though, all processors are different. Yours could be better than mine and can withstand more UV-ing.
Goodluck!
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Many thanks!
I will just experiment then, i didnt want to do that and then cause hw damage. I'll let you know how my processor gets on

So does oc kill the phones life?

Simple question.
My freq now is 633 mhz..still will it shorten the life of my cpu???
Or higher freq and I mean not just for gaming,for everyday use.
Its mainly cuz of 360 launcher.
You need some higher freq to get the smooth look.
So???

Well, I've been using Overclock since the Day overclock came out..
And i have no damn problems .. CPU is still working Great!
And just to let ye know its clocked on 768 MHz ;D
Just overclock it Dude..
Your x8 will be Okay
But if u kept using it for long periods..
it might endanger Your CPU
Also be careful not to fall into a bootloop .. uncheck the Set on Boot option ..
check if it's working alright on 768 .. then check the Set on boot..
I have GDXv22 with [email protected] . .

Medo2 said:
Simple question.
My freq now is 633 mhz..still will it shorten the life of my cpu???
Or higher freq and I mean not just for gaming,for everyday use.
Its mainly cuz of 360 launcher.
You need some higher freq to get the smooth look.
So???
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Overclocking by 33MHz isn't dangerous, that's very mild.
In General - the more you overclock from the specified values (in case of the X8: 600MHz) the more heat you produce and the more you push the chip to the bleeding edge.
In short: Every integrated circuit has some headroom for overclock as the manufacturer specifies the clock rate at an safe value and not at the very bleeding edge where variances in the chip making process could lead to too high yields because they don't run stable with the clock frequency. In general you don't do your electronics a favor when pushing it too far. 700MHz+ will surely shorten the life span of your phone, how much would need to be seen as there's no real long-term experience.

Wow thanks guys.
You see after some thinkig it aint the cpu freq that is slow.
I set my low freq when in sleep on 245 so the phone is slow on waking up.
When you set it on high the phone will respond better!

like PC, when overclock it may reduce processor life

any clock reduces the life of your cpu. the higher the clock rate less life cpu

[Q] Overclocking my SGS to 1.2GHz

Hey Everyone, I just wanna know if I Can OC My SGS to 1.2GHz Without any problems, Because I heared that OC SGS is not stable and It's dagerous for my Phone's Life, I that True ?
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Shadow Life said:
Hey Everyone, I just wanna know if I Can OC My SGS to 1.2GHz Without any problems, Because I heared that OC SGS is not stable and It's dagerous for my Phone's Life, I that True ?
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Yes you can, depending on the kernel you use, oc your phone even up to 1.5 ghz.
Flash Glitch, MNICS, Devil or Semaphore Kernel for ICS roms
Do so with care as OCing WILL degrade your processor faster.

It depends a bit on your luck. Processors aren't all the same (variance in quality during manufacturing), the 1 ghz that is the default is considered a 'safe' level and every processor will be able to do that frequency. Usually though, there's a fair amount of buffer, so most processors can go beyond 1ghz to say 1.2 without any issue.
As the frequency increases, stability decreases. This means your phone will become more prone to crashing. Some people are lucky and can go very high (1.5, 1.7?), while others might start facing instability at 1.2. Won't know until you try. It's unlikely to cause permanent damage anyway, just change back to 1.0 if it's unstable
It probably does increase wear and tear of processor somewhat, but considering people will buy a new phone within 1-2 years, there's really no problem

Oc SGS 1.2Ghz
nwsk said:
It depends a bit on your luck. Processors aren't all the same (variance in quality during manufacturing), the 1 ghz that is the default is considered a 'safe' level and every processor will be able to do that frequency. Usually though, there's a fair amount of buffer, so most processors can go beyond 1ghz to say 1.2 without any issue.
As the frequency increases, stability decreases. This means your phone will become more prone to crashing. Some people are lucky and can go very high (1.5, 1.7?), while others might start facing instability at 1.2. Won't know until you try. It's unlikely to cause permanent damage anyway, just change back to 1.0 if it's unstable
It probably does increase wear and tear of processor somewhat, but considering people will buy a new phone within 1-2 years, there's really no problem
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I Have "[email protected]" Kernel Up to 1.3Ghz, I Don't face any problems When i OC to 1.2GHz,, Games run smooth (Real racing 2) And the phone is Very responsive,, But when i play about 2 Hours My phone's temperatur increase (Just a Little Bit) but i don't know if it may Effect my Phone's Life,,

Shadow Life said:
I Have "[email protected]" Kernel Up to 1.3Ghz, I Don't face any problems When i OC to 1.2GHz,, Games run smooth (Real racing 2) And the phone is Very responsive,, But when i play about 2 Hours My phone's temperatur increase (Just a Little Bit) but i don't know if it may Effect my Phone's Life,,
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Being electronics' worst enemy, heat can and will kill your phone. But that's only if it reaches those temperatures. Overclocking your phone naturally will increase heat from the processor. Check your phones temperature. If you're reaching 50C or over, you're getting too hot. The general rule of thumb is this: if it's uncomfortable to the touch, your phone is too hot.
Most phones should get to 1.2 GHz without a problem. Keep in mind that LiveOC is NOT THE SAME as adding another frequency step, which was the traditional way of overclocking. Some kernels do one, some do the other, and some do both. Adding an additional frequency step to get to 1.2 GHz should be capable by most if not all phones. LiveOCing to 1.2 GHz won't be nearly as compatible, as it overclocks the bus, GPU and CPU.

upichie said:
Being electronics' worst enemy, heat can and will kill your phone. But that's only if it reaches those temperatures. Overclocking your phone naturally will increase heat from the processor. Check your phones temperature. If you're reaching 50C or over, you're getting too hot. The general rule of thumb is this: if it's uncomfortable to the touch, your phone is too hot.
Most phones should get to 1.2 GHz without a problem. Keep in mind that LiveOC is NOT THE SAME as adding another frequency step, which was the traditional way of overclocking. Some kernels do one, some do the other, and some do both. Adding an additional frequency step to get to 1.2 GHz should be capable by most if not all phones. LiveOCing to 1.2 GHz won't be nearly as compatible, as it overclocks the bus, GPU and CPU.
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+1

Overclocking the Nexus 4 - Benchmark of application load time = BIG difference

A lot of people say that overclocking the Nexus 4 is useless as it's so fast to begin with, but that turns out to be false, yes, it's useless for making e.g. games run smoother, as they all already do, but it's very useful for reducing loading times, and it turns out that the % of time saved is close to the % of increased clock speed.
My setup: Nexus 4, franco.Kernel updater v9.3.3, Franco Kernel #666, Jelly Bean 4.2.2 JDQ39, Governor Interactive. Angry pigs HD 1.1.0 app loading. Fresh reboot for each speed. I did three measurements for each clock speed and left voltages at Franco's defaults. I would suggest looking into the undervolting threads to figure out how low you can go with voltages, undervolting is good underclocking is usually not.
1026 Mhz 1025mV default Franco
15.4s
15.9s
15.7s
1512 MHz 1150 mV default Franco
11.5s
11.3s
11.3s
1620 MHz 1175mV default Franco
11.1s
10.6s
10.6s
1674 MHz 1175mV default Franco
10.3s
10.6s
10.7s
1728 MHz 1200mV default Franco
10.5s
10.3s
10.3s
Conclusion
12.5% faster clock speed = 8.85% faster load time, which means increasing clock speed is 70% effective at reducing load time going from 1512 Mhz and upwards.
40% faster clock speed = 35% faster load time, meaning that people who think running their device at 1026 Mhz is as good as 1512 Mhz are wrong. Nearly doubling clock speed nearly halfens load time.
The reduction in loading time is reduced a bit as you reach higher frequencies, but it's still 70% effective so every extra Mhz helps cut down the wait. Overclocking the Nexus 4 is meaningless in terms of increasing smoothness IN APP, but meaningful in reducing load times significantly and in increasing the responsiveness of your system.

please tell me for saving the battery and still maintaining a little smoothness
the settings to use
i use faux123 kernel.. i just need the voltage,cpu clock n governer settings

so overclocking makes things faster.. really? who would have thunk. and you just found this out?

my brother uses a galaxy s3, and after using it for a few months he tried my n4... he was amused how fast things open and how smooth everything was, and it was all stock frequencies. i think it makes no sense overclocking this beast, it is already fast enough. +/- a few seconds doesnt make that much of a difference but drains the battery significantly more. just sayin'.

zakoo2 said:
my brother uses a galaxy s3, and after using it for a few months he tried my n4... he was amused how fast things open and how smooth everything was, and it was all stock frequencies. i think it makes no sense overclocking this beast, it is already fast enough. +/- a few seconds doesnt make that much of a difference but drains the battery significantly more. just sayin'.
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Sorry but little OC can help you save more battery in day to day usage. (If you are not playing only games on your phone).
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alen1901 said:
Sorry but little OC can help you save more battery in day to day usage. (If you are not playing only games on your phone).
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not according to my experiences, and i did play with oc/uc and voltage quite a bit. i always ended up going back to stock on the n4 (not on my old motodefy though) because of the drainage.

So, a 50% increase in clock cycles pushes the performance by a bit.
Who would've thought...?

well that's normal, overclocking = more power draining, more speed; just like with CPU or ram on pc, no rocket science here.

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Sorry but little OC can help you save more battery in day to day usage. (If you are not playing only games on your phone).
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OC? Don't you mean Downclocking or Undervolting?

sigma392 said:
OC? Don't you mean Downclocking or Undervolting?
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Nope , also OC can (in theory) improve battery life because the CPU finishes its task faster.
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gohan040 said:
Nope , also OC can (in theory) improve battery life because the CPU finishes its task faster.
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But er... Wouldn't it would theoretically need more power and therefore generating more heat than stock frequencies which in turn will have a negative effect on battery life?

sigma392 said:
But er... Wouldn't it would theoretically need more power and therefore generating more heat than stock frequencies which in turn will have a negative effect on battery life?
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It REALLY depends. I'd say most day-to-day usage, an overclock can actually help save battery by 'racing' to sleep (hurry up, finish, drop to deep sleep on cpu AND radio). I think being on 3g makes it even more pronounced because you're letting the radio drop back down to a lower power state as well as the CPU. So if you need to quickly open an email attachment, and cpu is the limiter, it can help it finish, get off the network, and back to idle state faster and save some battery. Now if you go on running benchmarks instead where you just keep throwing more work at it that's a seriously different story. There is also a point of diminishing returns (usually 1 or 2 steps before the absolute limit, in our case about 1670mhz) but in general, a moderate overclock can help.

sigma392 said:
But er... Wouldn't it would theoretically need more power and therefore generating more heat than stock frequencies which in turn will have a negative effect on battery life?
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I agree with u, but remember its a theory.. U finish faster so the time it uses more power is less....
^^Look at the post above me, he got a good example^^
The best of both worlds (if your phone is capable to do this) is when u UV and OC. U would use less power on a higher frequency. Win-win in theory.
But I know what u mean and its hard to believe, but I think that's what @alan1901 wanted to say.
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If you are lucky, you can overclock using STOCK voltage for the maximum clock.
IE, i see many undervolting their phones by alot. I would just try 1150mV (default voltage for 1.5ghz) for your highest speed (OC as high as you can with this voltage), which means you are not using more power, but still making your phone faster.
Haven't tried on mine, but say 1.6-1.7ghz should be possible with 1150mV for a few at least.

No, 50% OC is not = 50% reduced load time
Let me summarize:
OVERCLOCKING > UNDERCLOCKING FOR THE AVERAGE (POWER) USER
You load a lot of apps, you don't play games or watch videos for hours, productivity is your focus. Depending on use you could save probably 1 - 6 hours a year (see assumptions below). Battery gains won't be significant, but spending less time with the LCD/Wifi etc on could give you some gains as the CPU is one of the lower power drain components.
UNDERCLOCKING > OVERCLOCKING FOR THE 3D GAMER
You spent a lot of time playing CPU intensive games, keeping the CPU cores at max clock speed for extended periods of time. In that case you could get some battery life gains at the cost of responsiveness and app loading times - your call.
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UNDERCLOCKING + UNDERVOLTING PROs/CONs
+ Reduces CPU temperature, if that matters to you.
+ IF keeping the CPU at max clock speed for extended periods of time, a lower max voltage could give you enough extra battery life to negate the time lost waiting for apps to load - your call.
- Increased load times - even on the Nexus 4 a lot of apps take > 10 seconds to launch, and don't forget in-app load times, reboots etc.
- No significant battery saving in most cases, potential for loss (if doing a lot of app loading you could even get worse battery life as the screen, wifi etc has to stay on for longer, and the screen is the main battery drain).
- Time spent finding stable voltages.
OVERCLOCKING PROs and CONs
+ Potential small battery life gain, as your device spends less time with the screen/wifi etc ON.
++ SAVES YOU TIME. I'm estimating 1 - 5 hours a year depending on usage.
- Times spent finding stable voltages and clock speeds.
-/- Apps does not RUN smoother.
Why 50% CPU does not = 50% reduced load time and why you test things
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It'd be more like 40-30% depending on relative clock speed. I did a simple test as we did NOT know that app loading was mainly CPU limited, could have been memory. And If load times didn't go down there wouldn't be ANY reason to OC and underclocking would be a good idea.
Assumptions behind an estimated 1 - 6 hours saved a year by overclocking
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Say that you're on average waiting 4 minutes a day waiting for apps to load, rebooting your phone, waiting for web pages to load, waiting for in-app content to load etc.
Overclocking can cut down that wait time up to 10%, that's nearly 1/2 a minute saved every day, 3 1/2 minutes a week, 3 hours a year. This means you can get a good return on the time it took you to overclock your device, assuming you'll keep it for a couple of years. So if that's the case, why not do it? You'll save some time and you'll enjoy using your device a bit more.
Currently I'm OCd at max 1674 Mhz @ 1225mV, otherwise using default Franco voltages and interactive governor. Stable and very snappy Might be able to reduce voltage and retain stability but this is fine.

zakoo2 said:
not according to my experiences, and i did play with oc/uc and voltage quite a bit. i always ended up going back to stock on the n4 (not on my old motodefy though) because of the drainage.
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OC? Don't you mean Downclocking or Undervolting?
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I said little OC. Example. Stock cpu clock is 1000mhz and 1000mv. Now, you OC your phone to 1200,1300mhz without changing voltage, or by increasing it a little bit(+25, +50mv, to make phone stable), it will use higher cpu frequency with the same voltage like on lower frequency or with a little higher voltage. So it would finish tasks faster, going to idle faster without getting any heat and give you more battery. On my nexus s and galaxy s3, galaxy s2, i tested it, and it helped (about 30min more screen on time for me). But if you play games a lot and doing some heavy tasks then underclock and undervolt are best for you. But on that beast of phone, i woldnt underclock it beyond 1.2, 1.3, not sure what frequencies are there. If you UC that phone a lot, you can easyly go with some weaker phone.
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is there any kernel that can overclock with 4.3?

Andre_Vitto said:
is there any kernel that can overclock with 4.3?
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yes, most of them. some even overclock up to 2052mhz :victory:

simms22 said:
yes, most of them. some even overclock up to 2052mhz :victory:
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like?

Check the Development sections.
This thread makes my head hurt.