Most people here probably knows that the higher the CPU clock speed is, the higher voltage the phone needs. Which means higher clock speed results to more battery consumption. This is very simple logic, and sure, in real life practice this theory is proven to be true.
One method that is usually used to gain better performance while not necessarily waste more battery is by overclocking and in the same time undervolting. Because there obviously is a certain level of voltage needed to run a certain clock speed, the normal practice is reducing the voltage level to a bare minimum level where the CPU can still run alright while raising the highest clock speed possible. Reducing the voltage too low usually leads the phone to shut off because there isn't enough voltage for the phone to run.
By following the theories above, we can conclude that to achieve the best performance while still considering battery life, adjusting the proper OC and UV level is needed. This is obviously only talking about hardware affecting tweaks.
We now know that the main factor affecting the overall performance vs battery life turns to be the clock speed itself. Now here comes the ultimate questions.
1) How does the phone handle its clockspeed?
2) Does the voltage level change according to; a) the current clock speed the phone is running at, or b) the highest clock speed set/allowed the CPU to go?
3) Does the highest clock speed set (OC) leads to necessary higher voltage, or does the voltage accostumize itself to the running CPU level?
The most logical answer to number 1 would be that the CPU changes its clock speed according to whatever is happening and needs to be done to achieve the best performance. So the clock speed will go up when there's lots of tasks, and go down again when there's little or nothing to do.
Number 2 and 3 I can't explain, but I hope after someone with enough knowledge explains how voltage level works, we can have an answer to the following case;
IF two same phones clocked differently, one at 1ghz and the other at 1.5ghz run the the same relatively simple task for a long time, will the lower clocked one noticeably save/waste more battery than the other one? Or will they consume the same amount of battery because they would most likely be running at the same clock speed (say, at 200 ~ 600)?
Hopefully we'll have a better insight about overclocking vs undervolting
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Now here comes the ultimate questions.
1) How does the phone handle its clockspeed?
2) Does the voltage level change according to; a) the current clock speed the phone is running at, or b) the highest clock speed set/allowed the CPU to go?
3) Does the highest clock speed set (OC) leads to necessary higher voltage, or does the voltage accostumize itself to the running CPU level?
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I believe one would have to set each speed & undervolt up together if one scales the speed. I just run mine straight up at 1300MHz/1325mV all the time & set up profiles for screen off, charging, etc. I get wonderful speed & battery life.
Example:
1300MHz/1325mV
1200MHz/1275mV
1000MHz/1175mV
/800/MHz/1125mV
etc.
Each phone is different due to the variations in manufacturing.
The only way to really optimise your phone is to try all of the various settings and combinations of voltage/speed.
Set the phone to a given speed, stress test and try decreasing the voltage until you get crashes / errors. Then raise the voltage one level (or 2 if you are a bit paranoid) and that is the stable voltage for that speed.
Rinse and repeat for all other speeds...
Then set profiles in setcpu / pimpmycpu accordingly.
Job done.
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I believe one would have to set each speed & undervolt up together if one scales the speed. I just run mine straight up at 1300MHz/1325mV all the time & set up profiles for screen off, charging, etc. I get wonderful speed & battery life.
Example:
1300MHz/1325mV
1200MHz/1275mV
1000MHz/1175mV
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I think you could lower your voltages quite a bit - eg Mine runs at 1.4GHz at 1.2V
Ok my friend... so... having designed a circuit for a mobile phone myself, I'll try to explain quickly what's the deal (tradeoff) between frequency and voltage.
A CPU/GPU basically is made out of MOSFET's (transistors). Lots of them! They act like capacitors. They have to be turned on and off. At a certain frequency. So, basically they are capacitors being filled and emptied at a certain frequency.
In practice, a capacitor being filled and emptied at a high enough frequency can be seen as a resistor. A variable resistor in fact, as you can see (more or less) here:
http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/filter/filter_1.html
The thing is, the higher the frequency, the lower the equivalent resistance, because the amount of current keeps getting higher and higher. If the current value gets high enough the very tracks (you can think of them as wires) from the battery to the transistors start having a considerable drop in voltage (the resistance in these wires is supposed to be very low but it's not zero!). And if you have to much voltage drop on the wires the transistors don't get enough voltage to turn on/off.
So there you have it! That's the problem with overclocking. Voltage drop at the tracks (wires) because of increased current. You may also run into heat issues
Now, trying to answer your question, even at the same clock frequency a CPU that is processing stuff will use more energy than one that isn't "doing anything", because transistors aren't really changing state. But a CPU not doing anything at a lower clock frequency will waste less energy than another one not doing anything at a higher clock frequency, because energy is required to drive the clocking circuit itself. So it's very non-linear, you get the picture I hope
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Now, trying to answer your question, even at the same clock frequency a CPU that is processing stuff will use more energy than one that isn't "doing anything", because transistors aren't really changing state. But a CPU not doing anything at a lower clock frequency will waste less energy than another one not doing anything at a higher clock frequency, because energy is required to drive the clocking circuit itself. So it's very non-linear, you get the picture I hope
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This. This is the answer I was looking for. Thank you for the detailed explanation!
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This. This is the answer I was looking for. Thank you for the detailed explanation!
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You're welcome!
Also, to complete the answer a bit more, lower voltage also helps with getting less energy consumption, because it takes more charge to "fill" a capacitor to, let's say, 1.3 V than to 1.1 V.
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Temp < 50C 245/245 100
Screen Off 245/245 90
Charging/Full 719/245 80
Battery <40% 604/245 70
All ondemand
Temp > 42.1 528/245
Screen Off 528/160
Charging/Full 768/768
Battery <100% 768/245
that's listed by priority
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Temp > 42.1 528/245
Screen Off 528/160
Charging/Full 768/768
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Screen Off: 245-480
**Stock is 245-245. 160 as a minimum seems to produce a LOT of wait time from when the call is coming in to when the phone lights up. More than 245 seems to whack the battery.
Keep in mind, when you wake up your phone, this Screen Off SetCPU Profile is active for at least a SECOND or two. The problem is that if you have your maximum at 245, you experience BAD lag trying to pull the lock bar down. At 245-480, the maximum is high enough that a) the lock bar pulls down as smoothly as a stock Eris, and b) even if SetCPU takes a couple of seconds to change the profile, at least you're at 480mhz for the first scrolling of the screen left/right (so you don't embarass yourself in front of iphone users). Anything higher than 480mhz is a different voltage. Almost the whole time your phone is 'Screen Off', it will be operating at 245 anyway. So 480 is a good setup for it to jump up when a call comes in (to play the ringtone and show the picture a little faster, and for the lock screen bar to pull down smoothly, and the first second of SenseUI to be smooth enough, until your phone changes the profile to your <100% profile.
Battery <100% 245-806
** Zanfur's take on how this processor clocks up/down its speeds will lend itself to a general wisdom that 768mhz isn't really slower than 806mhz, and that in instances of high variability of clock speed (aka you have some Power Save bias in SetCPU keeping it lower/higher at random, or you're doing very intermittent tasks), the processor rests at 768mhz more quickly, and wastes less time/'effort' changing speeds. Changing to 806 is another 'step' altogether, where 245 to 528 is one 'step', and that to 768 is another 'step'. Going to 806 is absolutely another step yet after that (which means your phone responds a LITTLE slower because it has one more step to 'throttle' up to). BUT, if you're doing a dedicated task, such as running a Linpack benchmark (which is a terrible benchmark anyway) your phone will move faster at 806, or if you're playing a game, or playing a video... generally the processor will stick at one speed (and not have to 'step' up or down), so 806 is faster. I clock friends' phones at 768 to avoid problems, keep it clean, etc etc. Some people put the minimum here at 160mhz, but I feel that this is too low (and another 'step', just like 806 is over 768, 160 is another step down from 245).
Charing (any) 480-806
** I keep the minimum here HIGHER than when the phone is on battery, because I'm less concerned about how much energy it's consuming, and having a minimum of 480 makes the phone very snappy no matter what, from the second you touch it
Overheating > 48C 122-528
** Clock speed here matters a LOT less than just getting your phone out of the heat. This phone doesn't overheat because it's overclocked, it overheats because you run it at an overclocked speed for a long time. MOST overheating instances are from wireless tethering and from broken charging systems (that keep trying to charge the battery and generate a lot of heat). The 'Failsafe' profile here provides a 'notification' option which I HIGHLY recommend.
My ex-gf's Eris actually CAUGHT FIRE, as in it looked like it was a zippo, right above the volume buttons. It used to overheat EVERY NIGHT that it was on the charger, excessively, so hot that you couldn't touch it. For a month or two it did this, actually, and caused no real damage to the phone. Since the night of the Flame (you can actually see the melted plastic and even on the outer case - she has a blue snap shell case on it that is melted as well), the phone has NOT overheated even one time on the charger. (Sorry for the story, it was a waste of time).
The point is that, the first time it happened, her phone System sound was on Silent, and she DIDN'T hear the notification that her phone was overheating. Apparently it doesn't matter (or she's very lucky her phone isn't damaged in terms of its operation!) how much it overheats for some people, but I like to have it warn me it's getting close to 50C. The notification's the important part there (so u can cool your eris), not the clock speed.
@pkopalek I like your settings you posted with a full description of each. I changed my settings to yours and give it a day or so and will report a status update as to performance quality
I've never lagged at 160mhz =p but that could just be my phones/ roms.
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I've never lagged at 160mhz =p but that could just be my phones/ roms.
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my audio skips and it won't wake up when in a call at 160mhz. I keep mine at 245mhz minimum to keep phone working smoothly.
What does the different prioritys mean? Is that like what one its.focused on more?
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How do you guys clock your CPU so high? Whenever I try anything over 729 bad stuff happens. If I put it on 748 it lags and if i try 768 it freezes up. You guys are all using the droid eris right? What ROMs and kernels are you running? I'm on Kaosfroyo
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How do you guys clock your CPU so high? Whenever I try anything over 729 bad stuff happens. If I put it on 748 it lags and if i try 768 it freezes up. You guys are all using the droid eris right? What ROMs and kernels are you running? I'm on Kaosfroyo
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When a processor is made at the factory, it will always have flaws in it. The chip is tested to see what frequency it is stable at. So that is the speed that is stamped on the chip and the frequency that it is set at to operate for the consumer and not have any problems. When you overclock a processor, you are bypassing the frequency that the chip as been deemed to be stable at. After that, there is no set speed that your processor can handle, because each one is different according to the flaws it might have.
So in short (what I'm trying to say), the processor in your phone just can't handle those without causing problems. That's why when you overclock it, it's kind of a trial-and-error process to see what speed you can get out of it, but be careful, because too high can cause permanent damage.
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Main: 787/710
Temp > 42.1 C: 480/245 Priority: 100
Screen Off: 480/245 Priority: 95
Charging/Full: 480/245 Priority: 90
My specific issue involves SetCPU but I'm wondering about the larger scheme of how things work.
My phone gets hot in the car dock when running GPS, Navigation, and Bluetooth (I don't turn it on but I think my dock does it automatically). The general consensus is to underclock slightly when charging because charging generates heat, and I have a SetCPU profile to do that. Then comes the issue of heat generated from GPS and Bluetooth, and possibly processor load when running apps while docked, so I have two profiles for that: one to underclock a few steps down from the charging CPU speed when the temperature of the phone is at 40* C, another to clock down one more step when the temp hits 42* C, which I feel is at the point the phone gets a little too warm for use.
I've noticed that my phone doesn't necessarily stay cooler and in fact, sometimes it gets hotter than before I started using SetCPU. Over the past few days I've seen temps of near 45* C (113* F), toasty enough that I have to let my phone cool down before I can use it again.
So, my question is if underclocking too much is bad. For example, if I'm underclocking too much, does that strain the processor while it is trying to run apps and hardware? Is it better to let the system handle processor speed? I see this in driving a manual/standard transmission car - if I attack a hill in a high gear, I can eventually reach the top but with increased load on my engine. Maybe the processor speed works opposite - too low and it strains too much?
I used to be concerned about clock speed vs. battery life but now that I'm docking in my car more and noticing the heat, I'm more concerned about the heat. I'm currently using redstar's kernel but get the same results with that or the CM kernel that comes with the nightlies.
If it helps to troubleshoot, or if you want to critique me, here's my profile list.
Normal: 245 min, 998 max (default settings)
Priority 100 - temp > 42*C: 460 max, 245 min
P 90 - temp > 40*C: 499 max, 245 min
P 80 - screen off: 384 max, 245 min
P 70 - charging AC: 576 max, 245 min
(SetCPU related question, sorry if this is too far off forum topic) Are there better profile settings I could be using?
Also, I don't quite understand undervolting in terms of kernels. What effect does that have, if any?
In Zeus 6.39 ROM
(Relaxed voltage interval to [-7,7], ZeusTweaker voltage menu. Now you can set 15 different voltage states from -7 to 7 (-87500 to 87500)).
The above are the features of Zeus ROM
I don't understand what it mean, for better features how much value to set?
If we select -7, what is the result?
And if we select 7, what is the result?
sekhar13515 said:
In Zeus 6.39 ROM
(Relaxed voltage interval to [-7,7], ZeusTweaker voltage menu. Now you can set 15 different voltage states from -7 to 7 (-87500 to 87500)).
The above are the features of Zeus ROM
I don't understand what it mean, for better features how much value to set?
If we select -7, what is the result?
And if we select 7, what is the result?
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In short, a higher clock speed can require more electricity (voltage). More power = More Powerful = Faster
Lower voltages (undervolt) can cause instability at higher speeds, but can be used at lower speeds (such as at idle), resulting in a pretty aggressive power savings when the phone isn't taxed or idle.
Every processor has different tolerances to non-standard voltages and clock speeds. Your phone may vary, just because mine is stable at 1.5ghz (sadly it really isn't...), doesn't mean that yours will be.
Increasing power will also increase heat, which can decrease the lifespan of your phone. Take it one step at a time, use the phone for a day or so, than step it up a little more until you eventually find the highest level (hanging, locking, odd behavior), than dial it down a couple from there. In my humble opinion a 1.2ghz max clock speed at standard voltage is more than enough to give the phone some oomph.
For the undervolting at lower frequencies, same thing, do it a bit at a time, and dial it up a bit if you get to a point that it won't wake up, or locks up at idle or non-processor intensive tasks.
I'm sorry, but i have already searched the foruns and i did not found any explicit answer, so here it goes.
I recently moved to Zeus v6.39 ROM and i would like to understand how the zeustweak works. I mean, in order to get battery life, should i raise up the CPU frequency (and how much is it safe to raise) and lower the voltage (and, again untill what value may i do it), isn't it so? Assuming i do it, which would be the consequences for my phone?
Thanks
P.S. - is there any way of changing the receiving/making call screen layout?
Don't change, just leave default 0
99% people of Zeus 6.39 getting best battery life. I am also using with same tweak.
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The cpu frequency is the amount of calculations per second that the cpu can process so theoretically, the higher the frequency, the faster the ROM will respond. In actual fact the cpu frequency also determines how stable the ROM is and the higher you clock your processor, the more unstable it may be and the more battery it will use.
I would recommend for ultimate stability to leave it at 1000MHz but for negligible performance improvements max could be up to 1350MHz but the difference is minute.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the voltage tweak is the aggressiveness of the governor when ramping the cpu up or down (changing the frequency). The values below 0 indicate that the governor will ramp down the frequency which in turn saves battery life. Values above 0 will make the governor ramp down less aggressively and thereby increase ROM responsiveness and noticeable lag spikes but reduce battery life.
I hope that helps but don't quote me on it.
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In my test voltage tweaks works. If I set -7 i could watch the youtube for 4 hours, but when I set 0 I watched only 3 hours continuously. Someone do a test and measure power consumption on charger. With -7 drains about 30% less battery.
Sorry for bad english.
I have this tabled for a long time, but as i rarely used it i didn't bother with it much. From day one back in 2014 the tablet was sluggish and laggy, today is just unbearable even for browsing. So i have decided to take a look of what can i do.
I have installed the latest (10.26.2019) LineageOS-14.1-Deathly with gapps nano.
I have installed CPU Throttling Test from the play store and start testing to see what's going on. I saw that the CPU Throttle instantly (like in 10-15 sec max) from 1900mhz to 600mhz, and this is where the sluggishness comes from, the CPU is constantly throttled no matter that you are just looking at a simple web page.
I started playing with the Deathly Adiutor and under-voltage the cpu, set the max to 1400mhz and this is where it is stable as it is. At 1400mhz constant 100% CPU stress the CPU temps are around 90c (at 95 the cpu starts throttling). Anything above 1400mhz even with under voltages CPU results in throttling within 1-2 min, but even like that at 1400mhz and GPU set to be always used and at minimum of 480mhz (with setting in dev options to always use gpu for 2d composition) the performance was really much much better then the stock settings.
I have continued to play with it and noticed that if i apply pressure with my fingers on the back panel just below the camera where is the most hottest, the temps are dropping 10-15C, so i have opened it and i saw the issue.
The issue is that the metal shield radiators does not make a good contact with the thermal pad on the back panel, and thus can't dissipate the heat well. This may variety from user to user as some back panels will make better or worse contact, but its far from ideal.
Its good that i have some spare thermal pads around and i have applied them, and the result is perfect, drop in 12-17Cfrom stock setup under continues stress.
As a final result i have managed to bump the CPU from 1400mhz to 1600mhz with 1087mV voltage and at max 84C (down from around 90 at 1400mhz) at constant 100% CPU stress. The performance gains are around 100 to 150% (At around 42-47k GIPS up from 20-25k GIPS stock in CPU Throttling test). Additionally i have to say, its extremely easy to open the back cover panel.
Furthermore, i made an video to see how it runs and the settings i use.
https://youtu.be/_UJdjPDQB00
I'm attaching before and after the mod photos.
Quick followup, i have run 3D Mark benchmark and PCmark, see the screenshots below. Managed to achieve the world fastest Tab S, enjoy
Awesome.. I followed ur recommendations and set 1087mv at 1600mhz and its fasttttt
rihui said:
Awesome.. I followed ur recommendations and set 1087mv at 1600mhz and its fasttttt
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Thanks mate. I'm glad it helps According to 3DMark, the performance now is slightly better then Galaxy Tab A 2019, it really bring new life to this tablet and its ready to rock another couple of years
how's your battery life with minimum CPU speed at 1600
Screen on & Standby time?
rihui said:
how's your battery life with minimum CPU speed at 1600
Screen on & Standby time?
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Its not the minimum CPU frequency that gives you the performance boost, its the maximum frequency limit at 1600mhz down from 1900mhz, as i explained, to gain the performance, you need to avoid CPU from overheating and throttle down itself to the ground. That's why the max frequency with the thermal pads and improved thermals is 300mhz below the stock 1900mhz, and without the pads my max stable frequency were 1400mhz (500mhz below stock).
The minimum frequency will only smooth out initial animations and things like that, but don't have much of an impact on the overall performance. With that said, increasing the minimum frequency ofc will eat more battery and you don't need it, you can safely set it to 650mhz (as low as it allows) and depending on your kernel governor policy should have the same or better battery life. As i said, the main gainer is preventing the CPU from overheating at 1900mhz and throttle down to 650mhz where it sits most of the time with stock settings.
In fact if you limit your max frequency to 1400 or 1600mhz depending on your stable thermal results, and set minimum to 650mhz, you will see the performance gain AND significantly increased battery life due to that CPU does not go to 1900mhz and does not eat that much power and voltage. You really need to fine tune it depending on your needs, but at stock CPU throttling down to 650mhz and staying there is an manufacturer (Samsung) failure, and if i were discovered this when i bought it, i would wanted refund, as they advertise 1900mhz CPU which almost never works at that frequency.
I tested this method on other tablets and phones, and while it happens on other devices to throttle down after 5-7 mins (not after 15 sec), i have never seen to throttle more then down to 80% of the advertised frequency, but the Tab S goes almost immediately down to 35% where it stays and cripple the device. Its really really bad engineering from Samsung.
Going to try this.
Thanks
A lot better .
What thickness of thermal pad should I buy? Probably will buy from Amazon unless I need to make a trip to Microcenter. Thanks for this suggestion @nauvho
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What thickness of thermal pad should I buy? Probably will buy from Amazon unless I need to make a trip to Microcenter. Thanks for this suggestion @nauvho
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Well as you can see on the picture, the CPU bed already has one black pad by Samsung by default which is around 0.2/0.3mm i think, but it does not make contact, so i put on the CPU radiator 1mm pad and on the other radiators i put 0.5mm to equalize in case my pad is too thick. Your guide should be how easy is to close the back-plate, if you need too much force you may need thinner. So i guess you can take 0.3, 0.5 and 1mm pads.
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Wow
Applied the same settings that you show in the video and WOW! It's like a new tablet. I didn't even put thermal pads.
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Applied the same settings that you show in the video and WOW! It's like a new tablet. I didn't even put thermal pads.
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nice
just rooted t800 with MM + trw + SU.
added some thermal pads like in the pics.
installed Deathly Adiutor ....which said that doesn't like the kernel..and doesn't let to change the cpu max speed, and the voltage page doesn't even exist
installed Kernel Adiutor from playstore with which I can lower the freq, and for 1600 it works 1-2min at 27-28000GIPS then starts to throttle
louis_alphons said:
just rooted t800 with MM + trw + SU.
added some thermal pads like in the pics.
installed Deathly Adiutor ....which said that doesn't like the kernel..and doesn't let to change the cpu max speed, and the voltage page doesn't even exist
installed Kernel Adiutor from playstore with which I can lower the freq, and for 1600 it works 1-2min at 27-28000GIPS then starts to throttle
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Why are you using MM? Also, did you noticed that center pad is thicker and side ones are tinnier? what are your CPU temps? Also probably due to MM, but I'm getting around 42gpis (average) at 1.6, but you should really check your pads placement, thickness and temps, put the CPU under load note the temps before throttling down.
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Why are you using MM? Also, did you noticed that center pad is thicker and side ones are tinnier? what are your CPU temps? Also probably due to MM, but I'm getting around 42gpis (average) at 1.6, but you should really check your pads placement, thickness and temps, put the CPU under load note the temps before throttling down.
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I'm using MM since I don't know if it worth to upgrade; does this LineageOS work well...all features (cam, scanner, soud etc) works with it?
used 1mm pad over the cpu... 0.5 otherwise (china made); also removed the small factory pad and placed another pad patch there; the back cover heats well and I assume that the heat doesn't have where to go.
since it's not throttling at 1600MHZ (almost 100%, take a look at the pic)...from where to get more than 28GIPS?
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I'm using MM since I don't know if it worth to upgrade; does this LineageOS work well...all features (cam, scanner, soud etc) works with it?
used 1mm pad over the cpu... 0.5 otherwise (china made); also removed the small factory pad and placed another pad patch there; the back cover heats well and I assume that the heat doesn't have where to go.
since it's not throttling at 1600MHZ (almost 100%, take a look at the pic)...from where to get more than 28GIPS?
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I don't think removing the stock black pad were a good idea, I did not removed mine, my pad is next to it. Also CPU throttle app is not reliable to monitor cpu temp (at least for me) , you should do it by starting the throttle test and then switch to deathly auditor and monitor the temp and clock there or other app like CPUz or Aida. Look at the video how I monitored the temp. The CPU will start throttle at 93-95c so your temp of 81 cannot be accurate if it throttle. Didn't you said that you throttle at 1.6 in your previous post?
Regarding the performance I think it might be eigher app difference between mm and 7.1 or due to MM itself. And yes everything is working perfectly for me with lineage, camera, fingerprint, everything is fine and it is mile better then MM imo.
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pcmark 4330 with your mods.
so the thermal pads doesn't matter on MM.
from my testings on 7.1 the boost in pcmark comes form setting max freq 1600 + undervoltage (3000->3500), and another boost...by setting the lower freq to 1600 (3500->4300)
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installed 7.1
pcmark 4330 with your mods.
so the thermal pads doesn't matter on MM.
from my testings on 7.1 the boost in pcmark comes form setting max freq 1600 + undervoltage (3000->3500), and another boost...by setting the lower freq to 1600 (3500->4300)
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Nice.
About the pads, they matter only if the CPU temp under load drops when you apply pressure with fingers on the back cover as i explained in my first post, but idk if this apply to all tablets or just mine. The boost comes from not throttling the CPU down and being stable at maximum possible frequency. The CPU can go up to 1900mhz and beyond (2.1 by spec), but the cooling is not enough for that frequencies.
I think that adding an 0.5-1mm copper heat pipe thru radiators or copper heat pads similar to flagship phones might push it to 1.9, will order some someday and try it.
now it will be interesting ?% it's the termal mod in this boost, which means, performing the test in PCMARK only with steps 1+2:
1. LineageOS-14.1-Deathly
2. Deathly Adiutor (which requires step 1) + CPU max freq 1600 + undervoltage at that freq + CPU min freq 1600
3. Thermal pads added inside the box.
Since I started with thermal pads...I can say that in MM it doesn't matter.
-after upgrade to 7.1 as I said..PC...MArk around 3000 (thermal pads mounted)
-after setting max freq 1600 + undervoltage I got a boost in PCMark to 3600
-in addition, with min freq 1600...got another boost..to 4300; in this turbo state..the battery drains quickly, but the interface it's fast like the wind.
PCMark doesn't use CPU at 100%, it counts also how fast cand do certain short tasks...and this matters because if CPU it's in it's low power states..it loose time to rise its freq and do the calc at full power.
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now it will be interesting ?% it's the termal mod in this boost, which means, performing the test in PCMARK only with steps 1+2:
1. LineageOS-14.1-Deathly
2. Deathly Adiutor (which requires step 1) + CPU max freq 1600 + undervoltage at that freq + CPU min freq 1600
3. Thermal pads added inside the box.
Since I started with thermal pads...I can say that in MM it doesn't matter.
-after upgrade to 7.1 as I said..PC...MArk around 3000 (thermal pads mounted)
-after setting max freq 1600 + undervoltage I got a boost in PCMark to 3600
-in addition, with min freq 1600...got another boost..to 4300; in this turbo state..the battery drains quickly, but the interface it's fast like the wind.
PCMark doesn't use CPU at 100%, it counts also how fast cand do certain short tasks...and this matters because if CPU it's in it's low power states..it loose time to rise its freq and do the calc at full power.
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Thermal mode does matter alot, CPU thermals is everything, the lower temps are, the higher frequency you can push the CPU, more frequency = more performance. As i said, without the thermal pads i could not get 1.6ghz to be stable, only 1.4 were stable-ish.
In stock rom, CPU governor and states are set according to the temps with the stock cooling. But if you don't change settings it wont change much. However Samsung engineers did a terrible job with those default settings, so as i explained in my first post only doing the software changes had dramatic impact on the performance because you get the CPU stable even at 1.4, but the thermal mod push it further to 1.6
The true performance benchmark is the 3DMARK (my screenshots 3 and 4 for score "ice storm unlimited" test and "Sling Shot" test) this will push your CPU and GPU to the max, PCMark is more about daily use performance and also can be used to measure battery performance between different settings.
Yes leaving CPU with minimum of 1.6 will drain battery more quickly naturally, is using more power, i leave mine at 1.2 as minimum, but minimum speed should not matter much in benchmarks if you are using the same as mine CPU governor. CPU governor basically tells the CPU how to behave, like how quickly to rise the frequency, for how long and etc.