Upgraded to froyo JPH last night and have noticed that autokiller doesn't work so well with it. When using autokiller with all the 2.1 fw's it did it's job and you could see which apps were the empty apps etc. However with froyo the empty apps don't show up and autokiller doesn't seem to be able to perform correctly, currently I have it set to aggressive but I can see my phone go to 70mb free. I have emailed the dev but no response as of yet, anyone else had this issue or know how to fix not being able to kill empty apps ? Cheers.
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Daley87 said:
Upgraded to froyo JPH last night and have noticed that autokiller doesn't work so well with it. When using autokiller with all the 2.1 fw's it did it's job and you could see which apps were the empty apps etc. However with froyo the empty apps don't show up and autokiller doesn't seem to be able to perform correctly, currently I have it set to aggressive but I can see my phone go to 70mb free. I have emailed the dev but no response as of yet, anyone else had this issue or know how to fix not being able to kill empty apps ? Cheers.
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Why you're using a autokiller app?
The phone got ram to be used. If theres no further ram available for apps android will clear it by itself.
I´m on JPH and there's 192 of 304 MB used.
There's 112 MB free ram!
because auto killer alters androids minfree settings unlike regular task managers that kill everything, also with a bit of use my phone is displaying just over 60mb free resulting in a slow phone.
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i can't use my phone without autokiller...
jeanveupas said:
i can't use my phone without autokiller...
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Maybe you should clean up your phone. I if u installed millions of apps its clear that your phone slows down.
Daley87 said:
because auto killer alters androids minfree settings unlike regular task managers that kill everything, also with a bit of use my phone is displaying just over 60mb free resulting in a slow phone.
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Instead of Autokiller, use OCLF http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784691
I hate to change the Android default settings for file system and minfree, however after applying the lagfix, absolutely no lag and my phone flies despite several days of excessive use with all possible apps.
If you don't need Lagfix, you could still use the apk for minfree settings and apply on boot.
60MB of free RAM should not cause you any slowness issues. RAM is there to be used, I would want Android to use the entire memory and be efficient in managing virtual memory rather than WASTING RAM by NOT utilizing it for open apps.
Prankey said:
Instead of Autokiller, use OCLF http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784691
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Both programs do exactly the same. OCLF even refers to Autokiller as in "using the same names and values for defaults".
I would want Android to use the entire memory and be efficient in managing virtual memory rather than WASTING RAM by NOT utilizing it for open apps.
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With "strict" setting I always have enough ram and still dozens of reportedly running apps. The Android way of multitasking is working really good, it just needs some fine tuning with the Galaxy S. Somehow, the default settings cause too much cleaning up right when you start certain apps, this it feels laggy even though the RFS factor has been removed (e.g. with Voodoo).
gpnda said:
Maybe you should clean up your phone. I if u installed millions of apps its clear that your phone slows down.
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I have installed millions of apps, and it is running blazingly fast (using Autokiller to "strict" and Voodoo on JM8). Why shouldn't I? What else is nearly 2GB of user apps space meant for? Why are there so many apps in the store?
Prankey said:
Instead of Autokiller, use OCLF http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784691
If you don't need Lagfix, you could still use the apk for minfree settings and apply on boot.
60MB of free RAM should not cause you any slowness issues. RAM is there to be used, I would want Android to use the entire memory and be efficient in managing virtual memory rather than WASTING RAM by NOT utilizing it for open apps.
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OCLF minfree settings, minfreemanager and autokiller all do the same thing - they change the same configuration file that controls Android's memory management tool.
I agree though, that the optimal amount of free RAM seems to be 60M-70M on our phones. The default configuration in the Samsung Froyo firmwares set it to about 40M-50M (the last 3 values in minfree are 40/44/48 by default).
And also, it is a misconception that "free" RAM in Linux is wasted. The free RAM is not unused, but is used by the OS to cache the disks, which is why the phone is faster with more free RAM. On our Samsungs this has a huge effect because RFS is slow and a big disk cache will help it a lot.
You can see this by doing:
# cat /proc/meminfo
cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 311348 kB
MemFree: 16088 kB
Buffers: 12196 kB
Cached: 91344 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 185192 kB
Inactive: 44792 kB
jeanveupas said:
i can't use my phone without autokiller...
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5 big Widgets at Homescreen, 12 Apps opened (ICQ, Google Mail, Browser, MP3-Player, Touiteur, Titanium Backup, XDA, Market, ES File Explorer, YouTube and so on), 90mb free ram and the Phone is still running smooth.
Don´t know what you´re doing wrong.
Running JPH for 71 hours now without using autokiller and it has run great without much lag.
Mainly browsing internet, video, music, email and games without issue. And reply messages and calls.
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Both programs do exactly the same. OCLF even refers to Autokiller as in "using the same names and values for defaults".
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I agree, suggested as I felt "Autokiller" might not be working correctly in Froyo.
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With "strict" setting I always have enough ram and still dozens of reportedly running apps. The Android way of multitasking is working really good, it just needs some fine tuning with the Galaxy S. Somehow, the default settings cause too much cleaning up right when you start certain apps, this it feels laggy even though the RFS factor has been removed (e.g. with Voodoo).
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My experience was different. If I just use the OCLF 2.04 and do not tweak with file system and minfree settings, my phone is working perfectly no matter how many apps I load and how long I use (used alteast for 3 days without any lag issue)
PlanetJumble said:
I have installed millions of apps, and it is running blazingly fast (using Autokiller to "strict" and Voodoo on JM8). Why shouldn't I? What else is nearly 2GB of user apps space meant for? Why are there so many apps in the store?
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I COMPLETELY agree. We are not talking of Windows 9x which could not manage memory well. We are talking of Linux which should work perfectly even when we have several apps running.
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OCLF minfree settings, minfreemanager and autokiller all do the same thing - they change the same configuration file that controls Android's memory management tool.
I agree though, that the optimal amount of free RAM seems to be 60M-70M on our phones. The default configuration in the Samsung Froyo firmwares set it to about 40M-50M (the last 3 values in minfree are 40/44/48 by default).
And also, it is a misconception that "free" RAM in Linux is wasted. The free RAM is not unused, but is used by the OS to cache the disks, which is why the phone is faster with more free RAM. On our Samsungs this has a huge effect because RFS is slow and a big disk cache will help it a lot.
You can see this by doing:
# cat /proc/meminfo
cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 311348 kB
MemFree: 16088 kB
Buffers: 12196 kB
Cached: 91344 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 185192 kB
Inactive: 44792 kB
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I believe the cached portion shows as used memory. We may have to revisit this discussion. As whenever I use memory cleaners, I felt my system went worse if I keep more memory available (except for opening apps which uses the available memory instantaneously). So I doubt free memory (I am not talking of the default available memory on Android) can be used for cache when forcefully freed by these settings/apps.
Aery said:
5 big Widgets at Homescreen, 12 Apps opened (ICQ, Google Mail, Browser, MP3-Player, Touiteur, Titanium Backup, XDA, Market, ES File Explorer, YouTube and so on), 90mb free ram and the Phone is still running smooth.
Don´t know what you´re doing wrong.
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xtrememorph said:
Running JPH for 71 hours now without using autokiller and it has run great without much lag.
Mainly browsing internet, video, music, email and games without issue. And reply messages and calls.
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Completely agree, when I tweak with Minfree settings and the file system to "Deadline" it becomes more "jerky". Others might have different experience, however I strongly believe that while RFS definitely slows down write speeds, default minfree settings and the file system optimization should be optimum for "regular" use.
Every time I flash firmware, I try first without the lag fix, then with the lag fix, and finally, with autokiller, and every time autokiller has helped noticeably.
As things stand at the moment, its one app I wouldn't be without, lag fix or no lag fix.
Working well here. JPH firmware, autokiller set to strict, 91mb free. 3 days of uptime
Can anybody explain to me something about how the RAM works? So the phone has 512 mb of RAM, and only 330 available (I guess the OS takes the rest to 330). From those 330, around 100 are always used by something hidden. What is that?
Also if I stop some of the running services, sometimes that memory remains used.
What does eat my memory over time? I mean after some hours following a reboot my memory slowly starts to become used.
In the Running services tab there is a list of cached services and if I close any of them it eats more memory. How does that work?
I know, these questions are annoying.
128mb for tegra. that's why you have only 300mb+ for available memory
But why if I stop some processes such as the music player the RAM doesn't clear?
And why if I stop something from the Cached Processes tab it eats my RAM? (I can't find out what those cached processes are actually)
as far as i understand the system keeps it in memory in case you open something again and then it doesnt have to load everything over. and if there isnt enough for new apps it clears some ram.
this is not windows and the ram is supposed to be full. if im wrong about that someone correct me...
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Yes you're right but the way Android kills processes when needed can be optimized, as sometimes the system is slow to free ram. In fact there are threshold values for different situations, that say to the system to free ram.
So the solution is not a standard task killer, but an optimization of values that triggers memory clean up. It's done for example by scripts like the one I use, see in my signature.
So here I am running Infinitum (AOKP) v2.1 with Devil2 0.72, 402 MB edition.
So this is the amount of free ram I have:
~20 MB. *click*
NO WAIT! its 150 MB! *click*
errr... no... its still just ~20 MB *click*
So why would android tell me I got 150 MB of free ram and 'free' command tells me something quiet different? I really don't get it, hope some1 can enlighten me :/
Thanks!
Many apps are cached/pre-buffered like in Windows, so in reality RAM is used more. This 150MB physically is not free, but it's available for apps that needs RAM - memory from this 150MB will be 'cleared' instantly.
So I am not running critically low on memory?
But I guess more ram would anyway benefit the overall performance since android could cache/pre-buffer even more, right?
You can check Memory usage with the SystemPanel app: it will list all active applications / system processes and services / cached applications , showes what amout of ram they're using and can kill the unnecesserary apps on the spot with it!
Ram usage beyond normal. Since the purchase of the phone after couple of weeks I never had more than 450 mb free. isnt this beyond normal?? plz help me to get atleast 500-700mb ram free. thank you
Athakuri700 said:
Ram usage beyond normal. Since the purchase of the phone after couple of weeks I never had more than 450 mb free. isnt this beyond normal?? plz help me to get atleast 500-700mb ram free. thank you
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If your phone is rooted.. try force stopping apps that you are not using
And also try greenify or startup manager..
Keep all unnecessary background process close..
adikri said:
If your phone is rooted.. try force stopping apps that you are not using
And also try greenify or startup manager..
Keep all unnecessary background process close..
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What is your maximum ram free ever?? Have you crossed 500mb over??
Yes obviously..
Athakuri700 said:
What is your maximum ram free ever?? Have you crossed 500mb over??
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Yes. I was able to free 1.2gb believe or not. Besides I do lot of tweaks on its system.
I use two programs to keep my RAM usage under control on my K3 note: 1) Greenify and 2) Autokiller Memory Optimizer. Autokiller is not a task killer but a memfree setter and it works well. Both are highly recommended.
Athakuri700 said:
Ram usage beyond normal. Since the purchase of the phone after couple of weeks I never had more than 450 mb free. isnt this beyond normal?? plz help me to get atleast 500-700mb ram free. thank you
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it is normal, u shouldn't worry about free ram when using linux or android.
linux = android has different concept from windows or mac os.
linux concept = unuse resources is wasteful.
tasks r purposefully left in the ram memory so that when activiting the same tasks, it eliminates reloading thus saving much needed resources n energies.
dun use autokill tasks or any free ram apps, it defeat its purpose of linux concept.
dun worry about less ram, it will automatically remove n provide additonal ram when needed.
Seems to be an Android OS issue, every phone I owned has issues with the memory filling up and making the phone slow.
The fix is to disable Chrome, and use something lightweight as Opera Mini. Chrome will make your Facebook, Messenger apps and Android OS and System use more RAM. Chrome itself will require 100-300mb of RAM, while Opera stays below 10mb.
I'm now always above 1,2gb RAM, with Chrome I was on 800mb left, and there I started to be really slow.
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I use chrome excessive and i do not have any problems. I also don´t see any reason why a phone/pc is getting slow when there are 800 MB of RAM left. Basically this is actually good, because everything in the ram does not have to be reloaded each time. This is the concept of the RAM (and also Android and other systems). It will just get slow when the RAM is completly used and has to be cleared first to get some space
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I use chrome excessive and i do not have any problems. I also don´t see any reason why a phone/pc is getting slow when there are 800 MB of RAM left. Basically this is actually good, because everything in the ram does not have to be reloaded each time. This is the concept of the RAM (and also Android and other systems). It will just get slow when the RAM is completly used and has to be cleared first to get some space
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There is a threshold when a device starts to go slow, and that's way before it hits 0 or 500 on the RAM. 800 MB seems what this phone wants to be over of.
I have lots of apps, many that require 100-300 MB to operate.
My phone used to slow down until I just disabled Chrome. Now I'm constantly over 1,2 GB. I don't know for what reason but Chrome made apps like Facebook, Messenger... to raise their MB requirements by 30-50%, as well some for the OS, system and UI. I've been on 800 without Chrome once and it wasn't slow. Chrome messes with the RAM, requires allot and affects other apps.
When I hit 800 MB with Chrome I always had to restart, it would never go up on its own even if not used for a day.
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