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I have purchased a Diamond2 after having the Touch Diamond for a while.
I have noticed that the screen on the Diamond2 is not as whte as the D1. The "white colours" and backgrounds seem to be an off-white or even a faint yellow tint. Putting the Touch Diamond and D2 side by side I can notice an obvious difference in the whites.
Is this due to inferior LCD's (if so SHAME on you HTC) or can this be corrected by a hue enhancing application?
I also noticed that the font in the new contacts feature lacks contrast and is faint.
Has anyone else noticed these 2 things?
Aussie
aussie1234 said:
I have purchased a Diamond2 after having the Touch Diamond for a while.
I have noticed that the screen on the Diamond2 is not as whte as the D1. The "white colours" and backgrounds seem to be an off-white or even a faint yellow tint. Putting the Touch Diamond and D2 side by side I can notice an obvious difference in the whites.
Is this due to inferior LCD's (if so SHAME on you HTC) or can this be corrected by a hue enhancing application?
I also noticed that the font in the new contacts feature lacks contrast and is faint.
Has anyone else noticed these 2 things?
Aussie
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Different LCDs have different "default" color temperatures, that's to be expected....and as the new screen is of different size and resolution, possibly from a different manufacturer that the TD1, the color temperature of the TD2 display (warmer = white tends to be yellowish, colder = white tends to be bluish) is almost certainly different from the TD1 one.
What is surprising me is that you report that the TD2 is warmer than the TD1...
Based on the picture here
http://blog.omio.com/wp-content/diamond1vs2.png
I would have expected the opposite, because there u can clearly see that the TD2 is colder than TD1. Maybe it is your device that is different, or maybe it depend on the backlight intensity (although it is unlikely, reviews do not mention it and it should be quite visible)...Could you post pictures of the two screens side-by-side?
Colour Tone D1 vs D2
Hi gkai
My wife is using the D1 and when she comes home from work I will photo the two together.
The photo in the link is interesting - it's the exact opposite of what I am experiencing!
Aussie
I have it too on mine, a slight yellowish tint, not too bad, but now that you mention it, it is a little saddening.
I just think it's that .... Not all LCD's are created equal. There are a lot of things that probably effect how the LCD looks. I mean My HP computer next to my sisters and next to my brothers with the default settings all look slightly different. Mebe there is an app that will let us adjust the hue?
htc buy lcd from 2 suppliers , this is the same as for first diamond and for touch HD , one supplier do his lcd white yellowish and the other do white bluish
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htc buy lcd from 2 suppliers , this is the same as for first diamond and for touch HD , one supplier do his lcd white yellowish and the other do white bluish
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wow, i was not aware that they used 2 different LCD sources for the same models, that is quite strange. For 2 different models, no problem, but for 1 model, I would have expected that quality control would not tolerate such variations...
Good to know, now I cross finger for the colder hue (personal preference, i prefer colder displays in general)...
Every ODM/OEM does this. Apple does it too with iPhone and iPod Touch.
Yip - I noticed this too. Got mine this afternoon, had the TD1 since launch. Screen appears less vibrant - less white and less sharp
R
I have seen Diamonds with "cool" and Diamonds with "warm" screens. It's normal.
There must be an app for this, even in theory
the tcpmp app can change its' video output settings, and i know there are programs by nyditot for virtual screen sizes, we must be able to make a "display properties" app?
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the tcpmp app can change its' video output settings, and i know there are programs by nyditot for virtual screen sizes, we must be able to make a "display properties" app?
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Not so sure about that, the main reason why I have some doubt is that WinMo support only 16 bit colors (65535 different colors).
So basically there is 2 possibilities:
1) The colors are taken from a color lookup table coded on 24 bits, which give for each of the 65535 possibilities R, G and B value coded on 8 bits.
2) The colors are fixed, maybe using 5 bits for 32 levels of Red, 5 bit on Green, and 5 bits on Blue (1 bit may represent transparent state, or complementary, or be unused...)
if 1), easy, correcting the screen is just a matter of changing the colors in the lookup table, and with 8 bits (256 levels) to play with for R, G and B, you can fool the eye. Only problem is to find the lookup table in memory.
if 2), it is much more difficult (colors are hardcoded everywhere), and 32 levels is not enough to fool the eye anyways, it would lead to strange color effects, probably not worth it.
Last possibility, that the LCD controller of MSM7200 have some parameters that are software-tunable. Then, it may include a color correction.... I doubt this, but there is certainly somebody here that can tell
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wow, i was not aware that they used 2 different LCD sources for the same models, that is quite strange. For 2 different models, no problem, but for 1 model, I would have expected that quality control would not tolerate such variations.....
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Also quite common in flatscreen TVs, laptops and LCD monitors as well. Very common.
LCDs screens are more or less a commodity by now, so its just a matter of defining specs and size.
Visibility on sunlight
Hello good people, owners of D2...
I am now using Trinity, and I had Artemis before.
But before Artemis I had Axim x50v...
Eversince I have started using HTC devices, one thing bothers me very much.
I live in Israel, and as you probably know/heard , we have sunny days here, most time of the year. So, the problem is, to, actually, see anything on the screen of my HTC device,when I am outside, on sunlight. Dell wasn't perfect also (Nokia is still the best),but it was like 10 times better than HTC.
I am planning to upgrade to D2, but that visibility issue is crucial for me.
Few days ago I had a chance to play with HD, and saw that it has some "new
technology" screen, which was much more visible on sunlight.
Does D2 use same "new technology" screen, or , in general, is it well visible
on sunlight?
Thank you in advance!
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Hello good people, owners of D2...
I am now using Trinity, and I had Artemis before.
But before Artemis I had Axim x50v...
Eversince I have started using HTC devices, one thing bothers me very much.
I live in Israel, and as you probably know/heard , we have sunny days here, most time of the year. So, the problem is, to, actually, see anything on the screen of my HTC device,when I am outside, on sunlight. Dell wasn't perfect also (Nokia is still the best),but it was like 10 times better than HTC.
I am planning to upgrade to D2, but that visibility issue is crucial for me.
Few days ago I had a chance to play with HD, and saw that it has some "new
technology" screen, which was much more visible on sunlight.
Does D2 use same "new technology" screen, or , in general, is it well visible
on sunlight?
Thank you in advance!
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D2 is like or a little better than HD in sunlight
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D2 is like or a little better than HD in sunlight
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it's still not that good though!
I have to turn away from the sun to actually see anything on my screen
I have a TD2 my mate has a HD, yesterday we were comparing the screens outside in bright sunlight and to me, they both looked pretty similar - i.e still hard to read but better than my wifes LG Renoir which we coulcn't see at all. I have yet to come across any phone that performs really well in direct sunlight, not that it bothers me - don't get much sunshine where I live!!
Thank you very much for your answers, and for helping me to make a decision!
If it is like HD, it means it is much better than Trinity...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoSQPuW2xA
I saw this video, and the yellow tint appears to be very prominent. I have two questions:
Is it really this bad in person, particularly regarding video playback? Can it possibly be a alleviated/fixed with a firmware update like on the iphone? http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/07/tip-updating-iphone-to-3a347-reduces-yellow-tinge.ars
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Aisorik said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoSQPuW2xA
I saw this video, and the yellow tint appears to be very prominent. I have two questions:
Is it really this bad in person, particularly regarding video playback? Can it possibly be a alleviated/fixed with a firmware update like on the iphone? http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/07/tip-updating-iphone-to-3a347-reduces-yellow-tinge.ars
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You can not look at a photograph or video to determine the screens colour temperature or bias towards being a cold or warm white, this is because the equipment recording the screen is unlikely to be able to adjust it's white balance setting accurately, so you are not watching a true representation, and if was completely accurate, the white balance would then be as your monitor presents it.
On mine the screen the looks a warmer white compared to a Tytn II which looks more cold, both are absolutely okay.
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Phil
I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
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Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
I haven't received my Galaxy S yet but everytime I use my friend's I think the screen is just too blueish. Mostly the white parts. And I also think a "square field" is visible all over the screen. Is this because the resolution is too low compared to the size?
The phone itself is great so I still want it, but I'm afraid the screen will make me disapointed, especially since I've read so much about the Super AMOLED is so great.
Are all Galaxy S' screens like this?
What is the "square field"? please explain better.
And let's start from clearing the point of resolution/size-
800X480 is more than enough to go up to 7". If anything, it might be the pentile matrix that the screen uses.
I guess it's these "squares" I see: http://www.engadget.com/photos/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-display-face-off/#3115591
You're probably right that it's more the pentile matrix I notice more than lack of resolution.
I cant understand why many reviews says this screen is very good when it's very noticable.
I've seen mentions of different Galaxy S phones having different colour temperatures, though mine seems fairly cool.
PenTile does, unfortunately, make text less sharp, and there is a bit of a screen-door effect (I think that's the term you're looking for). It's a tradeoff for having a Super AMOLED screen - excellent contrast and very bright, but not as good as a TFT for text. I've become accustomed to it though, despite my misgivings (but a non-PenTile SAMOLED really would be the best screen without question).
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I've seen mentions of different Galaxy S phones having different colour temperatures, though mine seems fairly cool.
PenTile does, unfortunately, make text less sharp, and there is a bit of a screen-door effect (I think that's the term you're looking for). It's a tradeoff for having a Super AMOLED screen - excellent contrast and very bright, but not as good as a TFT for text. I've become accustomed to it though, despite my misgivings (but a non-PenTile SAMOLED really would be the best screen without question).
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What's the good side with PenTile? And yes, I've searched for "screen-door effect" and it seems as if that is what I'm seeing.
Yes, Galaxy S display seems to have quite high colour temperature. You can sort of calibrate it using the calibration app that was developed for Nexus One a while ago and is now part of CM6, but you have to run Froyo, install it manually and lose video overlay, so it's not really usable right now. Nevertheless I've managed to calibrate my SGS to more or less 6500K using it.
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Yes, Galaxy S display seems to have quite high colour temperature. You can sort of calibrate it using the calibration app that was developed for Nexus One a while ago and is now part of CM6, but you have to run Froyo, install it manually and lose video overlay, so it's not really usable right now. Nevertheless I've managed to calibrate my SGS to more or less 6500K using it.
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What is the downside of losing video overlay?
Not being able to play back videos and shoot pictures and videos Or, to be precise - you can do all of that, but all you see is white screen
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Not being able to play back videos and shoot pictures and videos Or, to be precise - you can do all of that, but all you see is white screen
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Oh. Well, guess I'm not going with that solution then
But since it can be done through software, does it mean that Samsung could make an update and fix this?
I had this on my old galaxy S and coming from the x10's tft it was painfully obvious the white colour had a blue/green tint to it. I then got it replaced and the tint was still there but not so obvious. Now after a while the white colour looks perfect white. I think my eyes have adjusted or something.
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I had this on my old galaxy S and coming from the x10's tft it was painfully obvious the white colour had a blue/green tint to it. I then got it replaced and the tint was still there but not so obvious now after a while the white colour looks perfect white. I think my eyes have adjusted or something.
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Ok, guess I'll have to wait until I get my before I know how bad it is.
My friend got a blueish Galaxy S I9000. Mine isnt that much!! Next to his looks like mine is Redish, but mine next to my Monitor looks blueish! I believe some Screens have more blue tint than others
Mine is very white. Put the phone on a white screen (using a screen torch app) and the screen looks whiter than a piece of white paper.
Hey all, keep us updated if there's any application that can change the color temperature without affecting the functionality.
I got the phone a few days ago and my friend's is defenitly more blueish than mine. I dont notice the screen-door effect anymore so I'm very very happy with it.
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I´ve read something on a German Mobile Phone Review Site (don´t know the which one it was now) and they said, that this is normal, because of the AMOLED Tecnology. They said that the Colors will loose the intensity over the years and as blue is the most energetic Color in the spectrum it looses faster the intensity. That is why it looks now maybe a little bit diferent. After a while it should normalise, because it was planned by the manufactures.
Ok found the Site. Heres the translation:
Higher blue components of the display of the Galaxy S may have been deliberately created by Samsung with the idea that the blue OLEDs are aging much faster than green or red. After months of use should mitigate this effect and color balance to be balanced.
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But since it can be done through software, does it mean that Samsung could make an update and fix this?
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They could do that if they wanted to, yes. But don't expect them to do so, I don't think colour temperature is of any importance to them if it stays within usable range.
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Hey all, keep us updated if there's any application that can change the color temperature without affecting the functionality.
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Got this tip a while ago on some other thread - you can start Video player, play some video, go to Settings and change the Colour tone to Warm. It stays changed even when you leave the player. It's not perfect, but it helps a bit.
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I had this on my old galaxy S and coming from the x10's tft it was painfully obvious the white colour had a blue/green tint to it. I then got it replaced and the tint was still there but not so obvious. Now after a while the white colour looks perfect white. I think my eyes have adjusted or something.
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Actually, YES! Your eye do adjust to the white that you are looking at.
You've been doing this all of your life and haven't noticed it. The light in the morning is a very different color than the light at noon. In the morning, it is likely very red if the weather is good, and very white at noon... yet everything looks normal to you... because your eyes adapt to the color.
Adjusting to your screen is the same way. But compare it side by side with another screen and one or the other is going to look "wrong", usually the one you haven't been staring at all day!
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I got the phone a few days ago and my friend's is defenitly more blueish than mine. I dont notice the screen-door effect anymore so I'm very very happy with it.
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Congratulations, your brain has created a special filter, using a process called "adaption", by the human vision scientists, that blocks the screen-door effect. You didn't know it, but your brain created one years ago that blocked out the 'striped-lawn' effect caused by the columns of RGB subpixels on conventional color displays. That 'striped-lawn' effect was just as visible the first time you saw one, but that was likely many years ago.
Okay so this blue tint thing is somewhat strange, still no clear answers.
Some people are saying "this is normal for super amoleds." I have to disagree. If this was normal, then every single Super Amoled would have this blue tint. I've put my samsung galaxy s vibrant side by side next to the samsung galaxy s epic, fascinate, captivate and other vibrants. Some have a blue tint, and others don't. Others have nice rich whites, while some like mine have a blue tint.
Makes no sense, so I'm not buying the "all super amoleds have this blue tint" statement. They don't all have them!
I've used my phone for over 2 months now, and the blue tint is not fading at all. Something else people said. I don't plan to keep this phone for 10 years, waiting for the blue to fade, I want nice white now, not blue whites.
Anyone have any updates on this blue tint some galaxy s phones show?
Ok so I was about 98% set on purchasing the G2x/O2x but then realized it had a WVGA screen. Isnt that outdated?
I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if WVGA is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
Personally i prefer the screen on the O2X, i don't like the colors on the Amoled, not realistic at all
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The IPS screen on O2x are brighter, sharper and with better colours than Amoled - its also better in the sun and have as good viewing angles as Amoled. The only thing where Amoled are slightly better is pure black. It's the same type of screen as the Iphone4 (actually its LG that manufactures the screen for Iphone4 to Apple) - except the Iphone4 screen has higher resolution.
You wont be disappointed about the screen on the O2x - it is very good.
Mate. LG screen clarity is outstanding, sunlight, clublighting, office home you name it. I run it with auto off and at approximately 20%. So brighter is available.
You will not be disappointed.
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Thank you for all the responses and clearing up. I was lookiing everywhere for the info on what the screen was, it was strange because one site just said "WVGA" for g2x and the galaxy it said AMOLED so I wasn't sure.
G2x is now still at the top of my list =) I am deciding between this and when the Galaxy S II comes out, seems like slightly better hardware, but dont know other details
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WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
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Indeed and amazing better as the Amoled from my HTC Desire S only the black isn't pure black in some cases but hence the vivid colors and the overall screen make up for it big time
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I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if [LCD] is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
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I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
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I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
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Thanks, a viewpoint I was looking for =) I guess that eases me. Yeah I was concerned about the viewing angles, crisp of the colors and daylight viewing.
Do yourself a favour and go somewhere where you can look at the O2x screen live - anyone having concerns about the screen should do that - and be pleasently surprised
It really is very good - high contrast, high brightness, excellent colours with no banding, excellent deep blacks (for an LCD), good viewing angles etc. - viewing pictures of real life scenarios on the screen is a treat.
It actually makes my Desire Amoled screen look slightly dull
I sit on a bus and can read just fine. And its been really sunny where i am at the mo.
This screen is fantastic compared to my HTC Hero lol!!
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The screen is really nice. Im very convinced, also in bright sunlight I can read the screen well enough.
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LCD vs OLED
I wish people would just stop using 3-4 letter abbreviations for screen resolutions. In the early days (80s and 90s) there only were a few of these abbreviations and they signified a lot more than just resolution, like color depth and graphics capabilities, but now they're just confusing. Why not just put the two numbers and save everyone the trouble of having to google what WXSDHDGA (don't bother, I just made it up ... at least, I hope so) is supposed to be.
Back on topic.
OLED
Black is really, totally black. The contrast ratio is technically infinite, but that isn't just a good thing, as it hurts my eyes in the dark. It's a bit like staring at a television in a pitch black room.
Colors are more vivid (read: oversaturated). Most people love that but to me it just looks unnatural. Like kid's toys.
The pixels will degrade rather quickly and lose brightness in the process. Since each primary color ages at a different rate your color balance will shift. You should be good for 2-3 years, though.
As long as the image displayed is mostly black or dark, it'll use less power than LCD, on bright images a lot more. Setting your background to pitch-black is a real power-saver on these devices.
Most OLED displays currently on the market use something called a PenTile matrix (see http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...exus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/ or just google it), where each pixel only has 2 subpixels instead of 3. As a result pixels cannot independently display every color but need to work together with adjacent ones, which reduces the effective resolution of the display by at least 1/3. Photos and Videos still look fine, but text gets ragged colored edges and is a lot harder to read than on an LCD.
Handsets with OLED+PenTile matrix, f. ex.: Samsung Galaxy S, Nexus One
Handsets with OLED+full matrix, f. ex.: HTC Legend, Samsung Galaxy S2
LCD
You won't get black, only dark gray, because light emitted from the backlight can't be perfectly masked. As long as the display is on it will emit light.
Power usage is just dependent on the brightness setting, not on the content displayed.
AFAIK all current LCD displays have a full subpixel matrix
A lot of the rest, like color, viewing angles etc. depends on the panel type used. Usually that's TFT, which is kind of meh, the premium choice is IPS (iPhone 4 and some LG phones, like most (all?) 2x variants).
The choice between a (full matrix) OLED screen and an IPS LCD is a matter of personal choice, if you can't get either, get a TFT LCD. Personally I'd never buy anything with PenTile, but, well, some people like it so YMMV.
Going by my preferences and specs alone, the iPhone 4 currently has the best mobile display, followed by the LG Optimus Black / Speed (2x). Since I don't like iOS that would make the 2x the handset of choice, if I needed a new one right now. As it is, I'll wait for the SGS2 and see how that stacks up, first.
I'm brand new to the world of Smartphones, and hence don't have much perspective, but I DO have direct experience comparing the 2 types.
I started last week with a Samsung Galaxy S 4G with the SAMOLED(+?) screen. The screen on the Samsung was very, very nice. As others have said, the blacks are TRUE black and hence everything tends to "pop" more. Think of it kinda like a plasma vs an LCD HDTV. Plasma blacks just can't be beaten by an LCD.
I moved to the G2X two days ago, mostly because I decided I wanted as close to a stock Android experience as possible AND a more future-proof dual core phone. I have NO complaints about the screen on the G2X. Sure, the blacks aren't quite as black, but the colors look great, it's bright and readable, and I don't use a black background anyway. As an added bonus, it is MUCH easier to read in sunlight than the SAMOLED was on the Galaxy.
Just got mine today. Nice phone, but the screen.....
The top left and right corners of the screen have a small white glow, the same as some lcd tv's had in the beginning. So the "color" black isn't covering my whole screen....
This is NOT my phone, but just to show you where the glowing parts are.
Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Acti666 said:
Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Nope it isn't the bar . Already called with the vip service of LG, and I will get a new phone next week
Best service ever!!!!!
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Rusty! said:
Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
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The UK Nexus S isn't S-LCD, it is S-AMOLED.
The i9023 is sold here and is S-LCD, we get the i9020 as well though.
Just noticed that I can visibly see the LED pixels on the screen.. Anyone else have this happen after having the phone for a bit?
It's 493ppi so seeing 1 OLED pixel seems out there even for most people. I have 20/10 vision correct with contacts and I can't see them even if I try. Maybe if I had a dead pixel I could see it, but normally I can't see anything.
My display looks like Christmas tinsel
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My display looks like Christmas tinsel
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Can you take a picture of it with another phone? If it looks like that I would RMA it.
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Can you take a picture of it with another phone? If it looks like that I would RMA it.
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I couldn't get the other phone to focus on the pixels. I put in a request with AT&T for a replacement under warranty.. Just concerned with the build quality of the device since I've only owned it for a couple weeks and have this issue. Its a damn expensive device to have issues like this.
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I couldn't get the other phone to focus on the pixels. I put in a request with AT&T for a replacement under warranty.. Just concerned with the build quality of the device since I've only owned it for a couple weeks and have this issue. Its a damn expensive device to have issues like this.
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I didn't have that issue on my first Nexus 6 but I did have a camera issue. My second one is excellent no issues so far. I had my first one for 7 weeks before I had to RMA it.
I have perfect vision (my optometrist is jealous) and I can't resolve individual pixels on the display when held at "normal" distances.
After using the Nexus 6 though, I can resolve the pixels on my N7 LTE under certain conditions, after never having noticed it before. Drives me nuts.
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I have perfect vision (my optometrist is jealous) and I can't resolve individual pixels on the display when held at "normal" distances.
After using the Nexus 6 though, I can resolve the pixels on my N7 LTE under certain conditions, after never having noticed it before. Drives me nuts.
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That's how it is when I use Mt wife's S5 it's almost annoying because I can see them sometimes when I didn't used to. That started after having my G3 for the past 7 months
So just to be clear, when y'all are looking at the screen with a white background, you don't see red, blue, and green dots, correct?
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So just to be clear, when y'all are looking at the screen with a white background, you don't see red, blue, and green dots, correct?
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Yes that's correct.
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So just to be clear, when y'all are looking at the screen with a white background, you don't see red, blue, and green dots, correct?
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Not corrected. I can see them also. It is mostly because of the uneven pentile pixel layout. Coming from an LG G3 which is stripe RGB you will definitely see a difference in quality. G3 is much more ordered and cleaner vs N6 a bit grainy with slight pink side. However, in my opinion it is an illusion because of a vertical vs diagonal layout. In both cases the blend is even.
My guess is that your new unit will not be any different.
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Not corrected. I can see them also. It is mostly because of the uneven pentile pixel layout. Coming from an LG G3 which is stripe RGB you will definitely see a difference in quality. G3 is much more ordered and cleaner vs N6 a bit grainy with slight pink side. However, in my opinion it is an illusion because of a vertical vs diagonal layout. In both cases the blend is even.
My guess is that your new unit will not be any different.
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My previous device was the G2 and in certain lights you can see the pixels with the screen off, especially outdoors. However, I don't see the pixel arrangement with the screen off on the N6; and I don't recall seeing the pixels prior to today.. Maybe it wasn't evident at first and maybe my eyes are now focused on the pixels, but I don't think you should be able to see RGB light reflections when viewing the phone display straight on. My HP laptop has the same affect when the screen has some wet spots; but the fact is, I can wipe dry those spots and the RGB reflections are gone. I don't have time to go to a brick and motor store to view the phones on display, and the new device should be in my hands mid-week.
Here's a thought - I installed the Skinomi Techskin a few days ago (probably a week now). Wondering if this screen protector is causing this?
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My previous device was the G2 and in certain lights you can see the pixels with the screen off, especially outdoors. However, I don't see the pixel arrangement with the screen off on the N6; and I don't recall seeing the pixels prior to today.. Maybe it wasn't evident at first and maybe my eyes are now focused on the pixels, but I don't think you should be able to see RGB light reflections when viewing the phone display straight on. My HP laptop has the same affect when the screen has some wet spots; but the fact is, I can wipe dry those spots and the RGB reflections are gone. I don't have time to go to a brick and motor store to view the phones on display, and the new device should be in my hands mid-week.
Here's a thought - I installed the Skinomi Techskin a few days ago (probably a week now). Wondering if this screen protector is causing this?
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So are you talking about seeing pixels when the screen is on or when the screen is off?
The die of the pixel arrangement will be visible under certain angle in just the right light when the screen is off.
Also, screen protectors can cause this to be amplified for sure. It all depends on the quality of that screen protector.
This characteristic is just one of those things you have to put up with when you're dealing with resolution cheating samsung crappy pentile amoled displays. I was hoping that the QHD would be enough to overcome the pentile, but that doesn't seem to be entirely the case for some.
At least (if tmo ever decides to actually ship it) it won't be as bad as my last cheating samsung amoled... a 4" 800x480.
I figured going into this, that the display would be pretty crappy. Too big, and amoled pentile... but after suffering with non-nexus devices for a few years (last one was a "nexus zero" -- ADP1...), I just don't feel like fighting with the thing, so fact of being a nexus > crappy display.