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[Q] Apps kept coming back after autokill -> memory leak -> lag

Hi all,
1. I've got these applications (Smartone-Vodophone SV app, 5 days weather, google map, social hub and such) that would keep coming back, relaunching themselves even after I put them onto my task manager's autokill list. Seems like they would wait around for me to enable the wifi/3G connection and then launch themselves. I even installed other apps to disable autolaunch and they would still launch themselves in the background every now and then. I had to kill them every time I unlocked my screen and these "launching and killing" cycles eventually depleted my memory down to below 100MB, making the lag situation even worse. Does anyone know how I can stop them from launching, without having to uninstall these apps?
2. I haven't installed the lagfix and I understand that the fix has to do with reformatting the apps' partition with a faster file system to reduce the lag (probably by giving it faster I/O access to the program's binaries?) I'm still waiting for Froyo, which should be out in a couple of weeks in my country. Does anyone know if Froyo would take care of this file system problem? Even with the Froyo or one-click lag fix, it still would not solve the apps launching and memory leak problem, right?
3. I notice that after I've installed more apps, the lag situation got worse. I was playing some songs on the external SD cards and it choked once in a while. I made sure I killed all the other apps and that I still got 100+MB to run just this one song player app and yet it would still choke. This tells me that the lag has nothing to do with available memory. And the player app was stock that came with the phone so there shouldn't be any fragmentation issue (apps installed later might have?) that makes it run slow. And if its the bad file system, this app, running all by itself, should have all the I/O bandwidth to itself so the access to the app's binaries should not have any lag... and neither should the access to the songs on the external SD card. So what exactly is causing the lag then? I don't see how the lagfix would solve this problem either. I actually have read that the lags would come back after a period of usage even with the lagfix. Anyone got an insight to this problem? What exactly is causing the lag? and why installing more apps seem to make it worse? and would Froyo be able to fix all these problems?
Thanks a lot.

@boarder838
I think you really need to read a lot more about just how Android works as you seem to have some strange ideas about how it works.
To start with you need to realise that having 200mb or 100mb of free Ram makes zero difference to performance only when you have no free Ram is it a problem and even then the system will sort it out for you by closing the least used program. Free Ram is just wasted Ram as it's not doing anything and will not make your device respond or work faster using a Auto Task Killer is wasting your battery and slowing down your device not speeding it up and saving battery as you seem to think. As i have pointed out above stop obsessing over your free Ram amount as unless you have none its not a problem stop using a Task Killer and you will most probably see your device responds faster as its not constantly killing things and just leaves them open doing nothing in the back ground which doesn't use Ram or Battery so just leave them be.
Yes Froyo will bring many improvements to our devices but won't fix a problem that doesn't exist re memory leaks and apps launching that you seem to think you have. I don't know but some of those apps may be system apps that need to run all the time which is why they keep relaunching. As for a lag fix well that's what we are all hoping for but if not I'm pretty sure the great people of this forum will come up with an easy to apply fix to it.
I have absolutely no problem playing Music or even streaming it over Bluetooth no lag stutters or break ups at all although my Music is on the Internal SD card. Maybe you should look at the quality that you have encoded your Music in as that may be causing problem. maybe some of the apps you have installed are also causing a problem but its impossible to know as we all install different apps and have different set ups.
I don't know how much experience you have with Android devices or flashing Roms but if you read enough and understand it you have the possibility to flash custom Rom's and various tweaks and fixes to make your device how you want it. That's part of the beauty of Android but don't rush into anything you are not sure about as you can end up with an expensive brick so read things many times and make sure you understand step by step what you are doing if you are going to attempt any of these things.
If you look at my signature you will see i am running a Custom Rom that includes a lag fix and various other tweaks it also allowed me to remove some of the programs in the official Rom that i didn't want or need. For me my device runs nice and smooth and fast of course I'm looking forward to Froyo and all the improvements that will bring but I'm quite happy with my Galaxy S the way it is now. Oh and this is my second Android device and I've never used a Task Killer never mind an Auto Task Killer and have never seen an out of Ram message either.
Marc

exactly what he said ^

Hi Marc,
Thanks for spending time to read through my long post and reply to it. I probably didn't explain my problem clearly in my post.
There were a couple of reasons I wanted to kill/stop the apps from starting:
1. Even before I installed any of those apps killer, I noticed that the available memory kept going down after a couple days of usage and it went down to below 100M. I figured some of the apps would need 10's of MB to run so I thought I should at least keep 100MB around so that it wouldn't run out of memory and start swapping when I start those apps. I don't know enough about Android but I assume its just like linux or other OS, when it runs out of physical memory, it would start swapping and slow things down. Even after I started using task killer and killed all the other tasks, the memory level would still not recover. That seems to point to a memory leak problem but using "Memory Booster" to do garbage collection seems to help. Still, it would be nice to be able to stop them from launching in the first place. <-- my first question.
2. I do not want any jobs/processes/apps that I don't need to run in the background to drain my battery. I don't think I can say for sure that those apps are all just idling and not using much CPU/battery. There are quite a few of them so if each of them use some CPU time/battery, it will add up eventually. Note that these are not system processes (or daemons as in unix's init.d). They are crappy apps from the cellular provider so I'm pretty sure they don't have to be running (they're probably just collecting my personal data or smth). I just thought there would be a way to stop them from launching without uninstalling them.
Thanks for answering my question regarding Froyo. If they would do the filesystem lagfix then I'll just wait for that update.
As for the music stuttering problem, my songs are on the external SD card but my old Nokia E85 phone has no problem playing with those songs on the same SD card. As I have pointed out in my last question, I was only running one app and with plenty of memory so it had nothing to do with available memory. I also suggested that however bad the filesystem was, the I/O bandwidth should still be enough to run this one music player app (access the program binary/libraries?) and to retrieve data from external SD card to play the music smoothly. So applying the lagfix probably won't help this problem though I still haven't tried the lagfix. Now I'm thinking that one of the task killer might be killing some system processes which were needed by the music player. I probably should uninstall all these task killers and see if it would help.
I have gotten the phone for only a couple of weeks so I haven't gotten around to try flashing different roms or rooting my phone. There's so much info scattered around on the web and I can't seem to find a source that really has the authority or complete information. I'll see if I have time later to look into all the tweaks and such but for now its just a phone to me and I just want it to run smoothly without having to spend too much effort to tune it.
Don't get me wrong. I still love the flexibility and customization opportunities provided by the Android platform and I just love to show off my "Beautiful Weather Widget", "Live Aquarium Wall Paper" and my cool 3D scrolling "Launcher Pro" to my iphone4 buddies and make them drool.
Thanks for you comment and let's hope Froyo will bring us a smooth running and stable platform.
Dogmann said:
@boarder838
I think you really need to read a lot more about just how Android works as you seem to have some strange ideas about how it works.
To start with you need to realise that having 200mb or 100mb of free Ram makes zero difference to performance only when you have no free Ram is it a problem and even then the system will sort it out for you by closing the least used program. Free Ram is just wasted Ram as it's not doing anything and will not make your device respond or work faster using a Auto Task Killer is wasting your battery and slowing down your device not speeding it up and saving battery as you seem to think. As i have pointed out above stop obsessing over your free Ram amount as unless you have none its not a problem stop using a Task Killer and you will most probably see your device responds faster as its not constantly killing things and just leaves them open doing nothing in the back ground which doesn't use Ram or Battery so just leave them be.
Yes Froyo will bring many improvements to our devices but won't fix a problem that doesn't exist re memory leaks and apps launching that you seem to think you have. I don't know but some of those apps may be system apps that need to run all the time which is why they keep relaunching. As for a lag fix well that's what we are all hoping for but if not I'm pretty sure the great people of this forum will come up with an easy to apply fix to it.
I have absolutely no problem playing Music or even streaming it over Bluetooth no lag stutters or break ups at all although my Music is on the Internal SD card. Maybe you should look at the quality that you have encoded your Music in as that may be causing problem. maybe some of the apps you have installed are also causing a problem but its impossible to know as we all install different apps and have different set ups.
I don't know how much experience you have with Android devices or flashing Roms but if you read enough and understand it you have the possibility to flash custom Rom's and various tweaks and fixes to make your device how you want it. That's part of the beauty of Android but don't rush into anything you are not sure about as you can end up with an expensive brick so read things many times and make sure you understand step by step what you are doing if you are going to attempt any of these things.
If you look at my signature you will see i am running a Custom Rom that includes a lag fix and various other tweaks it also allowed me to remove some of the programs in the official Rom that i didn't want or need. For me my device runs nice and smooth and fast of course I'm looking forward to Froyo and all the improvements that will bring but I'm quite happy with my Galaxy S the way it is now. Oh and this is my second Android device and I've never used a Task Killer never mind an Auto Task Killer and have never seen an out of Ram message either.
Marc
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Oh I found the problem with stuttering music. It was the "beautiful weather widget"! I tried removing all the task killers and aquarium etc and it still wouldn't work. As soon as I removed the weather widget there was no problem with music playback anymore. Anyone has the same problem that pretty weather widget?? I've already set the refresh period to every 3 hours but it still wouldn't help?!

Stock vs custom - multitasking

So, i've tried many different roms out there on my SGS. Never got any major issue with flashing or setting them up. Supposedly a custom rom has something improved but there was one think i kept thinking they all fail and i was wondering if anyone else feels the same.
I see random posts all the time telling how great multitasking in android is. But all these roms i keep using try their very best to close just about everything i have running. As far as i can tell, a few seconds after i switch to anything else, my first app gets closed. For example, everytime i'd leave browsing to manage what im listening to or sort out files on some file manager i'd find i needed to open my browser again instead of being there opened and waiting for me to return.
After searching for a while, the best explanation i could find out is to prevent battery drain from opened apps and to keep things smooth by having free ram, which kind of makes sense. Goes against what i read in a paper from google about android multitasking but fair enough.
Except the other day i happened to returned to a froyo stock rom (JS8 with darkcore 1.4) on my SGS and found out this does not happen. Apps stay open for the most part, except when i run something really heavy (like a game). And i dont really notice any performance decrease or extra battery drain from my usual usage.
Granted, i could be just told something along the lines "well dude, just use whatever works for you" and i totally plan on doing so, hence me experimenting, but thats not really my point. What i'm going for is, are custom roms being overzealous? because this really spoils any attempt at multitasking...
Again, this is not a rant of any sort, i was just wondering what are other people's thoughts about it

I'm suffering same problem
i want to have the browser and messenger at the same time
it close one after swetching to the other
i have 80mb free ram

I had the same problems, although lack of multitasking appeared on my stock rom, not a custom... sgs couldn't handle faceboom messager, viber, and a browser at the same time, everytime I switch from my browser to something else - it gets killed, which is frustrating
at the same time I saw how nexus s work, and how much free memory it has, compared to mine, the difference was huge!
I tried cyanogen at first, which was very close to stock nexus s, but it doesn't work good with sgs's camera and crashes once in a while
so eventually I installed JVT with voodoo and uninstalled different samsung stock apps, which gave me about 50mb of additional RAM compared to stock, and there doesn't seem to be any aggressive memory cleaners working, so I can now finally switch between all the apps I need

If you want the best roms for multitasking, go for the final builds of Froyo 2.2.1. They have plenty of free ram and are very smooth. I'd recommend Froyo ZSJPK. You can download it from XDA.

I think it depends on the ram settings in your ROM. The way android works is there are a bunch of system settings on how much ram to keep clear, and if it drops beneath certain values they start killing apps.
It's highly possible these values were tweaked in the custom roms, to improve the perceived smoothness and so on, but at the same time reducing multitasking. There's a trade off between performance and multitasking (guess why apple was so reluctant to add multitasking?)
I'm not really an expert on it, but I'm sure some quick searches around will find out where those values are and how to change them.. some rom/app probably even allows you to tweak them to your liking.

All Gingerbread roms do the same, closing apps after moving away from this, don't know why, but froyo didn't do this and ginger does.

I used to be like TS, clearing RAM because it might let the phone run smoother. After getting more exposed to Android, I realised that it could be logical to keep your apps in RAM instead of doing a cold boot again, meaning to close an app, open, close and open again, making it taxing on the phone.
So I tried to use up as much RAM as possible and it works just fine, it feels good. I believe the problem you have stated is that in your ROM, the task manager has instructions to clear the RAM once it hits a certain threshold. When it does, it starts to clear apps in different category, starting from what is known as empty apps, which are generally just apps you use and are not important to the android OS or rather independent from the OS.
In the new Samsung ROM, the threshold is set to 40MB, and it is working great for me. You can go to the android market and download "Galaxy Tuner" to set the threshold to a value you feel comfortable with. To multitask better, set the threshold as low as possible.

MaoJie said:
I used to be like TS, clearing RAM because it might let the phone run smoother. After getting more exposed to Android, I realised that it could be logical to keep your apps in RAM instead of doing a cold boot again, meaning to close an app, open, close and open again, making it taxing on the phone.
So I tried to use up as much RAM as possible and it works just fine, it feels good. I believe the problem you have stated is that in your ROM, the task manager has instructions to clear the RAM once it hits a certain threshold. When it does, it starts to clear apps in different category, starting from what is known as empty apps, which are generally just apps you use and are not important to the android OS or rather independent from the OS.
In the new Samsung ROM, the threshold is set to 40MB, and it is working great for me. You can go to the android market and download "Galaxy Tuner" to set the threshold to a value you feel comfortable with. To multitask better, set the threshold as low as possible.
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ok i downloaded galaxy tuner but idk how to change threshold

[DEVS can you Do it?] Better RAM managment

This Q is for active devs...
Can you guys do RAM to be like after installing V6 supercharger...
Supercharger is great but, it lag from time to time and it needs to be refreshed... So is it possible to modify stock android ram managment to be like supercharger...
(to tweak it actually, to modify minifrees like V6 SC??)
I think performance incrase will be massive that way! Better than some third party scripts.
If it's impossible than, allright.. but it's always good to ask, isn't it?
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...oh .. I apologize, I accidentally posted this in dev section instead of general.. so don't mind please!
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der_mart said:
Hey Dare-Devil,
this Supercharger script actually does exactly what you asked for:
it modifies the settings of the internal/stock android RAM management,nothing more and nothing less.
greetings
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Hey Dare-Devil,
this Supercharger script actually does exactly what you asked for:
it modifies the settings of the internal/stock android RAM management,nothing more and nothing less.
greetings

supercharger is good but , eat my batery !!

I like SC ..
Its better than ram mngr pro ..
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One more question..
Is this possible to achieve more multitasking like FROYO on Gingerbread Roms without the things like:--Swapping,supercharger etc.
1. Gingerbread roms are bug free and with extra features but I can run only 3-4 application at a time
e.g.- suppose that I am downloading some files(100-400MB) with opera/dolphin etc in background and suddenly I have to open root explorer and install some applications then during the installation of these applications opera/dolphin automatically kill by the android and downloading stops.
2. FROYO roms are with less features and some bugs like DSP, A&V Sync.
But one thing that is impressive is that I can run 8-9 applications simultaneously.
Take the same example....I can download files via opera/dolphin in parallel with installing apps via root explorer, playing music, market downloading, Emails etc.
I don't know why there is too much difference. I think this point should not be ignored.

Ram manager pro + swapper + sd class 4
That's all you need.
PD: Supercharger it's laggy and doesn't installs easily...

KASHYAP9 said:
One more question..
Is this possible to achieve more multitasking without the things like:--Swapping,supercharger etc.
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This is my point of the thread
KASHYAP9 said:
1. Gingerbread roms are bug free and with extra features but I can run only 3-4 application at a time
e.g.- suppose that I am downloading some files(100-400MB) with opera/dolphin etc in background and suddenly I have to open root explorer and install some applications then during the installation of these applications opera/dolphin automatically kill by the android and downloading stops.
2. FROYO roms are with less features and some bugs like DSP, A&V Sync.
But one thing that is impressive is that I can run 8-9 applications simultaneously.
Take the same example....I can download files via opera/dolphin in parallel with installing apps via root explorer, playing music, market downloading, Emails etc.
I don't know why there is too much difference. I think this point should not be ignored.
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And I were telling this ages ago...

Gingerbread requires more memory for the OS itself than Froyo. It's as simple as that.
This is why our devices are already out of spec and we have to use many, many hacks to make it run to an acceptable level.
If you want to fix that, you have to analyse where this RAM is consumed and rewrite the code of these components more efficiently. This is actually google's job though.

now i'm interested about this part
wait till i release new optimizer
i'm pretty busy lately

new version released
link : Here My Optimizer

Guys use ram manager app by juwe11.it really does its job.buy the full version and use hard multitasking setting.
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Auto Memory Manager. The idea behind it is simple, but dont restrict the RAM too much, it can **** up performance.

What swapper exactly does?

Please use Google uncle for this question u will get the answer.
As naa said we have to identify the ram eaters. And rewrite memory management segment for those modules. So the basic question is to identify the modules. For that we need a tool that will show the memory consumption.
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[Q] CyanogenMod 7.2 question regarding Music and Gallery

OK, so, I'm new here and at the Android stuff aswell. Recently got my Mini S5570, rooted it and installed that VERY useful ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1554099
I like it A LOT, modified all startup programs and it runs very fast.
Got a minor thing bugging me - I use Memory Booster and when I enter the Task Killer I always see Music and Gallery there, even when I didn't use them recently. They take up around 9MB of RAM, which isn't much but it still bothers me. I want these Apps but I don't want them to start up automatically. Is there any way to make them only load when I run a music/photo or launch the app directly? They keep restarting when I kill the proccess.
Thanks in advance!
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Also for Google Play - is there any option that it will NOT restart itself? Only when I choose to run it?

RAM always at 70% on MI5

Hello fellow MI5 users,
I received my phone one week ago and I start having some issues with the RAM. In fact, at the start of the phone, it's already at 70% filled up which is too much for me. Indeed I use a lot of RAM and I'm that type of guy who let the apps running in background everytime because I keep opening them everytime. I was wondering if it was possible to have a link to a better ROM because I guess it's the problem and also a link for a tutorial on how to flash it I'm a newbie in this type of manipulation but I'm very interested so I hope you will help me guys. By the way, my MIUI version is the MIUI 8 Global 6.8.18. I honestly don't know what can i give as information but I'll answer ASAP at any questions
Have a good day

This is working as design - Android keeps apps in RAM to reduce I/O on resuming from background - faster & more energy efficient.
You can change the number of background processes via the development settings or you can kill apps on closing.

adwinp said:
This is working as design - Android keeps apps in RAM to reduce I/O on resuming from background - faster & more energy efficient.
You can change the number of background processes via the development settings or you can kill apps on closing.
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I've seen that indeed but it was set at standard so I'll probably put it at 3 I guess. How should I set the memory optimization? I've read it should be set off, altough I tried middle and I feel comfortable like that?
Is it normal to start at 70% without anything started ?

Unitae said:
I've seen that indeed but it was set at standard so I'll probably put it at 3 I guess. How should I set the memory optimization? I've read it should be set off, altough I tried middle and I feel comfortable like that?
Is it normal to start at 70% without anything started ?
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For the 3GB version? Pretty much. MIUI is horrible.
After booting I typically had 1.3GB / 3.0GB free but after a while this averaged to around 650MB free.

free ram is useless ram , which cant accelerate anything

ps2lover said:
free ram is useless ram , which cant accelerate anything
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I know that but I need more because I use multi-task a lot. Is there a way to change the ROM so I have more space to work with? Even if the ROM itself is beautiful.
Indeed it's the 3gb version 32gb. It have lags sometimes and I think it's due to the full RAM. Can I have a link to a custom ROM which works fine on this device?

I'm a little confused, you want as much RAM available but you want as many processes in the background as well? That sounds contradicting to me. Memory optimization maps to ZRAM, if you set it off there will be no memory compression and thus even less processes will be kept in the background. If you set it high, you can have as many processes as possible, but there could be lag due to (de)compression time overhead.

Try different Rom
Try to use a different Rom. On the Stock Rom is a lot of bloatware which is using your RAM too.
First you need to get an Bootloader unlock permission and have to unlock the BL.
It could take up to 10 Days to get the permission from Xiaomi
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/how-to/unlocking-xiaomi-mi-5-bootloader-t3336243
After that you have to flash a recovery like trwp via ADB. Google it for videos or threads how to do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/development/recovery-twrp-xiaomi-mi-5-t3412123
After that you can flash a developer Rom.
I use the Resurrection Remix and it works fine. The CM 13 stucks in Bootloop. Maybe because I made a full wipe and had to sideload my rom.
Because you don't have a SD card option you have to have the room installed on your hard drive. But just follow the description below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/development/unofficial-resurrection-remix-m-5-6-9-t3395945
It took me just 1 day to get the unlock permit but don't try do do it without it. You brick your phone.
The RR Rom works really fine. Fingerprint and everything. It has no bloatware and you have to get the gaps like in the description. Arm64 nano seems enough.
Good luck and fun with a great phone.
Normally the android system kills the unused apps even in background. But i also experienced lack in multitasking.

leledumbo said:
I'm a little confused, you want as much RAM available but you want as many processes in the background as well? That sounds contradicting to me. Memory optimization maps to ZRAM, if you set it off there will be no memory compression and thus even less processes will be kept in the background. If you set it high, you can have as many processes as possible, but there could be lag due to (de)compression time overhead.
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I think you misunderstood the OP question, he wanted more free RAM at start in order to have as many as possible apps in the background.

lapocompris said:
I think you misunderstood the OP question, he wanted more free RAM at start in order to have as many as possible app in the background.
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Yup exactly

Try trwp 3.0.2.0 with 3.0.2.1 people experience bootloop

Omied said:
Try trwp 3.0.2.0 with 3.0.2.1 people experience bootloop
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In fact, I'm just doing some research before asking because I'm very new. I have found some videos but they are pretty old and not on this phone but I guess it works more or less the same way

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I think you misunderstood the OP question, he wanted more free RAM at start in order to have as many as possible apps in the background.
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OK, in that case, just open Security->Permissions->Autostart and disable those which aren't immediately needed upon start. I have 18 autostart items (mostly system monitoring & social media apps) and I usually start with 1.5 GB free RAM.