Is it possible to make a script, what makes it possible to run armv7 apps on armv6 phones, so that the 'armv7 commands' from an app or the system are send to a script which translates them into 'armv6 commands' and send them to the processor, and the same way back? There isn't to much difference between Armv6 and armv7, so if it's possible, i think it wouldn't be too hard for expirienced dev's...
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What u need is qemu or manually reassemble the new elf.
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What u need is qemu or manually reassemble the new elf.
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So it is possible? In that case: i'll start right away!
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kuci06 said:
Oh lol, no.
Even if some genious found a way to write this "magic" script, it would REAAAAAALLLLLYYY slow down the phone
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Agreed. Just 'translating' each command will take massive processor time, the phone may be slow as hell.
Well it would rly only cuz slowdown only in the case of optimized functions or insns that dont have armv6 equivalent. BUT this would only be possible for small chunks of code OR small program like less than 1KB of .text segment and very good asm knowledge. Also u can forget about NEON etc SIMD insns. What u describe is an interpreter emulator(sort of) which is HARD to do.
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And then u d have to change the ~ELF to sth like ~EL6 and use binutils to properly handle the elf along with user space and kernel space programs.
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Agreed. Just 'translating' each command will take massive processor time, the phone may be slow as hell.
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But you forget one thing: there isn't to much difference between armv6 and armv7. So just a few commands have to be translated: the others can run with native support. And the sdk isn't that slow, but that emulator needs to translate everything. So there is hope...
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The emulator is slow because it emulates armv6 on x86, sofrware interpreter! And arnv7 on 6 requires code to check each insn to see if it's different from v6 which translates to HUGE speed impact. Also they r 2 different archs. Not only the cpu insn set is different/update/added....
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U rly cant compare sdk emu to this, differenr problem to solve.
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The emulator is slow because it emulates armv6 on x86, sofrware interpreter! And arnv7 on 6 requires code to check each insn to see if it's different from v6 which translates to HUGE speed impact. Also they r 2 different archs. Not only the cpu insn set is different/update/added....
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I can compare it with the sdk, because everything you just said about on armv6 => armv7, is the same on armv6 => x86. And you can run all apps in de emulator, so that is translated too! So basicly it IS possible.
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Dude just calm down... Let me rephrase. If you just swap insns u won't get anywhere. There much more things to CPUs than the ISA. MUCH. Trust me in this as a student of E. Eng.
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Dude just calm down... Let me rephrase. If you just swap insns u won't get anywhere. There much more things to CPUs than the ISA. MUCH. Trust me in this as a student of E. Eng.
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I understand that there is muuuuch more, and that it will be really hard, but it is a fact that it works on x86, so theoretical it is possible. You must admit that.
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Of course. BUT it will be SLOW,unless some1 manages to optimize to hell the v6 eq code and only for programs that make no use of v7 specific features.
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i think there is a thread saying how to get armv7 apps working on armv6 by changing the build.porp stuff
It will run extremely SLOW!! but yes. Remember how Chinese developers have ported adobe flash meant for ARMv7 to ARMv6?. How 240p content couldn't even be streamed without lagging or near 30fps while 400Mhz Corext A8 can do it easily?.
It is just not worth it, it will just make it unusable
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bs828 said:
i think there is a thread saying how to get armv7 apps working on armv6 by changing the build.porp stuff
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I thanked you, but no it doesn't work like that. ARMv7 Binary codes simply can't be executed on ARMv6 without causing force closes.
Flash player 10.1 didn't rely on armv7 specific opcodes.
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Sorry if this is noob question but is that possible to port minecraft pocket edition for our armv6 or do something to run that on our x8?
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Sorry if this is noob question but is that possible to port minecraft pocket edition for our armv6 or do something to run that on our x8?
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Nope.
I've answered this multiple times, I even underclocked my tablet to min -245mhz and max- 748mhz and LAUNCHED MC PE and it LAGGED like hell!
So no...
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pretty sad we won't be able to play minecraft on our x8
Yes very sad.
I've answered this multiple times, I even underclocked my tablet to min -245mhz and max- 748mhz and LAUNCHED MC PE and it LAGGED like hell!
So no...
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yes i know there are many themes about this but please explain me why. Ok that is true that its laggy but I asked if its possible to RUN it on our devices.
Hope u understand me
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yes i know there are many themes about this but please explain me why. Ok that is true that its laggy but I asked if its possible to RUN it on our devices.
Hope u understand me
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Why did u quote me and send empty message?
aptnutella said:
Why did u quote me and send empty message?
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Woah! I don't remember sending that! I musthave accidentilydone it! Sorry
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never mind but please, why do we have no chance to run it. doesnt matter if its laggy but i want to know where is the problem because some apps for armv7 were ported to armv6 like flash player
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never mind but please, why do we have no chance to run it. doesnt matter if its laggy but i want to know where is the problem because some apps for armv7 were ported to armv6 like flash player
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Its not because it can't! It could have a CHANCE if someone bothered to type 2,000+ lines of code, but another reason I because its not for our screen.
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Minecraft on armv6
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That's Mine builder, not MCPE. -_-
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I want a rom for s5830i which runs games smoothly without using chainfire 3d ...is there any available??
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Nop
If broadcom releases the videocore drivers for this device... Soon
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How is this urgent? Oh, right.. it's not.
Anyway, even if broadcom releases the sources, don't expect much. The latest games still won't run or be very choppy, no matter how many hacks and tweaks are used.
If you want games, you shouldn't have bought an outdated device.
I dnt want to run newwww games...i just want to run good 3d or adventerous games
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Did you try Chainfire?
Rasec2002 said:
Did you try Chainfire?
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He does not want use chainfire because of this reason is asking for the rom.
Regards.
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Buy a better phone..
The Galaxy Ace Phone is a beginners class Phone and has a very simple hardware that doesnt support Games well!
sarmamanashjyoti2012 said:
I dnt want to run newwww games...i just want to run good 3d or adventerous games
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sarmamanashjyoti2012 said:
i just want to run good 3d or adventerous games
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sarmamanashjyoti2012 said:
3d
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Get a new device with better hardware. What I said still applies, just replace "latest" by "demanding". 3D is demanding, especially on lower end phones.
Y?? Do u have any personal grudge with chainfire??
i used it b4 but i left it bcoz evry games needs different settings and per app config also didnt work after purchasing the pro version...
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sarmamanashjyoti2012 said:
i used it b4 but i left it bcoz evry games needs different settings and per app config also didnt work after purchasing the pro version...
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well if u cant do that much....buy a better fone
What type of feature do u want see on our Device (Custom Rom) Kindly post here...
only such possible request which can be port on our tini device #HardwareLimitation
Request List:-
-Volume Rocker to music change on sleep mode
-expand user space by re partition decrease catch space and increase user space (if possible)
-Inbuilt CPU settings #likeCmRoms
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we are going to get a cm7
we dont need any funny stuff once we have a cm7 what else could we need
30-step volume mod.
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samrulzzz007 said:
we dont need any funny stuff once we have a cm7 what else could we need
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cm9
A fully fuctional BCM chipset!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Androidnow said:
A fully fuctional BCM chipset!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If we would have a fully chipset, what would be better? Gaming? And how much worth would be our phone?
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Android-fany said:
If we would have a fully chipset, what would be better? Gaming? And how much worth would be our phone?
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Gaming, cyanogenmod roms, smoother Graphic output....video etc.....better kernel support.....a whole lot more of development.
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Androidnow said:
Gaming, cyanogenmod roms, smoother Graphic output....video etc.....better kernel support.....a whole lot more of development.
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Would games like temple run or gta 3 work?
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I don't think so for temple run because its made for armv7 and our acei has armv6 =(
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Would games like temple run or gta 3 work?
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NO
Temple Run most popular game of 2012 which had some 170 million downloads both in iOS and Android platforms.
The successor of this game Temple Run 2 is available for download but only for iphone and ipad.
The world's most poular endless runner game is back with better graphics and with a big monkey..
Unlike TEMPLE RUN 1,THE new game has got two virtual curriencies:coins and gems..
The temple run 2 will be probably launched by next week..
I guess imangi studios should developed the game for armv6 devices too..unlike temple run 1..
what's your opinion..??
Our device was barely able to play the first one, so i guess the second one will be no go for us...
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armv6 can't handle it properly and they will not release anything which is not working perfectly or supposed to work perfectly
in short: dream on, dreamers!
Temple run 1 was unplayable on the mini, how do you expect tr2 wil do?
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I think OP is in Lucid Dream....
Its like asking, hey my PC was not able to run far cry 1...is their any way to run far cry 3..lol..
Temple Run ARMv6 By Me-Manoj:-APK
lol my mini 2 runs temple run fast and temple run 2 alsoruns fast
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Mdetring said:
lol my mini 2 runs temple run fast and temple run 2 alsoruns fast
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Then stay away from mini's thread....
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ashu.bigsmoke said:
Then stay away from mini's thread....
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haha nice one XD
And if i had a galaxy SIII, I'm sure it also would be running very smoothly
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Someone port temple run 2 to mini and i try it but the screen doesnt fit d screen but it runs smooth...
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temple run 2 runs lagless better than tr 1 @600 mhz ,no chainfire , new experience v8 , only problem is that it is not resized so everything is too messed up . but just awesome it runs same on our device and htc desire c (lol)
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temple run 2 runs lagless better than tr 1 @600 mhz ,no chainfire , new experience v8 , only problem is that it is not resized so everything is too messed up . but just awesome it runs same on our device and htc desire c (lol)
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Are you damnnn serious.... Really? Don't make me go crazy....
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Yes..i tried it..it's lagless (i had to overclock a bit) but it's unplayable on our screen..
Can you guess why is it so "lagless"? Because it's not rendering the whole thing.
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gumball3000 said:
Can you guess why is it so "lagless"? Because it's not rendering the whole thing.
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actually it is but the surrounding controls are overlapping due to a smaller display also sensitivity issue is there.(though I think its due to the overlap).
Anyone know how to perform Amalia edits then it can be fully resized.
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actually it is but the surrounding controls are overlapping due to a smaller display also sensitivity issue is there.(though I think its due to the overlap).
Anyone know how to perform Amalia edits then it can be fully resized.
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so can u do it and post the apk?
it would b great if someone make effort to resize it.. pls!
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We have great developers, why not?
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helinhof said:
We have great developers, why not?
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We don't have great device
And Ubuntu Touch is not yet released in daily driver form for any device. It's like alpha or beta.
Agreed with nishanty13 and ast00.
We don't have a great spec devices (c'mon, ARMV6 Processor, LDPI screen, 600 Mhz processor ? You gotta' be kidding me) and Ubuntu touch isn't stable yet. It still hanging around on Alpha stage.
Ubuntu Touch is just "preview", nothing works except browser. There isn't any real application on it, cannot do anything, it likes a set of screenshots of real OS.
*I know because I've tried installing and using it, but it has nothing to use *
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Ubuntu Touch is just "preview", nothing works except browser. There isn't any real application on it, cannot do anything, it likes a set of screenshots of real OS.
*I know because I've tried installing and using it, but it has nothing to use *
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Yeah, agreed with you. I already installed it in my Nexus, but yeah, nothing is great. It's hard porting a full blown desktop experience to a phone. Also, our Mini isn't great at all, you can't just go beyond limit, our Mini is a ARMV6 powered phone with 256 MB RAM, what's so great that you want fully blown Ubuntu Touch ?
No offence but i disagree with idea of porting it.
Honestly....porting is not impossible but really is it even worth it....
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Honestly....porting is not impossible but really is it even worth it....
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I don't think it's wort it...only if you have a SIII or SIV maybe but on a device such as our mini i would wish that cm10.1 to become stable and official that wold be more than enough for me
i don't think it would have any interrest right now