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So good news for all Diamond euro owners in LA (and other places of course)...the tmobile network supports the 2100mhz band for 3G so no need for a US version!!
http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm23715.htm#7
Sorry if this is old news, but i just realized it =)
this is great if true?
T-Mobile devices use the 1700Mhz/2100Mhz frequency band (for 3G) and I thought Europe 3G devices use 900Mhz/2100Mhz. Could U clarify further...
you said it correct...tmobile does use 1700mhz/2100mhz, and the euro diamond supports 2100mhz which should work since tmobile will be using it...i spoke to a tmobile tier 2 rep, he confirmed it as well...
That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.
Drachen said:
That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.
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AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..
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AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..
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As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.
If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.
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If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Honestly I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on him for that, I've never heard of anyone getting T-Mobile 3G and I know quite a few people with the Diamond/Raphael on T-Mobile in 3G areas.
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As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.
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I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .
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I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .
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Unfortunately, they've provided you some bad information. Each frequency band/range has a pair of uplink and downlink frequencies - you can't use one without the other - you have to use both. Generally, the uplink and downlink frequencies are relatively close to each other however, the 1700 AWS band has uplink and downlink spread quite a distance apart. Uplink is in the 1700MHz range, downlink is in the 2100MHz range and both have to be used. In the US, 1700 & 2100 is essentially one band.
1900MHz (the PCS band) isn't 3G for T-Mobile (although they technically could put it there at some point.) Right now, 1900MHz for T-Mobile is EDGE voice and data. Most other carriers do have 3G on the 1900MHz band, T-Mobile just doesn't have enough spectrum available in that band.
In short: A phone that supports UMTS 2100 will not work for T-Mobile US 3G. A phone that supports AWS/UMTS 1700 will work for T-Mobile US 3G but not for European 2100 3G. (And 1900MHz PCS will give you traditional EDGE on T-Mobile US.)
Malik05 said:
Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427755
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2610960#post2610960
No, you'll need to go with a carrier like T-Mobile who support the same frequencies as the international version (I assume, I haven't checked them recently).
T-Mobile has a 2100 MHz band but it's paired with 1700 MHz for AWS so I'm not sure if that would actually work.
The 1900 MHz band would get reception from AT&T, although only in areas where they're using 1900, probably in the city.
That's just for 3G though. If you don't need 3G then T-Mobile and AT&T are both GSM carriers.
you will have 2g coverage with at&t and tmobile, and some 3g with at&t, when you have wcdma 1900 coverage... that's about it
I suck at knowing these radios. But, if you are visiting friends, what you can try to do is borrow their sims from different carriers for 5 minutes and see what works in the area(s) you visit. Just an out of the box thought.
AT&T is using 850/1900MHz 3G/UMTS bands (if i'm not mistaken),
i9000 international version supports 3G/UMTS 900/1900/2100 MHz, 850MHz not included.
so I think you are not able to use the 3G network, but the GSM should be working find although it's much slower.
Yup
That's why us USA folks have to wait for either a USA or Australian Variant of the device.
Thanks a lot for all your replies! I was hoping Samsung would be lazy and build the same radio in all of it's devices. Guess I was wrong. Still, thanks a lot, I'll see how well it works with 2G.
Is there still no way to change the UMTS band on European Galaxies so they work in the US?
Nope. You would have to hardware mod the phone.
They already do on 1900 att and thats that
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Is there still no way to change the UMTS band on European Galaxies so they work in the US?
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I know this is an old thread, but I was looking for information about what modems are for what phones and came across it and thought that as an AT&T customer, I should clarify some information.
Most of AT&T 3G network uses 1900 MHz. AT&T is also "overlaying" 850 MHz over their existing 1900 MHz to increase capacity. There may be some 850 MHz only locations, but I am not aware of any. For the most part, if your phone supports UMTS1900, you should be able to get 3G anywhere that AT&T's map shows 3G availability.
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I know this is an old thread, but I was looking for information about what modems are for what phones and came across it and thought that as an AT&T customer, I should clarify some information.
Most of AT&T 3G network uses 1900 MHz. AT&T is also "overlaying" 850 MHz over their existing 1900 MHz to increase capacity. There may be some 850 MHz only locations, but I am not aware of any. For the most part, if your phone supports UMTS1900, you should be able to get 3G anywhere that AT&T's map shows 3G availability.
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if you bought a i9000m from canada. you can use UGKC1 or UGJL2 modem to enable 850
im currently on at&t using i9000m with ZSJPG modem with 850mhz enabled
Just 1900Mhz isn't all that great, kinda slow and spotty. Don't get me wrong, it's usable, but 850 is significantly faster/better at least where I live.
I have an I9000M but occasionally use a modem without 850, and it's not as good.
While there are roundabout ways to get 850 on other modems, I usually use one of the Bell ones like JL2 or KC1.
I am using jl2. kc1 did not work reliably with my microcell and would instead keep trying to pull in weak signal thus sucking battery. As for 850mhz only.. most of the I93 corridor on new England is 850mhz only.
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T-Mobile has a 2100 MHz band but it's paired with 1700 MHz for AWS so I'm not sure if that would actually work.
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It's not paired. It's a single band that uses 1700 MHz for upload and 2100 MHz for download. Just like the international 2100 Mhz band uses 2100 MHz for download and 1900 MHz for upload.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
So just to clarify, my stock i9000m, running 2.3.3 and UGKG3 will get 3G in southern California on both the 850 and 1900 bands? UGKG3 can use both bands?
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Should I buy a captivate or a i9000 galaxy s?
It is for the use in the netherlands but I heard the captivate had some more specs..
Thanks in advance!
Galaxy S and captivate are pretty similar.
i9000 has front camera (if you use it), physical back button, better support (more users) and you are more likely to have warranty support in the Netherlands.
i897 IMHO looks better and is heavier (feels more expensive). Also it comes in 16gb (i9000 comes in 8gb/16gb) and has lots of AT&T crapware on it....easy enough to remove...but you have to do it
Take the one you like the looks of better.
I really like the looks of the captivate but I am worried that it's going to have 3g network problems here..
If I would import the phone, would it work perfect with the signal here to?
snaai8 said:
I really like the looks of the captivate but I am worried that it's going to have 3g network problems here..
If I would import the phone, would it work perfect with the signal here to?
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The issue will be the 900 band will be missing in the Captivate which is where a lot of carriers have 3G in Europe. In the US, it will work fine. i9000x 3G won't work in 850Mhz markets.
Captivate runs on the following data bands:
3G (850/1900/2100 MHz) <-AT&T works fine.
Galaxy i9000x runs on:
2G - GSM 850/900/1800/1900
3G - HSDPA 900/1900/2100 <- Missing 850 for AT&T
Vibrant
3G - HSDPA 1700/2100
If you seriously want a world phone for data, there is only one in the market at the moment that I'm aware of. It's the Sony Xperia X10a. It's a dual mode phone and uses GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and UMTS/HSPA 800/850/1900/2100.
I'm a complete dummy in this subject so here comes the stupid questions..
What would happen if I tried using it in my country?
I'm using a omnia 2 now with:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100
So if I tried using the captivate, would my 3g be gone?
EDIT:
I was looking through the specs at the AT&T site and it said:
GSM/GPRS 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS/HSDPA (850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
So according to these specs it says that it also has a 900mhz frequention.
EDIT2: Vodafone in my area (my carrier) uses 2100 as 3g band and gsm 900/1800.
I foung this info using gsmworld
can someone please explain it to me?
Ik need to choose before friday!
Hi fellas,
I was wondering if enabling all WCDMA bands 850, 900, 1900, and 2100 of our i9000 phones would produce any bad effects or would deteriorate our phones or its parts?
I tried to enabled them in *#2263# and they seem to be persistent so i believe they are active. It was initially set as 900/1900/2100.
Looking forward for replies
if you bought i9000T it's supposed to work with 850 what the others can't, that's from what I know..
I'm just not sure if it is really functioning or how to verify if the phone is really using the 850 or 900 wcdma band, or both (together with 2100 and 1900). AFAIK, wcdma's requirement is that at least 2100 is enabled, paired with another supporting band either 1900, 900, or 850. (tho just 2100 solo will also work but not as best if without another band to use)
I'm also wondering, if the original i9000 can support quad GSM and quad WCDMA, why is it that it is only set as tri-WCDMA only?
I guess my only concern is that if the phone's antenna system will be damaged if i enable quad band WCDMA (if it is really using it)
Folks,
If you have checked with the Service manual and Schematics, some variants of Samsung Galaxy S lack the required PAM for the UMTS Band VIII (900) operation physically, while some lack the required PAM for the UMTS Band V (850) operation. Sure, we can flash it with the corresponding modem.bin, toggle "WCDMA 900 (FDD VIII)" and/or "WCDMA 850 (FDD V)" with our targeted Galaxy S variants in the Band Selection menu but it does not mean they will actually work in the "Quad-band WCDMA" as we would like.
Try to hook one up with a set of signal isolation box, signal generator and analyzer (R&S, Agilent, etc.), then you will find out our Galaxy S is capable of "Quad-band WCDMA" or not for sure. DO NOT get confused with the "Quad-band GSM"... "If it can do quad-band in 2G, then why not in 3G?" BECAUSE the it is handled by another set of PAM and FEM.
Nevertheless, most of us are doing fine in the EURO/RoW regions where most 3G networks are deployed in the UMTS Band I (2100). Unless we are heading to the rural or specific areas where only has got the 3G service in the UMTS Band VIII (900) only (AND we apparently must use the 3G service at the same time).
thanks howipig, very nice answer
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thanks howipig, very nice answer
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Project1.exe,
No problem but I wish someone out there can make our dream come true by adding the right PAM and SAW filters for the "extra" 3G band support
i'm thinking if it would be possible to extract files from, say, a Rogers (Canada) SGS for the 850, and combine them with euro for 900. I'm actually using XWJV1 (leaked gingerbread) and I got excited cause I see both options.
Project1.exe,
Like I have mentioned before, the software is just part of the puzzle. We can toggle all 3G bands showing in the Band Selection menu. In fact, I have played with a modified Galaxy Tab that even has UMTS Band IV (AWS) selected too! But in reality, it never works on the AWS band. The PHYSICAL hardware is the key. Without the right components, we are not going to make it happen.
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Folks,
If you have checked .... UMTS Band VIII (900) operation physically, ... the same time).
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heh sorry, missed that one.
Thanks again howipig
hey,
i have a GT-I9000, and i'm trying to enable 850mhz band for 3g,
i flashed the jjjv5 modem which is 850enabled,
and selected the 850 band through *#2263#*, the second i select 850 i get no signal, does that mean my phone isn't 850mhz capable or does it mean there is no 850mhz reception in my area ?
galaxy s suports all bands
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100
so you dont have 850 band in your area.
perhaps i was not clear - i'm trying to connect to 850mhz WCDMA band, not GPRS/GSM.
where do you live ? do you have the international i9000?
i live in israel, where we have a 850mhz/2100mhz 3g carrier (Pelephone)
the phone was purchased privately, not from the carrier.
i'm not quite sure about the phone version, the box states UMTS bands as 2100,1900,900.
the writing on the box and every document about the phone states GT-I9000.
does that mean that 850 3g band is not possible for me ?
i9000 doesnt support israel's 850 3g band, you can use 2100 instead which is suported by both ,phone and carrier
f3n0m3no said:
i9000 doesnt support israel's 850 3g band, you can use 2100 instead which is suported by both ,phone and carrier
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I'm also having a similar problem. im in Honduras with Tigo paid for 3g but only connecting to edge, i have the gingerbread xwjw5 build. I have a unlocked gt-i9000
only if you have the I9000T you can use the 850 band
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only if you have the I9000T you can use the 850 band
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well guess ill be replacing this phone lol
keen to swap? im in aus and got a i9000t and would like to stay on Optus :/