My defy+ cable has on the mirco side two metal pins on each side. Normale cables got only two metal pins on the wider side of the mirco side.
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Sorry, I don't understand you, but you can use standard microusb wires for data and charge with your Defy+ (I usually use a Samsung usb wire)
The cables i used on my htc Desire wont charge or are only use full for date transfer. When i trie to charge true my charger or car charger. It start charging and within a second i got a message that it is unconnectend and then connected again. And it loops.
taarmen said:
My defy+ cable has on the mirco side two metal pins on each side. Normale cables got only two metal pins on the wider side of the mirco side.
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Those aren't "pins" in the sense of providing data signals or charging current. They are more like small springs designed to improve the mechanical retention of the micro USB plug in the socket. They don't make any difference to the electrical or electronic function of the USB cable, beyond reducing the risk of a poor physical connection, or a loss of physical connection if the handset is moved which charging/transferring data.
My Blackberry charger's micro USB plug doesn't have them , but the short USB to micro USB cable which came with my noise-cancelling headphones does - and the only function of that cable is to charge the battery in the headphones. I think you will find that there are a number of subtle mechanical variations of this kind between micro USB plugs from different manufacturers.
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The cables i used on my htc Desire wont charge or are only use full for date transfer. When i trie to charge true my charger or car charger. It start charging and within a second i got a message that it is unconnectend and then connected again. And it loops.
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I used with my Defy+ usb chargers and usb cables from Samsung Wave and Blackberry 8990 and all of these works property for charging and for data transfers.
Maybe your HTC usb cable don´t work propertly?
elTorres said:
Maybe your HTC usb cable don´t work propertly?
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Other possibilities are that the charger is faulty or providing a charge current which is slightly outside spec, or that there is a problem with the battery. I have seen problems caused by both of these kinds of fault (with third-party chargers and batteries) when using my Motorola USB cable.
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Can i use a non sony cable for charging my X1 or USB transfer? It looks the same as a USB mini connector that i have but i'm not game to test it without your advice?
Yes you can. The only comment to make is the number of connectors in the cable. Almost all cables will charge & allow you to connect with your PC, a minority may just allow charging.
(I once bought one of those roll-up cables from Boxwave, where the cable is collected in a disc: it was sold as a charging cable, and yes, it only charged! In the same box there was a synch cable of the same design, and that both charged and sync'ed)
And re the charger, you can use any. Charging from the PC is slower, as will be some wall chargers with a low rating (amperage).
But you will not damage the phone, however much power (amps) the charger promises to provide: the phone will only draw the current it needs.
Thanks for the reply. I'll test my cable.
x1 is miniUSB a universal std like a normal AC connector
even other htc devices with extUSB rather then normal miniUSB is direct compatible with
all miniUSB cables for charging and syncing with computers
Just reading up on USB chargers, and I found somewhere in a thread here about phones defaulting to smaller ma when charging via USB if the connector didn't have the data pins shorted or something.
So, I was wondering a couple of things:
1) If the default charger supplies 700ma, do you think that is the most the Nexus S can draw? Does anyone have one of these shorted USB chargers? Does it charge the NS faster?
2) If it does charge faster, how hard would it be to do something similar to shorting the data connections? I have a generic AC-USB cable which I currently use for my iPod touch.
3) Is there a way to check if it is already shorted out? The USB charging port looks similar to ones on my computer, but I'm not sure what to look for.
Thanks for any help! Maybe if we can sort out this stuff, we can provide a solution for those looking for faster charging!
it does work safely, i'm using a 1000 mAh charger at home, and a 2000 mAh charger in the car both are from aftermarket eBay/DealExtreme charges.
no overheating
and charges faster than stock
AllGamer said:
it does work safely, i'm using a 1000 mAh charger at home, and a 2000 mAh charger in the car both are from aftermarket eBay/DealExtreme charges.
no overheating
and charges faster than stock
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Ok thankyou for that AllGamer, I'll think of possible ways I could mod the charger now
The only reason it is slow is because of the USB charging brick instead of just a charger.
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I know it's a wrong thread, but anyone has any pointers as to how to short a regular USB cable to make the phone think it's a power adapter cable?
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I know it's a wrong thread, but anyone has any pointers as to how to short a regular USB cable to make the phone think it's a power adapter cable?
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Nah it's not the wrong thread that was one of my questions! I'm not sure exactly where you would do it, but maybe if you skinned the wire, then cut the data lines it would work?
Not sure which end you would do it on however, but that may not matter. Any other ideas?
The two center pins in the USB carry the data. If you pull them out, the cable won't be able to connect to the computer.
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Wow - you don't need to do this and you wouldn't want to in a computer anyway.
The USB specification says that 500ma (@ 5v) of current should be available from a computer's USB port. Of course, the actual wires can carry much more than this, so manufacturers can tell their phones to takes as much current as is offered.
Almost all computers limit their USB power output accordingly - this is why some opld usb-powered external hard drives needed 2 USB plugs to get enough power. The only computers that I am SURE emit significantly more than 500ma on their USB ports are first and second generation MacBook Airs.
Some phones, the N1 and every other HTC specifically, look for a specially shorted cable to "know if they are plugged into the wall adaptor" as opposed to a computer USB port. In reality, this is just a way to make you specifically buy HTC chargers as opposed to third-party off-brands, because plugging one of these phones into an off brand charger will limit the current draw to about 450ma.
If you want to know if your Android phone thinks that it is in "USB" mode or in "AC" mode, just plug the phone in, open the dialer, enter *#*#4636#*#* and then select battery info. If your phone is one that cares (not all do), it will say USB if it thinks it should be in USB charging mode, or AC if it thinks it should be in AC charging mode.
I would not try shorting out the middle pins in a cable and then plugging it into the computer. First, most will probably just disable the USB port completely, shutting off even power you could draw. Second, if it doesn't shut down, you run the risk that a badly-built USB port might not properly limit the current to 500ma - and since they are not designed to furnish more current than that, you might melt something expensive or start a fire. third, if you make a mistake, you risk shorting out either your phone or your computer, which might ruin your day, week or month, depending on your financial means to replace the system that cooks itself.
I would just run out to your local store, pay 15 bucks for a 2A third-party usb charger brick, and go to town. That will work perfectly - this is what I use, and it probably cuts the charge time by 30-40%. Obviously, this indicates that the NS is not capable of drawing a full 2A - I have not put a meter on it, but I would bet that it limits itself to somewhere just under an amp in.
I have recently bought both a 2A wall charger and car charger and my phone does not recognise either of these as anything more than a 500mA source.
Is it really just a case of opening the car charger up and shorting out pins 2 & 3? they are currently not connected to anything in the charger.
If it's indeed a matter of shorting the data lines, then I think you can skin the wire as suggested by others, but then cut the data lines, short the end that leads to the phone, leave the end to the computer open. I think it's the phone that tries to determine whether the data lines are shorted.
Edit: Can someone measure the continuity between the data pins with the stock charger? I wonder if they are shorted. I'm still waiting for my Nexus S to arrive, so can't test it.
Yup, the data lines in the stock Nexus S charger ARE shorted.
I just modified a cheap 1A car charger by popping it open, soldering the 2 data lines together and putting it back.
The report on the Nexus S before I did this (*#*#4636#*#*) said "USB", and afterwards it now says "AC".
I will report back after I make a road trip if this improves the GPS + Pandora + Screen in car situation. I suspect it will.
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Yup, the car charger seemed to actually maintain and increase the battery this time. Seems good.
The NS supports chargers output to a max of 1000mA, as it says on the back of it, where the battery resides.
Been looking for a fast car charger as well as a second ac charger.
I do have questions about usb cables though.
Which is responsible for shorting out the data pins...the charger, or the cable?
Also, while experimenting with my stock charger, I noticed a couple.of things...
I have an old 9ft cable I had along time ago, as well as a 6ft usb3 extension cable.
Using the stock charger
With 9ft cable, I get 13% per hour
With usb3 ext + stock cable, I get 25% per hour
With just the stock cable, I get 35% per hour.
(These are all according to battery monitor widget)
Should I be looking for a specific type of cable as well? I would really like a long cable so even if I bought a second oem charger, I would like to buy a non stock cable.
swyped all these spelling errors from my galaxy note 2
finalhit said:
Been looking for a fast car charger as well as a second ac charger.
I do have questions about usb cables though.
Which is responsible for shorting out the data pins...the charger, or the cable?
Also, while experimenting with my stock charger, I noticed a couple.of things...
I have an old 9ft cable I had along time ago, as well as a 6ft usb3 extension cable.
Using the stock charger
With 9ft cable, I get 13% per hour
With usb3 ext + stock cable, I get 25% per hour
With just the stock cable, I get 35% per hour.
(These are all according to battery monitor widget)
Should I be looking for a specific type of cable as well? I would really like a long cable so even if I bought a second oem charger, I would like to buy a non stock cable.
swyped all these spelling errors from my galaxy note 2
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You're probably referring to the charge-only usb cables with the data pins shorted out - it is the cable which has the data wires shorted out; the wall charger only uses 2 out of the 4 usb wires, so there's no need to have anything shorted out on the charger side.
It's useful to share what you have noticed, but the general idea is that the longer the usb cable, the more it would take to charge because the extra resistance along the cable which is created; in a similar way you lose current if you use any extenders, passive usb hubs etc - how much? it really depends on what you pick, you can have it calculated / measured. A higher gauge usb cable would give you faster charge times, so pick a quality cable, even if it's a non-OEM and you'll get similar results to the original cable.
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You're probably referring to the charge-only usb cables with the data pins shorted out - it is the cable which has the data wires shorted out; the wall charger only uses 2 out of the 4 usb wires, so there's no need to have anything shorted out on the charger side.
It's useful to share what you have noticed, but the general idea is that the longer the usb cable, the more it would take to charge because the extra resistance along the cable which is created; in a similar way you lose current if you use any extenders, passive usb hubs etc - how much? it really depends on what you pick, you can have it calculated / measured. A higher gauge usb cable would give you faster charge times, so pick a quality cable, even if it's a non-OEM and you'll get similar results to the original cable.
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but the OEM cable can also be used for data transfers, surely, it's data pins are not shorted out?
it is the charger that normally has data pins shorted, and I have modified a few chargers to achieve this.
In the OSmonitor app the is a misc tab that shows if you are charging from AC or USB, there must be a way of finding the charging current, on one of my old phones it was displayed in dmesg.
Dont forget that the % per hour will vary according to how full the battery is, slowing down as it gets more full.
I'm trying to make a fast charging cable for use in the car. The current charger I use seems to work fine, but the coiled cable annoys me. When I use a standard USB cable the charging reverts to slow mode which means the GPS and screen drain the battery faster than the cable can charge it.
The charging cable that works has a resistor between ground and the unused pin 4, but what I want to know, is this the only USB charging standard that the Droid4 supports, for example does it support the one where you put a resistor between the two data pins, or the one where you just join the data pins together?
If it supports either of those, then this project just got a lot easier as I can just chop the Type A connector off my USB cable and do all the work without having to solder a Micro USB connector.
Could you de-solder the coiled cord and solder in a micro USB cord or even a female USB cord for removal of OEM usb... or is that what you mean in the last paragraph... If you want I could give it a try as I have three rapid car chargers and several USB cables...
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I'm trying to make a fast charging cable for use in the car. The current charger I use seems to work fine, but the coiled cable annoys me. When I use a standard USB cable the charging reverts to slow mode which means the GPS and screen drain the battery faster than the cable can charge it.
The charging cable that works has a resistor between ground and the unused pin 4, but what I want to know, is this the only USB charging standard that the Droid4 supports, for example does it support the one where you put a resistor between the two data pins, or the one where you just join the data pins together?
If it supports either of those, then this project just got a lot easier as I can just chop the Type A connector off my USB cable and do all the work without having to solder a Micro USB connector.
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I'm not sure if this has anything to do with your question but try an ipad or tablet charger (2.1 Amp) which i use on my droid 4 and charges it fast.
Regular chargers use 0.7 to 1.0 Amp. I know tablet chargers are bulky but they tend to charge your device faster.
Also maybe this thread will work for you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1984838
I'm using a 2amp car charger with a USB socket at the moment and I assure you it isn't charging at that speed. The other charger with the coiled cord does charge at the higher speed, but it also has the odd wiring.
That thread is interesting, is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about, but I'm looking for confirmation that it will actually work with the Droid 4 before I start hacking up cables. The Droid 4 seems to be fussy about which chargers it will work with, my 2amp charger worked fine with the HTC Desire Z, for example.
Another part of my reason for doing this is I want to use the right-angled USB plug that is on my USB lead, but that Micro USB connector is sealed and unmodifiable.
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I'm using a 2amp car charger with a USB socket at the moment and I assure you it isn't charging at that speed. The other charger with the coiled cord does charge at the higher speed, but it also has the odd wiring.
That thread is interesting, is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about, but I'm looking for confirmation that it will actually work with the Droid 4 before I start hacking up cables. The Droid 4 seems to be fussy about which chargers it will work with, my 2amp charger worked fine with the HTC Desire Z, for example.
Another part of my reason for doing this is I want to use the right-angled USB plug that is on my USB lead, but that Micro USB connector is sealed and unmodifiable.
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I'm not sure but there is a radio called ihome ic50 (Google it) i own it and it has a special switch which the manual says if the device has a proprietary charging protocol flip the switch. I made a quick test and it charges in both ways. I'm pretty sure your idea will work as long you know what you are doing. BTW the ihome ic50 is pretty cool for any android device.
i've been looking high and low for a retractable usb cable that support quick charge for the galaxy s6 edge. i travel a lot and a retractable cable will help reducing the mess in my backpack .. thank
http://www.aliexpress.com try them
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http://www.aliexpress.com try them
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nothing there. thanks for the reply though
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nothing there. thanks for the reply though
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From Qualcomm FAQ...
Q6: Does it matter what type of charging cable is used with a Quick Charge adapter?
A: Quick Charge is designed to be connector-independent. Quick Charge can be implemented with a variety of formats, including USB Type-A, USB micro, USB Type-C, and other proprietary connectors.
Quick Charge high-voltage operation is designed to minimize charging issues associated with long or thin cables, allowing for a superior charging experience, independent of cable type.
So i believe you only need a standard retractable cable. Perhaps something like...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Imustech®-...-1-catcorr&keywords=retractable+s6+edge+cable
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From Qualcomm FAQ...
Q6: Does it matter what type of charging cable is used with a Quick Charge adapter?
A: Quick Charge is designed to be connector-independent. Quick Charge can be implemented with a variety of formats, including USB Type-A, USB micro, USB Type-C, and other proprietary connectors.
Quick Charge high-voltage operation is designed to minimize charging issues associated with long or thin cables, allowing for a superior charging experience, independent of cable type.
So i believe you only need a standard retractable cable. Perhaps something like...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Imustech®-...-1-catcorr&keywords=retractable+s6+edge+cable
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I have a quick charge charger in my car with 2 ports. One has a standard USB cable, the other has a retractable cable. Both cables charge but only the standard straight one allows my phone to fast charge. I also noticed that the retractable one gets warm to the touch when charging.
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I have a quick charge charger in my car with 2 ports. One has a standard USB cable, the other has a retractable cable. Both cables charge but only the standard straight one allows my phone to fast charge. I also noticed that the retractable one gets warm to the touch when charging.
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cable sounds dodgy. anyway how about this one then
http://www.dracodesign.com/usb-2-1a-fast-charge-and-data-sync-retractable-cable-white/ ?
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From Qualcomm FAQ...
So i believe you only need a standard retractable cable. Perhaps something like...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Imustech®-...-1-catcorr&keywords=retractable+s6+edge+cable
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This is incorrect. The cable also needs to support Quick Charge. I've yet to find any retractable cables that do support it. I think this is because the conductor needs to be thin in order to retract.