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This is my reply to the mess of a thread located at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781513
I hope my suggestions are taken in the very helpful spirit that they were typed.
Thanks folks.
I'm gonna be all trolly here and what not. Is there not a way to simply FORCE people to read? As in, you can't post for 3 weeks after you join? It wouldn't stop people from being stupid, but it would help train them to Search & Read in the 3 weeks that they desperately wait for a Rom to drop.
This thread has the train wreck effect... I couldn't not read the whole damn thing. (I am actually very interested in getting the originally mentioned feature, btw.) And yes my post is Off-Topic, yet ridiculously relevant. I have quietly been a member of this forum for years and haven't seen this kind of wasted space ever. Maybe I should stop recommending people "Go check out xda developers online..." I am partially responsible for getting these people here. But, I believe a strong, open community is the best way to get results. Perhaps, all new members trying to post new threads outside of the General/Q&A forums get redirected to the Advanced Search page unless verified by a mod as a legitimate dev contributor? I am sure that would require coding a module for the forums... And since I don't know how to do any of that I will end my trolliness now. Oh wait, maybe a simpler solution - A "Wrong forum button" where if enough people vote the post gets moved. Seems simple enough and the mods can get the help they need without have the more - zealous - members of our community take matters into their own hands.
Thanks for your time and attention to my suggestions. I will now look for an appropriate place to post this in the main forum.
-Memo
See that's why I voted "against" xda samsung section, you'll see it will be even worse when we get an lg and istick sections
This place is becoming just like other places only flaming and "your problems are stupid because this is alright for me". Luckily there are still a lot of decent people around here which make me stay.
poll looks pretty inconclusive to me
Very umm, intellectual thread read that was.
But you know when inviting a couple of close friends over turns into a full blown Hizouse Partaaay a couple of fights are gonna break out...
Actions as such in that thread aren't very rampant but can make for an interesting read. But comparing contributions, join date and or post count in any situation is pretty moronic.
Has there ever been a thread where it ended happy and all party's posted:
Like, man I'm sorry man I was drunk.
Oh no man it's cool, man my wife was gettin on me about the garbage and kids were nagging.
So are we cool?
Yeah man. Can I invite you as a friend?
Oh totally!
That would be awesome to see...
good day.
I have seen many happy ending threads actually.
And honestly, I didn't really understand your ideas on what is being discussed. I think that if the actions were rampant then this site would be dying as many have before. XDA has a very long legacy, and it should be protected BEFORE it becomes a problem. Just how telling a 15 y/o that suddenly his backtalk is not acceptable would have no effect, telling the new influx of users being drawn by the boom in mobility that they have to behave in the forums when everything they see is "IS.HE.THE.DADDY.DNA.TEST-Developers.com" would be ineffective. Needs to be taken care of early. Prevent the problem. Don't waste tons of resources trying to fix it.
And just to be clear were you at all trying to be offensive, snarky, or sarcastic? Just curious.
- Memo
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poll looks pretty inconclusive to me
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It's a wealth of information! Perhaps we need to stick people into the Brain Training room from Lost. ...I'll go look for my lab coat.
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And honestly, I didn't really understand your ideas on what is being discussed.
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Actually just noticed the [Q] on the thread title, your post didn't really reference adding on to your suggestions. So my bad for not seeing the [Q]. Wrong forum button does have some potential. But the experienced xda user should know who his forum mod is and send a pm outlining any gripe with link to thread before turning it into a public chest puffing competition where in the end all who participated look like morons.
Is it feasible to have an ethics moderating committee that would monitor the content and actions of the first 15 posts of a new member? But it all still comes down to an individual showing that they have the utmost respect for xda and its users. Members involved in your example are not spring chickens and should be a little ashamed. Because a new user might think that is the norm for the forum.
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And just to be clear were you at all trying to be offensive, snarky, or sarcastic?
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No. The house party statement does hold a lot truth though. Even 3 years ago the "smart phone" was seen as a business tool. Even you brought up the influx of new users as result of the mobile boom. I'm 36 now and didn't even get a cell phone till I was 23. Now I see children with devices that I would die to have or be able to afford. The age demographic of this site has changed so dramatically over the last couple of years. And as elder members we can only protect the image of xda by policing our own actions and utilizing the forum mods for what they are intended for.
Since it is off topic I still feel like I need to have a little fun.
Boobs....... o.k. I'm done.
good day.
a good start would be requiring everyone to add a nice greeting to the end of their posts according to the time of the day
ive talked to the mods about this in the past and they liked the idea, but havent added it yet:
requiring a signature to be set up upon first signing up to xda including current phone/s, rom, recovery, hboot, kernel...
having set up so that registering could not continue without filling out these fields (of course there would have to be a "how-to" option to help those that dont know what those are or how to find out what they have)
this would stop the
"can someone help me please! my phone wont boot"
"what phone do you have?"
"G1"
"what rom are you running?"
"stock 1.6"
"what hboot?"
exchanges which take up half the posts in a lot of threads
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a good start would be requiring everyone to add a nice greeting to the end of their posts according to the time of the day
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tnpapadakos said:
requiring a signature to be set up upon first signing up
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This would also help create that pause for reflection and research that I think would really help the new members get oriented. Right from the start they learn they have to provide as much info as possible, if they are ever to get a response.
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Actually just noticed the [Q] ...
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Actually, I should have restructured the post. I just straight copy/pasted from a related thread where the info would have been read in context.
chopper the dog said:
Is it feasible to have an ethics moderating committee that would monitor the content and actions of the first 15 posts of a new member?... Members involved in your example are not spring chickens and should be a little ashamed. ...
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I don't know that it would be feasible. I was even thinking of perhaps a Volunteer Buddy Moderation, where you have to submit your first 5 posts for approval from a mentor. The mentor would be in charge of making sure the protocol was followed - Search And Read, Label subject line correctly, and provide full info... I just don't know that anyone is willing to work on the actual Forum Coding... And adding more work to the mods wouldn't be a good idea. If they had the time to constantly be vigil, they would kill the problem posts as soon as they are noticed.
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The age demographic of this site has changed so dramatically over the last couple of years. And as elder members we can only protect the image of xda by policing our own actions and utilizing the forum mods for what they are intended for.
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I guess it can be expected from the youngins, but how do you get the grumpy, reactionary elders to nod feed the flames?
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Since it is off topic I still feel like I need to have a little fun.
Boobs....... o.k. I'm done.
good day.
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Butts.
Good day to you too, sir.
Happy Ending. Don't see many of these. HERE
good day.
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Happy Ending. Don't see many of these. HERE
good day.
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That did work out rather nice... But they weren't being completely nasty to each other.
Not like these guys...
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/7993-ffc-for-the-vibrant/
Some people have every intent of being offensive. Don't really get the point but hey.
Kids will be kids
What i see is a lot of kids (15-30) in this forum tend to think since they know...... you should too. Forums should encourage newbies to get involved and once they are communicating then, reroute them to the right forum etc. this kind of considerate rational act would improve and make this forum WAY better, but then, I digress.
Requiring the signature probably would be helpful, but I think the moderator being vigilant and remind the sarcastic, inconsiderate they once were Newbies may be just as effective. People need to remember that not all here are devs, programmers or really techies. A lot are here for the education..... but then....my wife always said i was too much an idealist
WOW hit a new level HERE.
good day.
Hey all,
I'm an avid web developer and major time Android fan, I'm looking for a few people that also share my passion for Android - people that have well profound English skills.
I am in the process of developing an Android blog, whilst this may seem unneeded and a tad bit of extra competition to the many other well established blogs, I am sure that my upcoming blog will surpass all other blogs due to the content, context and a secret few features which I disclose at this current time.
All writers, will receive many benefits such as free products, applications as well as money (which is produced based on the amount of interaction with the community and views of your articles).
Sadly, I cannot enclose all the required documents, benefits or features of the upcoming blog but all will be clear once you're part of the team.
PS. I hope this is not against the rules of this forum as I post this in all respect.
Thank you.
UPDATE: Please visit http://www.droid-insider.com/2011/04/13/welcome-home/ for more information.
I must say SMCentral, I am VERY interested. I am a long time fan of Android and just fan technology period (especially in the mobile space). I believe I can provide some great insight into what you are trying to accomplish in your blog, if your willing to give me the opportunity of course.
I like writing poetry. it comes naturally. I've been told I was born before my time. Did and IQ test and apparently I am a Word Smith. I guess that helps.
I've contacted everything whom sent me PMs and posted in this topic.
If you are still interested, please do not hesitate to reply to this topic or send me a PM.
Thank you.
just becuz u talk to urself on paper doesnt mean u have better taste (or anything)
Well, I love to write and I absolutely love Android. Where do I sign up?
sakai4eva said:
Well, I love to write and I absolutely love Android. Where do I sign up?
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I sent ya a PM.
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just becuz u talk to urself on paper doesnt mean u have better taste (or anything)
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I have no idea what your talking about.
I really want to bump this topic.
We now have a domain for our blog it's http://www.droid-insider.com/
We're still looking for new writers so if your interested PM me your GMail e-mail. This is a paid job. Thank you.
Ill bump this for the op...
BUMP
Wow - it's been a long time since I've looked at this topic. Sorry for bringing this topic back from the dead, it's just because that I felt a bit disrespectful creating a new topic for the same topic.
I would like to let people know that we still have spaces open for any writers, this is a paid job. So, please visit http://www.droid-insider.com/2011/04/13/welcome-home/ for more information.
The name of this thread should be:
"Telegram is slowly becoming a better place than xda for free speech regarding Android development, UB and rooting"
I'm just curious, why is it so important to be on Telegram instead of here on XDA? I know Telegram is a well working system for quick, smooth and "all in one" chat/communication, but honestly, it's killing this forum. If you have a question and you put it here on this forum, your lucky if someone even answer (properly and in detail), while on Telegram it's already been discussed, tested and answered, long ago?! And the discussion on Telegram seams to be active almost 24/7 (like XDA back in the days), while this forum is stagnating more and more?
Are we meant to focus on Telegram instead of XDA from now on when it comes to brain storming regarding development and more complicated stuff?
XDA was the place for devs and tinkerers. But too many rules started to make it impossible to enjoy a place that once was as open as a hooker at a trucker stop. Just like anything else, it always comes to a stale point and time to move on. When you start off as a great forum and then start to police everything, especially devs and one's freedom of speech, you're no longer going to be the go to place. Telegram is where it's at.
Thanks!
dam90042 said:
XDA was they place for devs and tinkerers. But too many rules started to make it impossible to enjoy a place that once was as open as a hooker at a trucker stop. Just like anything else, it always comes to a stale point and time to move on. When you start off as a great forum and then start to police everything, especially devs and one's freedom of speech, you're no longer going to be the go to place. Telegram is where it's at.
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That explains it!
Wasn't aware it had gone that far?!
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I'm just curious, why is it so important to be on Telegram instead of here on XDA? I know Telegram is a well working system for quick, smooth and "all in one" chat/communication, but honestly, it's killing this forum. If you have a question and you put it here on this forum, your lucky if someone even answer (properly and in detail), while on Telegram it's already been discussed, tested and answered, long ago?! And the discussion on Telegram seams to be active almost 24/7 (like XDA back in the days), while this forum is stagnating more and more?
Are we meant to focus on Telegram instead of XDA from now on when it comes to brain storming regarding development and more complicated stuff?
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I've searched on telegram and there is just one group with 38 members. It seems inactive...
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I've searched on telegram and there is just one group with 38 members. It seems inactive...
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The "lg v40" group has around 240 members and is active pretty much all the time...
looks like all bootloader unlock and root threads were closed here.
I can't be the only one that can't find it .. I type in LG v40 and nothing that big pops up.
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I can't be the only one that can't find it .. I type in LG v40 and nothing that big pops up.
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I've tried to find a way to share a link to the group, but it doesn't work for some reason?
Anyways, Rose (@MissRose_bot) is the admin of the group LG V40. Maybe you guys can find her, and then, go from there
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I'm just curious, why is it so important to be on Telegram instead of here on XDA? I know Telegram is a well working system for quick, smooth and "all in one" chat/communication, but honestly, it's killing this forum. If you have a question and you put it here on this forum, your lucky if someone even answer (properly and in detail), while on Telegram it's already been discussed, tested and answered, long ago?! And the discussion on Telegram seams to be active almost 24/7 (like XDA back in the days), while this forum is stagnating more and more?
Are we meant to focus on Telegram instead of XDA from now on when it comes to brain storming regarding development and more complicated stuff?
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Well what we are trying to do is use Telegram for testing purposes and then put the final guide on XDA....cause this is where we go for the guides and such....but the rules have already removed our bootloader unlock threads....
A shame really. I don't think that telegram is a decent replacement. Too much chatter and noise. But agree with the sentiments around too many rules around here and combine that with the small number of phones that are bootloader unlockable and together they are doing a good job of killing off interest. Especially when someone kills any start to conversations around unlocking the bootloader.
I used to come here 2 to 3 times a day. Now....i think my last resort will be going to pixel. Too bad google doesn't know how to make a flagship.
And Htc
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A shame really. I don't think that telegram is a decent replacement. Too much chatter and noise. But agree with the sentiments around too many rules around here and combine that with the small number of phones that are bootloader unlockable and together they are doing a good job of killing off interest. Especially when someone kills any start to conversations around unlocking the bootloader.
I used to come here 2 to 3 times a day. Now....i think my last resort will be going to pixel. Too bad google doesn't know how to make a flagship.
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Good old days, back in 2010, had my first touch screen smartphone, HTC Desire (Bravo)... I loved it, and how easy it was to unlock the bootloader on their website! And rooting was natural. Xda was really a great place and everybody lived happily ever after, hehe
To bad HTC doesn't make any flagship anymore ;(
Inerent said:
I've searched on telegram and there is just one group with 38 members. It seems inactive...
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Here's the LG V40 Telegram link: MOD EDIT: LINK REMOVED
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Here's the LG V40 Telegram link: MOD EDIT: LINK REMOVED
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Per the forum rules, using XDA to promote social media is not allowed:
Self-promotion is forbidden, this includes blogs, social media and video channels etc. Random links will be removed.
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Refer to the sticky in this section titled "Telegram and Whatsapp Channels - Going Forward" for more information.
I actually find it similar to what the OP thinks. The forums are dying a slow death on some devices (some are still having threads created like breeding rabbits - lol)
The problem is twofold. On one hand you have the "instant-ness" of live messaging. Ask a q and get answers almost right away instead of waiting for days or months for someone to reply and get an answer if you're lucky. In the connected age now, everyone wants everything instantly. Waiting is for old school.
Then you have the forum itself which increasingly becoming less user friendly as you guys said. Enforcement is good but if you go overboard, people are gonna leave and they ain't comin back. It's fine to move with the times but sometimes it's not always gonna be good. I mean, look at the marketplace. It's effectively dead space since it'll throw you out to swappa. There should really be a place where people who offer paid services like unlocking or repairs to post their stuff in there like there used to be and posts in other forums for such services could be moved there when needed. Not just shutting them down. One might argue that it's illegal and all that but you could just then outline how the posts should be phrased to avoid such issues.
I dunno. I love this place and wish folks would come back.. but having the vibe of a state-pen visit when you log in ain't fun either.
sidenote : I see more and more mods having custom sigs and banners announcing their "Status". Is that a thing right now? The profile box description ain't enough anymore?
"self promotion is not allowed"???
I'm not promoting myself! I don't even have anything to promote!?
Weired!
My wishful thinking and nostalgia is definitely the reason for my disappointment here on XDA.
Do you guys remember:
"Two years ago, Chinese company CCMT bought SuperSU from Chainfire, a move which did produce a lot of chatter, and in some cases negative emotions, in the Android enthusiast community."
I believe this was a clear sign of what was going on in the Android world/community.
And don't forget the slow death of Android/Linux as open source. I am of the opinion that Google has always abused the rules, making open source a commercial "control" tool for their own benefits.
And then we have all those governments need for control. No one can deny that smartphones have become the most effective tracking tool there is. No need for implant rfid chips as long as we use our smartphones like we do.
And also the desperate race to get our personal information, opinions and interests/habits for both political and commercial reasons.
All this and the fact that today, more and more people own a flagship, so no big reason for rooting, except for privacy...
I'm starting to wonder who's really in control on xda those days, and who's reading/checking what we're up to in here?
Time for me to wake up and "climb a higher mountain"
OnePlus is in control of XDA now. lol
nyttliv7 said:
"self promotion is not allowed"???
I'm not promoting myself! I don't even have anything to promote!?
Weired!
My wishful thinking and nostalgia is definitely the reason for my disappointment here on XDA.
Do you guys remember:
"Two years ago, Chinese company CCMT bought SuperSU from Chainfire, a move which did produce a lot of chatter, and in some cases negative emotions, in the Android enthusiast community."
I believe this was a clear sign of what was going on in the Android world/community.
And don't forget the slow death of Android/Linux as open source. I am of the opinion that Google has always abused the rules, making open source a commercial "control" tool for their own benefits.
And then we have all those governments need for control. No one can deny that smartphones have become the most effective tracking tool there is. No need for implant rfid chips as long as we use our smartphones like we do.
And also the desperate race to get our personal information, opinions and interests/habits for both political and commercial reasons.
All this and the fact that today, more and more people own a flagship, so no big reason for rooting, except for privacy...
I'm starting to wonder who's really in control on xda those days, and who's reading/checking what we're up to in here?
Time for me to wake up and "climb a higher mountain"
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I can't speak for xda, but just like supersu and a lot of great apps like esfile explorer....most of the online forums are being bought by large or shady corporations and run my legal and compliance teams. These corporations aren't interested in the community. They are interested only converting the apps to spyware, advertisement, and what data they can collect and monetize.
It's interesting that if I go to some well known devs and mods profiles here on xda, they have links to Telegram, but I'm not allowed to share a Telegram (LG V40) development link??
Xda moderators, you're confusing us!
Please inform us what purpose this website/forum has those days?
I know for sure that originally, this was the place to be if you wanted to unlock Bootloader and root!
Sad....
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It's interesting that if I go to some well known devs and mods profiles here on xda, they have links to Telegram, but I'm not allowed to share a Telegram (LG V40) development link??
Xda moderators, you're confusing us!
Please inform us what purpose this website/forum has those days?
I know for sure that originally, this was the place to be if you wanted to unlock Bootloader and root!
Sad....
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They would allow the threads if and only if the info was public...which Vlad already shared but you need to have an Octopus box thing which costs $500 US, Vlad is helping and only asking for money if it takes along time but he's doing the communication from Telegram...so that kinda makes them salty...but I will never understand why they allowed the HTC people to Monetize S-Off...and post it all over XDA....
I figured since we turned this forum into a Questions forum with up and down voting for each answer, I'd ask:
How can we make the XDA forums better?
No answer is too outlandish...be creative. We're listening!
Maybe you think we have too many ads, or maybe you think search totally sucks. Perhaps you want more theme options, or you want more ways to learn development. Whatever your idea is, we want to hear it!
Do something to get rid of the elitism that permeates so many forums here at XDA. This drives away new users who would otherwise want to participate in the community. It also drives away old users who used to participate more.
Source: an old user who used to participate more.
Jaxidian said:
Do something to get rid of the elitism that permeates so many forums here at XDA. This drives away new users who would otherwise want to participate in the community. It also drives away old users who used to participate more.
Source: an old user who used to participate more.
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"Elites"? Buzz words are useless; specific details/incidents/threads please.
Anytime everyone agrees, something is usually very wrong.
Censorship kills sites.
Losing "elite" keystone members kills sites.
Censorship kills sites... an occasional flamewar is desirable. Real life is much worse; dumbing down a site kills it every time.
Couldn't search by device in XDA forums since this new design update . In old UI device I could search device from the search icon in top right.
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Couldn't search by device in XDA forums since this new design update . In old UI device I could search device from the search icon in top right.
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i can search for a device in the top right search bar with no issues..
DSA said:
i can search for a device in the top right search bar with no issues..
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Can't easily find the Galaxy S4+ or S4+ in fact I didn't find either.
It's convoluted, at best.
Please bring back the XDA Labs app. I found the app perfect! I cant get used too the newer app even after using it for quite some time now. It feels... i dont know. Right now i am using firefox for accessing xda.
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Can't easily find the Galaxy S4+ or S4+ in fact I didn't find either.
It's convoluted, at best.
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Ive never heard of the s4plus, i used to own and develop for the s4 too
all the s4 forums:
Samsung Galaxy S 4 i9500, i9505, i9505G, i9506
The Galaxy S 4 is Samsung's flagship device for 2013. The S 4 ups the ante of its predecessor thanks to a 5" 1080p Super AMOLED display (PenTile 441 ppi), a pseudo octa-core Samsung Exynos 5410 or quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 (depending on region), 2 gigs of RAM, up to 64 gigs of storage...
forum.xda-developers.com
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Ive never heard of the s4plus, i used to own and develop for the s4 too
all the s4 forums:
Samsung Galaxy S 4 i9500, i9505, i9505G, i9506
The Galaxy S 4 is Samsung's flagship device for 2013. The S 4 ups the ante of its predecessor thanks to a 5" 1080p Super AMOLED display (PenTile 441 ppi), a pseudo octa-core Samsung Exynos 5410 or quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 (depending on region), 2 gigs of RAM, up to 64 gigs of storage...
forum.xda-developers.com
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It's the active variant of the S4 made exclusively for AT&T. Hence little support.
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"Elites"? Buzz words are useless; specific details/incidents/threads please.
Anytime everyone agrees, something is usually very wrong.
Censorship kills sites.
Losing "elite" keystone members kills sites.
Censorship kills sites... an occasional flamewar is desirable. Real life is much worse; dumbing down a site kills it every time.
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Here you go. I just quoted an elitist response. The OP asked for "Whatever your idea is, we want to hear it!" and when I offered an idea, this response called it "useless".
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Here you go. I just quoted an elitist response. The OP asked for "Whatever your idea is, we want to hear it!" and when I offered an idea, this response called it "useless".
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You generalized. An invalid argument because of your statement's ubiquity.
No example, no details, then attack me for pointing out your flawed reasoning. Perfect.
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You generalized. An invalid argument because of your statement's ubiquity.
No example, no details, then attack me for pointing out your flawed reasoning. Perfect.
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I simply offered an opinion in response to the OP asking for opinions. I'm sorry my opinion has offended you so much. I stand by it. Elitist behaviors where people attack another just because they think their opinion is inferior is the exact kind of thing I was referring to. And you are demonstrating it admirably.
And by the way, I never once argued anything. You are the one doing the arguing. And you're welcome to continue. I'm done with you.
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I simply offered an opinion in response to the OP asking for opinions. I'm sorry my opinion has offended you so much. I stand by it. Elitist behaviors where people attack another just because they think their opinion is inferior is the exact kind of thing I was referring to. And you are demonstrating it admirably.
And by the way, I never once argued anything. You are the one doing the arguing. And you're welcome to continue. I'm done with you.
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You offered no tangible problems or solutions just a buzzword for something you alleged to exist here. No evidence to back you your claim or specifically what the "elitists" do to destroy the site.
That offends me. Vagueness is a common troll and political tactic.
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I simply offered an opinion in response to the OP asking for opinions. I'm sorry my opinion has offended you so much. I stand by it. Elitist behaviors where people attack another just because they think their opinion is inferior is the exact kind of thing I was referring to. And you are demonstrating it admirably.
And by the way, I never once argued anything. You are the one doing the arguing. And you're welcome to continue. I'm done with you.
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You offered no tangible problems or solutions just a buzzword for something you alleged to exist here. No evidence to back you your claim or specifically what the "elitists" do to destroy the site.
That offends me. Vagueness is a common troll and political tactic.
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Guys, please stay on topic
I would like, to have some sections, where people can learn modding, learn how to do proggraming for type of stuff we do here on xda.
usualy, someone post some amaizing tool, but it would be even more amaizing if there is separate section for developers who want to learn, deep inside of android system, how to mod it, code some useful software for it, etc
in these times, where all manufacturers are locking bootloaders, or completely ditching bootloader, so it can be unclocked, it encourages lack of experimentation android was before, because people have locked phones and xda forums isn't popular as it once was, there are no more amaizing things, and even if you want to try to make amaizing thing, you can't because there are no resources to learn android. manufacturers, make everything more locked, android is becoming iOS for some reason.
so basically, i would like to have section, like on stackoverflow, but to be focused on android modding, and questions people ask, how they can learn it. (as stackexchange android enthusiasts suck, and it's just that, enthusiasts, but not developers, programmers who want to learn and ask qusetions)
that would make this community useful, for developers.
usual questions, like Q&A is okay, but just want separate section, where real professional people look. (just look, at Q&A, full of regular people who have no clue, and not even read guide, all those questions can be solved with existing guides on XDA, and even if can't, then phone is hard bricked, or question is just trash, and that me, and i believe many others, programmers, professionals, drive back from it, we need quality questions where programmers can look for to help fellow programmer.
and, with this, upwote and downwote, it would be a good idea, as, in those special programming threads, programmers would be able to see most useful answer.
with all people bashing here, this became some low quality, chat forum, i wish we can make it more quality focused, but still noob frinendly, so it have sections for noobs (existing Q&A), and expert section
And what @Jaxidian complained, this would be solution, as sometimes experienced people don't have patience for noob question (they just say "why you don't search first before posting"), those people who answer that way, just wish they could answer and help someone more experienced struggling and not answer same questions from noobs that don't research before posting. (if someone is noob, he becomes even bigger noob if he ask for something that has been asked milion times on same platform)
my 50 cents
A 2-7 day waiting period to post for new members would discourage one thread wonders looking for a quick fix here rather than simple doing a Google search(s).
Help dissuade spammers as well.
Those with a sincere interest would suck up the wait...
blackhawk said:
A 2-7 day waiting period to post for new members would discourage one thread wonders looking for a quick fix here rather than simple doing a Google search(s).
Help dissuade spammers as well.
Those with a sincere interest would suck up the wait...
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Or limit the forums new members can post to just Q and A subforums.
My observation is that in the Q&A forum regularly - almost daily - the same problem (e.g. data recovery for bricked device, rooting device, bypass FRP lock) is presented by different users and asked for a solution proposal: in my eyes a nonsense.
My recommendation: The Q&A forum should have sub-forums for this.
Also, I do not understand why 2 Q&A forums exist, namely Q&A and Q&A->H&T. Users do not distinguish between them.
Please bring back the XDA Labs app.
blackhawk said:
A 2-7 day waiting period to post for new members would discourage one thread wonders looking for a quick fix here rather than simple doing a Google search(s).
Help dissuade spammers as well.
Those with a sincere interest would suck up the wait...
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I think that's an interesting idea, but nothing will make a new user more upset than a waiting period. In 2021, people expect instant access and quick gratification. If we were the only phones community, I would agree with you, but if I was a newb and registered then had a waiting period, I'd say "screw it, my problem is important. i'm going to reddit/AndroidCentral/somewhere else"
Sarticle said:
Please bring back the XDA Labs app.
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That's not going to happen unless a team of developers steps forth to fully take over its development.
I figured since we turned this forum into a Questions forum with up and down voting for each answer, I'd ask:
How can we make the XDA forums better?
No answer is too outlandish...be creative. We're listening!
Maybe you think we have too many ads, or maybe you think search totally sucks. Perhaps you want more theme options, or you want more ways to learn development. Whatever your idea is, we want to hear it!
Do something to get rid of the elitism that permeates so many forums here at XDA. This drives away new users who would otherwise want to participate in the community. It also drives away old users who used to participate more.
Source: an old user who used to participate more.
Jaxidian said:
Do something to get rid of the elitism that permeates so many forums here at XDA. This drives away new users who would otherwise want to participate in the community. It also drives away old users who used to participate more.
Source: an old user who used to participate more.
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"Elites"? Buzz words are useless; specific details/incidents/threads please.
Anytime everyone agrees, something is usually very wrong.
Censorship kills sites.
Losing "elite" keystone members kills sites.
Censorship kills sites... an occasional flamewar is desirable. Real life is much worse; dumbing down a site kills it every time.
Couldn't search by device in XDA forums since this new design update . In old UI device I could search device from the search icon in top right.
juned.khatri31 said:
Couldn't search by device in XDA forums since this new design update . In old UI device I could search device from the search icon in top right.
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i can search for a device in the top right search bar with no issues..
DSA said:
i can search for a device in the top right search bar with no issues..
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Can't easily find the Galaxy S4+ or S4+ in fact I didn't find either.
It's convoluted, at best.
Please bring back the XDA Labs app. I found the app perfect! I cant get used too the newer app even after using it for quite some time now. It feels... i dont know. Right now i am using firefox for accessing xda.
blackhawk said:
Can't easily find the Galaxy S4+ or S4+ in fact I didn't find either.
It's convoluted, at best.
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Ive never heard of the s4plus, i used to own and develop for the s4 too
all the s4 forums:
Samsung Galaxy S 4 i9500, i9505, i9505G, i9506
The Galaxy S 4 is Samsung's flagship device for 2013. The S 4 ups the ante of its predecessor thanks to a 5" 1080p Super AMOLED display (PenTile 441 ppi), a pseudo octa-core Samsung Exynos 5410 or quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 (depending on region), 2 gigs of RAM, up to 64 gigs of storage...
forum.xda-developers.com
DSA said:
Ive never heard of the s4plus, i used to own and develop for the s4 too
all the s4 forums:
Samsung Galaxy S 4 i9500, i9505, i9505G, i9506
The Galaxy S 4 is Samsung's flagship device for 2013. The S 4 ups the ante of its predecessor thanks to a 5" 1080p Super AMOLED display (PenTile 441 ppi), a pseudo octa-core Samsung Exynos 5410 or quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 (depending on region), 2 gigs of RAM, up to 64 gigs of storage...
forum.xda-developers.com
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It's the active variant of the S4 made exclusively for AT&T. Hence little support.
blackhawk said:
"Elites"? Buzz words are useless; specific details/incidents/threads please.
Anytime everyone agrees, something is usually very wrong.
Censorship kills sites.
Losing "elite" keystone members kills sites.
Censorship kills sites... an occasional flamewar is desirable. Real life is much worse; dumbing down a site kills it every time.
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Here you go. I just quoted an elitist response. The OP asked for "Whatever your idea is, we want to hear it!" and when I offered an idea, this response called it "useless".
Jaxidian said:
Here you go. I just quoted an elitist response. The OP asked for "Whatever your idea is, we want to hear it!" and when I offered an idea, this response called it "useless".
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You generalized. An invalid argument because of your statement's ubiquity.
No example, no details, then attack me for pointing out your flawed reasoning. Perfect.
blackhawk said:
You generalized. An invalid argument because of your statement's ubiquity.
No example, no details, then attack me for pointing out your flawed reasoning. Perfect.
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I simply offered an opinion in response to the OP asking for opinions. I'm sorry my opinion has offended you so much. I stand by it. Elitist behaviors where people attack another just because they think their opinion is inferior is the exact kind of thing I was referring to. And you are demonstrating it admirably.
And by the way, I never once argued anything. You are the one doing the arguing. And you're welcome to continue. I'm done with you.
Jaxidian said:
I simply offered an opinion in response to the OP asking for opinions. I'm sorry my opinion has offended you so much. I stand by it. Elitist behaviors where people attack another just because they think their opinion is inferior is the exact kind of thing I was referring to. And you are demonstrating it admirably.
And by the way, I never once argued anything. You are the one doing the arguing. And you're welcome to continue. I'm done with you.
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You offered no tangible problems or solutions just a buzzword for something you alleged to exist here. No evidence to back you your claim or specifically what the "elitists" do to destroy the site.
That offends me. Vagueness is a common troll and political tactic.
Jaxidian said:
I simply offered an opinion in response to the OP asking for opinions. I'm sorry my opinion has offended you so much. I stand by it. Elitist behaviors where people attack another just because they think their opinion is inferior is the exact kind of thing I was referring to. And you are demonstrating it admirably.
And by the way, I never once argued anything. You are the one doing the arguing. And you're welcome to continue. I'm done with you.
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blackhawk said:
You offered no tangible problems or solutions just a buzzword for something you alleged to exist here. No evidence to back you your claim or specifically what the "elitists" do to destroy the site.
That offends me. Vagueness is a common troll and political tactic.
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Guys, please stay on topic
I would like, to have some sections, where people can learn modding, learn how to do proggraming for type of stuff we do here on xda.
usualy, someone post some amaizing tool, but it would be even more amaizing if there is separate section for developers who want to learn, deep inside of android system, how to mod it, code some useful software for it, etc
in these times, where all manufacturers are locking bootloaders, or completely ditching bootloader, so it can be unclocked, it encourages lack of experimentation android was before, because people have locked phones and xda forums isn't popular as it once was, there are no more amaizing things, and even if you want to try to make amaizing thing, you can't because there are no resources to learn android. manufacturers, make everything more locked, android is becoming iOS for some reason.
so basically, i would like to have section, like on stackoverflow, but to be focused on android modding, and questions people ask, how they can learn it. (as stackexchange android enthusiasts suck, and it's just that, enthusiasts, but not developers, programmers who want to learn and ask qusetions)
that would make this community useful, for developers.
usual questions, like Q&A is okay, but just want separate section, where real professional people look. (just look, at Q&A, full of regular people who have no clue, and not even read guide, all those questions can be solved with existing guides on XDA, and even if can't, then phone is hard bricked, or question is just trash, and that me, and i believe many others, programmers, professionals, drive back from it, we need quality questions where programmers can look for to help fellow programmer.
and, with this, upwote and downwote, it would be a good idea, as, in those special programming threads, programmers would be able to see most useful answer.
with all people bashing here, this became some low quality, chat forum, i wish we can make it more quality focused, but still noob frinendly, so it have sections for noobs (existing Q&A), and expert section
And what @Jaxidian complained, this would be solution, as sometimes experienced people don't have patience for noob question (they just say "why you don't search first before posting"), those people who answer that way, just wish they could answer and help someone more experienced struggling and not answer same questions from noobs that don't research before posting. (if someone is noob, he becomes even bigger noob if he ask for something that has been asked milion times on same platform)
my 50 cents
A 2-7 day waiting period to post for new members would discourage one thread wonders looking for a quick fix here rather than simple doing a Google search(s).
Help dissuade spammers as well.
Those with a sincere interest would suck up the wait...
blackhawk said:
A 2-7 day waiting period to post for new members would discourage one thread wonders looking for a quick fix here rather than simple doing a Google search(s).
Help dissuade spammers as well.
Those with a sincere interest would suck up the wait...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Or limit the forums new members can post to just Q and A subforums.
My observation is that in the Q&A forum regularly - almost daily - the same problem (e.g. data recovery for bricked device, rooting device, bypass FRP lock) is presented by different users and asked for a solution proposal: in my eyes a nonsense.
My recommendation: The Q&A forum should have sub-forums for this.
Also, I do not understand why 2 Q&A forums exist, namely Q&A and Q&A->H&T. Users do not distinguish between them.
Please bring back the XDA Labs app.
blackhawk said:
A 2-7 day waiting period to post for new members would discourage one thread wonders looking for a quick fix here rather than simple doing a Google search(s).
Help dissuade spammers as well.
Those with a sincere interest would suck up the wait...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think that's an interesting idea, but nothing will make a new user more upset than a waiting period. In 2021, people expect instant access and quick gratification. If we were the only phones community, I would agree with you, but if I was a newb and registered then had a waiting period, I'd say "screw it, my problem is important. i'm going to reddit/AndroidCentral/somewhere else"
Sarticle said:
Please bring back the XDA Labs app.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's not going to happen unless a team of developers steps forth to fully take over its development.