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i just noticed that my 1 month old nexus one has the notification bar burnt in. go to landscape view in the browser, load a white background like google.com, and sure enough i can see very faintly the notification bar.
i've always kept the display on auto brightness. i'm very curious to hear if anyone else checks their screen if they have the same issue. the phone is only 1 month old, maybe 2 at the tops, so its very strange for this to happen. anyone else?
Had mine since end of March. No burn-in or any type of ghosting. I have my screen time-out set to 30 seconds. I wonder if that's got anything to do with it.
that's weird. my time out has always been at the default of 2 minutes. surely that isn't too much different though. 1.5 minutes shouldn't make or break it.
RogerPodacter said:
that's weird. my time out has always been at the default of 2 minutes. surely that isn't too much different though. 1.5 minutes shouldn't make or break it.
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how bad is it? Is it possible to show us a picture?
its not too bad, but definitely there. the concern is how new this phone is. what happens after 6 months?
I'll try to take a pic later, but don't have a good camera on me.
RogerPodacter said:
its not too bad, but definitely there. the concern is how new this phone is. what happens after 6 months?
I'll try to take a pic later, but don't have a good camera on me.
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Definately, you should give htc a call and tell them whats up. No rush on a picture.
AMOLED displays are worse for burn in than old CRT's, so br interesting to see how these fair
Got mine in late Jan and no sign of it.
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that's weird. my time out has always been at the default of 2 minutes. surely that isn't too much different though. 1.5 minutes shouldn't make or break it.
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Can't say either way if 1.5 minutes more of screen-on time can create the burn-in. But compared to the standard 30-sec time-out on most phones (some have 15 sec), 2 minutes is pretty long. You may want to set it to a shorter time-out duration.
you REALLY have to look close to see it. I tried it on black screen and you can't see it all. except in landscape the notification bar switches so at the very left inside the bar you can see the small faded line of the portrait bar.
i don't care enough to call HTC for any type of exchange or repair. I've heard the horror stories of their service too!
I have slight burn in on mine too. It's expected and I doubt the screen time out has anything to do with it. Keep in mind that any use of the phone the notification bar usually stays in the same place. Sometimes I have maps nav going on and that alone keeps the display on for the length of a car trip.
Also you guys can test by getting Dead Pixel Detect from the market and cycling through a few different colors.
well I'm not gonna get all worked up about it. sucks it happened so soon, hopefully it doesn't get worse. I'll try that dead pixel app just to see.
I'll take a pic shortly, but I don't know if it will actually be visible from a photo.
thats bad if its true....still a new phone with this problem already? wow..mine is less than a week old ...I will keep an eye out for it though, and if anyone has a solution that would be nice...
Drawing white on AMOLED requires much more than drawing black.
One more reason for using Desire (or a black notification bar theme)
I have two Nexus One's. The first was the Tmobile version which I used on ATT EDGE. That device has the purple tint issue and also has some burn in(uneven wear)where the notification bar is. Unfortunately I ran it with the brightness at 100%, 24-7. Now, it is very slight, but it is there.
I also have the 3G ATT version and it has no purple tint and has no burn in(uneven wear) yet and I've used it more now that I did the EDGE version. BUT, I never run this one with 100% brightness unless I have to.
Also, it is better to run at very low brightness for the first say hundred hours because there is a sharper dropoff in brightness half life during that time, making burn in(uneven wear)detectable with the human eye more likely to occur.
At the end of the day, for my situation, I blame myself for running at 100% brightness. I should have known better. LCD, with as long as they have been around, have innovated to the point of having very long half lives making burn in possible, but very rare. I was operating the way I always had with mobile devices. BUT, with these new screens, new care must be taken until AMOLED matures with higher brightness half life.
100% brightness I understand, but auto setting and this still happened in a month?
that pixel detector app definitely shows the burn in. I can see the icons too for 3g, signal meter, M from the pm time stamp, etc.
I guess there's no way to fix other than replace the screen? cause I'll change my notification bar to black if I had known this could happen.
I wonder what I should do...repair, HTC warranty, live with it, etc
I have the same problem. t-mobile nexus one. Happened about 2 months after I first got it. HTC replaced it. And it happened again on the new one. I keep it on 100% brightness pretty much all the time except at night. Doesn't bother me much though. I hardly use my phone in landscape and it's only on white backgrounds.
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100% brightness I understand, but auto setting and this still happened in a month?
that pixel detector app definitely shows the burn in. I can see the icons too for 3g, signal meter, M from the pm time stamp, etc.
I guess there's no way to fix other than replace the screen? cause I'll change my notification bar to black if I had known this could happen.
I wonder what I should do...repair, HTC warranty, live with it, etc
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If you get a new one just remember that even with a black notification bar, you're at risk. You will also need to run dark or black backgrounds to stay even with the black bar. Otherwise you will end up with a very bright bar and the rest of the screen will look yellowish/grey compared to it. It's always about making sure all the pixels are as evenly worn as possible. Another thing you can do is switch to a black notification bar now and run bright backgrounds and you can reverse some damage. It will never be perfect but you can get the wear more even again thus making the issue even less noticeable than it already is.
I agree about auto setting should have prevented this. At least you would think, but I'm no expert.
Several more things that can be done to help prevent this issue: if browsers or apps you use have the option to turn off the notification bar, use it. The more you can keep that notification bar off the screen, the more evenly you can wear the screen. Also, set your screen timeout to a shorter level. I used to use two minutes but now I use 30 seconds. The time that the screen is on and the bar is on the screen add up and can eventually contribute to uneven wear, and it's just wasted time waiting for the screen to timeout.
i'm seeing some faint burn in too
I don't feel so bad since I'm not the only one.
even with a black notification bar you would prob need white letters which would still burn in the white letters.
why the hell did I read this thread... lol mine is slight but I have some and I didn't notice it before because the only time I'm in landscape is in navigation most of the time.
I read this demo from Droid-Life about the Ambient Display feature of the Nexus 6:
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/11/0...-display-is-a-very-cool-take-on-moto-display/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyhaOjME5g
So, this supposed to replace the LED notification that we all knew already.
My question: When the phone receives a notification, the display will lit on showing the notification.
That's good.
But, for how long it is displayed?
I meant, I recall with LED notification, I could see it for quite long until I noticed that I got a notification.
Will the ambient display, display the "new" notification until we "touch" the display OR interact with it?
That would be ideal.
Anyone know?
Yep, it will appear each ca. 5 seconds for ca. 2 secs until you´ve marked it as read (or until battery is empty ).
So for me it´s kind of an smarter / advanced LED replacement
Only drawback is that it only makes sense with AMOLED display (Which we know the N6 is equipped with).
So, when a new notification came in ...
The ambient display will display the notification for 2 seconds ... then OFF ... then 5 seconds later appear for 2 seconds ... then OFF ...
Repeat the above until the notification is marked as read ... or the battery has run out.
Correct?
If yes, then I think this is better!
Sorry, now I´m not 100% sure anymore as I´ve seen your linked video. I thought that Google implements it like Moto indeeds blinks as I described, but on the N6 it seems to light up only (1x) on arrival of new notifications or if you pick up the phone. Fingers crossed that N6 will get kind of a permanent blinking mode.
Android police has a nice video showing this feature. The notifications do light up periodically after they come in. Something like every 5-10 seconds until you dismiss them. Picking it up does light the ambient display as well, but they will 'pulse' on their own.
Nice, was wondering how it will work. To me better then the led.
I wonder if dynamic notifications from the play store would work better in this situation.
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I wonder if dynamic notifications from the play store would work better in this situation.
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Have you used this on an amoled screen before? I'm curious the battery usage on it.
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Have you used this on an amoled screen before? I'm curious the battery usage on it.
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This is the response I got from the developer. I've used it on my nexus 5 before and it didn't seem to make a huge impact on battery life but the nexus 5 doesn't have an amoled screen. I imagine on they nexus 6 that it would be less of a battery hog than the ambient display.
thanks for your message! The app automatically uses the low-powered motion detection chips on newer handsets. The allocation of computing tasks to low-powered processor cores is, to the best of my knowledge, performed automatically by the system depending on the situation, so I would imagine that the app does make use of them, as it is frequently in the background and doesn’t do any “heavy lifting”. The CPU/memory footprint of the app is minimal, as it doesn’t constantly query for new notifications, but is provided with them as they come in by the Android system.
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This is the response I got from the developer. I've used it on my nexus 5 before and it didn't seem to make a huge impact on battery life but the nexus 5 doesn't have an amoled screen. I imagine on they nexus 6 that it would be less of a battery hog than the ambient display.
thanks for your message! The app automatically uses the low-powered motion detection chips on newer handsets. The allocation of computing tasks to low-powered processor cores is, to the best of my knowledge, performed automatically by the system depending on the situation, so I would imagine that the app does make use of them, as it is frequently in the background and doesn’t do any “heavy lifting”. The CPU/memory footprint of the app is minimal, as it doesn’t constantly query for new notifications, but is provided with them as they come in by the Android system.
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Thanks. I'm gong to have to try this out on n7 and n5 just to see.
gtalum said:
Android police has a nice video showing this feature. The notifications do light up periodically after they come in. Something like every 5-10 seconds until you dismiss them. Picking it up does light the ambient display as well, but they will 'pulse' on their own.
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Can't seem to find that video
With Ambient Display turned on and NO unread notifications, does the screen still light up when the phone is picked up (because that would be bad from my point of view)?
Mine is not breathing at all. The phone is locked and a notification comes in, it will light up the first time, but it does not appear automatically at timed intervals after that, only when you pick up the device.
Very disappointing..
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Mine is not breathing at all. The phone is locked and a notification comes in, it will light up the first time, but it does not appear automatically at timed intervals after that, only when you pick up the device.
Very disappointing..
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Half the time mine doesn't even come on when picked up.
mlapaglia said:
Mine is not breathing at all. The phone is locked and a notification comes in, it will light up the first time, but it does not appear automatically at timed intervals after that, only when you pick up the device.
Very disappointing..
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Yep, that's exactly how it works for me too! The good thing though is that it lights up 98% of the time so I don't have any major complaints about it.
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Do you not like looking at your phone and without having to interact with it know that you have a notification?
mlapaglia said:
Do you not like looking at your phone and without having to interact with it know that you have a notification?
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I have not gotten a "pulse" on it yet...it lights up when a notification comes in, and "breathes" a few times...but it seems to stop after minute or two...I don't see any settings to control this either.
I'd like to have a definitive understanding of exactly how it will function...
I did see the vid and from what i get out of it, sometimes when you pick up the phone the notification lights up, sometimes it doesnt. Not to mention, accelerometer/gyroscope sensor would need to be active at all times for ambient display to work.
A clear case of "if it isn't broken, don't f'king fix it."
Ever since I met the LED notification, I've fallen in love with it and I'm sad to see that the Nexus 6 is leaving it out. Since it has an AMOLED screen, I'm thinking what would it be like battery life wise if I left the display on to always show notifications (if there is one)?
well.... with Ambient Display, the screen will pulse on every so often with just enough pixels to show the notifications you have (or at least that's how i'm understanding it'll work).
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well.... with Ambient Display, the screen will pulse on every so often with just enough pixels to show the notifications you have (or at least that's how i'm understanding it'll work).
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i think that's how it works as well but most of the time, i'm not near my phone and i just want a quick glance over to see if there are any notifications.
It's hard to say, really. I'm running one of the AOSP Lollipop builds on my Nexus 5 right now... but can't exactly compare that to the Nexus 6, since the N5 doesn't use an AMOLED screen. Every time i see Ambient Display turn on, the entire backlight is on, too.
With that said.... even with an AMOLED screen, i can't imagine leaving the screen on constantly being a good thing for battery life.
Hopefully there's at least a charging led someone can hack to use as regular led. Worked before...
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Hopefully there's at least a charging led someone can hack to use as regular led. Worked before...
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Does someone have information about that? Is there any charging LED?
Dabarr said:
Does someone have information about that? Is there any charging LED?
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I went through a bunch of videos, but none of them show charging so far..
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I went through a bunch of videos, but none of them show charging so far..
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I don't believe it does, at least by default. The Moto X has an LED behind the earpiece, which you can see a picture of here but it isn't a charging light by default. With root you can change that.
If this holds true for the Nexus 6, I don't know. No teardowns of the Nexus 6 yet, or hands on with the device showing this functionality. Even if it doesn't have this light. I am sure there will be a way to use the display to get this info across.
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I don't believe it does, at least by default. The Moto X has an LED behind the earpiece, which you can see a picture of here but it isn't a charging light by default. With root you can change that.
If this holds true for the Nexus 6, I don't know. No teardowns of the Nexus 6 yet, or hands on with the device showing this functionality. Even if it doesn't have this light. I am sure there will be a way to use the display to get this info across.
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Yeah I was reading this about the Moto x also. Hopefully it kept that design too.
I found that ambient display is useless.
I was thinking that whenever I got notification, the ambient display will lit the screen and then OFF ... then lit ... then OFF.
You know, kind of asking attention.
It is NOT.
It lit ONCE, then OFF forever, until I pick up the phone (of course).
The problem with this, if I leave the phone on my desk for quite long, I won't know if there was notification arrived, unless I pick up the phone.
So, what's the use of this ambient display?
Damn, LED notification would be much useful!
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I found that ambient display is useless.
I was thinking that whenever I got notification, the ambient display will lit the screen and then OFF ... then lit ... then OFF.
You know, kind of asking attention.
It is NOT.
It lit ONCE, then OFF forever, until I pick up the phone (of course).
The problem with this, if I leave the phone on my desk for quite long, I won't know if there was notification arrived, unless I pick up the phone.
So, what's the use of this ambient display?
Damn, LED notification would be much useful!
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So you can either see the notification come in first time when it lights up. Or you can quickly pick the phone up to see if there are any notifications without it fully waking up.
LED is easier though!
I prefer they don't lit it on and off constantly because it is distracting when you are in a meeting and it drains your battery. Though having an option would be nice
Yeah, I agree it is a useless battery wasting feature (though the impact to battery is minimal). Thankfully the LED can be enabled with Light Flow even though that is flawed as well since the app will randomly get killed and the light won't work.
Ambient Display would be perfect if it flashed continuously until you check it and if it worked in priority mode, which it doesn't if you have priority mode set up like the old silent mode. If you don't want your phone making noise or vibrating but still need to see notifications it is pretty worthless.
you are dead on sir.
gogol said:
I found that ambient display is useless.
I was thinking that whenever I got notification, the ambient display will lit the screen and then OFF ... then lit ... then OFF.
You know, kind of asking attention.
It is NOT.
It lit ONCE, then OFF forever, until I pick up the phone (of course).
The problem with this, if I leave the phone on my desk for quite long, I won't know if there was notification arrived, unless I pick up the phone.
So, what's the use of this ambient display?
Damn, LED notification would be much useful!
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I was told Google is moving away from using led notification, but yet they designed a phone? with one built in but totally useless at this point. Hopefully the next update will address this.
Mine flashes continually until I check things... Every ten seconds or so. It is wonderful... Not sure what is up with your guys' one time notifications...
ambient display is alrite.... It doesn't work that well though. It does not consistently work when you pick up the phone. I would much rather have them activate the LED since it's already there.
you. me. and many more
tsy87 said:
ambient display is alrite.... It doesn't work that well though. It does not consistently work when you pick up the phone. I would much rather have them activate the LED since it's already there.
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I'm setting this gripe in many circles outside of xda hopefully they will address it in the next update. Lots of corporate people want that portion which was always a part of android and even non android phones of the past.
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Mine flashes continually until I check things... Every ten seconds or so. It is wonderful... Not sure what is up with your guys' one time notifications...
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So does mine
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I was told Google is moving away from using led notification, but yet they designed a phone? with one built in but totally useless at this point. Hopefully the next update will address this.
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in all fairness, Moto made the phone, whether for Android Silver or whatever other reason, it wasnt designed ground up with Google or originally planned as a Nexus.
I like ambient. Works great for me. and being an Amoled display, only the pixels being used light up, so battery is minimal
users report otherwise.
CraigP17 said:
in all fairness, Moto made the phone, whether for Android Silver or whatever other reason, it wasnt designed ground up with Google or originally planned as a Nexus.
I like ambient. Works great for me. and being an Amoled display, only the pixels being used light up, so battery is minimal
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Acording to the battery threads I've read, ambient display sucks battery.
mzimand said:
So does mine
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What are you guys using? Lightflow?
vvveith said:
Acording to the battery threads I've read, ambient display sucks battery.
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Does the device wake up from deep sleep for it? If yes it sure does suck a lot of battery. Especially if it is supposed to flash up in intervals to remind you of the notification.
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What are you guys using? Lightflow?
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I just tested it... it flashes up every 30 seconds or so. As soon as as you click on it the screen is on without any delay. So I guess it screws your battery hard by making it wake up each time? It would mean that as soon as you have a notification your device would wake up every 30 seconds.
I can't get Lightflow to work at all. Do you need a kernel that has LED support?
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What are you guys using? Lightflow?
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I am just using the regular ambient feature built into the stock rom. I am encrypted, rooted with stock kernel on stock 5.0.1. I have not messed with any AOSP roms .
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I can't get Lightflow to work at all. Do you need a kernel that has LED support?
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Rooted and use root access for the LED activated in Lightflow.
Lightflow screws up ambient tough. It constantly flashes as if it has an notification, even if it only shows the clock. This WILL kill your battery in my opinion...
Led notification will drain batttery fast?
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I actually like it more than Active Display. Active was much more sensitive to movements which for really annoying.
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Alienfreak said:
Rooted and use root access for the LED activated in Lightflow.
Lightflow screws up ambient tough. It constantly flashes as if it has an notification, even if it only shows the clock. This WILL kill your battery in my opinion...
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I don't know what settings you set to make it do that.
Light Flow doesn't do that here. Cooperates fine with Ambient.
I know there are people (Lightflow Dev) who are working on getting the built-in led working, and I think that's great. I wonder if there are any devs working on making Ambient Display more useful...? I'm going to shut off the Ambient Display today and mess around with an app I used to use on the Galaxy S called NoLed. It puts dots or icons on the screen and could notify me of anything... might be the ticket here.
so... I've had my N6 for about month and a half and last week decided to root, weird thing was, I DID NOT KNOW that there was a LED light on it ... while using stock, the LED light did not come on at all and only when i installed CM12 that i seen the light.
I want to go back to stock but i want the LED light for notifications. has anybody encountered this problem? how do i fix it ?
Stock does not support LED.
For me this is not an issue, why would I want an LED always flashing to show me I have notifications.
Went through the trouble of installing CM12 and you want stock?
Unless something was missing in CM12 like flaky bluetooth I would stick with custom ROMs
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Stock does not support LED.
For me this is not an issue, why would I want an LED always flashing to show me I have notifications.
Went through the trouble of installing CM12 and you want stock?
Unless something was missing in CM12 like flaky bluetooth I would stick with custom ROMs
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You don't want the light but i do ... preferences ...
installing wasn't trouble at all, my problem is that i feel like cm12 needs to get better and less buggy, the rom just started coming out so I wanna wait until most bugs are fixed, I was enjoying stock for a while, just wanted to test out cm12 to see where it was and for the way I like it, it's not ready.
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You don't want the light but i do ... preferences ...
installing wasn't trouble at all, my problem is that i feel like cm12 needs to get better and less buggy, the rom just started coming out so I wanna wait until most bugs are fixed, I was enjoying stock for a while, just wanted to test out cm12 to see where it was and for the way I like it, it's not ready.
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LightFlow paid app to control LEDs for notification.
wtherrell said:
LightFlow paid app to control LEDs for notification.
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does it require root?
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does it require root?
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Yes it does require root and you need the paid version of the app. I cannot believe the N6 didn't come stock with led notifications and double tap to wake. Beside the washed out/ way over saturated screen, I think I might return mine to ATT before my 2 weeks are over
Can't complain... Its huge but I kinda like it
Yes I was shocked at the light too.
Definitely should be enabled out of the gate.
Unlike the TINY one behind the HTC speaker grille with very limited viewing angle this one is bright and actually better IMO than Samsung's.
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LightFlow paid app to control LEDs for notification.
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One thing to note is that for now with Light Flow the only colors for the LED are red green or blue. Or if you manually change the color with the built in light flow mixer you can make strange combinations with the top half of the LED being one color and the bottom half another.