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any peopple coming from android in here? !
well, could you push me one way or the other please?
so basically, convince me to buy a hd7.
Recent phones, Nexus one, G2, captivate.
I've been diehard android since the G1 but when I saw this UI I melted just a little bit.
I will tell you the only thing I dislike so far is the current lack of app support which can only get better with time. The UI may have been marketed as something that you could pick up glance at and then put down but I find myself on it just as much as I did my g2. This phone has the ability to change the face of phones if Microsoft has the backing (how could they not) Jump on the bandwagon while there's still room, it's more than worth it.
My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it
Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.
adesonic said:
My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it
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ive done TOO much research. i swear im dead serious, at least 10 hours of hard research this week.
bernaserra said:
Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.
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agree completely. the hardware is really dissapointing though. ill definitely be wedded for two years, annd i think 3.5G (i refuse to call hspa+ 4g) will be commonplace byy then.
I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile
carmeng4evr said:
I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile
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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...
I wouldn't say it sucks per say.
I mean is the HD7 the best hardware i've owned? No
However given the actual software's pluses, it makes it
less of an issue....
I'd say my top 5 devices for hardware from 2009-2010
1)Sony Xperia X10--even with that low speaker, it is a sexy device
2)Droid Incredible
3)Samsung Captivate-Pretty
4)HTC evo/HD7- Basically the same device
5)Iphone 4
I've owned quite a few more but these are my top 5 from best to average
There is always the venue pro that comes out in a few days to consider.
But i dont think the HD7 hardware is that bad...the worse part is the camera...Usable but not the best
i agree, the sony xperia is onee sexyy device. xD
evo= +ffc
+8mp.
Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.
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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...
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LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?
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LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
z33dev33l said:
Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.
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your post is highly opinionated.
1)evo" [sprint] is a terrible carrier. =opinion.
2)Nothing should run sense. =opinion.
3)Motorola is all crap materials. =my girlfriend has a motorola charm. she dropped that thing from my upstairs onto hardwood, and it still works, no major scratches.
4)Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight. =I've never owned a galaxy S variant, so i cant comment.
5)iPhones just have the most terrible os ever made. =if thats not an opinion, albert einstein was part of Hell's Angels.
6) XPERIA poor glass= never owned one.
thanks!
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.
I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore
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That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.
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it's called a myTouch 4G.......
tfn said:
I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore
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thanks!
BTW, its WP7, because they "reinvented and thoroughly refreshed their hardware and software from previous generations. " they dont want people to think its windows mobile all over again.
But, imagine if you lose your phone. most self respecting android geeks have wheres my droid on their phone. if you ever lose your phone, you send a text to it with your codeword, and it rings, and the screen turns into your contact info. You put in a password, and it shuts up. Because, its open source, and apps have access to everything they need. That's the best part of android, IMO.
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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Let's put it this way, with WP7 ridiculous specs are not required. The phone in terms of speed runs rings around my old Vibrant, and the Vibrant has arguably better hardware(better GPU) The OS itself is hardware accelerated, Android can't attest to that so they need raw power to get the OS to acceptable speed levels.
Not to mention the hardware drivers are made by the OS manufacturer which means everything's a bit more tightly integrated and made with each other in mind.
Go play with one and see what I mean.
I have a four year old Blackberry Storm. I like the phone but it will not tether to my NC so I can use the phones internet.
Now I am looking for a new phone.
4G is not a required but it would be nice.
Suggestions?
Please tell us who your carrier is.
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Sorry, That would be a big help....
Verizon
The Samsung Galaxy S II
is rather sexy.
But there are alot of great choices out there.
4G would be a good choice in general. Tether it to your Nook and you can easily stream all the media you want to your Nook and enjoy media on the 7" screen.
The Galaxy S II is coming to Version in July
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-said-to-be-verizon-bound-in-july/
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Oops, read the article closer, I guess Galaxy S II in July is not confirmed. read the update at the bottom of the article. Sorry.
Definitely...
The 3 best verizon phones out there are the:
Thunderbolt (HTC) Good speeds, android 2.3.4 with gingeritis (a rom) root, sense 3.0 on that rom, but bad battery life. 4G though.
Droid Incredible 2 (HTC) I believe its Froyo, but sense 2.1 on stock rom with good battery. 3g though.
Droid CHarge (Samsung) Bad UI, bad manufacture. Android is OK with the customizations. But 4G + Extremely good battery + tethering = awesome time with the Nook
Good battery life is a lot higher than streaming video. I almost never use my phone for this.
My phone is primarily for work. Email, phone, data.
I am a Submarine Combat Systems Electronic/Computer Engineer and I upload ton of Word/Excel files, PDF ect along with technical manuals and cheat sheets that I have developed myself to aid with any repairs that I have to do, in any part of the world. Having world phone coverage is NOT an issue. But the issue with that, is up until now 99% of all phone screens were too damn small.
The NC has fixed that issue.
I use Documents to Go on the Storm and now have it on the NC along with a bunch of other apps. I want to start to use my NC for email and such in conjunction with my new phone. Sometimes I get new schematics, PDF's etc emailed to me when I am out on some boat.
My long term goal is to make the phone and NC one integrated system. Transmitter/receiver on my belt, and NC in my hands.
Does this help?
Oh, rooting my new phone will have to be a must....
Thanks to all who have already responded.
ikingblack said:
The 3 best verizon phones out there are the:
Thunderbolt (HTC) Good speeds, android 2.3.4 with gingeritis (a rom) root, sense 3.0 on that rom, but bad battery life. 4G though.
Droid Incredible 2 (HTC) I believe its Froyo, but sense 2.1 on stock rom with good battery. 3g though.
Droid CHarge (Samsung) Bad UI, bad manufacture. Android is OK with the customizations. But 4G + Extremely good battery + tethering = awesome time with the Nook
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bad manufacturer? how so?
From the verizon porfolio, i would wait for more LTE phones to roll out. There is really nothing attractive coming out from them.
ph00ny said:
bad manufacturer? how so?
From the verizon porfolio, i would wait for more LTE phones to roll out. There is really nothing attractive coming out from them.
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I have never owned one, but the general consensus on this and most every other forum seems to be that Samsung is the worst manufacturer by a very large margin. I have heard various reasons why such as a horrible UI, bad build quality and extremely slow updates to current models. Having never owned one I can't confirm any of this but the XDA community as a whole seems to feel that Samsung phones are not a wise choice and I've learned never argue with them so I went HTC
Edit: Also do keep in mind that many newer phones are expected to have locked bootloaders. This means no custom ROMS or possibly no rooting... and that means that if you want tethering you will have to buy Verizons tethering plan. So, if you are wanting to do the free tethering provided by rooting your phone then you will want to make sure that whichever phone you buy can in fact be rooted! And in the case of many newer phones coming out this summer, that is very much in doubt I'm sad to say. But then again all these rumors may be just sky-is-falling panicky behavior by us newbs, the Chefs may be able to root and flash boot-locked phones in a month flat for all we know!
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I have never owned one, but the general consensus on this and most every other forum seems to be that Samsung is the worst manufacturer by a very large margin. I have heard various reasons why such as a horrible UI, bad build quality and extremely slow updates to current models. Having never owned one I can't confirm any of this but the XDA community as a whole seems to feel that Samsung phones are not a wise choice and I've learned never argue with them so I went HTC
Edit: Also do keep in mind that many newer phones are expected to have locked bootloaders. This means no custom ROMS or possibly no rooting... and that means that if you want tethering you will have to buy Verizons tethering plan. So, if you are wanting to do the free tethering provided by rooting your phone then you will want to make sure that whichever phone you buy can in fact be rooted! And in the case of many newer phones coming out this summer, that is very much in doubt I'm sad to say. But then again all these rumors may be just sky-is-falling panicky behavior by us newbs, the Chefs may be able to root and flash boot-locked phones in a month flat for all we know!
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Outside of the whole brand bias, general consensus including professional reviews are usually favorable for samsung's high end phones.
They did have some issues just like every other manufacturer and it may have seemed worse partially based on the fact that they had the single largest successful line up out of all the android handsets last year
Btw, galaxy s2 came with unlocked bootloader and received at least two updates since early may and 2.3.4 is supposedly under way. As for the carrier delayed roms, there is a real issue there when two identical devices on two different carriers ended up getting the froyo updates months apart.
Btw samsung released the gingerbread update before anyone else.
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ph00ny said:
Outside of the whole brand bias, general consensus including professional reviews are usually favorable for samsung's high end phones.
They did have some issues just like every other manufacturer and it may have seemed worse partially based on the fact that they had the single largest successful line up out of all the android handsets last year
Btw, galaxy s2 came with unlocked bootloader and received at least two updates since early may and 2.3.4 is supposedly under way. As for the carrier delayed roms, there is a real issue there when two identical devices on two different carriers ended up getting the froyo updates months apart.
Btw samsung released the gingerbread update before anyone else.
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They also just sent free Samsung Galaxy S II's to many of the Cyanogenmod developers. Also, it seems that the trend NOW is that the manufacturers will be unlocking their bootloaders. (samsung has never locked theirs if I remember correctly)
Well that is good news. Maybe they are trying to buy their way back onto the XDA peoples good graces Hey as long as they have learned from their mistakes and are building quality phones now, nothing wrong with that! And I have no doubt that no matter what they buy the Devs, it won't get them any good press here that they don't deserve. Like I mentioned I never bought one. I've just heard hundreds of people posting about how "bad" they were for one reason or another. But I'm always glad to see another Android manufacturer step up their game, it's good for the community as a whole!
I have the Droid X and it play well with my NC using Wireless Tether.
I picked up a LG Revolution. Seems ok, but battery life is not great. Better than the Thunderbolt but still not great.
Using wireless tether on the phone, I was able to get my NC to the internet using Wi-Fi. Attempted Bluetooth tethering but that was a no go.
Thank to all for the recommendations.
my samsung galaxy s gt-i9000m is a fantastic bit of hardware that had lots of software issues that made out seem as though it was bad hardware. I found software fixes for everything that was wrong, e.g., microphone distortion, gps failure to lock, etc. & now it is a perfect device. Maybe HTC is better out of the box, but if you are a tweaker the galaxy is rewarding.
iolinux333 said:
my samsung galaxy s gt-i9000m is a fantastic bit of hardware that had lots of software issues that made out seem as though it was bad hardware. I found software fixes for everything that was wrong, e.g., microphone distortion, gps failure to lock, etc. & now it is a perfect device. Maybe HTC is better out of the box, but if you are a tweaker the galaxy is rewarding.
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Thunderbolt, Droid Charge are the best options. If 4G is not a must, the Droid X2 has a dual core.
They all will do what you want. Just different styles which is up to your personal tastes.
I have now had htc samsung and moto phones (all Android) and there are pros and cons. Just go to a store and see what feels best when you hold it.
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There really is no "best android" phone IMO. There are different needs for different reasons and people. You mention that you want to make them work seamlessly, blue tooth or tethering both will work. As long as the phone is rootable and a selection is there for apps to work together from phone to NC, then the simple answer is with phone do you prefer? I always make sure my phones have a battery that can be removed..screen is easy on eyes and I have a good feel for it. Currently using my EVO which is sprint for both my nook, transformer and when also my netbook. I might upgrade to the 3d and even thought about samsung galaxy 2..from what a friend of mine told me who has a samsung...flash CM in it becuase of the update issues..he is TMobile..
4g
Well
i use evo 4g with cm7 latest nightly to tether to my nc... it compliment each other....
Donny
I owned a galaxy s on tmo before. I liked it a lot. Very light, great screen, decent power. No build issues other than flaky GPS (vibrant version only?) Hard to brick for those who flash a lot. Problem with file system early on(due to proprietary fs), solved by roms. I actually unlocked it and still switch to it from my inspire4g. No locked bootloader.
But really, any android (that is unlocked bootloader) will work... its all about preferences.
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Do you really still have a IIe? (yea, right) That would be awesome. I had two of them at one time...
Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?
Lawyers everywhere are celebrating the arrival of the Nexus 7.
Google represents deep pockets, and every two-bit company with ripped-off patents will be looking to cash in.
Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
gotta give google some credit... they have the technology and know how to use it
While I was hoping it would have the original features of the memo pad as revealed as ces I'm thrilled by this tablet. I think having its software come directly from Google and carrying the nexus moniker more than makes up for the hardware changes.
This tablet was an excellent move by Google because not only is it great hardware wise, but the 7 inch market is where they can build a foothold on the tablet market.
I'm happy it is priced so competitively but to scoff at other companies giving less for more money bothers me. Google isn't making profit off this tablet. They hope to raise revenue from play store purchases, etc, but other companies that produce these need to make money off what they build. I don't begrudge them for that. In the end it would be nice for other stockish android tablet makers to either commit to keeping devices on the latest OS, or release source for drivers, etc when they discontinue support for them so that unofficial builds could continue.
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Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Let's just hope other oems will follow this standard of pure android and follow the supposed 5 nexus devices this fall. I love my phone but I love pure Google also
Locklear308 said:
Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?
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They bought the rights to sell the ASUS ME370T rebranded as the nexus 7 with features removed.
They didn't KO ASUS.
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.
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That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.
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no way at the rumored $300 price point. plus infinity is already released. no way you will get true HD 1080P nexus tablet with most powerful tegra3 variant(highest clocked, higher voltage, higher clocked gpu, bandwidth on controller increased) for that cheap. we can dream though..lol.
I see a nexus 10 model being closer to transformer 300 minus some features to lower price point. nexus 7 already uses exact same tegra3 chipset as in transformer 300, which is the T30L variant. So Asus/Google could build a Nexus based on that design. minus some features. corners have to be cut to make the cheaper price point.
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Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.
thebobp said:
Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.
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I'm pretty sure his 250 quote came directly from Asus back when they announced they where releasing it.
I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
anything I missed?
It might also bring down the price of some of the higher end tablets (are people really willing to pay an extra $xxx just to get feature xxx?)
Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.
I think they killed all competition in the 7" Android market entirely I'm guessing, and maybe will do the same to the bigger Android tablets if the rumored 10" is released.
Unfortunately, I think this will cause other companies to not build 7" tablets with better specs since most people aren't going to pay much more to have them.. (Like video out, micro sd, haptic feedback, etc.)
The Toshiba Excite 7.7 16gb @ $500? Dead, dead, dead. Only big difference is microsd and AMOLED. And timely updates from Toshiba? Not likely.
Galaxy Tab 7.7? Hard to say. Only the Verizon model is available directly in the US, so maybe it will hang on since it has cell radio, MHL, haptic feedback, microsd, AMOLED, etc. But then again it's over DOUBLE the price. (Disclaimer: I love mine. Verizon, where is my ICS update????)
There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.
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I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
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a slap in apples face for their overpriced ipad and marketing condescending commercials :good:
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There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.
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But these cheap tablets... The usually have no support, and no software updates, etc. That's also a huge reason ppl don't go buy them.
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Jayrod1980 said:
Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.
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I agree with you on some of the points but One x and SGSIII are not hick ups. One x might had some problems earlier but SGSIII never had any problem and it is the best ICS phone not Galaxy Nexus. I sold my Galaxy Nexus 2 weeks back and this was the first phone which does not make me feel wow about anything at all. It was doing everything at acceptable level but best at nothing. I agree that at $350 price tag it is a nice phone but I bought this phone only because I was short of money. Google did well with Nexus one, Nexus S and they were indeed best phones but Galaxy Nexus was just okay sort of phone even when it was released last year. I think the new Nexus would be much better which hopefully would be released later this year.
On the other hand what you have said about Nexus 7 on the other hand is true. Even though I have iPad 3 64GB with 4G but I understand what google is trying to do with Nexus 7 and I love what they did. I was looking for a good 7 inch tablet and there was nothing good in the market in 7 inch beside toshiba 7.7 but it was too pricey. Who is going to pay more than 500 for a 7.7 inch android tablet? Google on the other hand done very well by introducing Nexus 7 only for 200 and nothing can beat it at this price point or even nothing with 300 more price tag can beat it. It is even better than Asus Pad TF300 which cost way more than Nexus 7. The 7 inch form factor is also great and google made a very good choice.
Well, given that everyone seems to be giving their opinions, why should I be left behind?
The background: Thought I'd start by giving an introduction of myself. I'm 17 and my first ever touch-screen smart device was an iPod Touch 2G back in 2009. The next year I bought an iPod Touch 3G (and a white MacBook which is still my primary laptop, although I do own 2 more far more powerful desktops and another HP laptop if anybody gives a damn). The same year, I stepped into Android by purchasing a HTC Desire (actually a Galaxy S but replaced it with a Desire since I bricked it first thing). I wasn't new to ROM flashing and all since my father had owned a HTC Herald and I used to flash ROMs to it for fun, hence I was pretty familiar with XDA since 2007 or so. Subsequent months later I exchanged the Desire for a Galaxy S (in early 2011), then I went on to purchase a Galaxy Note on launch (imported from Germany) and Google gave me a Galaxy Nexus when I went to Googleplex as a reward. So currently I own a Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and Galaxy S all running in their top condition. The Nexus is running stock Jelly Bean with franco's kernel, Galaxy S is rocking CM10 and Note is currently running Samsung's stock ICS.
The iPad 2: As far as tablets goes, I imported an iPad 2 (I know I know, call the cavalry) right on launch and so far that has been my only tablet to date. So, yes. I will be comparing this with the iPad 2, I'd say I'm not very inclined on either camp, although I prefer Android over iOS.
The Nexus 7: Long story short, I wanted this. Plain and simple. I've always wanted to own an Android tablet, and 7" form factor is something I've been willing to try. Came Nexus 7, I simply wanted this. It seemed like the best idea. So I got one, made a deal on XDA with GarJones27 and got the thing imported, arrived within 3 days on Friday and been using it since then. So let the opinions begin.
The build: It feels damn sturdy for a 250$ tablet (I have the 16GB edition), the grip and feel is quite nice. The rubberised back coupled with the gloss of the front feels fairly good in my hands. I'd say it feels better than an naked iPad which feels kind of cold and metallic. Thankfully I don't have any defects that have been plaguing a good number of people. If I have one complaint, I'd say that I prefer the power and volume rockers on opposite sides. I keep pressing the power button when trying to increase volume, apart from that it's great and has a nice and heavy premium feel to it.
The display: First thing one notices when he/she fires the tablet. The display on Nexus 7 is pretty good. I'd say it's better than the one on iPad but slightly worse than the one on Galaxy Nexus/Note when it comes to colour reproductions. Although mine Galaxy Nexus has colour corrected through franco's app, so there's still a pretty good hope. But it's still quite good. The brightness is okay, good for indoors but can be not enough for outdoors. Overall I'd say it's a pretty usable display.
The JellyBeans: The greatest Android OS to date, and it is truly one of the best mobile OS I've used. It's much faster than previous iterations of Android, whether on Nexus 7 or my Galaxy Nexus. It just feels fast. The notifications are quite a treat as well along with general improvements throughout the UI. Up until Gingerbread, I've more or less hated the stock Android experience, I've been more inclined towards HTC Sense or MIUI. But since ICS, I've been keeping as stock as I can. With JellyBean it's the same story, it's just a better ICS with no (real) downsides. On Nexus 7 we're presented with a new "hybrid" UI. Can't say I'm happy or sad about it, it feels a little bit to phone-ish but the tablet experience is still their and well. The slimmed notifications look good. I've also tried the true tablet UI on Nexus 7 (DPI 160), and it's pretty good as well except maybe the font's a bit too small in some cases. Can't say I really prefer that over Google's hybrid UI although I love the bottom status bar. I still have to try the patches to enable tablet UI on this DPI, will try those as well. At this point though I'm pretty content with the hybrid UI and in more ways than not, it makes sense on a tablet this size.
My only other tablet OS experience has been iOS, and it's also been a pretty good one. Although limited, it still works quite well and has a lot of capabilities. iOS can still be considered smoother overall although not by much. Plus given the trade-offs one makes and the fact that the tablet itself costs half of the iPad, it's not bad at all.
The apps: This is one area where iOS beats Android hands down, especially when it comes to quality apps (even more so games) for tablets. Since I'm a big gamer, my primary concern is and always has been games. Although the scene on Android isn't bad with plenty of big-name games coming on Android with nice graphics, the situation over iOS is simply better. I own a lot of games on both platforms, more so on iOS (~300$ worth of games) than Android. But I see the situation improving, and am hoping with time things will be even better (especially with the Tegra 3 games coming around). This tablet is especially great if you game a lot and want Android, because of Tegra exclusive games out their. I'd love to see more games optimised for Tegra, as the ones which are are simply great when it comes to graphics (and I own a whole bunch of them)
The performance: It's a 200$ tablet made by ASUS...and has a bloody Tegra 3 in it! That's the second best SoC available in the market (after Exynos Quad) and it simply shows. Although it has a downclocked version of Tegra 3 when compared to bigger guns, the downclocking isn't much and if felt, can be simply overclocked (this is what this entire site is about!). The tablet is pretty smooth throughout, even when playing games and constantly shifting back and forth tasks. Can't say much, if you want benchies then I guess you can just Google them.
The camera: Couldn't care less...
The microSD slot (or lack thereof): Perhaps my only biggest gripe with the N7 is the lack of a microSD slot, I got a 64GB card on my 16GB Note and it still isn't enough. I've already got 8GB worth of apps on my N7 and still need to download a couple. Although with USB-OTG the situation isn't as bad but I could definitely use a microSD card slot.
The other things: The speakers are okay. They work but nothing to be proud of. I know it doesn't have 3G and while it can be a disadvantage for some, I always have my phone with me. So I can always tether.
The summary: It's a great tablet, period. Short of the lack of microSD slot and perhaps the potential build problems (which I don't have BTW), I can't really flaw it. If you're in the market for a tablet, get it. Just make sure the 7" form factor is for you.
Nice mini-review. One massive advantage the Nexus 7 has over the ipad (even if you jailbreak it) when it comes to gaming is the fact that you can install fully featured emulators as well pair a ps3 controller if you want to. This means you've got access to play literally millions of games on that tablet.
I challenge you to find a better 3D platformer than Mario 64 on iOS
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I'll give you the controller argument but AFAIK iPad also has a good number of emulators. I remember completing Pokemon Fire Red and Emerald on my iPad.
Having to jailbreak the iPad, fight with the lack of a user-accessible file system and having to go through the whole jailbreaking process each time an update comes out. Meh. I'll stick with a proper operating system I think... And that's being completely unbiased having owned every generation of iPhone and iPad.
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Fair enough, the process on iOS is far more complex and I agree with that.
For anyone who is on XDA a few years and previously owned a HD2 or Leo as it was also known I'm wondering if the One will become as legendary or even surpass the HD2?
The HD2 was a revelation as developers could do so much with it, the HD2 forums used to be a hive of activity and i remember the first time developers managed to flash android on what was a Windows 6.5 phone we thought it was amazing, given the one is looking like it's gonna be very very popular let's hope some of the developers come onboard and make this phone even better.
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Short answer? Yes.
The HD2 is still an awesome phone. Even stock it's still very competent at what it does 3+ years after its release.
What it can't achieve in stock mode you can accomplish whatever is left by booting into Droid.
Where can phone specs go after the HTC One?
11? The One already does 11.
HTC HD2 was one of the first if not the first phone that had all at once:
- capacitive (glass) screen
- big screen
- somewhat open architecture, so you can install other OS
- powerful CPU (although that is relative in time)
- good design
- ability to run Android (cool OS) while it originally run Windows (meh OS)
HTC One is not that special. Not even close. It can be remembered as one of the most pretty phones, but not more.
I lost my S3 and luckily there was an unused HD2 lying around the house. Wow, amazing phone. After all these years it's still awesome. I tryied out WP8 on it, works flawlessly; might try out android soon with dual boot.
The phone just looked good, even after all these years it's not outdated at all, the design is amazing and the components are top notch. Really great work. Let's hope the One can do the same
It was hampered with only 512mb ram - It was full in no time with android on it. I tried running it from sd card but it was stuttery.
The Tmobile 1gb might have been a different story - But for me it's a bit over hyped
I believe that at this time, owning any flagship except Xperia Z (it's great, but many mediocre parts lead to being unimpressive for some) will make almost anybody happy, whether S4, GPro, One or upcoming phones.
However, the bad production and marketing cannot make One fly. True story.
Ok about marketing, even HTC said they will put more effort, but still no where near the huge amount of endowment from Samsung, for sure.
But production is a bigger problem. Choosing aluminum is not wrong for the quality of product itself, but a bad idea for production.
No matter how good the One is or becomes, it will never top the HD2.
It was so far ahead of its time it was unreal, held down by Windows Phone, I am pretty sure it ran Android better than my Sensation ever did and of course it could run whatever it wanted.
The HD2 was unrivaled, but the One has the S4 and the Xperia ?something? with the same chipsets.
I love my One tho!
No.
When the HD2 came out, it was really different & powerful compared to what was available, but with the HTC One, there are many close competitors. The S4, LG, iPhone5, Xperia Z, HTC's own DNA/Butterfly.
The HTC One is a great phone, but it is NOT considerably better than the competition.
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It was hampered with only 512mb ram - It was full in no time with android on it. I tried running it from sd card but it was stuttery.The Tmobile 1gb might have been a different story - But for me it's a bit over hyped
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You do understand that HD2 was released 3 and a half years ago, right? How can be over hyped if it can run today WP7.8 really smooth and ICS/JB from NAND with some lag here and then, but completely usable and fine?
What other 3 and a half years phone can do that? What other 2013 phone can do that?
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What other 3 and a half years phone can do that? What other 2013 phone can do that?
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Indeed.
Looking three and a half years ahead:
Someone invents virtualization for the HTC One which allows you to run WM 6.5 / 7 / 8/ 8.5 /
Ubuntu / Symbian and a host of other operating systems and legacy apps in RAM / virtual RAM
Let's hope the HTC One has the endurance that the venerable HD2 has.
Surely, all phone I pick always is legendary, I still believe on my choice.
Wasn't the HD2 just an EVO 4G with a crappier camera and no kickstand?
Honestly, no it won't.
Of course it would be amazing if it ever happened but what are the chances of it happening?
The HD2 is the most developed phone ever and even though it's so old, it can still run the latest Android updates and WP updates aswell. I don't think any other phone ever will be as legendary (in terms of what it has achieved) as the HD2.
It was ahead of its time by a long way and that's what helped the success of it.
The HTC One isn't ahead of its time by such a difference, even though it's the best phone around.
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It was hampered with only 512mb ram - It was full in no time with android on it. I tried running it from sd card but it was stuttery.
The Tmobile 1gb might have been a different story - But for me it's a bit over hyped
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T-mobile 1gb? I remember the international version got only 448mb ram & 512mb of ROM and the T-mobile version got 512mb ram and 1gb ROM. Just saying, as others might think 'T-mobile 1gb' in a different way.
And in those days, I felt jealous as the T-mobile people got a great device with much higher storage and 1gb internal storage and 512mb ram were awesome. And it became great as Android is not popular and there's no galaxy series and no competition. Apart from all these things, the HD2 got great developers like COTULLA and Darkstone. I remember his team releasing MAGLDR bootloader for HD2 as a new year 2011 gift for the world, I can still remember that moment after I saw that post along with the stock version of Android with Sense. And one word to say about Darkstone, he made a build which has used Ram as Nand, instead of Phone storage. But the device was never perfect in hands, It can only be used as a secondary. All this happened, as the device was completely unlocked and after all it got great developers, who made it legendary.
@OP I don't think it's ever possible again with any device. Now a days it's taking at least a year time to achieve S-Off and some like One X(International) may take even 2 years, after that it's old and a newer one arrives, and everyone including the developers think of that new one. Same routine!
It might happen, if the bootloader is completely unlocked and if the device is capable of dual boot etc, which I see has a 0% chance. So, it's waste of time to compare any device with HD2.
I was thinking this myself, the HD2 is probably the most "loved" phone ever on these forums and for good reason, even though I jumped ship to Samsung I used to still pop into the HD2 forums for a look and was amazed that development was still thriving and still is albeit on a much smaller scale these days.
Can't wait to get the HTC One but will always have a soft spot for the HD2
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@shree.cse: I totally agree with you. Cotulla is a "genius", but Darkstone1337 in the beginning played an important role.
A very important factor was that HD2, Desire/Nexus and HD7 shared the same hardware, which made easier to port different OS. Also, HD2 was the top phone, there was no competition, you could not get a similar top Android phone. So, many of us bought the HD2 because of that, but after using Android, WM felt old. There was a "need", an "urge" to port Android into it, which also happened with WP after HTC announced that HD2 would not get WP7 because it hadn't 3 button layout (once again f**ed by HTC).
Things are different today, Android is much bigger than WP and the choice is made between top Android phones, not top different OS phones. Top phones keep coming out, incrementally - but not substantially - better, so it's hard to a phone to become such a legend, with such hacking involved. It is simply not needed.
I am always jealous and always blown away by how amazing the hd2 is, and how it still has unbelievable development 3yrs in. I remember in April 2010 trying to decide between hd2 and Evo 4g. It was too hard for me to leave sprint, so I went with Evo (which also still has a pretty amazing level of development),
No phone will be as legendary as hd2. I am really interested in getting a One, but the amazing devs for my device (Evo LTE) already have ported the one/sense 5 to our device, so that will hold me over for a bit
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@shree.cse: I totally agree with you. Cotulla is a "genius", but Darkstone1337 in the beginning played an important role.
A very important factor was that HD2, Desire/Nexus and HD7 shared the same hardware, which made easier to port different OS. Also, HD2 was the top phone, there was no competition, you could not get a similar top Android phone. So, many of us bought the HD2 because of that, but after using Android, WM felt old. There was a "need", an "urge" to port Android into it, which also happened with WP after HTC announced that HD2 would not get WP7 because it hadn't 3 button layout (once again f**ed by HTC).
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Well said mate, but Afaik, it's Microsoft decision of not upgrading HD2 due to button layout. And they did the same with HD7 as well, saying some other b******t reason.
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@shree.cse: I totally agree with you. Cotulla is a "genius", but Darkstone1337 in the beginning played an important role.
A very important factor was that HD2, Desire/Nexus and HD7 shared the same hardware, which made easier to port different OS. Also, HD2 was the top phone, there was no competition, you could not get a similar top Android phone. So, many of us bought the HD2 because of that, but after using Android, WM felt old. There was a "need", an "urge" to port Android into it, which also happened with WP after HTC announced that HD2 would not get WP7 because it hadn't 3 button layout (once again f**ed by HTC).
Things are different today, Android is much bigger than WP and the choice is made between top Android phones, not top different OS phones. Top phones keep coming out, incrementally - but not substantially - better, so it's hard to a phone to become such a legend, with such hacking involved. It is simply not needed.
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Ah yes Darkstone I remember him well and Cotulla too, havent seen or heard from in a long time are they still around
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Cotulla is trying to port Win 8 RT to HD2 Once in a while I go check his twitter account to see what he's doing. It would be great if he bought a HTC One, but he finds Android boring.
Darkstone IDK, I think he's no longer on XDA. I sometimes check his twitter account, but don't see anything "xda dev" related.