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why are apps running when i dont open them? memory leak also..

could be a noob question
every once in a while i will go into my advance task killer and see a bunch of apps running that i didnt manually open. i just checked my phone to see sprint nav, mp3 store, droid locator, internet, ringdroid, etc.. it also takes my phone from 71m free to about 35-40m. ill kill the apps, and they will be open again without me touching the phone. am i stupid, or is there actually a problem?

Okay bc those stock apps are coded to run at startup, and open themselfs for ease-of-access, this is normal. If you want to stop that, add them to autokill, and use a startup manager (market) to remove them from the start up screen.
For the mem issues, try disabling the GPS lovation services, that eats up battery life AND mem, same with internet.

If you really want your phone to fly, don't use a task killer.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/

abcdfv said:
If you really want your phone to fly, don't use a task killer.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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In theory this is true but in reality it couldn't be more misleading. Yes a task killer, especially one that is always running and using up resources itself is probably less than optimal in an Android environment, however they are sometimes necessary because things do not always work as they are supposed to. If you have root it is better to just use AutoKiller as it doesn't just kill programs but helps the OS by allowing you to set the limits for when the OS should start closing things. It also allows you to manually kill anything not working right.
Of course this is just my opinion, but I have tried it both ways on 3 different Android phones and my results were the same on all.

jlem26 said:
however they are sometimes necessary because things do not always work as they are supposed to.
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There's a section at the bottom that goes over this.
It's really more of an explanation that "Having free RAM will make my phone faster" will not make your phone faster.

Nook memory leaking...anyone else?

I am running auto nooter on my nc (lovin it) but i have noticed that the available memory is slowly leaking. On reboot, i usually have around 300 available and that number slowly but surely decreases until its so low that it reboots automatically.
I have advanced task killer installed and periodically kill all the tasks to make sure nothing is running in the background.
Any idea what might be causing this?

Advanced Task Killer is not helping you. Google has come right out and said Task Killers will do more harm than good on your Android device. Here is a good read:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
The fact that you can see an application's process "running" does not mean the application is running or doing anything. It may simply be there because Android needed it at some point, and has decided that it would be best to keep it around in case it needs it again.
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Once Android determines that it needs to remove a process, it does this brutally, simply force-killing it. The kernel can then immediately reclaim all resources needed by the process, without relying on that application being well written and responsive to a polite request to exit. Allowing the kernel to immediately reclaim application resources makes it a lot easier to avoid serious out of memory situations.
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czarjohn said:
I am running auto nooter on my nc (lovin it) but i have noticed that the available memory is slowly leaking. On reboot, i usually have around 300 available and that number slowly but surely decreases until its so low that it reboots automatically.
I have advanced task killer installed and periodically kill all the tasks to make sure nothing is running in the background.
Any idea what might be causing this?
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It will not reboot when it runs out of ram. My suspicion is you're seeing the 'random reboot' problem that happens on the stock B&N ROM. See here for a workaround: http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Issues
mrapollinax said:
Advanced Task Killer is not helping you. Google has come right out and said Task Killers will do more harm than good on your Android device. Here is a good read:
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I totally agree with this on 2.2 upwards... Unfortunately 2.1 is a little more lax about memory handling, and can sometimes get quite slow and jumpy and can benefit from a flush. I use System Panel and exclude all of my important tasks and widget, and if I see my NC getting jumpy or such, I'll kill all (which excludes those already excluded apps of course). But auto task killers are always a bad idea.

mrapollinax said:
Advanced Task Killer is not helping you. Google has come right out and said Task Killers will do more harm than good on your Android device. Here is a good read:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
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Thanks for the post, that was a great read and I am uninstalling my task killer now.
Mike

Regarding task killing, I recommend something like Watchdog to monitor apps as opposed to an auto-task killer. Watchdog has a really nice widget for monitoring system resources and in the rare occasion that an app starts misbehaving, it will give you a notification and the option to kill it. Otherwise letting the OS handle things itself is the best option. I've been using computers for a very long time and idea of leaving apps running seems counter-intuitive, but in my experience there is no reason to not trust what Google says about the issue.

czarjohn said:
I am running auto nooter on my nc (lovin it) but i have noticed that the available memory is slowly leaking. On reboot, i usually have around 300 available and that number slowly but surely decreases until its so low that it reboots automatically.
I have advanced task killer installed and periodically kill all the tasks to make sure nothing is running in the background.
Any idea what might be causing this?
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i am also having these problems but im on honeycomb
i dont have any task killer installed but i installed one last week to check if my memory was leaking or if the rom was just rebooting

Great stuff here. Thanks for all the info. I think it was the random reboot since it did seem to happen most often when i was putting the nc in to standby.
Lots of good stuff here. Gonna miss the little green widget on my home screen, but i guess google knows best...

czarjohn said:
Great stuff here. Thanks for all the info. I think it was the random reboot since it did seem to happen most often when i was putting the nc in to standby.
Lots of good stuff here. Gonna miss the little green widget on my home screen, but i guess google knows best...
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well i installed honeycomb preview v2 on my eemc from samuallhaff and it seems to remove this problem
i suggest you switch to his rom if you want the memory leaks to stop

luigi90210 said:
well i installed honeycomb preview v2 on my eemc from samuallhaff and it seems to remove this problem
i suggest you switch to his rom if you want the memory leaks to stop
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Don't confuse "memory leaks" with "weird wifi sleep reboot bug".

[Q] ignore Apps in 2.2 Task Manager

how the title says how can someone ignore Apps which are need like (sms time fix) when one clears the memory and not having to restart the app every time after clear memory

Just don't use the level 2 clear and you'll be fine. Only apps you should ever kill are the ones that show up in "Active Applications". Except for your launcher of course. Killing system apps and services is like shooting yourself in the foot.

ryude said:
Just don't use the level 2 clear and you'll be fine. Only apps you should ever kill are the ones that show up in "Active Applications". Except for your launcher of course. Killing system apps and services is like shooting yourself in the foot.
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How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!

Senor Forum said:
How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
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Clearing L2 level cache kills essential android processes too, and system would again need to restart all the needed ones again. Read abt 'android memory management' (link in my signature), and see if that helps.

Senor Forum said:
How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
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App data is stored in RAM so that you use less CPU the next time you run that app. RAM uses much much less power than CPU, why would you want to have empty RAM?
If an app in your task manager shows cpu % next to it, then close it because you don't want the CPU to be used at all.

As the previous two said, why would you need to have RAM free?
This is not like BBOS, which needs like 25% memory free in order to start an app.
The whole reason for having high RAM is to use it, if it is always free (unused) what benefit do you get from it?
Using task killers or freeing up memory in order to save battery is only going to drain your battery more.
Android loads programs into memory based on what it deems needs to be available to run quickly... and once you kill it, it will use CPU to load it again shortly thereafter.
CPU is a bigger drain on power than letting programs hang in memory.

Anyone using AutoKiller Memory Optimizer?

What are your settings?

I think you can set it to agressive (180mb).
I don't use it tho, dunno if it eatst battery like task killers.

Automatic task killers are unnecessary, eat your battery, and slow your phone down. They just play on the fact that people are trained into feeling more comfortable having more RAM free. The way to deal with keeping RAM clear, is to use Autostarts (buy from market) to prevent apps starting up in the first place, unless needed. Alternatively, if it's an app you don't use, just uninstall it .

goatee said:
Automatic task killers are unnecessary, eat your battery, and slow your phone down. They just play on the fact that people are trained into feeling more comfortable having more RAM free. The way to deal with keeping RAM clear, is to use Autostarts (buy from market) to prevent apps starting up in the first place, unless needed. Alternatively, if it's an app you don't use, just uninstall it .
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..or read what AutoKiller Memory Optimizer really is and see for yourself why it is used on almost 1 million rooted devices.
uninstalling unused apps or preventing automatic app starts is a good idea and there is a better tool for that

I'm using it, I set it to 'Aggressive' it works very well. In fact I consider it essential on my phone.
It's not a task killer. And task killers are okay too, see my thoughts on these in the link in my sig.

goatee said:
Automatic task killers are unnecessary, eat your battery, and slow your phone down. They just play on the fact that people are trained into feeling more comfortable having more RAM free. The way to deal with keeping RAM clear, is to use Autostarts (buy from market) to prevent apps starting up in the first place, unless needed. Alternatively, if it's an app you don't use, just uninstall it .
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Thanks but you're missing the point. AutoKiller is not a task killer like ATK.

I guess I should read more carefully next time . I used something similar on my Hero a while back, but didn't actually notice all that much difference.
ratson said:
..or read what AutoKiller Memory Optimizer really is and see for yourself why it is used on almost 1 million rooted devices.
uninstalling unused apps or preventing automatic app starts is a good idea and there is a better tool for that
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goatee said:
I guess I should read more carefully next time . I used something similar on my Hero a while back, but didn't actually notice all that much difference.
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AFAIK, AutoKiller is one of a kind. So pretty impossible to have used smth similar

Maybe it was the same app - it was an app to change the memfree settings. I just don't remember the name.
sacredsoul said:
AFAIK, AutoKiller is one of a kind. So pretty impossible to have used smth similar
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not sure which setting has caused me to just get constant boot loop. Or how to fix it WITHOUT doing a nand restore.
But other than that this works great
OK, for anybody interested, Do NOT enable IO scheduler (or at least apply it on boot) as this causes a reboot loop. At least with fear 8.1 ROM anyway

[q] best autorun task killer

Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works

no one is using any app. to stop unnecessary start up of tasks

try autostarts its very good
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Ditto on Autostarts. Also, Autokiller Memory Optimzer works really well, it doesn't kill tasks itself, it tweaks the Android function thar does it to work better.

auto killer mem optimizer workd well for me.but now i simply don use any of those batt saving app,mem apps etc i jus kill apps in inbuilt task killer...iam using my phone to the peek cause at the end ill b getting a 2ghz dual core by selling sgs.......cant stick to old things lol........cheeerz

tarunagg said:
Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works
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... what?
Do any of you even understand how Android works?

so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???

manosv said:
try autostarts its very good
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+1 Autostarts. It amazes me what runs on the phone after start-up, after you switch states or update apps. The perfect cure for batt draining nonsense

rocky23 said:
so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???
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Google it. Android is Linux based. Its memory management is not the same as Windows. I'd explain further, but you're the 4,753,857,195 person to ask.

I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.

Shanakin said:
I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.
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That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww

webwude said:
That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww
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And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.

upichie said:
And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.
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Well actually I don't see the point that an app, that I hardly use once per month should be loaded everytime I start the phone or change my internet connection. Also more apps at startup increase the time when the phone is available...
But on the other hand, you are certainly right, after a while, only the latest apps are still in background / memory. What I have recognized nevertheless: if you use a lot of apps with push functionality and load on startup, the phone runs out of memory...
Kind regards,
ww