[Q] Which Browser works best with flash? - TouchPad Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have tried ICS+, Dolphin, and the standard browser for Web Video. I need a browser that allows me to change the user agent to desktop and has flash performance that is on par with WebOS. I wonder why Hulu and others work so much better in WebOS? With Android the browsers crash constantly.

Flash itself carriers its own sort of user agent so that even if you change the browser's user agent it still knows you are on a mobile device. There was a modded apk on XDA somewhere. Your best bet for a browser is probably Dolphin HD. Must be the WebOS version isn't being blocked by Hulu.

HansTWN said:
I have tried ICS+, Dolphin, and the standard browser for Web Video. I need a browser that allows me to change the user agent to desktop and has flash performance that is on par with WebOS. I wonder why Hulu and others work so much better in WebOS? With Android the browsers crash constantly.
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Give maxthon for 10" tablets a try. Seems to default to desktop.
Good for me.

spunker88 said:
Flash itself carriers its own sort of user agent so that even if you change the browser's user agent it still knows you are on a mobile device. There was a modded apk on XDA somewhere. Your best bet for a browser is probably Dolphin HD. Must be the WebOS version isn't being blocked by Hulu.
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I applied the Hulu fix in both WebOS and Android. That identifies the Touchpad as a PC when browsing Hulu and similar websites. That is not the problem, Hulu starts up fine in both WebOS and Android. But watching the video from start to finish is rarely possible in Android.

pa49 said:
Give maxthon for 10" tablets a try. Seems to default to desktop.
Good for me.
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I will check it out. Thanks for the tip.

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Hulu and Flash

I noticed that Hulu's Flash Player requirements are 9.0xxxx, whereas the Flash Player that is in JACHero is 9.1xxxx. Has anyone had any luck with any Hulu videos?
Whatever your feelings on Flash, the fact remains that having Hulu.com working on Android would be a significant attribute for many people - even if you personally think of it as silly.
For me, G1 + Hero ROM + Hulu = Bliss!
Hopefully, the Flash Player will be updated again with another leaked Hero firmware.
I haven't been able to play hulu either. I just loads and does nothing else. When the hero rom was leaked some one said they were watching family guy on hulu.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/27/ps3-owners-get-boxeed-hulu-this-video-is-not-available-on-yo/
In the comments people were saying it no longer worked with the winmo skyfire browser either, so perhaps this has something to do with it? Although i would expect you see the error message instead of just nothing...
It would seem Hulu is blocking everything but desktop computers... they've locked out Boxee, XBMC, PlayStation 3, Windows Mobile, and are adding blocks everyday. Vewy vewy sad
Hmmmm....I wonder is there a way to mod the browser to change the user agent data it sends out to sites to say it was firefox etc? There has got to be a way. Or is there a proxy that can do this?
And, is there a way to increase the amount of space for the cache on the sdcard.
Can the flash player play streaming radio stations?
Wasnt the flash on JAC rom replaced by fatal1ty's?
I wonder if that was the reason why hulu doesn't work anymore.
fadedmicrobe said:
Wasnt the flash on JAC rom replaced by fatal1ty's?
I wonder if that was the reason why hulu doesn't work anymore.
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hulu never worked on JAC's version, the guy who had it working posted in the fatal1ty thread. i'm pretty sure he did anyway.
Me personaly I have tried... it gave me one error where it said I didnt have the cache space I went and cleared the cash and then it just loads and loads and loads... It wants to work but Im thinking it needs a tad bit better flash player...
ps double tapping on anything flash will set it to full screen... I think its sick! Hope they do update it... peace!
Vision77 said:
Hmmmm....I wonder is there a way to mod the browser to change the user agent data it sends out to sites to say it was firefox etc? There has got to be a way. Or is there a proxy that can do this?
And, is there a way to increase the amount of space for the cache on the sdcard.
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Well, for the user agent,you can use steel,but flash won't work unless there is a version based off of the HTC browser. Is there a source code for steel?
Pinesal said:
Can the flash player play streaming radio stations?
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I havent tried radio stations yet, however I frequent hiphopDX.com often for new single releases and they play great in the flash browser
I am thinking that there will probably be an upgrade to HTC Flash before Hero's release. Think of their embarassment in the face of an almost working Hulu. They need the sales, so let's hope they tweak the player a bit to work right. If YouTube works fine, I see no reason for Hulu not too.
kristoff123 said:
I am thinking that there will probably be an upgrade to HTC Flash before Hero's release. Think of their embarassment in the face of an almost working Hulu. They need the sales, so let's hope they tweak the player a bit to work right. If YouTube works fine, I see no reason for Hulu not too.
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The flash that comes with Hero is not the reason we can't watch Hulu on our phones. It is Hulu that is at fault. They do an HTTP headers check and see what operating system/platform/browser version we're visiting Hulu from and if it's not from a desktop pc then it won't play. They do this on purpose for legal reasons. Hulu has already blocked skyfire on windows mobile (the only flash capable windows mobile browser) and they've block anonymous proxies so using a proxy hack is out of the question.
in comment to fatal1ty/jac browser/flash they were the same ones, taken from the ruu/wwe hero rom release. there was nothing different.
shafty023 said:
The flash that comes with Hero is not the reason we can't watch Hulu on our phones. It is Hulu that is at fault. They do an HTTP headers check and see what operating system/platform/browser version we're visiting Hulu from and if it's not from a desktop pc then it won't play. They do this on purpose for legal reasons. Hulu has already blocked skyfire on windows mobile (the only flash capable windows mobile browser) and they've block anonymous proxies so using a proxy hack is out of the question.
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Well if that was the case then a simple About:debug in the browser then a change in the UA string from android to desktop would fix the problem......although this is not the case we need a better flash player UA string is a simple problem the fix.
When i go to hulu, it says error loading, check your browser and try again.. or something to that affect. Then when I refresh, it says loading FOREVER.
I think the site has put the brakes on us.
milesukaoma2010 said:
Well if that was the case then a simple About:debug in the browser then a change in the UA string from android to desktop would fix the problem......although this is not the case we need a better flash player UA string is a simple problem the fix.
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I was trying to make it as simplified as possible. In actuality a developer has countless information about what device is visiting their page thru FLASH. Please read up Flash and private information it sends and what is capable of being requested by a dev at Hulu's side.
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/privacy.html
They can find the pixel dimensions of our screen and determine we're on a mobile device. They can use the user agent string, DPI, screen resolution, and determine we're on a mobile device. There is absolutely nothing EASY we could do to trick Hulu into not knowing we're on a mobile device. So once again I will reiterate that our version of FLASH, or copy of FLASH is NOT the problem. Hulu is walking the line between legal video distribution and copyright infringement so they will do whatever it takes to keep whatever devices they want from not visiting their site. Our only hope interim would be a site that'd convert flv to perhaps html5 video tags which our browsers support.
Is the Hero flash player even capable of playing FLV? It may not support the entire Flash 9/10 specification.
shafty023 said:
I was trying to make it as simplified as possible. In actuality a developer has countless information about what device is visiting their page thru FLASH. Please read up Flash and private information it sends and what is capable of being requested by a dev at Hulu's side.
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/privacy.html
They can find the pixel dimensions of our screen and determine we're on a mobile device. They can use the user agent string, DPI, screen resolution, and determine we're on a mobile device. There is absolutely nothing EASY we could do to trick Hulu into not knowing we're on a mobile device. So once again I will reiterate that our version of FLASH, or copy of FLASH is NOT the problem. Hulu is walking the line between legal video distribution and copyright infringement so they will do whatever it takes to keep whatever devices they want from not visiting their site. Our only hope interim would be a site that'd convert flv to perhaps html5 video tags which our browsers support.
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I still don't see why a browser couldn't send false answers to these requests. I visit iPhone-only sites using the Steel browser; it might be more involved to do the same for flash conent, but possible, no? Or else, download the flash file first and then open it in Htc Flash Player?
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I just did some research, and Hulu is entirely blocking the flash player from loading for WinMo users, whereas from Hero, it is loading, just not playing video. The rumor is that Hulu is releasing a WinMo app soon, hence their desire to stop their site from being accessed otherwise. Whereas, their is no such app purported to be in the works for Android - so I believe that your theory is incorrect.
Furthering my case is the fact that the HTC Flash Player is also not working on a few other video sites that only require Flash 9. I still believe that the player just needs a little more work.

[Q] [CM7] Adobe Flash v. Browser v. Youtube

Hi folks. I've got the last nightly CM7 before it went Stable, and most things are working great. (Running off microSD via single-card installation at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022786 )
But I'm having a little bit of trouble deciding on the best way to configure Flash (v. 10.2) and the Browser in light of Youtube.
I'd prefer not to have to run the separate Youtube app all the time, but:
1. It seems Youtube.com detects Android regardless of the browser's User Agent setting, and won't display the standard Flash interfaces in the browser. (Goes to m.youtube.com instead)
2. It seems that using any User Agent besides "Android" keeps Youtube videos from playing when launched from the browser. They attempt to load and then throw up an error.
3. I would prefer to keep the User Agent set at "iPad" or "IE6", because many web sites load their simplified uglier Mobile version when Android is detected -- NYTimes, NPR, etc.
4. So if I leave the User Agent at "Android", Youtube videos play but I get the mobile web version at many sites. If I leave the User Agent at "iPad" I have to use the separate Youtube app.
5. Is there a "right" way to do this?
6. Is there any way to fool Youtube into displaying its standard Flash interface?
7. Is there any way to feed the "Android" user agent when visiting Youtube but the "iPad" user agent to most other sites?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can share with this humble noob.
Are you using the stock browser? If so try a different browser. I prefer Dolphin HD.
TheValk said:
Are you using the stock browser? If so try a different browser. I prefer Dolphin HD.
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Dolphin HD is still the stock browser, really, with just some add ons. Your better bet is Opera 11 Mobile - flash works quite well, and with a changed user agent string, does not get shoehorned into using mobile only sites...
Yes, stock browser. But I recently read that Dolphin is a skin or reimplementation of the same WebKit engine, so I wonder whether it would help? (I've used it under NookieFroyo and it seemed to have similar available user agents.) I guess I'll give it a shot later, thanks.
Edit: Thanks, Divine_Madcat. I'm not a big Opera fan (I've never liked it on Windows or BlackBerry) but I'll try it -- any particular user agent setting you recommend?
If you use Dolphin HD you can download a program called "Desktop toggles" that will allow you to toggle between mobile and desktop versions of the website.
xdabr said:
Yes, stock browser. But I recently read that Dolphin is a skin or reimplementation of the same WebKit engine, so I wonder whether it would help? (I've used it under NookieFroyo and it seemed to have similar available user agents.) I guess I'll give it a shot later, thanks.
Edit: Thanks, Divine_Madcat. I'm not a big Opera fan (I've never liked it on Windows or BlackBerry) but I'll try it -- any particular user agent setting you recommend?
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Actually, i hate Opera on the desktop, but the experience on the Nook is amazing - its like using a full desktop browser (and with our res, that is a good thing). One thing that sets it apart, is that it is using the GPU (instead of the CPU) for page rendering, which makes the scrolling and zooming seamless. It also supports flash quite well, and the entire experience is very well polished.
As for user agent; i am using the Firefox 4 windows agent, but really, any FF3/4 or IE7-9 should work just fine.
Thank you! Sounds quite nice. Interesting that it's such a mess on the BlackBerry; it seems to get hung staring at its own overworked graphics UI reflection and often won't even exit.
I thought it was odd that stock browser doesn't have a FF (or Chrome?) user agent, though I'm sure one could be hacked into place. Thanks again.

Best browser for Xoom?

Honestly I prefer the stock browser most of the time but I have issues with it displaying the mobile version of certain websites (I changed the UA String to Deaktop as well as iPad). Firefox and Opera also seem to do this. Dolphin HD has been better but honestly it runs like crap compared to some of the other browsers. Ideally I'd like a browser that runs as smooth as the stock browser but consistently loads desktop versions of webpages. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Try them all is the answer. Really cuz there are not many browsers in the market. I still think the stock browser is just fine. Plus until someone has a better idea than tabbed browsing then I might change my mind.
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downloaded the Miren Browser... works nicely but it does force close when you back out of the app instead of hitting menu/exit
I use both opera mini and opera mobile. they both work great.
Dolphin HD is a lot better now that it doesn't force close every time. I liked the stock browser best but now that they fixed Dolphin, I'm using that one.
I find Opera much faster. Downside is that it doesn't have incognito browsing(I think?), and Flash doesn't work, on XOOM anyway... But some would argue that you wouldn't need incognito because Flash doesn't work anyway.
I like the stock browser, but I find it a little laggy when scrolling through pages with a lot of content. And between Miren, Opera, Dolphin, and stock.. I would say Opera is by far the fastest.
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I find Opera much faster. Downside is that it doesn't have incognito browsing(I think?), and Flash doesn't work, on XOOM anyway... But some would argue that you wouldn't need incognito because Flash doesn't work anyway.
I like the stock browser, but I find it a little laggy when scrolling through pages with a lot of content. And between Miren, Opera, Dolphin, and stock.. I would say Opera is by far the fastest.
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Opera is definitely the fastest, but the greatest down fall is the scrolling.
when trying to read something opera doesn't lock the scrolling so you will never be able to scroll perfectly vertical or horizontal.
If they added that I would never look back at another browser
Also the long press actions on opera are pre 2.3.X so text selection and other things are a pain in the ass
I prefer dolphin. I set it up to view pages like a computer and I get great speed with it. It also uses flash. The stock browser is nice, but you can download the blue color pack and make dolphin blue also. took me a couple days to get use to it. Tabbed browsing and quick access to bookmarks is nice.
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I keep switching between stock and Dolphin. The only issue I have with the stock browser is that it refuses to load the videos on ESPN most of the time. It just loads the pic but will never play the video.
PearlMikeJam said:
I keep switching between stock and Dolphin. The only issue I have with the stock browser is that it refuses to load the videos on ESPN most of the time. It just loads the pic but will never play the video.
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I'm with you on that. ESPN displays video just fine in Dolphin, so I find myself switching back and forth between stock (I love the quick navigation tool) and Dolphin.
I am a fan of the stock browser but after a while it freezes and then force closes . My other fave is Dolphin HD and it doesn't always want to open a new tab when I long click.on a link.
opera mobile has been hands down the best for me, its the only reason i'm keeping the xoom instead of an ipad.
I've tried/used Xscope, stock browser, the latest Dolphin browser and Opera on the Xoom and lack the knowledge to do any factual testing differences.
Since it's all personal preference based on end users experience as well as what he/she downloaded and actually spent time with - My preference leans towards the stock browser but Xscope pro isn't far behind.
It doesn't appear many people use Xscope comparatively speaking (including phones) but it really is a gem and I would encourage people to at least try out the free version.
I'm curious why anyone uses anything besides opera mobile at this point? I've tried all of the browser options and opera renders and scrolls through pages far better than any of the others, they all just seem slow an unrefined in comparison.
I use the Dolphin Lite version of Dolphin browser. Been doing so for a while on my Droid X. On the Xoom I go back in forth with that and stock. I find the lite version does not have all the extra fluff that the HD ver has included.
bleomycin said:
I'm curious why anyone uses anything besides opera mobile at this point? I've tried all of the browser options and opera renders and scrolls through pages far better than any of the others, they all just seem slow an unrefined in comparison.
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I tried Opera but it refuses to load anything but mobile versions of sites. If you can tell me how to get it to show desktop versions like all the other browsers can, I'd be sold
Firefox does the same, and again doesn't seem to have an option to show desktop :-S
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I am actually leaning tordards Dolphin browser HD mainly because I hate having to press "about:debug" every time just to hit desktop.
bleomycin said:
I'm curious why anyone uses anything besides opera mobile at this point? I've tried all of the browser options and opera renders and scrolls through pages far better than any of the others, they all just seem slow an unrefined in comparison.
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-Flash Support?
-no quick launcher
-loads mobile sites. Not sure how I can modify the UA string.
-embedded videos do not load on certain sites.
tkdkenny81 said:
I tried Opera but it refuses to load anything but mobile versions of sites. If you can tell me how to get it to show desktop versions like all the other browsers can, I'd be sold
Firefox does the same, and again doesn't seem to have an option to show desktop :-S
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enter opera:config
You can set the User Agent string under User Preferences. For example: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.12011-04-22 22:08:44
el-zilcho said:
My other fave is Dolphin HD and it doesn't always want to open a new tab when I long click.on a link.
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THIS ^
I was thinking it was possibly just me, but I often have to do the long click several times for it to take.
On the other hand, I set it to open a link as a new tab by default, and that seems to work.
In any event, I'm somewhat tied to Dolphin because with the addition of the LastPass and XMarks plugins I can keep my bookmarks and passwords synced with my desktop AND still use Flash. So far as I know it's the only browser that can do all of this.

[Q] is there any good internet browser othen than ****ty internet explorer

Question,
so is there any, i downladed opera from market place but it doesn't work..
INternet explorer doesn't open half of the sites i try to open....videos don't run other then youtube on the most of streaming videos sites
Internet Explorer 9 (the desktop version) with html 5 will come with Mango update soon, that sould help with those issues, dont understand why your not using either the HTC Youtube app or the Youtube's own for your flash video needs.
Its adobe that are not currently releasing Flash for WP7, its not Microsoft or Internet Explorers fault...
oh wow
so its for sure then that my hd7 will internet explorer 9 desktop version in the next update
PoisonOmnia said:
Internet Explorer 9 (the desktop version) with html 5 will come with Mango update soon, that sould help with those issues, dont understand why your not using either the HTC Youtube app or the Youtube's own for your flash video needs.
Its adobe that are not currently releasing Flash for WP7, its not Microsoft or Internet Explorers fault...
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Soon? I don't know about that.
I like surf cube its a nice browser but it costs money and in mango everyone will probably switch to ie9 for hardware accelerated html5 and hopefully flash 10.1/2
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I'm pretty sure Opera hasn't made a browser for WP7... So that opera links app isn't a browser. Another thing... Opera hasn't made a browser because, if I'm not mistaken, Microsoft doesn't allow other browsers on WP7, only browser shells, so the rendering engine is the same as IE Mobile, but the shells or "browser apps" in the marketplace just present it to you with a different UI. Mango, although not "soon" (an objectionable point of view) will be bringing that killer IE9 to WP7. At this point all we would "need" is flash and we'd have the best mobile browser. I honestly don't need flash on a mobile browser, ads piss me off and YouTube is viewable via app. What else is flash good at? games? Please just play on a real console or PC when your at home, and when your on the go, WP7 Xbox Live games are really cool... So in my point of view once IE9 comes out, with or without flash, its gonna kick ass.
PoisonOmnia said:
Internet Explorer 9 (the desktop version) with html 5 will come with Mango update soon, that sould help with those issues, dont understand why your not using either the HTC Youtube app or the Youtube's own for your flash video needs.
Its adobe that are not currently releasing Flash for WP7, its not Microsoft or Internet Explorers fault...
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I thought another factor was that the current IE doesnt support plugins....
morpheus1982 said:
I thought another factor was that the current IE doesnt support plugins....
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That is also true and from the Mango unveiling yesterday they also stated that IE9 Mobile will not support plugins either.
I've been using Metro Browser since almost day one. Does a pretty nice job overall.

Boat Browser is JB/Nexus ready YES!

Without full screen support and desktop default options, the likable Chrome is just not doable as my goto browser....BUT...Boat is now good to go!
Boat is lightening fast...and a supple user experience. (I'm a browser freak and have tryed em all...ad nauseum)..
Finally my Nexus 7 is surf ready!
Errm, isn't this just another in a long line of lame browsers that just use the stock browser underneath the hood?
I'm pretty sure the ONLY real alternative browsers on Android, that use their own rendering engine and javascript engine are Opera and Firefox. Everything else is just baggage ontop the bundled browser.
CrazyPeter said:
Errm, isn't this just another in a long line of lame browsers that just use the stock browser underneath the hood?
I'm pretty sure the ONLY real alternative browsers on Android, that use their own rendering engine and javascript engine are Opera and Firefox. Everything else is just baggage ontop the bundled browser.
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I think you can add the new dolphin browser (uses 'dolphin engine) to that list too
BUT....full screen....default desktop.....and downloads big sites faster than Firefox and Opera..... Lame nonetheless Im sure..
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Lennyuk said:
I think you can add the new dolphin browser (uses 'dolphin engine) to that list too
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They can call it what they like, it's KHTML under the hood, KDEs, Google, Apples work.
No disrespect to dolphin but I don't think they are in that league and just add frills to default.
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CrazyPeter said:
Errm, isn't this just another in a long line of lame browsers that just use the stock browser underneath the hood?
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Wouldn't know, all I know is Boat doesn't jitter a lot when scrolling on graphics-heavy sites on my phone compared to other browsers, even stock gingerbread. Doesn't really matter much on the Nexus 7 due to its specs, Dolphin is working out alright for me.

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