Hi. I tried a few of ICS roms available for i9000 out there, and all of them are pretty fast, much better than I expected. The only issue I have with any ICS rom I've recently tried is that they close apps in background quite often. For example, I might open my Opera Mobile, switch to SMS app, send a message, and then when I return Opera has to start over and load all the pages again. Does it happen to You as well? As a comparison, I tested it with a 2.3.4 MIUI rom I had as a Nandroid backup, and it's much better - most apps stay open in background for a longer time.
Is it possible that ICS has that bigger of a memory footprint over Gingerbread? What are your opinions on that? Experienced similar issues? Any workarounds?
warnec said:
Hi. I tried a few of ICS roms available for i9000 out there, and all of them are pretty fast, much better than I expected. The only issue I have with any ICS rom I've recently tried is that they close apps in background quite often. For example, I might open my Opera Mobile, switch to SMS app, send a message, and then when I return Opera has to start over and load all the pages again. Does it happen to You as well? As a comparison, I tested it with a 2.3.4 MIUI rom I had as a Nandroid backup, and it's much better - most apps stay open in background for a longer time.
Is it possible that ICS has that bigger of a memory footprint over Gingerbread? What are your opinions on that? Experienced similar issues? Any workarounds?
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Try using less widgets. Don't use apps like Facebook. Check push notification services of some apps.
Also, i seem to remember that Opera Mobile tends to "forget" loaded pages very quickly, if you don't come back to the app quite fast...
You can also try and check under settings > developer options > see if you have checked "don't keep activities" and under "background process limit" choose "standard limit"
Since I'm only getting advice, I take it I'm the only one having this problem? Strange. The only widget I have on my desktop is the stock ICS analog clock widget, and there is no such thing as "Developer options" in my Opera Mobile.
Right now I'm using AOKP rom b27, there is an option called "Free memory - Amount of RAM the minfree taskkiller will keep". I tried to change it to max possible - 100MB, didn't change anything.
Is you are using ICS roms, you never had such issues? Which roms do you use?
PS Could a different kernel make it better?
Opera uses alot of memory and the phones memory is very limited. Doesn't matter the ROM it will often get closed when you leave it to do other things.
BTW increasing the memory the OS keeps free makes it worse, how do you think it frees memory? By closing things. You actually want to decrease the memory it keeps free to try and help with this. The downside is that the phone will probably lag more and I have found it doesn't help much.
I'll try to use the stock browser. As to that task manager setting:
The description says:"Amount of RAM the taskkiller will keep", so I have no idea if it means keeping some RAM available at all times or is it the amount of RAM that can't be cleared.
warnec said:
I'll try to use the stock browser. As to that task manager setting:
The description says:"Amount of RAM the taskkiller will keep", so I have no idea if it means keeping some RAM available at all times or is it the amount of RAM that can't be cleared.
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It is never the amount of RAM that can not be cleared it is the amount of RAM to keep free. ie if you set 64MB Ram to be kept free Taskkiller will keep that amount of memory free by killing the oldest non active task/process
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You don’t need to change your ROM to get the best from your 2x, just a rooted stock ROM and a couple of apps that will change things dramatically. One thing I’ve noticed on the 2x is its memory management is too lenient and gets consumed quickly by background tasks etc. In no time I was down to 40-30Mb free memory and then my phone would run like a dog resulting in a reboot as the only solution.
Installing task and app killers are not the way, as they’ll only give you a short respite before the apps and background tasks you killed relaunch.
However, there is a solution.
1)Root your phone using SuperOneClick (piece of cake, instruction already on this forum)
2)Install “AutoKiller Memory Optimizer” by AndRS Studio free from the market
Optional
3) Install “Watchdog Task Manager” by Zolmut LLC (There’s a free or Paid version) I paid!
4) Install “Root App Remover” by Best of Best Android app
AutoKiller is not a task killer/manager it reconfigures Androids inbuilt memory manager to kill or suppress memory usage by applications and tasks. I now always have about 140-170MB free RAM at all times regardless of what I’m doing (but I do close my apps with the back button rather than click home)
AutoKiller Memory Optimizer Settings
I’ve used the ‘Extreme’ settings to ensure I have around 150MB free, and this makes a huge difference in everything I do with the phone.
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Watchdog
Yeah, I know this is a task killer but Watchdog is different from other task mangers as it monitors CPU usage rather than free RAM, 3D Gallery for example is a CPU hog on my 2X, so I configured it to be killed if it consumes more than 30% CPU whilst running in the background, you’d be surprised what saps your battery!
Root App Remover
Uninstall the tosh supplied on the ROM, I removed the following, AndroidBackup (I use Titanium Backup), CarHome, F-Secure_Mobile_Security, SNS (If you’re not using the built in Facebook and Twitter app).
I also use LauncherPro with Beautiful Widgets to give my phone an almost HTC Sense look and feel and uninstalled LG Home using Root App Remover afterwards.
Hope it makes a difference for you, it did for me, vote if you like
What do you think having 140-170MB RAM free at all times actually does?
Guess what? Nothing.
I disagree, my phone runs way better now, maybe due to the fact that in part it’s killing more background tasks and enforcing better garbage collection. I want a phone that when I go to it, it responds immediately, I don’t want my phone to chug along whilst a new app is launched and android then decides to kill lower priority background tasks resulting in a choppy experience. These are my findings, and I wanted to share them. As a result using this particular application I now have a phone I can enjoy, rather than being frustrated by pausing, choppiness etc.
I would welcome your reasoning to why my post is useless, or explain why my phone is now running so well? Are you saying I’m suffering a placebo effect? Remember, this app is not a task killer, it reconfigures Androids internal memory management, see here:
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
and
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/158846-autokiller-vs-setcpu.html#post1452069
Finally, I’m very happy with the results.
Spadb (HTC G1, HTC HD2[CM7], LG Optimus x2
We want to see some bench marks.
Thanks for sharing! My phone does become much more responsive
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I tried the app too and i can say that it works, I also did some of the advanced tweaks.
phone seems more responsive now.
Yes, me too. It's more responsive now. Also when I open app manager, the app list is a lot faster.I know it's more related to file read/write but still it's nice to finally able to browse with less waiting time.
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thx
good one and simple, thx
cann someone please post some benchmarks?
Here are some screenshots, tested with AnTuTu Benchmark
The first one is v10c stock, some apps like f-secure, carapp etc frozen, second one is with using autokiller memory with preset extreme, third one is to compare, this was while using cm7.1 rc
now we'll see if autokiller works stable ^^
edit: realized that with cm7 something seemed to be wrong with the sd-card, so don't forget to compare the single-scores
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I disagree, my phone runs way better now, maybe due to the fact that in part it’s killing more background tasks and enforcing better garbage collection. I want a phone that when I go to it, it responds immediately, I don’t want my phone to chug along whilst a new app is launched and android then decides to kill lower priority background tasks resulting in a choppy experience. These are my findings, and I wanted to share them. As a result using this particular application I now have a phone I can enjoy, rather than being frustrated by pausing, choppiness etc.
I would welcome your reasoning to why my post is useless, or explain why my phone is now running so well? Are you saying I’m suffering a placebo effect? Remember, this app is not a task killer, it reconfigures Androids internal memory management, see here:
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
and
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/158846-autokiller-vs-setcpu.html#post1452069
Finally, I’m very happy with the results.
Spadb (HTC G1, HTC HD2[CM7], LG Optimus x2
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I'm sure Rusty knows what he is talking about. Thing is, this talk about "the more free ram the better" has been repeated so many times, and at the end of the day, it seems to be more about user preference.
The default LG ROM seems to allow tasks to run in the background until it reaches around 50MB free RAM, then it starts to close tasks one by one. For multi-taskers like me, this is fine, I love how I can switch between facebook, tweetdeck, miren browser, google+, gmail, and messaging without seeing the apps reload.
For some, they'd want to open a task, close it, and move on to another without looking back. I guess that is where the 100MB of RAM is good for.
If you guys will be looking at benchmarks, I can guarantee that you will have higher scores with RAM optimizers. As benchmarks do not test multitasking, they simply check the performance of your phone at that point in time. (Which is also why some modders pump up their CPU freq to insane values before doing their bench then posting it.)
I have nothing against AKMO, and I find it very effective for Froyo builds. But I would recommend that each user try it out themselves. It's not a "1 fix for all" thing.
spadb said:
I disagree, my phone runs way better now, maybe due to the fact that in part it’s killing more background tasks and enforcing better garbage collection. I want a phone that when I go to it, it responds immediately, I don’t want my phone to chug along whilst a new app is launched and android then decides to kill lower priority background tasks resulting in a choppy experience. These are my findings, and I wanted to share them. As a result using this particular application I now have a phone I can enjoy, rather than being frustrated by pausing, choppiness etc.
I would welcome your reasoning to why my post is useless, or explain why my phone is now running so well? Are you saying I’m suffering a placebo effect? Remember, this app is not a task killer, it reconfigures Androids internal memory management, see here:
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
and
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/158846-autokiller-vs-setcpu.html#post1452069
Finally, I’m very happy with the results.
Spadb (HTC G1, HTC HD2[CM7], LG Optimus x2
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I'll just say this once: Free RAM is wasted RAM. If you feel´your phone is slow try adding some swap space
kiljacken said:
I'll just say this once: Free RAM is wasted RAM. If you feel´your phone is slow try adding some swap space
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Does O2X already support swap space in EXT? (Or are your referring to VM heap?)
Doesn't play well with Fr19 at all (2 reboots in 2 minutes). Maybe I touched some settings that I shouldn't though.
akyp said:
Doesn't play well with Fr19 at all (2 reboots in 2 minutes). Maybe I touched some settings that I shouldn't though.
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Yeah, FR19 is one of the more stable ROMs out there. Try full wipe then reflash maybe.
Hello evry one. I have problem in my captivate and other models of android. I installed almost every custom rom but problem of loading apps fast still exist. What i mean is.. that when i on my mobile, so first time apps like calender, messenging etc take a little time to load. than when i close the app and open again, it loads very quickly. When mobile goes to standby for more than 10 mins, and when i on it, it again take little time to load apps, and widget menu etc.
Why it is like that ??? and whats the solution to always load the apps quickly
majidshahab091 said:
Hello evry one. I have problem in my captivate and other models of android. I installed almost every custom rom but problem of loading apps fast still exist. What i mean is.. that when i on my mobile, so first time apps like calender, messenging etc take a little time to load. than when i close the app and open again, it loads very quickly. When mobile goes to standby for more than 10 mins, and when i on it, it again take little time to load apps, and widget menu etc.
Why it is like that ??? and whats the solution to always load the apps quickly
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It's how Android manages memory. It keeps your apps in memory until it needs to free some, at which point it starts to close apps to free some up. If they're already in memory they open fast because they're already open. If they aren't, they open more slowly.
There's not a ton you can do, really. Some 3rd party sms apps let you lock the app in memory, but I honestly never checked to see if it really works or not.
Personally, I restart my phone every morning when I wake up. This frees up the most memory and allows your phone to leave more apps open before closing them.
make sure you arent running any ****ty task killers.
You could flash an I9000 ROM/kernel that let's you tweak the lmk. (low memory killer)
Talon and semaphore both offer that option.
The trick is to make it weak enough to not kill the apps you want, but aggressive enough to not allow to run out of ram completely.
both of those kernels also have a "bigmem" version that gives the user a bit more ram at the cost of being able to record video in 720p.
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You could flash an I9000 ROM/kernel that let's you tweak the lmk. (low memory killer)
Talon and semaphore both offer that option.
The trick is to make it weak enough to not kill the apps you want, but aggressive enough to not allow to run out of ram completely.
both of those kernels also have a "bigmem" version that gives the user a bit more ram at the cost of being able to record video in 720p.
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I like ur answrr. But can u pls guide me abt lmk. I like this idea but never use such tweaks. I m using talon kernel right now and rom is much fast. But have same prb of apps loading
In the app memory freak, that installed with the kernel, there is a slider for you to adjust,
lower number the more aggressive the lmk but the better the overall performance.
Higher number is less aggressive and is better for multitasking, but can be a bit slower.
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In the app memory freak, that installed with the kernel, there is a slider for you to adjust,
lower number the more aggressive the lmk but the better the overall performance.
Higher number is less aggressive and is better for multitasking, but can be a bit slower.
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Where to find app memory freak ? i haven't seen any option in CWM
Should have been installed when you flashed talon. If not, it should be linked in the talon op.
Hello,
I'm looking for a good ICS ROM with much RAM memory free.
I know there are many good ones like RocketRom, but the RAM is priority for me, as I use a lot off apps and I don't want them to get killed every time I exit them.
The ROM may be stock based (best) or even some other type.
Do You know some You could recommend?
PS. They don't have to be fast as hell.
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try bulletproofing them and freezing/removing unwanted apps.
Also try to set autostarts off for apps you only want to run on request as well as proper exiting them to prevent running ram.
granted its android that should optimize ram usage which is why amount of free ram shouldnt impact, but yet it does.
maybe you have set dont keep activities to on development settings if so, disable it. lol.
Other tweaking can be done with minfree and oom levels to lower values, stock however they are pretty low.
last random thing I can come up with is less memory footprint apps. Alternatives for ones you are using. Lol. Goodluck!
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baz77 said:
try bulletproofing them and freezing/removing unwanted apps.
Also try to set autostarts off for apps you only want to run on request as well as proper exiting them to prevent running ram.
granted its android that should optimize ram usage which is why amount of free ram shouldnt impact, but yet it does.
maybe you have set dont keep activities to on development settings if so, disable it. lol.
Other tweaking can be done with minfree and oom levels to lower values, stock however they are pretty low.
last random thing I can come up with is less memory footprint apps. Alternatives for ones you are using. Lol. Goodluck!
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I have used about 170 apps on my SGS2, now I've reduced them to about 120. I have also deleted some system apps, but the problem is android OS.
Killing apps is disabled for 100%, it's just due to 70MB memory free. The launcher is killing almost every time I turn on some other app (build.prop edit didn't stop it from closing).
Android just uses too much RAM. Fresh ROM uses 400+ MB, that's so much.
That's why I'm looking for some ROM that uses max.300MB. Are there any?
I wish I could have ROM from my xpiera x10, which used max 120MB hehe
jakuburban said:
Hello,
I'm looking for a good ICS ROM with much RAM memory free.
I know there are many good ones like RocketRom, but the RAM is priority for me, as I use a lot off apps and I don't want them to get killed every time I exit them.
The ROM may be stock based (best) or even some other type.
Do You know some You could recommend?
PS. They don't have to be fast as hell.
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These type of threads are not allowed....as the best is up to the individual to figure out, what is best for me, may not be best for you....
Hello
I was wondering if there is a simple solution to check the ram usage of apps I use on daily basis.
I am not looking for a task manager or anything to "manage". I'd prefer to have a solution without any impact on my phone's performance.
I am hoping to find a widget, or an app which consumes low ram itself ...
In Kit Kat's developer options, I can see there is an option for viewing "Process Stats" which I find pretty good. But that's doesn't show me ALL the apps running in the background.
Please Advise.
you can open settings - apps - then swipe across to "running" tab then at the bottom it should say what ram is being used and show u which apps are using it. that is using a custom rom like cyanogenmod or pa, not sure if theres a feature for this in stock gingerbread but i do recall there being a widget to clear ram that comes with stock gingerbread for the sgs1 hope this helps:good:
Hi @razorfs! Thanks for your reply. I am currently on 4.4.2 and I DO use the same method I.e. checking RAM Usage from Settings > Apps > Running tab.
I however, was looking for an easier, convenient and simple solution ... Like a simple app maybe. The thing is "Settings" also take a good chunk of RAM (like 40+MB) and due to my low memory, I can't check how much a specific app is consuming while "running" (Settings also show the "Cached" RAM which isn't the actual usage).
And about that Gingerbread Task Manager, I was referring to the Task Manager which ROMs like "REMIX" use.
I got my Xperia Z1 about a month ago, and I've noticed some issues with RAM management (or possibly under-optimized third-party apps). Although I haven't had much luck in replicating the problem, I noticed it happen a few times after a Firefox internet session, or after playing a graphically intensive game like Dead Trigger 2. The app would either close by itself (not crash, as in, there were no error messages), or, after I'd close it, I'd notice my launcher (Nova Launcher Prime) go into a restart loop. A quick glance at the running apps section in settings shows 50-100 MB of free ram, and all "constantly running" apps (launcher, viber, zooper widget, k9-mail, swiftkey, tasker, etc.) stuck, for want of a better phrase, in a restarting loop (due to lack of ram I guess).
I tried running Fast Reboot (a task killer) to see if I could regain stability of the system, but it kills only a few system tasks, freeing up to a measly 50 MB of RAM, which makes me wonder (in aggravation) just where the RAM is being used. The only way the running apps would stop closing and restarting (and I need the launcher stable) is to reboot. I'm not sure if the system would stabilize after x minutes, as I only waited for a minute or two before rebooting so that I could open another app/game.
I'm not trying to start yet another debate on necessity of used RAM on Android and efficiency/futility of task managers/killers, but what I described above really seems like poor RAM management to me. I've had a few android devices in the past, and experienced various problems /errors, but never something like this.
Has anybody had a similar issue, or have any tips?
My Xperia Z1 C6903 is currently running on rooted stock 14.2.A.0.290
Although i dont get force closes, but ive noticed most of the ram is taken by the phone itself, right now for me it says i have 1.1gb in use, when i close everything i have just a slight (barely even noticeable) increase in free ram, when i click on cached processes and close all one by one ive seen it increases the ram use instead of decreasing it?
But, do you use apps like setcpu? You can keep it on performance and keep the min slider to the lowest and the max slider to max, it runs stable and gives you performance when you need it, and no performance when you dont need it.
If all fails, try deleting system apps that you barely even use or need... Becareful what you delete tho!
mobzw995 said:
Although i dont get force closes, but ive noticed most of the ram is taken by the phone itself, right now for me it says i have 1.1gb in use, when i close everything i have just a slight (barely even noticeable) increase in free ram, when i click on cached processes and close all one by one ive seen it increases the ram use instead of decreasing it?
But, do you use apps like setcpu? You can keep it on performance and keep the min slider to the lowest and the max slider to max, it runs stable and gives you performance when you need it, and no performance when you dont need it.
If all fails, try deleting system apps that you barely even use or need... Becareful what you delete tho!
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Thanks for the reply. No, I've used apps like that in the past, but haven't installed anything similar on the Z1, because I noticed in BetterBatteryStats that the CPU speed goes down often when the screen is off, and up when, I suppose, it's required, such as in intensive games...
What apps do you use? For example facebook, YouTube, browser etc
Ive checked again on my cached apps and to my surprise, AOSP browser takes up 208mb!
Facebook takes up 48mb, and youtube takes up 22mb.
It just depends on the apps you have installed, some use the ram even while the phone is asleep.
Ive stopped those and a huge difference was made on freeing up my ram!
What i dont get is tho why sony advertises 2.2ghz quadcore if the phone itself takes most of it?
Just delete the apps you dont need from "all apps".