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Hey i was wondering if someone can help me out! i just recently started getting a lot of MMS messages and sending MMS messages. Now i was wondering if there was a way to send and receive MMS messages with out using the data plan. I dont pay for the data plan so each time i send/receive MMS i have to pay. Is there a way to use WiFi connection so i dont have to pay and i can send/receive for free? Is there some settings i need to change? or some programs i can dl? or there is nothing i can do!
Thanks!
lern2lvewithit said:
Hey i was wondering if someone can help me out! i just recently started getting a lot of MMS messages and sending MMS messages. Now i was wondering if there was a way to send and receive MMS messages with out using the data plan. I dont pay for the data plan so each time i send/receive MMS i have to pay. Is there a way to use WiFi connection so i dont have to pay and i can send/receive for free? Is there some settings i need to change? or some programs i can dl? or there is nothing i can do!
Thanks!
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You could always attach media in an email. That uses WiFi.
Hope that helps.
that wont work cause i would like to recieve and send to people cell phones not to email!
In Settings -> Connections -> Connections you could set you settings to "My Work Network" which it usually assigned to WiFi (you can check in WiFi settings)
MIGHT work but I'm not 100% positive. And even if it did, you'd have to stay connected to WiFi all day or for an access point to just Send/Recieve to see if you got an MMS message.
OR I do believe theres an option through activesync that you can use your computer's internet through your phone. So that would probably be your best bet.
Hope that helps.
Does AT&T still charge data for MMS messages? I read somewhere they don't anymore even though MMS still uses data.
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1484340
MMS is under your messanging package.
I have a family plan and in that plan it is unlimited messaging (SMS and MMS)
I also have unlimited data so I need not worry.
On the other hand, when another member of the family plan gets a MMS message, it will cost them the $0.25 per KB or whatever the rate is now to download the MMS.
MMS uses the data connection to get the message.
Got in deep charges once with that on an older phone.
MMS will ALWAYS use Data. Such Is Life.
That is true but i spoke to someone at ATT since i have unlimited text messaging...mms is free....yes the data starts up when you send/receive mms messages/downloads and will stop right after its done....and with unlimited text its free...theres a reason it is but i dont remember why!
Hey guys the G1 data plan is getting too expensive for me and I'm planning to cancel soon. After I call in and cancel, how can I get my G1 to stop trying to access the internet unless its Wifi? Or once I cancel I won't have to worry about this?
I also heard a rumor about changing the APN settings so you can still have and use the internet? Is this true?
no real way to stop the phone from accessing the web since even in the background it sends packets of information. that's just how the phone works that's why you need the data plan for this phone.
i want to cancel the plan cause my sis is paying for mine and i dont want her paying 300$+ a year on me. but i dont want to be charged after i cancel the plan cause my g1 is still accessing the internet. Anyways to prevent it from accessing the internet?
tinyaznboi said:
i want to cancel the plan cause my sis is paying for mine and i dont want her paying 300$+ a year on me. but i dont want to be charged after i cancel the plan cause my g1 is still accessing the internet. Anyways to prevent it from accessing the internet?
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i just said no there is no way to to shut off the internet due to the fact that the phone requires you to have a google account to run it even if you flash a adp build and skip the logon proceedure the phone still access the web in the background without you knowledge you will still get billed for data charges at t mobs data rate which i think is 25 to 50 cents per meg used.
disable auto sync
if you disable auto sync you wont be accessing the internet much (assuming you don't have a ton of news widgets or something) then sync when you're connected to wifi (toggle settings works well for this)
bittermormon said:
if you disable auto sync you wont be accessing the internet much (assuming you don't have a ton of news widgets or something) then sync when you're connected to wifi (toggle settings works well for this)
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the problem is even with auto sync off the phone still polls the internet in the background for updates and other things you could remove every internet reliant app off your phone and it still polls the internet it just the way android is designed he want to stop all internet traffic which is impossible without hacking the rom beyond what we do or pulling out the sim. even google maps requires to poll the internet in the background without him even turning it on. it's just impossible to stop it completely.
Install APNdroid.
Easiest, simplest, most reliable way: Go into settings>wireless controls>Mobile Networks>Access Point names, then click on each one and hit menu then delete. You will also need to finangle with tmobile through their customer service number in order to get them to cancel 3g for your G1 (they have some kind of a policy that's supposed to mean that you have to have an unlimited data plan with the G1, but if you're patient with them they'll let you cancel and just have voice.)
Even easier way. Download Toggle Data from market. That's what I've been using since I cancelled my plan. No more data in the background, so my battery life is longer. Sometimes my phone goes like 2-3 days without charge. (Of course without using wifi)
apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
Before I bricked my G1, (I don't have a data plan) I just went to the T-Mobile store and told the guy what I could do to stop the internet. He just changed some kind of port number and stopped the internet so I don't get charged.
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apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
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I use apndroid all the time(to save battery) and I can still send/receive calls with it.
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I use apndroid all the time(to save battery) and I can still send/receive calls with it.
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i wasn't talking about apndroid
i was talking about the guy who told him to delete all his apns
if i use apndroid will i still be able to use wifi? also im using a JACHero's rom and i noticed this in the settings...
Data Sync > Google > Background Date Usage [X]
APN Droid only kills the data.
rigamrts said:
apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
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No, the APN controls cellular data (internet and MMS) only. Voice and SMS are "built in" so to speak - as long as the SIM matches yoru carrier's records, they will work.
Deleting the APNs (or using APNdroid) will block cellular data, leaving voice, SMS and WiFi internet unaffected.
I have enabled simultaneous connections for Voice & Data in my ROM by editing the 'ContextNumber' values in the registry.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\\RIL\OperatorContexts\23415] ;Vodafone UK
"GPRSContextNumber"=dword:3
"UMTSContextNumber"=dword:3
This seems to work, to a degree but I am not sure about some of the behaviour. I have my data connection set to permanent as I use Exchange ActiveSync for work as well as MS Office Communicator Mobile 2007 R2. I have a 2nd data connection for MMS but this is hardly ever used and only for MMS anyway.
If I am on a call and an email arrives I hear a notification and if I quickly look I can see an email has been received whilst the call is still in place. If the call is short then everything seems fine, however if the call is for a few minutes or more then typically my OCS presence status gets messed up and the connection to the OCS server gets broken. The data connection is still in place but there seems to be some breakdown of sending/receiving data whilst the voice call is connected for more than a few minutes.
I am struggling to troubleshoot this and was wondering if anyone else has issues with simultaneous voice & data calls?
Andy
generally it's not a phone thing class A gsm phones all support it
but if your phone operator don't have full support in their end
there is not much you can do
read about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Packet_Radio_Service#Hardware
every htc phone I had supported it fine without any reg changes
Rudegar said:
generally it's not a phone thing class A gsm phones all support it
but if your phone operator don't have full support in their end
there is not much you can do
read about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Packet_Radio_Service#Hardware
every htc phone I had supported it fine without any reg changes
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No, that's the thing it does work and I can receive emails via the data connection when I am on a voice call. It just seems after the voice call is active for more than a few minutes then there is some communication breakdown, however the data call remains active.
Andy
Alright, I really need some help from the big boys here.
I have had my N1 since release. I have T-Mobile and no data plan. Everything I do is over wifi.
On Friday, I saw the 3g icon on my phone for the first time. It appeared out of nowhere and just flips between 3G and E since T-Mobile just blocks data for non-plan users. This was killing the battery life of the phone.
I called Google and they ran me through *#*#4636#*#* to disable the data connection. This fixed the problem for a while; However after a while the phone will give a message that there is no service provider and will reconnect to T-Mobile (it has never done this before outside of phone boots). When it is back up the 3G/E cycling starts again. Even worse the data connection still lists as disabled and will not re-enable. I have to pop the battery out while it is running to get back in to disable it.
Google thinks its an app but I have removed everything but Touchdown and K9 which I don't think are the problem. I have used Android OS Monitor and I do see connections to 64.15.75.218 and 209.44.107.13 which are hot beds for malware and when I uninstall any app these connections vanish temporarily. But they come back after a few hours.
Anyone seen this before or know a way to track IP connections to a particular app?
I have no solution for tracing 'malicious' software but it is possible to just disable all mobile data usage.
Settings/Wireless and network settings/ Mobile networks > "Data enabled"
If you unselect this there should be no more data transfer while on the mobile network.
I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
Problem is I did the same thing for 2.1 but it keeps coming back on. Even with wifi the phone connects to these ips so who knows what it is doing.
3G isn't used only for data, you can do voice on 3G.
Could be T-Mobile expanding 3g into your are where you didn't have coverage before.
Call T-Mobile and make sure you're not actually using data.
As for tracking applications, you can use System Panel Pro of the market to monitor how much data applications are using.
I know I am not using data. The T-Mobile account page is pretty detailed and I am unable to do anything online when wifi is off. 3G has also been available for a while here as I know others that use it.
I will check out system panel.
Thanks.
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I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
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It is indeed only on Froyo, however, Froyo is out now, so install it and you'll instantly benefit.
A few more things:
Were you receiving or sending MMS (picture/video messages) when the 3G icon popped up? This is normal and doesn't usually come out of your data balance.
If you'd like to be triple-sure you're not using data, go into the APN settings. Edit the APN name - e.g. change tmobile.com to nomobile.com. Now it *really* shouldn't be able to access data.
Smarphones would be well to do to have a Zonealarm/little snitch type app for this purpose.
Id imagine ad based apps wouldnt be too happy about it. At the least an app that reports IPs times , and IN/OUT info.
I never use SMS or mms and have not gotten any during this time.
My concern is not related to getting charges but with unwanted use of my phone or data. When the data connection auto enables it will go through my battery in a matter or hours and who knows what the phone may be doing.
I know I can turn this off and make sure data is not used - in fact I have already done this. However when smoke enters room you don't just put a towel under the door and forget about it. I want to find the source of this and stop it because the behavior is not normal.
I agree something like zone alarm would be good. You should be able prevent or track an app activities for situations like this. If I knew what was connecting to these IPs and enabling the data connection I could stop it and report the app or submit a bug request. Right now I am just all alone.
I did try system panel which seems like a nice app but it does not give me good information on network usage by app. OSMonitor is better at connection monitoring but doesn't list by app. Why has no one thought to monitor network threads by app?
Try alogcat maybe? Any time you notice the icon suddenly appearing, save a copy of the logcat and comb through it.
alogcat may work. Figured out OSMonitor had something similar and filtered by app.
Now I just gotta wait I guess. Still not enough info to relate to IP though.
You should know that the data connection setting isn't an enforcement for the entire phone. It only acts as a notice to applications on whether or not to use data in the background.
Developers are supposed to respect those settings, but they are not enforced.
There is a free program called Network Statistics which is no longer in the market. I will backup the apk for you and upload it so you can use it. It shows the amount of data used by each app.
I too had a data hungry app issue and this helped me solve it immediately.
I'm just at work ATM, so I'll do it this evening. (Almost midday now here in Australia )
Cheers,
Ross
@JCopernicus
I am aware of this which is why I want to track this problem down.
@Ross
That sounds great. I appreciate the help. Not sure if tracking data usage is enough since I don't think the app is sending a lot of data. But I am willing to try anything.
I should be getting froyo soon so maybe that will help as well.
This is what I do when I want to ensure I don't use Data. Go I. To wireless connections. Mobile Networks, and then access points. Create a new one. I usually call it No Data. The for the apn, I just make something dumb, like no.data.com, and then save. After I'll select that as my apn.
The issue is not about the use of the data connection. I have done this and can guarantee the phone cannot use any cell data network. The problem is an app is trying to use it anyway even when it is disabled. Even if you ignore that as a concerning activity the constant 3G searching reduces the battery life to a mere hours.
I appreciate the help, but my issue is not with how to disable the data connection. Its about identifying malware on my device, and tracking an app calls to a specific IP.
Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
If you only want to use "2g" switch your phone over to gsm only through 4636 or through the menu where it says "use 2g only".
You will never see the 3g icon again.
If you wan't to be 100% sure no app is calling an IP, then do a factory reset. Install apps one by one, monitor them through the various options given in this thread already.
You will not be able to prevent an application from "calling home" unless you modify the app itself. Apps use the data connection provided to them by the OS however they see fit.
Every app you install has a permissions prompt that will tell you it want's internet access.
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Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
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The Android "3G", "H", "E" or "G" icon denotes data. It may also appear temporarily when making the connection necessary to transmit MMS. It does not appear when the phone is using voice over 3G without a data connection.
Actually, this may be a T-Mobile issue - they just enabled the ability to do "pay as you go" data on ALL plans without a data plan, so they may be the ones turning on the ability to do data. You'd still need to authorize it in your browser, and I think it costs about $1/1MB so it is totally not worth it.
May be worth looking into because it wouldn't surprise me if their new "service" is screwing things up.
I am aware of 3G voice but the 3G status icon is related to data flow. I have had the phone since launch and posted this because this behavior is not normal. Even Google was perplexed by what it is doing. And as I said it is not constrained by the 4636 settings.
And I disagree that an app can use the network connection as they see fit. Rights are given to perform its intended purpose; anything else is malicious.
Hi Guys,
I hope someone can help me with this. I noticed when I was trying to send an MMS my data connectivity drops. So, when I am on mobile data I can't receive nor send MMS message. My work around is to delete the incoming or outgoing MMS messages.
The thing is when I am connected to Wi-Fi I can receive MMS no problems but then again I am not connected to wifi all the time.
Any insights is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jovie.Android
That's a correct behaviour, due to mms using different connection settings (APN for example).
No big surprise. If you look on the GCF website, it doesnt appear that the MMS testing was performed. Likely they say, we support it, but not according to 3GPP or OMA. This is becoming more and more popular as MMS testing costs about 20k€ for first run testing and most people never even use MMS anymore.
They also fail most of the wifi alliance testing, btw. That is slightly related. They have a big issue with cellular stack performing a PDP context deactivation when it shouldn't. Basically, the stack looks if wifi is attached, but not whether or not data traffic is possible, then drops the cellular data connection.