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N1 USB Mass Storage Speed

Guys,
Got a pretty important question; Yes, I've searched. Don't flame the n00b
Using the N1 as a mass storage device, how fast is the transfer speed?
and
Does the speed/class of the SD card make a difference?
Cheers,

It is ass fast as memory stick. Yes, class of sd card makes all the difference.

I was kind of looking for speed in MB/sec
We all know memory can sticks vary from 1MB/sec to 20MB/sec

Fastest I've seen my transfer speeds are 5 MB/s

This very thing is a problem i am having with my N1. i have a 4gb class 6 card in it and when i mount the N1 to my PC i get transfer speeds of 500k to 1mb asec, but then when i plug the SD card into a USB reader i will get speeds up around 8mb asec. I have USB debugging enabled and it doesn't help. So right now transfer speeds to be blow big time. Not sure why it is doing this or whats wrong.

Any info on this? My phone tops out at around 3 megs. I hooked up a Moto Droid and it was moving stuff at 12 Megs a sec.

Experiencing same sluggishness w/ class 6 card.

I think transfer speeds from N1 to PC are independent of the SDcard when plugged in through the USB cable (unless it's like a class 2).
The actual cable and the N1 restrict speeds as long as you're acessing the SD via USB. You're getting differing speeds when putting it in an adapter because the adapter has different transfer speeds and doesn't need to go through the N1 to transfer.
You're going to be capped when transferring from N1 to pc via USB.

on average with the stock 4GB card when in the N1 I see around 1.5-3mb a sec... When I plug the card directly in a card reader I get 5-8mb a sec. It's much faster for me to turn the phone off, take out the card and stick it in a card reader if I'm transferring any more than a few hundred MB.

Just wanted to bump this, as I'm using an 8 gig card, and froyo 2.2 now. I'm getting consisten 3.5 MB - 4 MB, where as before I couldn't break 2 megs. Not sure what class the card is.

Thread update: I now have a Desire with 16gb Class2
7-8MB/sec Writing.
Reading is even quicker.

Transferring a 800mb file to N1 in mass storage (sandisk class 6 8gb) I got about 2.5mb/s using original htc data cable
Using a card reader i got 11mb/s

hellbringer626 said:
Transferring a 800mb file to N1 in mass storage (sandisk class 6 8gb) I got about 2.5mb/s using original htc data cable
Using a card reader i got 11mb/s
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How is the card reader connected to the computer? Does it go into a USB port or is it a flash card reader built into a laptop?
Wow. 11MB/s is really fast - are you sure of that number? Sandisks are known generally overachievers, but Class 6 is only rated at 6MB/s write so if that number is right then - wow.

JCopernicus said:
Just wanted to bump this, as I'm using an 8 gig card, and froyo 2.2 now. I'm getting consisten 3.5 MB - 4 MB, where as before I couldn't break 2 megs. Not sure what class the card is.
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Those sound like the theoretical class 4 speeds.
I have a class 6 16GB card and even with froyo, I can't break the 2MBps rate (Running win7 x64).
Stock froyo/FRF50 or a custom rom based on it?

I just recently got my first Class 6 SDHC 8GB card expecting it to be a lot faster transferring than my stock Class 2 4GB. It's the same. But, when I put my class 6 into a card reader, it writes at 15mbps or higher. Sucks that we have to turn the phone off to remove the SD card.

Here are my test results (on the phone, not mass storage), hope this helps.
SD Card: 16GB RiData Class 6, from newegg.com
Application: J BenchMark 1.0 (market)
Test media: SD Card
Data Size: 10.0 MB
Buffer size: 8KB
Performance over 3 Runs.
Write performance (MB/s): 7.78, 9.29, 11.92
Read performance (MB/s): 12.33, 16.61, 17.39

britoso said:
Here are my test results (on the phone, not mass storage), hope this helps.
SD Card: 16GB RiData Class 6, from newegg.com
Application: J BenchMark 1.0 (market)
Test media: SD Card
Data Size: 10.0 MB
Buffer size: 8KB
Performance over 3 Runs.
Write performance (MB/s): 7.78, 9.29, 11.92
Read performance (MB/s): 12.33, 16.61, 17.39
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SD Card: 8GB Transcend Class 6, from amazon.com
Same App/Settings
Performance over 3 Runs.
Write performance (MB/s): 4.57, 4.7, 5.81
Read performance (MB/s): 6.37, 6.73, 7.23
Much slower.

Micro SD card speed

Does the speed of the card determine the transfer speed between the Phone and PC or within the Phone itself?
I'm wondering if it's worth the extra 20 to get a class 6 over a class 4.

This has been discussed before. The phone dictates the data transfer speed between the PC and SD card.

So what transfer speed does the Nexus One dictate?

Well..when tommyarmour and I were discussing this in his thread a month ago..neither of us got more than 2mb/s or so using class 4 and 6 cards. Plugging my class 6 directly into my computer's card reader got me over 6.5mb/s.

There are 2 distinct things about SD card performance:
1) If one roots and uses APP2SD method, where N1 stores apps on an EXT* partition on on the _card_ , instead of its own, built-in and very limited flash storage, then one would probably want faster performing card so that apps load faster. Especially if you have a game with tons of textures/scenery
2) Unrelated to #1, faster cards should allow faster transfer rates from one's computer to the N1's SD card - so when you have large music/image libs, those
could be moved on/off device quicker. But it appears that N1 limits such external transfer rates, making it moot to go for faster cards (unless you use APP2SD) . One can get faster rates by yanking the card out and using an external, proper, reader - so that might help if one needs to move say 10GB of music onto the card.
Bottom line: you can spring for 16GB Class 6 Card (Adata's are good, about U$60 on Amazon), save few bux and get slower card or wait another month for 32GB cards to appear in stores and make your decision _then_

rashid11 said:
There are 2 distinct things about SD card performance:
1) If one roots and uses APP2SD method, where N1 stores apps on an EXT* partition on on the _card_ , instead of its own, built-in and very limited flash storage, then one would probably want faster performing card so that apps load faster. Especially if you have a game with tons of textures/scenery
2) Unrelated to #1, faster cards should allow faster transfer rates from one's computer to the N1's SD card - so when you have large music/image libs, those
could be moved on/off device quicker. But it appears that N1 limits such external transfer rates, making it moot to go for faster cards (unless you use APP2SD) . One can get faster rates by yanking the card out and using an external, proper, reader - so that might help if one needs to move say 10GB of music onto the card.
Bottom line: you can spring for 16GB Class 6 Card (Adata's are good, about U$60 on Amazon), save few bux and get slower card or wait another month for 32GB cards to appear in stores and make your decision _then_
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I got lucky. I won my 16GB class 6 micro SD card. I do, however, wish to get another 16GB card but don't want to spend the money so I'm waiting for the 32GB to come out and the 16GB to drop in price. 8GB is just not enough for music, apps2sd and nadroid/ext backups. I've been having to compromise and either keep only one nandroid on my SD card or cut down on my music (which I hate doing). A 32GB card would be GOLDEN but I don't even want to think about what that's going to cost.

rashid11 said:
There are 2 distinct things about SD card performance:
1) If one roots and uses APP2SD method, where N1 stores apps on an EXT* partition on on the _card_ , instead of its own, built-in and very limited flash storage, then one would probably want faster performing card so that apps load faster. Especially if you have a game with tons of textures/scenery
2) Unrelated to #1, faster cards should allow faster transfer rates from one's computer to the N1's SD card - so when you have large music/image libs, those
could be moved on/off device quicker. But it appears that N1 limits such external transfer rates, making it moot to go for faster cards (unless you use APP2SD) . One can get faster rates by yanking the card out and using an external, proper, reader - so that might help if one needs to move say 10GB of music onto the card.
Bottom line: you can spring for 16GB Class 6 Card (Adata's are good, about U$60 on Amazon), save few bux and get slower card or wait another month for 32GB cards to appear in stores and make your decision _then_
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Thanks for the explaination. Now do you think anybody out there is trying to 'open' up this limitation of the N1's transfer speed? Hope so...I thought I had an adapter...so I ordered a card without an adapter...but, now I can't find it!
BTW...I sprung for a 16GB class 6. Was a present...so why not.

sdhc 8 gb slow write speed

Hi all,
I have a SDHC 8gb (Class 4). I tested its speed with J-benchmark. Frequent test shows that the write speed of this SD isn't any better than class 2 sd card i used before(4 gb).
I usually get write speed of 1.5mb/s and read speed of 2.5mb/s. Today I decided to change the buffer size to 8kb and got 4mb/s write speed. This is what a class 4 card should normally hit right?
So, I'd like to know if there's any way i can increase the buffer speed while transfering files from my PC. I'm really having a hard time copying movie files to my sd card. Files transfer of larger than 100mb take ages and even get disrupted at times.
Thanks for the help!!!

pradeepkc said:
Hi all,
I have a SDHC 8gb (Class 4). I tested its speed with J-benchmark. Frequent test shows that the write speed of this SD isn't any better than class 2 sd card i used before(4 gb).
I usually get write speed of 1.5mb/s and read speed of 2.5mb/s. Today I decided to change the buffer size to 8kb and got 4mb/s write speed. This is what a class 4 card should normally hit right?
So, I'd like to know if there's any way i can increase the buffer speed while transfering files from my PC. I'm really having a hard time copying movie files to my sd card. Files transfer of larger than 100mb take ages and even get disrupted at times.
Thanks for the help!!!
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Random no-name brand? No surprise.. Lots of cheap, slow, unstable storage cards out there these days.
J-Benchmark isn't of much use if you don't know what the real workd transfer speed is, so you might want to try testing it against the computer... Send a large file, time it, see how long before you can safely remove the device.

khaytsus said:
Random no-name brand? No surprise.. Lots of cheap, slow, unstable storage cards out there these days.
J-Benchmark isn't of much use if you don't know what the real workd transfer speed is, so you might want to try testing it against the computer... Send a large file, time it, see how long before you can safely remove the device.
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well, it says transcend but i'm doubtful. Bought it at very cheap price from a wholesale market.
But there's something I've noticed, the transfer speed is slow through usb only...if i unmount the card and use it through a normal card reader its quite fast...I tried sending a 800mb movie file and it took just above 4 mins....
So, I don't think its the card that's the culprit. puzzled!!! could it be the rom i'm using or froyo itself?

I'm sorry that I can't be of any help, but i got the exact same problem. Bought a 16gb card, kingston brand, class4 (don't expect that much of it, but the stock was class 2, so i figured that it would be ok..)
I get horrible write speed, around 200-250 kb/s (or whatever it's called). Don't remember what the old one did, but it wasn't that bad.
I've plugged the card directly into the PC, and it gets much higher speeds..
Exactly the same problem, as u guys..
Come on, an hour to copy a movie to the phone, that's just not acceptable!
PS: have you tried this?
Mine was allready at 128, but it's probably worth a shot..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=921530
Hope anyone has some solutions to this, it's just seriously annoying
Oh, and i've got the desire with cm7 on it, it's not that different from the n1..

It's the phone not the cards. It just doesn't appear able to acheive transfer speeds higher than you'd get with a Class 2 SD card.

In the link i posted, there was a guy who found out a way around the limits of android on a EVO 4g device. I was hoping for a similar fix.. Or just something

Bought a Class 10 Kingmax and disappointed that write speeds are still maxing at 1.5 MBps Waste of money
2.5Mbps in recovery.
SOOOOOO SLOW copying videos over yaaawn.
Using a card reader means switching off the phone, which is not really an option IMHO.

You can benefit from the faster rated cards if you use a card reader, and even better if you buy a second card so that you can load up one while using the other. Quick swap, job done!

I have a Transcent 8GB class 6. I get speeds from 6mb/s-8mb/s.

[Q] MicroSD 16GB Class 10 write speed

Ok i finally bought micro sd card for my galaxy s. But a problem came up. When im transfering via USB Cable, transfer rate is barely 4mbit/s and when I put it in SDHC adapter and into my laptop card reader, i got transfer rate of 19mbit/s and read speed of 22mbit/s
My question is, can anyone explain to me why is it so slow over usb cable?
Just to mention, I already tested on mobile with mobile software and i got same results as with SDHC adapter and card reader....

Have you tried to put the USB-mode into Mass Storsge mode. Settings->Wireless and Network ->USB Settings ->Mass storage. This mode will only show the internal memory and the SD Card in Windows explorer. I think it is also much faster.

Yup, i tried only on that way tbh and transfer rate is still max 4mbps, and in sdcard 19.47
Weird thing is that i know that i got original card, its not scam, i ordered it from official supplier in my country...

bump anyone

I'm sure I read on a thread somewhere that the phone can't use the speed of a class
10 card and you don't get any faster speeds than a class 4, would like to know the facts on this
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gsw5700 said:
I'm sure I read on a thread somewhere that the phone can't use the speed of a class
10 card and you don't get any faster speeds than a class 4, would like to know the facts on this
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Get a free sdcard tester in the market and test it by yourself. I would be really surprised if a i9000 could do above class 6 even after tweaking readahead and buffers.

I tested it with SD Tools and got these results

Mine is meant to be a class 10, not very good result if it is:

I got this result with a Class 2 SanDisk:
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Memory card speed

Hi guys,
What is the fastest memory card speed G6 (not plus/play) can use? Somewhere I read Motorola recommends U1 or faster. Is it worth investing in a fast card?
E.g. a Sandisk 32GB 100/90 MB/s is the same price as a Samsung 64GB 100/60 MB/s so if the phone couldn't use the fastest speed anyway, I'd rather take larger capacity.
I'm planning to put apps on the card. My old phone has slowed down considerably when I did that, so if the G6 CAN use the faster speed, I'd prefer that.
Thanks!

Sandisk 160/60 card gets 77/44 on moto g6. The same card gets higher speed on a lower end phone. Apps run okay at that speed on g6 but don't know if consistent use for apps lowers overall performance. Other users should post their speeds so we can get an idea what's the max speed g6 can get out of microsd cards.

Actualy in the meantime I bought the Sandisk Extreme Plus A1/V30 (95/90 MB/s), I just haven't installed it in the phone yet.
@e4noob what app did you use for benchmarking?
//Edited card name/specs

dontknowme said:
Actualy in the meantime I bought the Sandisk Extreme Pro A1/V30 (100/90 MB/s), I just haven't installed it in the phone yet.
@e4noob what app did you use for benchmarking?
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I used androbench. Please post the speeds on this card. I'll predict around 80/50. I have this suspicion that g6's card reader might be low quality. But it would be nice to be proven wrong on that.

e4noob said:
I used androbench. Please post the speeds on this card. I'll predict around 80/50. I have this suspicion that g6's card reader might be low quality. But it would be nice to be proven wrong on that.
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Okay I put the card in the phone and ran 4 tests with Androbench. The *best* results, rounded up to 5/50 from each category are:
Squential read/write: 80/65 MB/s
Random r/w: 4200/1400 IOPS
SQL Insert/Update/Delete: 950/1200/1900 QPS
This is a brand new Sandisk Extreme Plus 32GB card (95/90 MB/s) formatted as external storage.
Also ran 2 tests on internal storage (note this phone has been in use for 2 weeks and it's half full so there's certainly some data fragmentation):
Squential read/write: 260/100 MB/s
Random r/w: 11600/5300 IOPS
SQL Insert/Update/Delete: 1100/1200/1550 QPS
Not sure what to think of the SQL numbers but in the random r/w performance the internal memory trashes the memory card so it's probably not the best for running apps. Sequential write is quite close though so I guess Sandisk's claim of 4k video recording holds true.
Hm, I wonder if there are memory cards meant for faster random access (like an SSD) and would phones be able to take advantage of such speed?
Edit: fixed my mistake about what card I have. It's a Extreme Plus 95/90, not Pro.

~ never mind, a rant was here how I can't format the card as internal storage but I found it. Good.
After formatting as internal, the phone complained the card is slow.
I let it move 4.5 GB of data from internal memory to the card, which the phone said would take 7 minutes. It was done in about a minute.

dontknowme said:
~ never mind, a rant was here how I can't format the card as internal storage but I found it. Good.
After formatting as internal, the phone complained the card is slow.
I let it move 4.5 GB of data from internal memory to the card, which the phone said would take 7 minutes. It was done in about a minute.
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I've seen that too (phone warning the card is too slow) when I was experimenting with internal storage format. If you face any issues like phone wigging out or apps going missing or card crashing, let us know here.

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If you face any issues like phone wigging out or apps going missing or card crashing, let us know here.
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No problems so far!
On my last phone with a basic Class 10 Kingston card, I had problems with apps disappearing after a reboot. It was especially annoying with Amazon Kindle which was the biggest (movable) app and I had to keep it in the phone memory.
No problems with the Moto. I even enabled the developer option to force apps which don't support it onto the card and they all work fine. Which is super cool especially for navigation apps with their massive offline maps. Neither Sygic nor HERE We Go support moving the app onto the card. (In both cases you can move the maps onto the card but only if it's formatted as external storage, not internal.)
Apps start really fast. I *think* I can sense some slowdown when running some apps like Duolingo and LingoDeer compared to when running from internal memory, but it might as well be my imagination. I see no slowdown when running Waze which is a lot larger. And the phone is slightly slower to boot but that's no biggie. It wasn't fast to begin with. But all the card apps are available IMMEDIATELLY upon booting, while on my old phone/card it took another minute to initialize.
Last night I noticed the phone tends to kill background apps way too aggressively, which is bloody annoying but I doubt that has anything to do with the card, it's more like another stupid Android/Motorola feature. (I have the adaptive battery feature disabled.)
Another odd thing is that the storage reports 5 gigs of games in the internal memory even when I moved all games onto the card, so that's clearly another Android bug.
So yea, I think it was worth it investing a little more in a faster card. I wish the phone would be faster overall but for what it is it's fine and the card isn't slowing it down so far.