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I've seen other phones that will be released this Q1 or Q2 having 1GB of RAM whilst the Optimus 2X only has 512MB.
I myself have kind of got the feeling that 512MB's would be enough and that 1GB is unnecessary, but I would like your opinions, and maybe an explenation to why 512MB's would be enough?
Since Atrix won't be released in Sweden that pretty much leaves it to Optimus 2X or the Galaxy S2, but the S2 will probably be like 200 dollars more. Would that really be worth the money RAM-wise (other differences doesn't matter that much to me)?
I'm of the mind that 512MB will be fine for the forseeable future. If you consider that the most demanding apps are typically games, and the most impressive games (since GameLoft, Epic etc have signed on with nVidia...) will be developed to Tegra 2 specs, I can't imagine those Tegra 2 specs would preclude running on 512MB of RAM. Following that assumption, by the time 512MB of RAM isn't enough, you will probably be due for an upgrade anyway.
I'm starting to think that the only reason the Atrix has 1GB is because the WebTop mode runs well over 512MB in typical operation. Then, of course, the Galaxy 2 has a gig so that it doesn't look inferior on paper.
Just my conjecturous 2 cents.
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I'm of the mind that 512MB will be fine for the forseeable future. If you consider that the most demanding apps are typically games, and the most impressive games (since GameLoft, Epic etc have signed on with nVidia...) will be developed to Tegra 2 specs, I can't imagine those Tegra 2 specs would preclude running on 512MB of RAM. Following that assumption, by the time 512MB of RAM isn't enough, you will probably be due for an upgrade anyway.
I'm starting to think that the only reason the Atrix has 1GB is because the WebTop mode runs well over 512MB in typical operation. Then, of course, the Galaxy 2 has a gig so that it doesn't look inferior on paper.
Just my conjecturous 2 cents.
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Thanks for your reply! I also thought about the RAM being for the WebTop but then Samsung released the S2 lol.. I would probably agree with you that 512MB will be enough in at least the coming year or so, hell, you can almost run a game like World of Warcraft on 512MB RAM.
Maybe Motorola and Samsung are just putting in hardware that is ahead of the future to atract the customers that want 'the best'. Of course, they are probably slightly better but from what I understand it is kind of hard to fill up 512MB RAM which they also say in Anandtechs review of the Atrix.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview
If only LG could put in at least 768MB I wouldn't have to worry
Have to agree with Sjael about the 512MB of RAM in the Atrix being for the laptop dock. In that preview you posted in the benchmark tests the optimus came out on top of the atrix pretty much every time. So don't let the 512 MB of RAM detour you!
I would not mind 512MB RAM(Actually, you can use only 372MB of ram because of the android system)
512MB ram is not that small, and there is no app that needs more than 512MB.
I'm using Optimus 2X, but 512MB RAM was okay
pokerfake said:
I would not mind 512MB RAM(Actually, you can use only 372MB of ram because of the android system)
512MB ram is not that small, and there is no app that needs more than 512MB.
I'm using Optimus 2X, but 512MB RAM was okay
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'Okay' doesn't sound too convincing. Could you tell us about the phone in general? Are you satisfied, how is the battery life etc?
Battery time is simuliar with Samsung Galaxy
LG home sometimes reset after I play some heavy 3D game. I think that its because of RAM, but this problem does not happen if you change your home program
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Battery time is simuliar with Samsung Galaxy
LG home sometimes reset after I play some heavy 3D game. I think that its because of RAM, but this problem does not happen if you change your home program
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What about gps ?
GPS is waaay better than Samsung Galaxy S
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Battery time is simuliar with Samsung Galaxy
LG home sometimes reset after I play some heavy 3D game. I think that its because of RAM, but this problem does not happen if you change your home program
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The LG launcher doesn't look too attractive anyway so i'll probably go for LauncherPro
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GPS is waaay better than Samsung Galaxy S
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Really ? Oh, this is a great news !
1GB is better than 512MB
but....... i think 512 is enough, also
Well we now have some empirical evidence...
The +64MB RAM kernel gives back 64MB to the user and it makes a *huge* difference to performance in general day to day use for me. I no longer need to use minfreemanager and my launcher and background apps hardly ever get shut down by the system now.
I used to be of the mind that 512 was enough (=372) but with +64 (=436) there's a world of difference.
So, in my experience 512 is a constraint.
Its not the 512mb itself being the limit here, its the way these 512mb are used and how Android is configured to manage the memory by the manufacturer - but yes more ram to work with are allways a benefit.
512mb is plenty in the HTC Desire which default has about 440mb for the user, while the LG only has 372mb (more ram allocated for video than the Desire perhaps ?)
Furthermore the default minfree setting in the Desire is configured to allways leave 140mb free, while the LG is default configured to only leave around 80mb free.
This cause the LG to run low on memory, needing the system to free up memory by shutting down apps that are preloaded, faster and more often than on the Desire.
The extra 64mb you free with the other Kernel can be configured either as more ram for preloadet apps or as just free ram - depending on how agressive you set the minfree setting. The result you get will be a combination of this - if minfree are still set to 80mb then the 64mb are just used to preload more apps, which you will feel as a benefit if switching to one of these preloaded apps, but wont feel as a benefit if you need to run an app that use up more than the free 80mb and which hasnt been preloaded. On the other hand you could divide it and set the minfree setting to 110 and let the rest 34mb be used to preload apps in, that way a running app could use more ram before it would need to shutdown preloaded apps.
I cant say which setting would be the best overall - but for certain the configuration of the memory works better in the Desire than the one in the LG - despite both having 512mb ram
I've seen a lot of discussion on various Android/Droid forums on the web over the past month or two about the Bionic, and it having 512MB of RAM. A lot of people don't seem to mind, and some people have even said it doesn't matter because it's DDR2, which is faster than regular DDR.
Well, 512MB of RAM is not enough for a dual-core phone you plan to use for 2 years or more. Here's why, in a rather lengthy post that I also put on MyDroidWorld the other night. I've been on the XDA forums for a long time, though I don't post very frequently and I'm curious to see what people will think of my admittedly long post. So, here is why I think people should think long and hard about whether to buy the Bionic when it does come out, assuming it still ships with 512MB of RAM.
Caching.
Ok - let me explain. The single most important factor in performance of a computer is having enough RAM. When a computer runs out of RAM, it starts to use what's called a page file. It's basically a file on your hard drive that acts as additional RAM. Now, DDR3-1600 speed RAM transfers data at 12.8 gigabytes per second. Phenomenally fast. It also has a reaction time of around 5 nanoseconds, also ridiculously fast. When your operating system has to start using the page file because the physical RAM is full, the performance hit is EXTRAORDINARY. Even the best hard disk drives (not counting SSDs) like the latest Raptor from Western Digital cap out at around 155 megabytes per second for reading and writing, and it has a peak latency of 7 milliseconds for reaction time. 1 nanosecond is 1 million milliseconds, which makes the DDR3 RAM over a MILLION times faster reacting than the hard drive, and the transfer rate of the RAM over 80 times faster than the transfer rate of the hard drive.
In real-world terms, it's like you're talking about an ant versus a Porsche 911 Turbo. Most old computers that have long pauses or hang for several seconds doing even basic tasks, it's because they don't have enough RAM and it's caching stuff between the hard drive and the RAM.
Now, whenever Android runs out of RAM, (same with any operating system) it has to start using its page file, which means it starts using this monstrously slow flash memory as RAM. It's like merging onto a freeway that is gridlocked with traffic when you were going hundreds of miles per hour. The flash memory is a lot slower than the Raptor hard drive for data transfer rates, but it has a read time a lot faster; the best-performing ones are generally under 1 microsecond. 1 microsecond is a thousand times slower than 1 nanosecond. The write times are closer to hard drives, though; generally less than 1 millisecond, so like 10x faster than a hard drive but still 100,000 times slower reaction time to writing data than the RAM is.
What this means is, when your permanent storage is flash-based, it has a much faster reaction time than a hard drive but it's still dog-slow compared to RAM; so when Android runs out of RAM, it caches to the page file on the flash memory, and you'll have the same slowdown effect as you do on an old POS computer, but it's not as noticeable because flash memory reacts faster than disk-based hard drives.
The point of all of this is that, 1GB of DDR1 memory on a phone is FAR better than 512MB of DDR2 memory. The 1GB will prevent you from hitting that metaphorical brick wall of caching data to your flash memory when the 512MB won't. We already use 400MB, or more, of our 512MB of RAM on our existing phones just by turning it on and having a couple of widgets/services in the background above & beyond the stock ones. How do you expect to take advantage significantly higher-end applications and games, which also means (for games, primarily) that they take up more RAM, as well?
You can't have higher-quality graphics without needing more RAM, so when that new version of Angry Birds comes out this fall or something that requires two cores and looks amazing, but uses 250MB of RAM to run instead of the 80MB or whatever the regular one uses now, what do you think has to happen? That's right. Android has to cache that much extra data to your flash memory so it can unload it from the RAM, freeing the necessary space to load Angry Birds HD. This causes more of a delay as it's writing data, and will cause extra choppiness, etc. Another thing to keep in mind is that, as resolutions increase, so do the texture sizes for all applications and widgets that you use, assuming they support the new resolution. More size needed, which takes up more space in RAM.
Don't be fooled. When truly good and proper dual-core benchmarks come out, 1GB RAM dual-core phones will spank their 512MB RAM dual-core brethren for real-world performance in games, and other high-memory applications. Also, excessive caching greatly increases the chance of flash memory going bad. Not a common occurrence if it was fine when shipped, but still something to think about.
So, in summary, even though the performance hit from caching to flash memory isn't as bad as caching to hard disk drives, it's still a tremendous slowdown and it will matter for dual-core phones way more than for single-core ones. The average amount of RAM installed on dual-core desktop computers from Dell/HP/etc. was significantly higher than what the average was for the previous single-core generations were, and there are reasons for that. Primarily, the same reasons I just outlined. In simple terms, faster processors can do more things, which necessarily requires more RAM.
Sorry for the wall of text, I tried to be more concise but it kind of got away from me. I'm not buying a Bionic because it has 512MB of RAM. After owning it a year, it'll be having performance issues on top-end dual-core-required games that run just fine on phones like the Atrix.
I'm sorry because I know this is probably going to come across the wrong way, but WOW, you spent a lot of time writing that up, and too much time for me to read it alll, especially considering Motorola has pulled back on the Bionic and it's receiving "enhancements". I guess what I'm saying is why all the speculation/conjecture until we know the revised specs? Maybe it'll land with 8GB of DDR 6 RAM.
I'm hoping Motorola gives Verizon a phone that is higher end than the Atrix. Afterall Verizon has done much more than ATT in the way of supporting Moto..when they needed it. Anxious to see what Big Red winds up with.
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I disagree that ram is the single most important factor of performance of a computer.
hard drives are the biggest bottleneck in a computer. this is why I use a vertex 3 ssd.
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I'm hoping Motorola gives Verizon a phone that is higher end than the Atrix. Afterall Verizon has done much more than ATT in the way of supporting Moto..when they needed it. Anxious to see what Big Red winds up with.
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I concur, really hope VZW pushes for a premier device
I disagree. Android isn't expanding as an OS at some breakneck pace and 512MB is definitely suitable for the near future. 1GB is absolutely not necessary for great performance in a phone. RAM is a bottleneck, but it is not something that magically allows for better performance if the device isn't hitting the pagefile anyway.
The way that Android manages applications will allow 512MB phones to be relevant for some time. The Bionic will be a solid phone for the next year, but there will always be something bigger and better next year. Phones aren't future-proof.
I was just checking out this thread and wanted to say maybe the reason that the atrix comes with 1gb of ram is because of the extra contraption that you can buy along with. It looks like a netbook but is not very well performing and who would even care to rely on it for anything I don't know.
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I'm hoping Motorola gives Verizon a phone that is higher end than the Atrix. Afterall Verizon has done much more than ATT in the way of supporting Moto..when they needed it. Anxious to see what Big Red winds up with.
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I certainly hope Motorola makes the required improvements, but you also need to keep in mind Verizon approves and in many if not all cases specs the phones they want. They chose the specs, they had to live with the specs. I think once they saw what was coming they figured it was no longer premiere and wanted changes made.
Regardless of why its been pulled back the fact that it was is good, but if its going to take 4-5 months to get it out the door they should have just scrapped it altogether.
E30kid said:
I disagree. Android isn't expanding as an OS at some breakneck pace and 512MB is definitely suitable for the near future. 1GB is absolutely not necessary for great performance in a phone. RAM is a bottleneck, but it is not something that magically allows for better performance if the device isn't hitting the pagefile anyway.
The way that Android manages applications will allow 512MB phones to be relevant for some time. The Bionic will be a solid phone for the next year, but there will always be something bigger and better next year. Phones aren't future-proof.
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Well, wait for Ice Cream and we'll see. Since the future Android version will also run in tablets, it is likely that it will have huge memory requirements.
By the way, my Acer Liquid A1 can't be officially upgraded to Froyo because it only has 256Mb. Later Liquid models with 512Mb are upgradeable. At the time I bought it, 512Mb seemed unnecessary because the Nexus One operating system only supported 256Mb, having the other 256Mb wasted. This was only 12 months ago...
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I was just checking out this thread and wanted to say maybe the reason that the atrix comes with 1gb of ram is because of the extra contraption that you can buy along with. It looks like a netbook but is not very well performing and who would even care to rely on it for anything I don't know.
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I think you are on to something here. I think I read somewhere that the atrix only uses 512 mb when not connected to the dock. I have the inspire which has 768 mb, and I came from the captivate which was 512 mb, and I done know if is the ram or what but this phone performs way better than the captivate. Even when I bought the inspire, right out the box stock, preformed much better than a captivate overclocked with an ext4 filesystem kernel. Not that this is empirical evidence, but hey.
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I'm sorry because I know this is probably going to come across the wrong way, but WOW, you spent a lot of time writing that up, and too much time for me to read it alll, especially considering Motorola has pulled back on the Bionic and it's receiving "enhancements". I guess what I'm saying is why all the speculation/conjecture until we know the revised specs? Maybe it'll land with 8GB of DDR 6 RAM.
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I lol'd. But seriously 512 MB of RAM is more than enough... It's a PHONE not a high end desktop system. I play tons of games on my x2 and with alot of crap in the backround open, and I notice zero performance hits. If you are spending all day monitoring your RAM on your phone and trying to measure FPS loss, load time differences, etc. I suggest that you try to pick up a new hobby ASAP, OCDing will be the end of you. Best of luck!
Edit: I wouldn't worry about it either! Bionic probably won't come out anyways, and if it does, another phone with 1GB to satisfy your OCD probably will be out by then.
As of now, I feel ALL future top tier smart phones need to come equipped with at least 1GB of DDR2. The G2x, for example, will most likely have issues running a custom ice cream rom. And people will be upset.. especially after putting up with all of the other various problems that particular phone has.
OP, I don't agree entirely with your explanation of the use of caching by the OS - for all 3 major computer OSes, no matter how much excess RAM you have, they will start caching data to the hard drive, whether you like it or not. Obviously if you run out of RAM, it has to do so, but it'll even do it long before you've hit that cap - just because it determines an application has gone "inactive". Now I haven't read up on Android enough to know whether this is 100% true for it, too, but considering it's running a linux kernel, I would imagine so. So just like the 8GB of RAM in my desktop doesn't necessarily help for everyday computing needs, 1GB vs 512mb on the Bionic may not make a huge difference.
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OP, I don't agree entirely with your explanation of the use of caching by the OS - for all 3 major computer OSes, no matter how much excess RAM you have, they will start caching data to the hard drive, whether you like it or not. Obviously if you run out of RAM, it has to do so, but it'll even do it long before you've hit that cap - just because it determines an application has gone "inactive". Now I haven't read up on Android enough to know whether this is 100% true for it, too, but considering it's running a linux kernel, I would imagine so. So just like the 8GB of RAM in my desktop doesn't necessarily help for everyday computing needs, 1GB vs 512mb on the Bionic may not make a huge difference.
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i beg to differ
my captivate; even though its a single core...is still quite capable at most everyday tasks...only thing lacking is the RAM
my phone will slow to a crawl after entering twitter, switching to pulse and then going back to my homescreen....
not to mention my launcher keeps getting killed by android as it keeps running out of RAM
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i beg to differ
my captivate; even though its a single core...is still quite capable at most everyday tasks...only thing lacking is the RAM
my phone will slow to a crawl after entering twitter, switching to pulse and then going back to my homescreen....
not to mention my launcher keeps getting killed by android as it keeps running out of RAM
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I have to lol at this one. Absolutely none of those issues have to do with amount of RAM. In fact the launcher problem has nothing to do with RAM at all.
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While I appreciate other people who have the same amount of passion for phones as I do, I just have two words to say about anyone saying phones with 512 mb ram will not get Ice Cream Sandwich. Nexus S.
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I have to lol at this one. Absolutely none of those issues have to do with amount of RAM. In fact the launcher problem has nothing to do with RAM at all.
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it does as android keeps killing it to free up more RAM to use......
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it does as android keeps killing it to free up more RAM to use......
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Yea the task manager is killing the apps to keep ram freed up, as in stopping unused processes etc. That's just the aggressive working of the management software that would run just the same if you even had 8GB of ram.
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While I appreciate other people who have the same amount of passion for phones as I do, I just have two words to say about anyone saying phones with 512 mb ram will not get Ice Cream Sandwich. Nexus S.
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Remember when everyone thought Gingerbread would require a 1GHz processor as a system requirement, which was later debunked?
http://www.talkandroid.com/23041-so...ngerbread-update-due-to-1ghz-cpu-requirement/
Nobody can say what will and will not get updated for sure, although I will venture to say that it's HIGHLY likely the Nexus S will be getting 2.4, you're right.
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I lol'd. But seriously 512 MB of RAM is more than enough... It's a PHONE not a high end desktop system. I play tons of games on my x2 and with alot of crap in the backround open, and I notice zero performance hits. If you are spending all day monitoring your RAM on your phone and trying to measure FPS loss, load time differences, etc. I suggest that you try to pick up a new hobby ASAP, OCDing will be the end of you. Best of luck!
Edit: I wouldn't worry about it either! Bionic probably won't come out anyways, and if it does, another phone with 1GB to satisfy your OCD probably will be out by then.
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512 mb is not enough for a dual core 4G phone it just isnt. the thunderbolt has 768 mb and its only single core and 4G and let me tell you it would be way faster with the 1024 mb of ram i cant imagine how laggy the bionic would be if you start doing anything with it! the 512 ram will be ate up in no time! i sure hope verizon reconsiders and adds more ram or i probably wont use this device as my daily phone either keep the thunderbolt with more ram which is sad cause it has been out for awhile now and the droid x also has 512 ram and it has been out for a year and they cant make improvements?? and they are going to want $299+++ for this phone ON CONTRACT! it better have more than 512 ram or it aint worth a lick! rip this phone open and put my own ram in it!
no 1GB ram, no talk. moto, how do you expect me to use a flagship phone without 1 gb ram
thomaslau said:
no 1GB ram, no talk. moto, how do you expect me to use a flagship phone without 1 gb ram
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Where you need 1GB RAM? They are Just Numbers. Cyanogenmod requires under 100MB RAM. I bet you will never fulfill your RAM, even, if you install hundreds of apps.
I have Sense on my phone, and it is damn RAM hog. Buy still I have 157 MB in use and 358 MB free.
It Is Not Just A RAM. Almost all of your RAM could be free, and still your phone is lagging like hell.
Stop watching numbers. For example, if you use AMD's processor, with six cores. GHz are higher than Intel. And still Intel's processor wins and washes AMD with lesser cores and lower GHz.
I bet Droid 3's software is much more lighter and uses less RAM, CPU etc. than hTC's Sense.
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Not to mention ddr2. The ram in the d3 is far better than any other phone.
From what I can gather about how android works, faster ram >>> more ram.
Compared to my rooted/rommed Incredible, the Droid 3 blows it out of the water speed wise. Even faster than my Xoom, which is to be expected I guess
It's not their flagship phone, Droid Bionic will be which will have 1gb ram.
512mb is enough anyway like someone else said.
if you dont like it, and especially if you never use it, dont post your bull**** here
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if you dont like it, and especially if you never use it, dont post your bull**** here
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because i like droid 3, i post here!!!!!! i want to buy one
1gb ram is for webtop!!!!! why dont they give us webtop and how do you guys know android 4.0 wont have webtop function?
Would anyone actually use webtop?? The last I had looked, it hadn't really taken off with the Attrix. It's a unique idea, but at somewhere around $500 last I had looked for the laptop dock (its been awhile, so I may be wrong), you can buy one of several android tablets (Asus Transformer, Acer Iconia) and have a serperate fully functional device.
Plus the fact that the Droid 3 already has a physical keyboard.
That said, I would have been happier with 1 GB of RAM (not a deal killer though). I'm more worried about future possibilites. In 2 years, this will probably be like the original Droid is now, able to run the most current version of android, but not at its best. 1 GB would have made it more future proof, but in the end its personal choice that decides.
I'm loving mine so far, just waiting to get root going so I can start doing some cleaning.
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Where you need 1GB RAM? They are Just Numbers. Cyanogenmod requires under 100MB RAM. I bet you will never fulfill your RAM, even, if you install hundreds of apps.
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512MB means not even 200MB free RAM after boot. No problem to fill that out which means the system kicks not recently used apps out of ram.
Mine has Google Talk... Though I don't know if it does video right now. It's got a camera, so if it doesn't now, I assume it will later.
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no 1GB ram, no talk. moto, how do you expect me to use a flagship phone without 1 gb ram
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its not verizons flagship phone...have you seen any commericials for it? didnt think so. if they really wanted to sell this phone, they would invest in advertisements for it...just saying
KingKuba13 said:
It's not their flagship phone, Droid Bionic will be which will have 1gb ram.
512mb is enough anyway like someone else said.
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The D3 appears to be allocated better, out of box, compared to the DX2. gTablet proves 512mb works fine with a dual core and so apparently does the D3.
I wonder if some of the ram in the Bionic will be allocated to web top?
i dont think bionic will have webtop~ 'cause the ad on bestbuy only mentioned mirror mode
Mirrored mode refers to 1080p HDMI mirroring. Plug your phone into your HDTV and watch the video you recorded in all its glory.
The Motorola phones with 1GB of RAM like the Atrix and (allegedly) the Bionic are webtop machines. Half the RAM is dedicated to the phone, half to the webtop. For that reason, we can assume there will never be a webtop option for the D3. But frankly, the D3 would be the last Moto phone you'd put on a webtop. It has a great keyboard built in, so the synergy really isn't there. I hope I'm wrong and everyone gets all the tech porn that they're wishing for.
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It's not their flagship phone, Droid Bionic will be which will have 1gb ram.
512mb is enough anyway like someone else said.
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Sorry to correct you, but the Droid Bionic will only have 512MB of RAM.
Besides, I was skeptical about the D3 having only 512mb of ram, until I threw everything I could at it and it just kept on hauling a$$. The memory management of android 2.3.4 combined with the D3 hardware is very good.
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i dont think bionic will have webtop~ 'cause the ad on bestbuy only mentioned mirror mode
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Screenshots of the about phone screen show a webtop version.
droid-life.com/2011/06/06/more-droid-bionic-pictures-surface-4-5-qhd-screen-new-3d-blur-and-android-2-3-4/
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It's not their flagship phone, Droid Bionic will be which will have 1gb ram.
512mb is enough anyway like someone else said.
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bionic will have 512mb for phone.... it's a larger screen, no keyboard, and webtop support.... other than that, same damn phone.
(another 512mb for webtop, not accessible by the phone)
it's HYPE.
i'd take 384mb of DDR3 over 1gb ddr, or 512 ddr2
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Sorry to correct you, but the Droid Bionic will only have 512MB of RAM.
Besides, I was skeptical about the D3 having only 512mb of ram, until I threw everything I could at it and it just kept on hauling a$$. The memory management of android 2.3.4 combined with the D3 hardware is very good.
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When it comes out you'll be proven wrong. It will have 1gb ram.
I agree on the D3, since I have tried everything to choke it. Heavy Flash sites, hi-def video, multi-tasking, 150 apps installed, N64 and PSX games, etc. Nothing (so far) has tripped the D3 up. My DX2 was a blithering mess after an hours use and MP3 audio pops happened regardless of multi-tasking or not.
Game emulators including the Quake games are far better with the keyboard, which appears to be the best ever made for a phone (FWIW, since a phone). N64 and PSX game performance is faster than the A500, gTablet, DX2, and Thrive. All Tegra 2, but different OS versions.
1GB of ram certainly would not hurt, but I am not seeing anything so far that had an issue. No lag is what seem the oddest.
It is like the DX2 and D3 were firmware developed by two different companies. People that ignoring the D3 due to 512 ram alone, are missing out.
Do you feel that the 512 mb ram is insufficient?? usually my phone get ard 130+ mb ram free. I Do personally feel regret getting o2x instead of atrix. Do anyone of you feel the same??
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Do you feel that the 512 mb ram is insufficient?? usually my phone get ard 130+ mb ram free. I Do personally feel regret getting o2x instead of atrix. Do anyone of you feel the same??
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Nope no regrets. Doesn't matter 130+mb, phone still works like a charm.
Nope, the RAM is fine IMO.
Sure as hell don't wish I bought an Atrix, PenTile displays are not for winners.
mine is @ 100-130 pretty much all the time, runs fine here
stock 2.2.2
I'm rooted and modified.
Around 160/180 free.
I not quite sure about my thinking, because every time i tried to play flash using the browser, after loading something i get FC, and is it due to insufficient of ram? I tried the same Flash on SGS II, i works perfectly.
tankwokhwee said:
I not quite sure about my thinking, because every time i tried to play flash using the browser, after loading something i get FC, and is it due to insufficient of ram? I tried the same Flash on SGS II, i works perfectly.
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No issues here. What rom you on?
Stock v10d
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Free RAM is useless. Better app and memory management, well, that's another thing.
Android generally has a problem with auto-starting apps, IMHO. I go mad when I see an app running, while knowing that I didn't start it, don't need it today or any day soon. But it's there, just consuming phone's resources and annoying me. Damn.
Then I kill few of them, even though I read somewhere it's contra productive. That may be true in some ways, only it is not confirmed by subjective feeling which tells me the opposite. Phone gets faster
tankwokhwee said:
Do you feel that the 512 mb ram is insufficient?? usually my phone get ard 130+ mb ram free. I Do personally feel regret getting o2x instead of atrix. Do anyone of you feel the same??
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i feel it this way 2 - just watch this and u will understand why http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QSM27Mvn5Fo and think that is just a prototype same hardware but 1gb of ram
I think that it is insufficient for me sometimes, well maybe thats because some of those useless apps/services are running, we can disable/freeze it by 3rd party app tho.
But overall, the memory is good and enough for me
Every phone I buy always has less than the advertised storage space, I understand some will be taken by the rom and apps.
What I wanna know is what the heck is eating almost 8 gigs? That's a retarded high amount.
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the phone OS i believe, i could be wrong though.
what about the 2gb of ram?
theres always about 600-700mb free. wtf?
then when you free it up with a task killer, theres only about 1gb of free ram.
Rippley05 said:
Every phone I buy always has less than the advertised storage space, I understand some will be taken by the rom and apps.
What I wanna know is what the heck is eating almost 8 gigs? That's a retarded high amount.
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It seems to be system reserved storage. The size gets larger as you go up in storage size. Considering the benchmarks on the I/O being chart toppers, it's possible that it is being reserved as a performance booster of some sort.
TorxT3D said:
what about the 2gb of ram?
theres always about 600-700mb free. wtf?
then when you free it up with a task killer, theres only about 1gb of free ram.
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You have to factor in reserved RAM (my S3 has 2GB but only 1630MB is available to apps. Part of that is dedicated to the graphics chip and the rest is system reserved.
That said, you will not have RAM issues with 6-700MB free. I run a ton of apps at the same time on mine and with the exception of some huge games, I rarely have run out of RAM and had a background app killed by the OS.
512MB phones only had like 384MB available total because of the other 128 going to the GPU.
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EtherealRemnant said:
It seems to be system reserved storage. The size gets larger as you go up in storage size. Considering the benchmarks on the I/O being chart toppers, it's possible that it is being reserved as a performance booster of some sort.
You have to factor in reserved RAM (my S3 has 2GB but only 1630MB is available to apps. Part of that is dedicated to the graphics chip and the rest is system reserved.
That said, you will not have RAM issues with 6-700MB free. I run a ton of apps at the same time on mine and with the exception of some huge games, I rarely have run out of RAM and had a background app killed by the OS.
512MB phones only had like 384MB available total because of the other 128 going to the GPU.
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My browser is constantly killed regardless to what app I use in between...and this isn't only on one handset
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I think he meant storage....not memory like ram.
david279 said:
I think he meant storage....not memory like ram.
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Yea my bad.
It's a 32 Gb phone, and you can see by the pic that almost 8 gigs is being eaten up by "other". That's about what the LTE came with. That's just an insane number. They shouldn't be able to advertise a 32 gig phone when all you're really getting is 24-25 gigs.
Rippley05 said:
Every phone I buy always has less than the advertised storage space, I understand some will be taken by the rom and apps.
What I wanna know is what the heck is eating almost 8 gigs? That's a retarded high amount.
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For one thing, it's measured differently. When ANY manufacturer of Memory based ANYTHING (except RAM for some reason.) says "this-many-gigs" they are actually measuring the bytes. So, they really mean 32,000,000 bytes. When converted to Gb this is only 29.8 GB.
False advertising? Kind of. But seriously every storage manufacturer does this so it's common practice at this point.
So then we see that the OS and all the other stuff is taking up around 7GB. That still seems ridiculous given a Windows 7 install can take up as little as 8GB.
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For one thing, it's measured differently. When ANY manufacturer of Memory based ANYTHING (except RAM for some reason.) says "this-many-gigs" they are actually measuring the bytes. So, they really mean 32,000,000 bytes. When converted to Gb this is only 29.8 GB.
False advertising? Kind of. But seriously every storage manufacturer does this so it's common practice at this point.
So then we see that the OS and all the other stuff is taking up around 7GB. That still seems ridiculous given a Windows 7 install can take up as little as 8GB.
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Yea I know it's alway gonna have some side twisted story..I do understand that.
8gb is just flat retarded and I'm surprised nobody is making a big deal of it.
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You think our phones are bad check out the amount of usable storage on the s4.
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