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Building a PC and will it blow the PSU up?

Right i need a new pc (my 4 year old laptop just doesnt do the trick anymore) thats the point and nothing on the market does what i want so i thought yeh great i'll build myself one but i still am a little unsure if what i want will be tolerated by the small PSU's that are avalible to me.
First off this is a mini-ITX system
Motherboard => ZOTAC GeForce 9300-ITX WiFi
RAM => 4GB DDR2 800MHz
Processor => Intel Core 2 Duo @ 3GHz (Would love a 2.33Ghz quad core but will never happen, I know that much).
Hard Drive => 320/500 GB 2.5" Drive 7200RPM
Optical Drive => Slot Loading SlimLine Drive
Thats all of the components and its a 120W PSU.
Hope that someone knows more about this than me and can help me find a good solution to the problem.
Thanks for the help! and any more info i will provide if it is needed!

Im not a pro at PSUs but I think that psu will do the trick!!! if thats a mini ITX system as you say then it eats less W than normal systems so the PC will run with that PSU but I think that the PSU will be at its limits!!! Id reccomend atleast a 200W psu!!!
Oh and if you have a 200W sytem and a 800W psu,, then dont worry PSU will only use 200W not all 800 (an example)

forgot to add why it was 120W most cases have that psu as standard so really quite hard to have a bigger one you see.

chris10230 said:
forgot to add why it was 120W most cases have that psu as standard so really quite hard to have a bigger one you see.
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As I said im not a pro at PSUs but I can say that your system will run with that PSU I just dont know will it be 100% stable-- but dont worry about that if it starts and runs then youre good to go!!

Yeh cheers for the help i was thinking it should be ok as they all sell with that so i cant see why it wouldnt work...
Also i need to stop skim reading what people write maybe that would help alot!

120W?
Erm.. 120W? I have mu doubts it will power up and even if it does i guarantee you wont be able to burn any CDs/DVDs.
I think you should be looking at a 400W-600W power supply. More power=stability. I think you can find an OCZ power supply at 750W(in case you go extreme with the GPU) for just around £50 otherwise drop to a cheap 600W for like £30.
As a good example I used to run a 750W power supply for my quad core, 8GB DDR2 800MHz, 2x 500GB HDDs, a DVDRW and an ATi 4870. As soon as i bought an audio card which required additional power, the system went funny and no I couldnt burn DVDs either. Now I run a 1350W power supply and I expect green peace to ring my bell any time now

I dont have much knowledge on Mini-ITX systems, but I know they are only a bit smaller than Micro-ATX systems and so power comsumption should be fairly similar.
For a high performance system, like the one you have given the specifications for, I would definately say 120W is too small. An ATX system of mine wouldn't boot up a single core AMD x64 processor and 6600GT graphics card with 300W. Ca5c4d3 has recommended, in my opinion, a good wattage PSU so I would follow his advice.
Even if your 120W PSU happens to work, you will definately notice some errors, such as blue screens, crashing HDDs, and underperforming processors (and possibly pagefile errors as the voltage rails on the PSU will be fluctuating as it will be indefinately be working at full capacity, causing components to fail - but more noticeably the RAM)
On the subject of voltage rails, make sure you get a decent PSU and *DO NOT* settle for cheap brands. I would say Corsair are the best brand for PSUs. A cheap PSUs are crap and cannot deliver the correct voltage to components, and don't even provide the power they say they work at. For example, a crappy PSU that says it can do 500W can only probably do 300W - 400W. Good manufacturers will advertise their PSUs with the wattage that is useful; excluding the wattage that is lost (e.g. in the form of sound and heat energy). Bad PSU manufacturers include both useful and unuseful wattage into their calculations to make it seem like the PSU is powerful.
A good website for PSUs would be eBuyer; www.ebuyer.com
I get my PC parts from there.

Ca5c4d3 & prank1 :
he doesnt need 300w psu or even a 600w --- GPU is the one that eats the most Power but he has one built in his MotherBoard, so it will eat less power--- Laptops are using 90W (biggest one Ive seen) so his 120W PSU will do!!!!
Im personally running my PC on a 480W PSU -- Asus Striker, 2GB ram, Nvidia GF 8800GTS 640mb(NVidia reccomends a 450W psu for it- only the gpu :d), one seagate 400gb HDD, one DVD burner, Zalman 9700Led CPU Cooler, 3 Fans---> and that all sits on a 480W psu but my MB burned down so now Im getting an Asus Striker II

Thanks for everything esp Kristaps-K9-Lv as i really have no clue about psu's and yeh i was thinking about the 400-600W psu's as all of the calcultors to help do not take the small low power gpu into account and say you need couple of hundred watts to make it work. So fingers crossed!
As said before i will buy the 120 if it doesnt boot/have problems with hd spinning down or any issues ill buy the bigger psu and shoehorn it into the tiny case!
When i finally buy it i will let you guys know what happened and if i had issues with trying to get it run...
P.S. Anyone else feel free to add their opinion to it, always up for more advice from anyone

120W? you're having a bloody laugh.
don't even bother trying, you can buy a computer case for 20 quid odd these days with a 400W PSU included, 120W will not turn out well, don't try.

Yeh you may be able to but i would prefer a mini-itx case but the largest ones with psu's are 120W so that is where the problem started but in some ways it looks like im gonna have to look for psu-less cases and then buy a separate psu, argh more research todo!
Also i dont want a huge case with the tiny motherboard and load and loads of empty space i will never use.

chris10230 said:
Right i need a new pc (my 4 year old laptop just doesnt do the trick anymore) thats the point and nothing on the market does what i want so i thought yeh great i'll build myself one but i still am a little unsure if what i want will be tolerated by the small PSU's that are avalible to me.
First off this is a mini-ITX system
Motherboard => ZOTAC GeForce 9300-ITX WiFi
RAM => 4GB DDR2 800MHz
Processor => Intel Core 2 Duo @ 3GHz (Would love a 2.33Ghz quad core but will never happen, I know that much).
Hard Drive => 320/500 GB 2.5" Drive 7200RPM
Optical Drive => Slot Loading SlimLine Drive
Thats all of the components and its a 120W PSU.
Hope that someone knows more about this than me and can help me find a good solution to the problem.
Thanks for the help! and any more info i will provide if it is needed!
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A 120wat will not power that system, it wit prob blow psu up when you switch on or a few hours or days later m8, you need at least a good qual 400watt psu or higher. Buy a decent qual psu or it will bite you in the bum oneday. I have a corsair 620watt in my pc, I wouldnt go any lower then this psu for your setup , even this is pushing it a tad....... http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/300W-FSP-aPFC-MicroATX-PSU-SFX-12v-v301-FSP300-60GLS

Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Ca5c4d3 & prank1 :
he doesnt need 300w psu or even a 600w --- GPU is the one that eats the most Power but he has one built in his MotherBoard, so it will eat less power--- Laptops are using 90W (biggest one Ive seen) so his 120W PSU will do!!!!
Im personally running my PC on a 480W PSU -- Asus Striker, 2GB ram, Nvidia GF 8800GTS 640mb(NVidia reccomends a 450W psu for it- only the gpu :d), one seagate 400gb HDD, one DVD burner, Zalman 9700Led CPU Cooler, 3 Fans---> and that all sits on a 480W psu but my MB burned down so now Im getting an Asus Striker II
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laptop and desktop pcs are 2 diff things powerwise.

Yeah 120W is gonna suck. With the RAM, CPU, HDDs, and all other stuff, you will run out of power. Don't forget fans, optical drives, any lighting (LEDs, optional), the GPU, PCI cards, ect. need power too. 120W on a single rail might be unstable, and might not even be 120W as most supplied PSUs are cheap, well, IMO junk.
The funny thing is, most inexperienced people who build PCs will go to the extreme with all the good stuff, and then forget the PSU using the one supplied with the case and wonder why their new $1000+ new hand built PC crashed and in some cases really burned.
Good luck on your new PC!

ok 1 cant be arsed for lights etc as i dont need it to light my room up, surprisingly i have a light for that. and yeh it seems that opinion will tend towards not working but this is a laptop GPU, Drive and HD. The only parts that are in the desktop class are the CPU and motherboard. Given the CPU will have the biggest draw (next to GPU) but still in essence it is low power or have i got the wrong end of the stick here?
also i found cases with 150W PSU but i doubt that its enough of a power boost to be safe still...

CPU - 30W
MB - 60-70W (with gpu)
everything else will work on the left wattage (20W)
Oh and for people who are using 600w psu's check my post (#8 at this thread) as you see I am running all that stuff on a 480W psu & gpu is eating the most of it- Nvidia 8 series are very power hungry & theyre actually a bit better than 9 series, but 9 series have more features!!

I stick by my last post, I honestly think 120W is no where near enough wattage.
The reason for the difference in opinion with some people is because this is a Mini-ITX system, which is different to standard ATX systems, so power consumption is going to be different. We are not that sure exactly how much less wattage this is going to take, but most of us agree is wont be as low as 120W in total.
I advise you look at the technical specifications of each component and look at their wattage. Then add on 50-100w to your total, and buy a PSU within that range, if you can find one. That is probably better than estimating.

Right i believe everyone who says that a 120W PSU is too small now i have found some more specs and even with a smaller CPU it doesnt make a difference.
Looks like i will need to find a differnt/larger case for it to be able to get it to run properly
o yeh heres the evidence if your interested http://www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/review/2009/04/23/Zotac-GeForce-9300-ITX-WiFi/p4

Yeah the lighting thing isn't for all.
Best bet is to email the mobo manufacturer with your specs, and ask them what they recommend.
Are you using the E8400 CPU? If so thats max 65 watts, half of your PSU. If the mobo does draw 60W (I didn't find power draw on their site), figure 25-40W for RAM, drives, USB, ect.
Also you what cases are you looking at, Mini-ITX or M-ATX? There are many Mini-Atx cases that fit M-ITX mobos and a 400W PSU can be had for $20.

Sorry site is messing up for me

Safe CPU temperature

Hi guys,
What is safe Tegra 3 temperature? I tried SetCPU stability test for 20 minutes at 1.6GHz and System Tuner Pro showed 72C. I'm correct, 80C is bad? I also suppose SetCPU stability test is more aggressive, than games or any other apps.

I user to run v10a firmware which often ran to 80° with no ill effects. I would be concerned if it rose any higher. The phone is built to shut down at 90° so I wouldn't worry too much, it can handle the heat
Sent from my smart frying pan (Tegra 3)

i had my device shut down twice while running werewolf with no skin throttle. i put the shutdown temp at 80 degs celsius. this happened after an hour of gaming. so yeah, it could probably run even more. i think default nvidia's shutdown temp is 120(!) degs celsius. not sure where i read it though.

I have throttle set to 75 and shutdown to 85. This is more than enough for me.

I wouldn't let my device go anywhere higher than 80C... It might be able to handle more than 80, but I'm not willing to risk it

Winudert said:
Hi guys,
What is safe Tegra 3 temperature? I tried SetCPU stability test for 20 minutes at 1.6GHz and System Tuner Pro showed 72C. I'm correct, 80C is bad? I also suppose SetCPU stability test is more aggressive, than games or any other apps.
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I saw it from a kernel's changelog (don't remember the kernel's name), it said in the changelog "Tegra 3 default safe temperature : 85 C"
but I wouldn't recommend going above 80 C, it would reduce lifespan of your phone, not even mentioning the battery.Since battery is pretty close to tegra 3 chip, it gets effected by the heat chip generates

The main problem with high temperatures is not the chipset-temperature but the battery shouldn't get too hot. Li-batteries will be destroyed on high temperature. It's around 50 °C.
Did you hear about bloated or exploded phone batteries? This were cases of high temperatures.

blumenkasten said:
The main problem with high temperatures is not the chipset-temperature but the battery shouldn't get too hot. Li-batteries will be destroyed on high temperature. It's around 50 °C.
Did you hear about bloated or exploded phone batteries? This were cases of high temperatures.
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Strange thing. Hot in the SoC area (top), not at all where battery is.

Winudert said:
Strange thing. Hot in the SoC area (top), not at all where battery is.
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Because it is actually the SoC what gets hot. Look at temperatures in Trickster mod (or any similar app).

Better be careful, be careful burned out CPU

Mr.Fong said:
Better be careful, be careful burned out CPU
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It's just one thing - Tegra 3 chip is awful. I watched a lot of review of Optimus 4X HD, but not in one was talked about awesome hot, sadly. Though Tegra 5 are looking very nice now with Kepler GPU, but I'm furious on nVidia and when I will buy phone next year, it not will be powered by nVidia chip. I'm crossing fingers on next gen Intel Atom SoC.

Galaxy S5 has the snapdragon 801 processor (same as Z2)

Almost all the websites are saying that galaxy S5 has the older snapdragon 800 processor and they are thinking that Xperia Z2 has superior processor but now it is confirmed that S5 has in fact better SOC than Z2
http://blog.gsmarena.com/mystery-so...801-and-is-it-powering-the-samsung-galaxy-s5/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7768/galaxy-s5-initial-thoughts

I wouldn't say it's better, it's clocked a little higher. Those speeds could easily be reached overclocking just a tid bit.

In z2 is AB version and s5 is AC ver. AC > AB
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hiepgia said:
In z2 is AB version and s5 is AC ver. AC > AB
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GPU is clocked at 550mhz ,CPU is clocked at 2.36 Ghz in the AB
and 578mhz,2.46Ghz for the AC
Memory bandwith is same however.
And from what we know S5 uses AC and Z2 uses AB.

Same cores, just higher binned.

Moto G 2nd Gen support the quick charging?

I understand that it has the correct chipset inside the phone but does anyone know if this phone is supported by the quick charging? I sold my wife on the technology but now I have no idea if it will actually work?

I don't think it supports the new Qualcom Quick Charge standard, that said, just get a 2 Amp charger and it will charge very fast. Charging from a USB 2 port or a 500 mA charger and it will take forever. I use a Samsung tablet charger and get <1.5 hours to full charge.

Qualcom 801 & above support Quick Charge, G only has a 400

techguyone said:
Qualcom 801 & above support Quick Charge, G only has a 400
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Quick Charge 2.0 is available in many devices powered by the latest Snapdragon 800 series, 600 series and 400 series processors.
The following chargers also offers Quick Charging
Dongguan Aohai Power Technology A58-502000
Incipio Single Port USB Car Charger (PW-203)
KDDI AU AC Adapter 05
Motorola Turbo Charger
NTT DOCOMO AC Adapter 05
Power Partners AC Adapter (PEAW30-12-USB)
Powermod Car Charger (VPAUSB-QC20PMD)
Powermod Wall Charger (TCUSB-QC20PMD)
Puregear Car Charger (05821PG)
Puregear Wall Charger
Ventev dashport q1200 (541234)
Ventev wallport q1200
Verus Peripheral (KSC15B1200150D5)
Xiaomi MDY-3-EB
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Filter the result with Quick Charge Special feature to see motorola devices with Quick Charge support
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/devices/all?manufacturer=Motorola
So, Qualcomm Says Moto G doesn't support Quick Charge
But Motorola Turbo Charges page says it supports latest Motorola Phones
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessor...Turbo-Charger/motorola-turbo-charger-pdp.html

So, did anyone figure out if Moto G(2014) supports quick charge or not?

It doesn't.
pleomaxell said:
So, did anyone figure out if Moto G(2014) supports quick charge or not?
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According to Qualcomm, it doesn't. Here's the full list of supported devices (all Snapdragon 800): https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/devices/all

I use an iPad 2 charger, which is 2amps with the provided USB cable. It charges in under 1 hour to full.

Moemen Shahawy said:
I use an iPad 2 charger, which is 2amps with the provided USB cable. It charges in under 1 hour to full.
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I'm sure it does......from 50% to 100% maybe.

pleomaxell said:
So, did anyone figure out if Moto G(2014) supports quick charge or not?
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no, only the new moto x has it

Have a look at these: http://www.motorola.com/us/accessor...Turbo-Charger/motorola-turbo-charger-pdp.html
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessories-batteries-chargers/Duo-Rapid-Charger/duo-rapid-charger.html
Not sure if they're compatible with the Moto g 2014. You can call Motorola and ask.

ml3000 said:
I understand that it has the correct chipset inside the phone but does anyone know if this phone is supported by the quick charging? I sold my wife on the technology but now I have no idea if it will actually work?
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I made a conversation with Motorola staff, he has confirmed about the quick charge 2.0, moto g support it:
[07:20:32 AM] Hi, my name is Wilson. How may I help you?
[07:20:43 AM] Wilson: Good Morning!
[07:21:17 AM] khoa: hi, i just want to ask about the quick charge 2.0 tech
[07:21:34 AM] khoa: does the moto g 2013 support that?
[07:22:36 AM] Wilson: Absolutely! This device is compatible with any USB port on the Moto G versions.
[07:24:35 AM] Wilson: Hi I noticed you have been away from the chat session for more than 2 minutes. I’ll stay here until the next minute so I can continue to help you with your concern.
[07:25:22 AM] khoa: but on the internet they say that moto g doesn't support quick charge 2.0
[07:26:10 AM] khoa: qualcomm also doesn't list moto g in those devices that support quick charge 2.0
[07:28:11 AM] Wilson: I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Actually this device will support All of the Moto versions since last year. You will be able to use this charger in the Moto G.
[07:28:54 AM] khoa: ok, thank you

I think what we need is a quick charger 2.0

mahendru1992 said:
I think what we need is a quick charger 2.0
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and someone to test and verify it first

matwaking said:
and someone to test and verify it first
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Right you're sir. Hope someone does that.

This means that the charger will charge the phone, not that it will charge it quickly.

ktulu84 said:
This means that the charger will charge the phone, not that it will charge it quickly.
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AFAIK, even if a phone is quick charge capable, you need a charger that's capable of charging that fast.
Now as per the thread here, quick charge is compatible with this moto g, hence the need for quick charger 2.0
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ktulu84 said:
This means that the charger will charge the phone, not that it will charge it quickly.
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yes it will charge the phone,a usb does that also, and we too want to charge it ,but hammering heads to find out the speed.
But it is quite logical that results will not be that great as if they were so ,then in moto g feature list we would have seen quick charge.
even we all want to try as if charging time gets a hour short then it may worth it

matwaking said:
yes it will charge the phone,a usb does that also, and we too want to charge it ,but hammering heads to find out the speed.
But it is quite logical that results will not be that great as if they were so ,then in moto g feature list we would have seen quick charge.
even we all want to try as if charging time gets a hour short then it may worth it
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is exactly what i said -.- btw i googled a bit and found this:
snapdragon 805: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/805
Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 2.0 technology
SMB1356/7/8/9
Integrated HW
Voltage In = 9V, up to 3A out
snapdragon 801: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/801
Quick Charge 2.0
PM8941
Chipset SW
Voltage In = 9V, 2.5A out
snapdragon 400: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/400
Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 2.0 technology
PM8x26
Chipset SW
Voltage In = 9V, 1.5A out
i think that this means that moto g has the capability, just like the moto x 2014 (snapdragon 801 and officially advertised by motorola), but seems it may not be as fast as snapdragon 801 or 805.

Does anyone has a "Quick charger"? so we can know if the Moto G 2014 has o has not this feature.

ktulu84 said:
is exactly what i said -.- btw i googled a bit and found this:
snapdragon 805: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/805
Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 2.0 technology
SMB1356/7/8/9
Integrated HW
Voltage In = 9V, up to 3A out
snapdragon 801: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/801
Quick Charge 2.0
PM8941
Chipset SW
Voltage In = 9V, 2.5A out
snapdragon 400: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/400
Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 2.0 technology
PM8x26
Chipset SW
Voltage In = 9V, 1.5A out
i think that this means that moto g has the capability, just like the moto x 2014 (snapdragon 801 and officially advertised by motorola), but seems it may not be as fast as snapdragon 801 or 805.
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So as your facts say, moto g will take approx 2x time to full charge as of moto x 2014 ,bt g has 2070 mAh battery that is less than x's,
In a stroke we may be benefited from quick charge 2.0 too but with underachievements of Moto X capabilities

What are your temps on your device?

Hi,
so very recently I got the Samsung S10e. Unfortunately as I am european it is the Exynos variation (rip me). I actually wouldn't mind the less performance but I immediately noticed that my device gets notably warm/hot with low load. For example upon first boot the device updated a few apps and it already got warm. I installed AnTuTu Benchmark to see what the temps are at. After a samsung patch (around 780 MB) it got to 38 degrees celsius for battery and 63 degrees on CPU.
I also run the 15min stress test from AnTuTu and the temps went up to 39 degrees for the battery and 69 degrees for the cpu. For example my old phone (snapdragon 835) was at 40 degrees on battery and almost stable 38ish degrees for cpu.
Could you run the AnTuTu stress test as well? I would really like to know how other exynos and snapdragon models are performing temperature wise. Thank your for helping.

My snapdragon runs between 29C to 37C when running. 37C is when plugged in to charger. It runs warmer than my note9 did.
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