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So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant for the Bionic in store and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
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So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
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That's because they're the same graphics chip.
I'm guessing the OMAP can hit 1.5 or higher, similar to the Tegra. The old OMAP3430s in the OG Droid were stable at 1-1.1GHz, so I'd say a 4-500GHz overclock is easily achievable, but no one has tested it yet on the new OMAP4s, so who knows for now.
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That's because they're the same graphics chip.
I'm guessing the OMAP can hit 1.5 or higher, similar to the Tegra. The old OMAP3430s in the OG Droid were stable at 1-1.1GHz, so I'd say a 4-500GHz overclock is easily achievable, but no one has tested it yet on the new OMAP4s, so who knows for now.
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I think the OMAP just killed it for me....I want a better graphics processor....I may upgrade to DX2 now and the rumored Droid Prime (Nexus) later.
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I think the OMAP just killed it for me....I want a better graphics processor....I may upgrade to DX2 now and the rumored Droid Prime (Nexus) later.
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That is ironic - part of the reason they went with OMAP instead of tegra was due to performance (do a quick google search for some tegra bionic vs. omap bionic bench marks)
*All-Around* the OMAP4430 is a better chip than the Tegra 2. The GeForce in the Tegra doesn't perform as well in real-world scenarios compared to an SGX540 on an OMAP4. You'll still get higher real-world performance on an OMAP4430 compared to both the Hummingbird in the GSI and the Tegra 2.
Its a shame they are not using gpus similar in power to those in the galaxy s 2.
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So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant for the Bionic in store and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
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Remember the Bionic is pushing quite a few more pixels in the benchmark than the Galaxy. 960x540 vs 800x480
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shadowclock said:
So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant for the Bionic in store and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
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The Galaxy S's SGX540 is clocked at 200mhz. In the OMAP4, it is clocked at 304mhz. In theory, even though it has to push more pixels, it will outperform it. And if you run a real GPU benchmark, like An3Dbench XL, the OMAP4 performs far better than the Tegra 2. The planets test in Quadrant glitch because of Moto's drivers-the Tegra 2 in the DX2 uses proprietary drivers from NVIDIA. And in terms of CPU performance, the OMAP4 performs considerably better. The OMAP4 has NEON instruction sets that the Tegra 2 lacks. And the Tegra 2 has trouble playing certain types of video files(it can't decode/encode h.264 videos or something), while the OMAP is able to.
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Remember the Bionic is pushing quite a few more pixels in the benchmark than the Galaxy. 960x540 vs 800x480
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It doesn't look like much of a difference, but QHD is 35% more pixels to keep up with. That's significant.
I want to buy a Galaxy S but... which is better? Galaxy S Plus has a few custom roms.. But its 1400 mhz.. hummingbird or scorpion? I'm a noob on these smartphones. some people say Galaxy S's processor is better than SGS+'s.. Which could I buy? Thanks.
I will recommend paying a few more and go for galaxy r .
Samsung Hummingbird is the best single-core chipset. ARM Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX540 = awesome combination.
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The sgs+ is better compared to hardware, (there is the + for) but in my opinion the sgs is a better choice cause there are more people with this phone.. more people = more devs = more custom roms
And if you can pay more.. sgs2 is a much better choice
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I agree with you. i9001 have a better hardware but have less devs working on them!
i9000 by far. Much more software, and in my opinion better machine.
BR
I'm running 1400 mhz on stock voltage of 1000 mhz. And -125 mv undervolted all of other frequencies.
Also I have a hummingbird + powervr 540 gpu
So I have Galaxy S+++
I9000 to the win
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i9000+ will provide better web experience from the start thanks to higher cpu frequency, but you can oc i9000 to get pretty much the same effect. You need to decide whether you want customize your phone or use as it is straight grom the box. In terms of graphics i9000 crushes the i9000+, because it's powered by powervr540 while i9000+ uses adreno205 which is older and slower. Also there's the community backup thing. i9000 is one of the most popular and supprted android phones and this will continue even though much more powerful devices are released. It's just so user friendly in so many ways you can't ignore it. My vote would be for i9000, but it all comes down to what do you want from your phone and what are you going to use it for. Either way you go, you'll ebd up with a great sammy phone.
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i9001 is a nice choice, but i9000 better because of community and official samsung support.
I'll recommend u to look at the LG Optimus Black - it has almost the same price/specs but it's a newer model, so u'll get a support for a longer time...
I was in same situation as you, I choosed i9000 and I don't regret it - you can OC the CPU and the PowerVR SGX540 is much better than Adreno 205 + more ROMs and mods, bigger community, more people with this phone. I get around 3500 score in Quadrant benchmark.
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Look guys i know all people owning the i9000 are very proud of the powervr sgx540 gpu it uses, but actually adreno 205 is better than sgx 540, samsung has recently updated the adreno 205 gpu drivers in the galaxy w which uses the same chipset as the i9001, those who have the i9001 can download these egl drivers from here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376462"
i have personally tested both the phones. the i9001 is in fact a good choice, the 1.4 ghz snapdragon cpu is the best single core processor i have seen, I don't want to hurt anyone here but all phones get old after sometime, the i9000 cant stay on the top always,and now we have the dual cores ready to woop our ares anytime
galaxy s i9000
for sure
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Definitely the I9000! The latest stock rom (JW1) is incredibly smooth!
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Look guys i know all people owning the i9000 are very proud of the powervr sgx540 gpu it uses, but actually adreno 205 is better than sgx 540, samsung has recently updated the adreno 205 gpu drivers in the galaxy w which uses the same chipset as the i9001, those who have the i9001 can download these egl drivers from here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376462"
i have personally tested both the phones. the i9001 is in fact a good choice, the 1.4 ghz snapdragon cpu is the best single core processor i have seen, I don't want to hurt anyone here but all phones get old after sometime, the i9000 cant stay on the top always,and now we have the dual cores ready to woop our ares anytime
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The Adreno 205 is not better, it's a piece of crap actually. 265m fillrate? that is the same as PowerVR MBX lite. PowerVR GPUs have much higher fillrate 1G fillrate which ensures gameloft games can be rendered with A.I. with lots of activities on screen. Adreno 205 renders OpenGL benchmark at very low choppy frame rates with disappearing polygons while PowerVR GSX 540 runs it smoothly without graphics glitches.
The 1.4GHz snapdragon processor is indeed better for multi-tasking, but what is the use of a faster processor with a combination of a ****ty GPU?
Not everybody is dependant on a gamer GPU. I personally don't play any games at all on my phone. So this depends on what you want your phone to deliver.
Go for Galaxy R
Go for Galaxy R, as samsung will be providing ICS for Galaxy R and Galaxy S2....
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Go for Galaxy R, as samsung will be providing ICS for Galaxy R and Galaxy S2....
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Isn't that only available for Roger's network in the USA and not worldwide?
you can't get the answer here... because most of the guys here have Galaxy S i9000, so they have to defend they're own device lol!!! and for all you guys here who doesn't know anything about "GPU's" i can give you a quiick info. here is a simple benchmark by two of the most respectable benchmarking groups anandtech and mobiletechworld.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-vs-sgx540-htc-desire-hd-vs-samsung-galaxy-s/
PowerVR SGX540 is a beast but Adreno 205 held its floor against it and wins by inches at the majority of categories. (slap on the face of the sgx540) users hahahahaha :silly:
hello guys..i heard that galaxy note and other samsung device are using an outdated GPU (Mali-400MP GPU)...so is it a little "fail" for our note to have an outdated GPU?plss give ur opinion.. thanks guys
..u can read the review about the GPU--> Here
It's so much faster than the sgx540 in the nexus it's ridiculous and since my choice was between those two I'm very happy with it.
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Check out the real world performances. Mali 400 outclasses Adreno 220 easily.
The weakpoint of Mali is geometry performance, but it does not matter much with mobiles until now as mobile games are not geometry heavy.
On the other hand, the OpenGL ES 2.x performance and real world performance of Mali is excellent.
With the clock speed of exynos in Note which actually gives much better real world performance with Mali 400 than even SGS2, it runs circles around Adreno 220 powered devices like sensation and even SGX540 powered devices.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
The above review is of SGS2. And mind you the performance of note is much better than SGS2. It is one of the most balanced GPUs on market with great gaming as well as multimedia performance (which actually matters more to someone like me.)
Funkym0nkey said:
Check out the real world performances. Mali 400 outclasses Adreno 220 easily.
The weakpoint of Mali is geometry performance, but it does not matter much with mobiles until now as mobile games are not geometry heavy.
On the other hand, the OpenGL ES 2.x performance and real world performance of Mali is excellent.
With the clock speed of exynos in Note which actually gives much better real world performance with Mali 400 than even SGS2, it runs circles around Adreno 220 powered devices like sensation and even SGX540 powered devices.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
The above review is of SGS2. And mind you the performance of note is much better than SGS2. It is one of the most balanced GPUs on market with great gaming as well as multimedia performance (which actually matters more to someone like me.)
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thanks for this info sir
although mali has been here for a very long time, it was well ahead of its time. and it still is i guess
anjath said:
although mali has been here for a very long time, it was well ahead of its time. and it still is i guess
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Yeah well Scott Adams is wayyyyyyy past his heyday (heck, even being relevant).... haven't read him since 2007 or so, when he started dabbling in intelligent design woo and sexist claptrap...
for being a heavy mobile gamer
i can assure you that the mali 400 on the note does very well with the latest games (asphalt7, dead trigger to name a few) despite having to compute for a much higher resolution display than other phones...
and with a little overclocking (tegrak app or gl notecore kernel) gpu performance can get sky high.
best phone i ever got :victory:
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hello guys..i heard that galaxy note and other samsung device are using an outdated GPU (Mali-400MP GPU)...so is it a little "fail" for our note to have an outdated GPU?plss give ur opinion.. thanks guys
..u can read the review about the GPU--> Here
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The note was released ten months ago but still its gpu is better than all the others except sgs3 and and maybe one x..
Btw do you even own a note?? Did you every notice any lag in any game??
Whiskeyjack4855 said:
The note was released ten months ago but still its gpu is better than all the others except sgs3 and and maybe one x..
Btw do you even own a note?? Did you every notice any lag in any game??
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The NOTE's and SGS3's GPU are the same.
However, the S3 is built on a smaller 32nm die-size, so it means it uses less space and less power for same performance. Samsung uses this advantage to clock the frequency much higher than the NOTE (which is built on a 45nm die).
Also, the S3 implements a new, updated driver for the gpu and squeezes more performance out. This was a same move Samsung made with the SGX540, which is also a very fast gpu. The original SGS was clocked real-low and had outdated drivers... after stealing the driver sources from the LG with OMAP 4440 SoC, the SGS (with 4.0.3) was performing in the same league as the 2011/2012 devices.
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The NOTE's and SGS3's GPU are the same.
However, the S3 is built on a smaller 32nm die-size, so it means it uses less space and less power for same performance. Samsung uses this advantage to clock the frequency much higher than the NOTE (which is built on a 45nm die).
Also, the S3 implements a new, updated driver for the gpu and squeezes more performance out. This was a same move Samsung made with the SGX540, which is also a very fast gpu. The original SGS was clocked real-low and had outdated drivers... after stealing the driver sources from the LG with OMAP 4440 SoC, the SGS (with 4.0.3) was performing in the same league as the 2011/2012 devices.
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I know that that both the note and sgs3 has same gpu.. But the one in sgs3 its more powerful cause you said it's overclocked and has better drivers..
Btw do you know why the mali in sgs3 gets so high benchmark scores even wih the 720p screen? I mean is it all due to oc and better drivers?
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I know that that both the note and sgs3 has same gpu.. But the one in sgs3 its more powerful cause you said it's overclocked and has better drivers..
Btw do you know why the mali in sgs3 gets so high benchmark scores even wih the 720p screen? I mean is it all due to oc and better drivers?
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Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
An easier way to understand is to look at the new RIM PlayBook.
It's got the same processor as the Gnex (Galaxy Nexus) however its much much faster, especially in browsing. It decimates it. It even decimates the ASUS Transformer Prime Infinity (O'C Tegra3 + ICS).... or the Nexus7 (U'C Tegra3 + JBean).
You are only as fast as your slowest component. In the case of Android, its the high-level (slow) implemented software.
= Getting a faster soc with more cores and more ram doesn't really increase performance that much.
Some serious thread necromancy going on here!
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Dave
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Kangal said:
Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
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By toe to toe with the one x do you mean benchmarks or real life perfomance..
Hey one thing more..aren't you a engadget reader?
Whiskeyjack4855 said:
By toe to toe with the one x do you mean benchmarks or real life perfomance..
Hey one thing more..aren't you a engadget reader?
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Both.
But I don't live by the benchmarks. I mean have you tried some of the HD Apps from TegraZone. On stock TouchWizz, the NOTE really struggles. With a custom setup, I don't get much/any problems.
Yeah, I do frequent engadget... also on heaps of other sites.
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Both.
But I don't live by the benchmarks. I mean have you tried some of the HD Apps from TegraZone. On stock TouchWizz, the NOTE really struggles. With a custom setup, I don't get much/any problems.
Yeah, I do frequent engadget... also on heaps of other sites.
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Would you be kind enough to educate me about your setup?
Kangal said:
Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
An easier way to understand is to look at the new RIM PlayBook.
It's got the same processor as the Gnex (Galaxy Nexus) however its much much faster, especially in browsing. It decimates it. It even decimates the ASUS Transformer Prime Infinity (O'C Tegra3 + ICS).... or the Nexus7 (U'C Tegra3 + JBean).
You are only as fast as your slowest component. In the case of Android, its the high-level (slow) implemented software.
= Getting a faster soc with more cores and more ram doesn't really increase performance that much.
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Exactly. Even though the Playbook has its many flaws (owned two both with screen/USB issues) it was a powerhouse. Multimedia was outstanding and web surfing was by far the fastest.
But the OS, QNX, is to thank for that. If the Playbook was running android it would be nothing out of the ordinary. As much as I love Android it really is not as efficiant as QNX
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Recently I had a doubt about if it's possible to unlock the 2 locked remaining cores in the Galaxy Note N7000? Because I realize that the Note only uses 2 of the 4 GPU cores... It's there a possibility to do this? How?
i think mali 400 is a good GPU because Note1 and Note2 using it. and really nice GPU for gaming
Does this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1582243 (i dont know much about phones but these drivers should work with mini 2?) and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167228 this works with galaxy mini 2 too?
Did someone test it? Is it possible to backport the official adreno 200 drivers? https://developer.qualcomm.com/mobi...phics-optimization-adreno/tools-and-resources (there are drivers for jb and ics but no gb )
Btw im only asking about these stuff because last time i tested my mini 2 with adreno profiler + some emulators, i got some major slowdown in 3D heavy scenes, but adreno profiler showed only ~50% gpu usage....
Thanks for answering
I heard, read and saw some things about the nvidia drivers for tegra 3 being sluggish.
Is it possible that our poor results "tegra3" facing exynos soc could be consequence of the nvidia drivers, since many games are optimized for qualcomm and only few for tegra3. So is it possible to mess with the gpu drivers and get a little extra juice out of it?
Compwxr said:
I heard, read and saw some things about the nvidia drivers for tegra 3 being sluggish.
Is it possible that our poor results "tegra3" facing exynos soc could be consequence of the nvidia drivers, since many games are optimized for qualcomm and only few for tegra3. So is it possible to mess with the gpu drivers and get a little extra juice out of it?
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If you compare (and i have it done...) the process power of the Tegra 3 vs Exynos, on, for example, ANTUTU, you will see that in PROCESS power we have more much potential, on the GPU side, our LG 4X HD has a freq cap on the GPU that make it runs max to 416Mhz, and that is to low, the HTC One X+ runs at 520Mhz and at that freq, Tegra 3 can reach the GPU power of the MALI 400 GPU, but in processing power, we have more...